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Title: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on May 12, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Hello all; I bought this Mini 1000 last month.  The previous two owners endured the pain and suffering of doing all the metal and paint.  The seller had too many projects and quickly reinstalled the original interior and 1000 drivetrain so he could market it as a runner.  He also installed all of the new goodies he purchased - new HS4, alternator, coil, wheels and flares. 

So the car is currently a weird combination of really nice next to really ratty.  I live in Santa Fe, NM which is beautiful, but hard on the horsepower since SF is at 7,000' elevation and my house is at 7,700'.   The guys at Minimania put me in touch w/ Joe Curto who sent me an AAP needle which, along with adjusting the mixture, has cured my extreme rich running.  I also tried to time the motor, but discovered that the really gross distributor probably has its original, and completely cratered, points.  I will install the new electronic ignition car this weekend.  Would an original Mini 1000 have had an external ballast?  If so, I am not seeing it.       

The projects;
I am replacing the seats now (see pic).  I am installing a set of Corbeau Classic II buckets.  One is in using the Corbeau base for the Mini (which still required some beating).  I am doing a hinge arrangement on the other for back seat access.  Also adding tach.

This winter I will re-do the suspension, install 8.4 discs, and add sway bars.  If there is money left, add dynamat, replace the brown carpet w/ gray, new back seat, door cards, etc. 

The next winter, I will replace the 998cc's of fury w/ a 1380A+ unit.  since I am dealing with altitude, my plan is to get one of the Eaton supercharger/intake manifold kits from the UK to cram as much air as I can into the engine.   I have read that it is probably advisable to change the final drive when going that route.

I am glad I found this site; I had posted my HS4 needle issue on the northamericanmotoring site, but this place seems to have a lot more classic Mini-specific traffic.  My Dad had two Mark Is when I was growing up.  He also raced a Moke in the PA Hillclimb Series in the 1970s - a scary looking Moke.  He is obviously extremely helpful, but gives me a hard time about owning "one of those new Minis from the 70s."

Pics; first, how it showed up in Santa Fe (it's the blue one).
<br />(http://thumb.ibb.co/bKxiva/IMG_0519.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bKxiva)<br /><br />(http://thumb.ibb.co/kxgXov/F5_BB8_E2_E_188_B_34_B5_07_B502_C82763_EDD6.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kxgXov)<br /><br />(http://thumb.ibb.co/ntCGFa/24020780_188_B_34_B5_07_D835_DF7_AFFE6_FF.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ntCGFa)<br /><br />(http://thumb.ibb.co/k6x58v/F5_BBFA48_188_B_34_B5_0722104_FD568_B9_D2.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k6x58v)<br /><br />(http://thumb.ibb.co/bzt1gF/IMG_0602.jpg) (http://ibb.co/bzt1gF)<br />       
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: 94touring on May 12, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
Welcome  4.gif. That blue is similar to Mexico blue.  Nice color choice.   Hs4 is a lot of carb for a 998 especially at altitude!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on May 12, 2016, 03:10:16 PM
Welcome, I was one of the people on NAM who replied to you, nice looking Mini!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: jedduh01 on May 13, 2016, 07:41:50 AM
Nice little buggy - !  as you said the Tough Stuff is DONE!!


  Just a pointer -- as they look great - and fit well to the current package  - your wheel set  is pretty much like dropping anchor on your little 998. also depending on your gearing....

Simple facts of the weight + diameter and width creating more drag of that 13' wheel set you are lugging around more wheel than intended.  Totally not the end of the world - and if you' are planning a powerplant upgrade you will be good to go!!! 

If you had a nice set of Smaller 12's  or even a proper set of 10 Wheels the 998 would cope much better with the reduced mass to spin around.

Goodluck with the build and progress- keep us updated!

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: SoCalMiniFan on May 13, 2016, 11:11:45 AM
If my '74 1000 only had a body half as nice as yours! 

That's going to be a great little ride when all is said and done. 

Great pick up.

On a side note, quickly looking at the images I thought the hearse was towing the Mini!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on May 13, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
It looked to me like they could have just stuffed the Mini into the back of the hearse, give or take an inch!

You point is well taken re: the 13" fat wheels I got from the seller.  It also came with five original 10" wheels w/ rubber so old, they don't even have date codes, and I can see my reflection in the sidewalls . . . .  Since I am hopefully within 16 months of having a new motor, I will probably hold off for now.

I will report back on installing the electronic ignition this weekend.

A few pics of my Dad's old scary Moke circa 1974;
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on May 13, 2016, 05:07:47 PM
Wow, I really like how he used the fenders for a spoiler! Holy downforce Batman!   ;D

Was this for autocross or a track car?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: John Gervais on May 13, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: bryanp on May 12, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Hello all; I bought this Mini 1000 last month.  The previous two owners endured the pain and suffering of doing all the metal and paint.  The seller had too many projects and quickly reinstalled the original interior and 1000 drivetrain so he could market it as a runner.  He also installed all of the new goodies he purchased - new HS4, alternator, coil, wheels and flares. 

