That royally sucked

[MPlayle]

Started a fresh session (computer was shut down overnight) and it overall seems to be working.  I am experiencing the lag others have described.

[94touring]

Well I screwed around enough and apparently attachments work again.  Got buggy for a bit while I was updating files, so you may experience login issues.  Cleared up for me after a few attempts.  Things seems to be running quickly on my laptop and phone.   

Attachment test 2:

[BruceK]

We'll be happy to kick in some $$$ to defray expenses, either with a check, a gofundme or paypal, your choice.

There is still the "Donation" up at the top.
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Ah. Thanks for pointing that out.   Seems I follow the same paths and look at the same things and miss what is right in front of me sometimes.

[94touring]

Thanks Bruce, just sent you an email saying that the donation link must still be working!  77.gif


Still some weird posting glitches where my post will just vanish when I click reply.  I think this is INI file permissions updating...I hope.  May just be on my end making so many changes too.  I've had to clear my browsing history/cookies/cache/close my browser a number of times while going through all this

[MPlayle]

I also noticed the logo banner is missing from the very top of each page.

The attachment in "Test 2" just above in this thread showed up fine for me.

[94touring]

I also noticed the logo banner is missing from the very top of each page.

The attachment in "Test 2" just above in this thread showed up fine for me.

I removed the logo banner on purpose.

I was having login issues but after numerous logouts and logins, seems to be fine now. 

Dave thank you for the donation as well  4.gif

[test1234]

New member registration still works without issues. 

[BruceK]

New member registration still works without issues.

May I make a small suggestion?   The Lounge is one of the great features of RM and I know even viewing it is  reserved for actual users, not non-user lurkers. But perhaps It would be helpful to have some sort of a teaser or mention somewhere so that non-users can learn that the Lounge forum exists for members only and its well worth becoming a member in order to use it. 

In other words, stating the fact more of the site becomes available once a person becomes a member.

[94touring]

New member registration still works without issues.

May I make a small suggestion?   The Lounge is one of the great features of RM and I know even viewing it is  reserved for actual users, not non-user lurkers. But perhaps It would be helpful to have some sort of a teaser or mention somewhere so that non-users can learn that the Lounge forum exists for members only and its well worth becoming a member in order to use it. 

In other words, stating the fact more of the site becomes available once a person becomes a member.

I can put a blurb on the main page where it talks about registration.  If people even read that!

[MPlayle]

I think part of the Lounge may have become "public" again in the migration.  The "Recent Posts" column on the main page has been showing posts to this thread at least.

Edit:
At least I have seen some there before logging in recently.

[94touring]

Make sure you are going to "http:" and not "https:".

I mean sure, that's how I'm posting, but I used to use https. Also, even if I change my bookmark, it auto-redirects me to https.
Additionally, anytime I click on "Show unread posts since last visit", which is how I typically navigate the site, it gives me that page, so the URL within the site itself is redirecting to https.

@94touring how are migrating files? I've been using mysql exports on the command line of the host to create backups, which saves all the posts/members, but none of the site-specific settings.

I haven't been able to replicate getting auto directed to https.  Even when I install the software and set up the databases https is never included on any of the directories. 

[94touring]

I think part of the Lounge may have become "public" again in the migration.  The "Recent Posts" column on the main page has been showing posts to this thread at least.

Edit:
At least I have seen some there before logging in recently.

I fixed it about 2 minutes ago. 

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

We all run Win 7 - that Microsoft claims it is not supporting, we all had an upgrade on Thurs last week, 3 machines.  We run Softdesk 2004 Surveying software.

As someone who works in DevOps/SRE, this made me cry a little bit. Or a lot, actually.

[Jims5543]

We all run Win 7 - that Microsoft claims it is not supporting, we all had an upgrade on Thurs last week, 3 machines.  We run Softdesk 2004 Surveying software.

As someone who works in DevOps/SRE, this made me cry a little bit. Or a lot, actually.

Because Win 8/10 sucks so bad? Or because I refuse to switch over.

