F1 - 2023

Started by MiniDave, December 04, 2022, 02:46:01 PM

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MiniDave

With the 2022 season in the books, I guess it's time to start a new thread for next year.

A few things are decided, the grid is mostly done now - all drivers in place and again we'll have a few new faces, a few familiar faces in new uniforms and a couple of old faces still hanging around, even if not on the grid.

New faces include Oscar Piastri and Logan Sargeant, along with super sub The Hulk at HAAS with his 'ol buddy KMag.

Binotto has left Ferrari with his replacement yet to be announced, but I'm told it will not be Vasseur but rather someone promoted from within.

Mercedes promises to be back with a vengeance, convinced they can win races, challenge for poles and maybe even the championship. Red Bull will come back strong as usual, building on their successful 2022 car and Ferrari says their new engine is "da bomb", according to Gunter Steiner of HAAS. If that's so, we may see some new faces on the podiums this season as both Alfa and HAAS will be using them too....

So, predictions?

I think the Mercs will be strong, Reds Bull will be fast, and Ferrari (if they can keep them running) will be challenging for pole all season.

I think Sainz is going to have a better year, LeClerc will get his shit together too. George will be even quicker than this year, and the HAAS boiz may surprise a few people in the midfield.

I think strategy will be even more important, and as this is Ferrari's perennial Achilles heel, I hope they get on top of it.

Tires are also supposed to be improved this season too.

What do ya'll think?
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I am hoping that the gaps between the top 3 teams will be closer, with Merc and Ferrari regularly challenging Red Bull for victories. Lower down the order, I would like to see the gaps from the top 3 to close up, with some teams having the opportunity to challenge for podiums

This season will be a season of reckoning for a number of drivers:
Leclerc - 2 thoughts here 1) Ferrari need to sort their strategy decision making out, if the errors continue I cannot see Leclerc staying long term with Ferrari. 2) Leclerc made some unforced errors this year, he needs to remove those if he is going to challenge for a championship.

Sainz - Needs to show he can challenge Leclerc and others on a regular basis, otherwise he will be seen as a good second driver not a championship contender.

Russell - Has to build on his 2022 with more victories and push to become the defacto team leader if/when Hamilton retires.

Hamilton - If he has another winless season then I think his time in F1 will be coming to an end. He has so many interests outside of F1, I wonder how longer he will stay if he is not winning.  I do not see him dragging out his career like Vettel and Alonso in uncompetitive cars.

Norris - needs to beat Piastri, and show whether the difficulties that Riccardio had were simply driving style or was he able to adapt to a difficult car like the true greats can do.

Gasly and Ocon - one of them needs to demonstrate that they can lead a team and drive it forwards.  I have never rated either of them as potential future F1 world champions, but I would like to see the partnership be successful.

Sargeant - He needs to show that he is not another pay to play driver (he comes from a billionaire family).  His junior formulae he has never won a championship, but was pretty successful karter.

Hulkenberg - I was a little disappointed that they brought the Hulk back, at 35 he is in the twilight of his F1 career.  He holds the record for the most F1 races without a podium (not a great record to have!).  There are many drivers in the junior categories that deserve a chance in F1. 

And this brings me on to my final point, is the junior formulae ladder broken for the FIA.  Only the 4th place driver in F2 secured an F1 drive from 2022, in 2021 it was the 3rd place (admittedly the champion will be on the grid in 2023).  The other "rookie" F1 driver is Nyck De Vries who is 27 years old and did win the F2 championship in 2019, but is far from a rookie as he was Formula E champion in 2020/21.

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I pretty much agree on all points, and I think this could be a pretty good year in F1, and maybe the last of the good years for a while if they're talking about making during race adjustments to the leading car to slow it down..... :embarrassed:

Then in 2026 it could be all new again with new players coming into the series.  :steeringwheel:

There is a Chinese billionaire who wants into the game, and Andretti says their entry is still happening, Audi is all in with the Sauber team and Porsche says they're not dead yet, just trying to see where their next play might be - I really thought the tie up with Red Bull was an interesting idea, now the talk is they might have an in with the Williams team, except that Dorilton Capital says it's not for sale, they're in for the long haul. Who knows?  :017:

The Chinese GP has been scrapped for 2023, and instead we'll see them in Portugal at Portimão, which I think is brilliant as it's a fantastically fun looking track!  :great:

Gonna be a long wait till Feb testing and the first race in March.
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So we are now in team principal silly season.