My biggest problem is compatibility.  If I switch to 10, then my Cadd software will no longer work. Right now I have 2 paid for seats.  They cost me a bundle back in the day, IIRC about 6K a seat.  the cool thing is I am using it on 4-5 machines right now. For my seat I have it on my work laptop and my home laptop. The other seat is being used by my field guy, he drafts a little every afternoon to help and my subcontract drafter who works from home on a piece by piece basis. In that instance right there I would need to have 4 seats even though we are really only using 2 seats.  I cannot work on two machines at the same time.

Softdesk no longer makes this specific module for my trade therefore if I want to go with a Win10 compatible Cadd software I have to change brands. Then all my 20 years of cadd files are no longer compatible and need to be converted to be used. Then there is the new software, we need to learn it, then there are no more, buy a seat and be done with it. You have to pay a monthly subscription, which is great in good times, sucks if the economy tanks and you need to work on a tight budget.  I think back to 2010 and cannot believe I kept my business open, I was weeks from closing it.

So yeah, part of it is I hate Win10 the bigger part is the options to upgrade just are not worth the trouble, new machines new software, then training on new software.

[John Gervais]

We all run Win 7 - that Microsoft claims it is not supporting, we all had an upgrade on Thurs last week, 3 machines.  We run Softdesk 2004 Surveying software.

As someone who works in DevOps/SRE, this made me cry a little bit. Or a lot, actually.

In my opinion, Windows 98 was the best - I HATE the Windows 10 hybridization.  What used to be complete 'surfaces' and 'menus' have become dumbed-down 'apps' and they're constantly trying to get me to 'share' or use a so-called 'cloud'. 

I've somehow managed to get my desktop to be the same as the old-fashioned desktop and managed to fix my Office package to the bottom bar.  Did I mention that I HATE Windows 10?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Because Win 7 is full of security flaws. Ones that anti-virus won't cover. I run Win 10, with Windows Defender (built in antivirus), and I can guarantee it's more secure than Win 7 with the most expensive A/V you can find out there.
Running old O/S because "It's too much cost/effort to upgrade the software" is the reason large corporations have to throw millions of dollars at last-second/hasty upgrade projects. It's never worth staying behind on the long term, and barely even in the short term.

If you really hate Win 10 that much, buy a mac.
Also, that many shortcuts on the desktop is a nightmare. Same with all the icons.
I like my environment to be clean. Anything I need, Windows Key -> Start typing the name of the app.
I want word?
Windows Key -> Word -> Enter
Excel?
Windows Key -> Excel -> Enter.
It's all about ease of access, and a clean desktop, so that my brain doesn't feel cluttered.

I'd also like to add, I don't miss the 2hr install times of Win98/98SE/XP. There's nothing more satisfying that sticking a USB into a computer, and booting into Win 10 within 20 minutes. Same with the <60sec boot up times.

I still have nightmares of installing Win95 from floppy disks. Approx 30 of them.

[Jims5543]

My computer at work is a 2011 Asus ROG - I upgraded to a SSD and that is my only change on a 9 year old machine.

It boots up in 15 seconds in the morning. 

At home I have a 2015 Asus ROG that came with a SSD it runs Win8, I tried to upgrade to Win10 and it crashed my machine so I had to roll back to Win8 and I fuckign hate Win 8 with a passion so every time I get on this machine with its "phone tiles" I curse at it. I have changed enough settings on it to make it behave somewhat like Win7. Every now and then it throws a tile at me and makes me want to punch the monitor.

So you may ask, how is he using a Win8 machine when he said his Softdesk is not compatible?  Well, I run it in compatibility mode, which sort of works. Every once in 100 hours of use Win8 crashes my Cadd and when is does, man, it is spectacular, so bad the cadd file is corrupted to the point of no recovery.  At home I am working locally, as I said the crashes happen very infrequently.

At work, when working across the network, crashes happen on a daily basis rending files so corrupt you have to delete them. My one desk top was on Win10, he let force fuck upgrade go through.  The next day a crash, the day after the same and more and more... to the point we rolled the machine back to Win7 and no more crashes.  I think that Win10 install destroyed about 10 cadd files and cost us about 100 hours of work.

Then my reception PC force fucked Win10 into it. That crashed our job tracking software and shut my company down for an entire day costing me mucho denero, I spent the weekend in the office on the phone with customer support for the job tracking software... I got so frustrated with them, I rolled back her machine too. I found some software that locked our machines down to Win7.  Installed on all of them.

We are firewalled and all the machines run paid VP.

I just looked on my desktop, I have 17 icons 6 are games, 5 are my work programs, 4 are VP and maintenance programs, a junk folder and trash bin.  I keep my desktop tidy too.

[John Gervais]

I'm giving Microsoft 'Edge' a try, since there are more and more websites that won't recognize good o'l 'Internet Explorer'.

My login isn't remembered/saved on either browser, which isn't much more than the minor inconvenience of needing to login each time I visit.

The new 'Edge' browser won't allow me to get on the home page -

[94touring]

Take out the https and use http

[John Gervais]

Ah - I didn't see it.

I merely clicked on the link that google provided.

[John Gervais]

Nope - when I type my username/password, the 'S' gets inserted automatically and I get the error.  Oh well...

Edit - I just reverted back to 'Internet Explorer' without any issues.  I guess that, just like our cars, newer technology isn't always better.

[94touring]

I need to setup an SSL to get that to work. 

I've never used edge.  I use chrome.

[MiniDave]

Edge works fine for me, but I do get a little banner on top that says "Not Secure"

[jeff10049]

All the windows bullshit I think is starting to push them out of the market for industry type of use.

I have several machines locked on 7 because they have to be 10 can not run the software and the developers refuse to make it. They have all switched to linx for the new versions as they are sick of stability issues with windows.

Like Jim I got forced fucked the 10 upgrade and it crashed/courupted things so bad it killed some hardware two stepper drive boards were done and a day and a half of my life.

The machine computers have been taken offline to prevent any updates.

For me to upgrade is like Jim I need to buy 4 different software licences and add users to those licenceses some are subscription based now, Id rather own it.

It would also require buying some computers and controllers.

RE the comment it's never worth staying behind in the long run I would have to respectfully disagree I need to get a certain R.O.I. out of a machine to make it worth while. Will I eventually upgrade of course but If can wear the machine out running as is and maximize the return and then just buy a whole package deal why not. The machine comes with over half the software and licences and controller and computer.

So if I upgrade all that now because current machine is still good  then it's a $20K waste when the machine wears out in another year or so. Or throw away a machine with life left in it and prematurely buy a new package. Nither one makes sense keeping the old software going is the only viable option if I want to maintain profitability.

Mac is not an option in my world software dose not exist and will not in the foreseeable future.
I have had a couple software guys explaine to me the Macs crunch numbers differently than a PC and that while they can do some things well.

Running cam software, g code, motion control, is best left to the PC. 
The other end of our business is also not Mac friendly software dose not exist for most RV systems programming or engine scanning or can bus learning programming of replacement components.

Although there seems to be some android and Chromebook options appearing for factory scan tools.

I am a fairly small business when the time comes to upgrade it needs to last at least 5 years for me. Once I upgrade one piece of the puzzle it snowballs into this won't talk to that, can no longer export the right file type, so on and ends up being a complete upgrade of the whole shop even other software for programming a tv dish on a motorhome will no longer run on 10 so shit. Ends up being a 50k adventure. I need that spread out over 5 years to be worth it. And that dose not include the 1,500 a month in subscription software for diagnostics we already have.
So in 5 years that puts us at about 140,000 in computer expenses.

Whats f'd up is if not for forced updates I could have easily ran the last 12 years 100% just fine not spending one cent on this stuff. Maybe a computer here or there when one dies.
And that's how it used to be you bought it you owned it used it until it broke.
instead during that time I have spent over a quarter million dollars and lost countless hours dealing with failed updates and shit. Imagine that a quarter million dollars in my bank instead sounds nice if I only could of stayed behind 12 years.

I guess its just part of modern business and I need to embrace it and make it work for me but I'm just old school when it comes to this stuff. I like new tech but when you have something and it's working why force a change GREED i guess.

Mac's are for photoshop near as I can tell they are worthless to the industrial working Man.



   

[John Gervais]

When I was 'forced' to 'upgrade' to Windows 10, I needed to install a new processor chip (I can't remember why) - which necessitated an new motherboard and some time with the local IT specialist to get the new Windows to function.  While I had the machine apart, I popped in as much RAM as it would take (I think it's 32GB), a new graphics card and an 850W power supply.  I'm hoping to use it 'as is' for a long time.