Ferrari's Binotto resigned, he is being replace by Alfa Romeo/Sauber boss Vasseur.
Alfa Romeo/Sauber has recruited Seidel from McLaren
Mclaren have promoted Andrea Stella from within to Team Principal.
Williams have let go both Team boss Capito and their Technical Director

What I find interesting about all of this, normally it takes months to transfer senior management between the teams but there appears to have been something happening really fast and in a co-ordinated manner.

MiniDave

It reminds me of how NFL coaches change teams.....someone has a bad season and they get fired only to turn up at another team the following season, and getting paid even more than the losing team paid them.

I didn't see Siedel moving to Alfa, that's a bit of a surprise. I wonder if Audi had any influence on his hiring?

It will be interesting to see who Williams hires. I still think either Andretti, Honda or Porsche are going to wind up buying a team, and Williams is the next logical choice.

Honda is maybe going to be building engines again - separate from Red Bull - and may even start their own team again - wouldn't THAT be interesting? Even better if Ford or Chevy decide to give it a go too....or Hyundai - I've been reading that they really want to move further onto the world stage, maybe by branding their Genesis label on something much like Infinity, Aston and others have done.

Actually I'm a bit surprised Audi is coming in at this late era in combustion engines, let alone any other legacy mfr, when we are clearly moving away from them worldwide - yes it's going to take a while, but look how fast things have been moving already.....
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Quote from: MiniDave on December 13, 2022, 09:43:48 AMI didn't see Siedel moving to Alfa, that's a bit of a surprise. I wonder if Audi had any influence on his hiring?

After I wrote that post, I saw a comment from Zac Brown, that Siedel had already told McLaren he would be leaving and going to Audi in 2025 so the negotiated for him to go sooner after Vasseur went to Ferrari.

MiniDave

Mercedes signed Mick as their reserve driver, so if something happens to either Lewis or George, he gets to drive the Merc and show what he can do in a "proper" car.

I say good for him.

I think he's angling for the Audi drive in 2026 if he doesn't get called up to Merc full time.
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MiniDave

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Mario says they're almost in the big show, funding is set, the shop is being built (in Indianapolis no less!). it will be run as Andretti Global out of a shop in England, and they have an engine supplier lined up...just waiting for F1 to give their blessing.

Let's see, Andretti Indycar uses Honda motors, and Honda says they're ready to get back into F1.....whadya think? Sure would be a lot easier on them if they could buy Alfa Tauri,  the Honda connection is already there at least.

I wonder if Renault will ever get another engine customer?
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MiniDave

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So, interesting things going on off-track in F1

Andretti announced they wanted to field an entry, F1 said no thanks

A few days ago F1 said sure, we'd like some new teams in F1, particularly an American team but we want it to be tied to a mfr like Audi

Andretti today says - How about Cadillac?

F1 replies.......hmmmmmm........ummmm.......well.......um.......
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Again I don't understand why manufacturers going to a full electric-only lineup of models (like Cadillac and Audi) want to sponsor internal combustion F1 instead of supporting Formula E?  Must just be the number of eyeballs involved, eh?  And it's still 5 years or so before they switch to all-electric?

Anyway, it would be great to have another American team.
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Brit_in_TX

And Cadillac have admitted that they would be rebadging an engine, at least initially.  GM road cars did a deal with Honda to share their EV platform, so could it be the Honda/Red Bull Powertrain?

MiniDave

I've read that the Red Bull powertrains will be branded "Ford"!!!

Like Bruce, I'm not sure I understand the logic of them getting into F1 now, but with the engines running on synthfuel, maybe that's the tie-in?
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MiniDave

Speaking at Autosport International, former Toyota F1 driver McNish explained: "[The] 2026 [entry] is because it is a new regulation change for the power unit and with that, there are a few key factors.

"One, that there is a big increase in the electrification, so there is a lot more electric power from the hybrid system. It's about three times what it is today and it's nearly equal with the internal combustion engine.

"The second is sustainable fuels.

"That is very road-relevant because, from an Audi point of view, as it has been with every single motorsport programme dating back to the rally and Quattro, whether it be TSI injection at Le Mans, they're developing technology in the most extreme circumstances that will have a road relevance."
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