So the car is currently a weird combination of really nice next to really ratty.  I live in Santa Fe, NM which is beautiful, but hard on the horsepower since SF is at 7,000' elevation and my house is at 7,700'.   The guys at Minimania put me in touch w/ Joe Curto who sent me an AAP needle which, along with adjusting the mixture, has cured my extreme rich running.  I also tried to time the motor, but discovered that the really gross distributor probably has its original, and completely cratered, points.  I will install the new electronic ignition car this weekend.  Would an original Mini 1000 have had an external ballast?  If so, I am not seeing it.       

This winter I will re-do the suspension, install 8.4 discs, and add sway bars.  If there is money left, add dynamat, replace the brown carpet w/ gray, new back seat, door cards, etc. 

The next winter, I will replace the 998cc's of fury w/ a 1380A+ unit.  since I am dealing with altitude, my plan is to get one of the Eaton supercharger/intake manifold kits from the UK to cram as much air as I can into the engine.   I have read that it is probably advisable to change the final drive when going that route.
     

Ok, first, congratulations and welcome!  Nice color on it too!

My o'pinion:

If you're going with 8.4" disks later on, you'll really want the 12" wheels, as 13" is too heavy for any practical use, even with the supercharger.     12" is where it's at - and a '60' profile tire (ex. Yokohama A539 165/60/12) will give a bit more comfort and last way longer than the 165/55/12 Yoko A048.  EBC makes some fantastic dimpled and slotted 8.4" disks, greenstuff pads and you'll stop.  No servo required, but make sure you use the proper rear cylinders.

I'll also try to talk you out of the 1380 - that's the largest practical overbore, and if something goes sour, you're looking for a new block (or sleeving it).  I'd go with a 1275 +0.20" to give 1293cc - you'll get plenty of grunt and if you need to do something later on, still have +0.40" or 0.60" or even 0.080" left in it.  1275 blocks are getting scarce, and there are a lot of guys with 1380's that are running out of luck (and still only have warm 1275 performance). 

That said, a hot 998 can also be an absolute blast, and more robust than the 1275.  Yeah, I'm partial to the 998, I've got one of them...  My spare 998 engine will soon be fitted with + 0.020" or 0.040" 1098 pistons on the 998 crankshaft - just need a light skim on the block surface to bring the CR back up.  Should be a torque monster!  Oh, I also need more money to make something happen...

The HS4 isn't a whole lot o'carb for the 998, my original 850 was 'born with' an HS4 from the factory, as were many 850's - Chilean export model 850's received HIF38's from the factory also.  Marvelous carbs...  998's love the HS4 - they like the HIF38 even better, or twin HS2's even more!  Woohoo!

I later fitted twin HS2's to my 850, along with a lightweight flywheel and a few other goodies - ran like a scalded cat, limiting factor on most minis is the gearing.  I can't remember what that gearbox had, believe it was 3.647 or maybe 3.765:1.  I'm now using 3.44:1 on my warmed-up 998, and it still feels like it runs out of gears - loud as hell in the cabin at 5500 rpm (95mph), but still pulling.  I guess if I had the 'nads, I could bring it up to 6500 or 6800 before I should be thinking of the valvetrain, but I don't want to test the aerodynamics at 110+.  A 3.2:1 FD would ease things up a bit, 5100 rpm would be about 95mph.  Slightly less noise.

Dynamat?  Really?  (why???)  Might as well add a sandbag too... 

The rear sway bar is really all you need.  Heavy-duty adjustable tie rods in front with the hard/soft bush combination, extra engine steadies, negative camber lower arms with corrected bushings, rear camber brackets and toe shims.

Edit:

Ah, the ballast resistor.  Some minis, had a ballast resistor wire (cable) instead of the usual ceramic block.  My Haynes manual shows the Pre-1977 Canadian market 1000cc mini having a White ballast resistor cable (wire) sharing the coil + terminal with a White w/Blue trace wire.  1977 onwards Canadian 1000cc minis used a White w/Pink trace resistor cable on the coil +.  All 1984 onwards carburetor models (both single and multiple instrument pack) also had a ballast cable (White w/Pink) on the coil + terminal.  1988 onward carburetor models also had a ballast resistor cable, this time it changed to Pink w/White trace on the coil +.

I installed a ballast resistor (ceramic block) when I installed the optical ignition.  Makes good sense.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on October 09, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
Hi All - it has been a while since I posted re: the blue car; although it was driveable when I received it, the drivetrain was clearly tossed back in in a hurry - SU w/ no oil in it, more than several nuts/bolts only finger-tight, etc.   I had a fun summer driving it - very fun car to toss around, but just miserably underpowered given the altitude and the hilly nature of Santa Fe. 

I replaced the rear shocks - appeared to be original and probably shot decades ago -  w/ Spax adjustables - and installed a KAD sway bar.  The rear subframe is brand new, with some new undercoating unfortunately slathered on  in a few spots.  what appeared to be brand new adjustable Hi/Los had been installed -so I just adjusted them - and the radius arms had been removed, cleaned and painted.   

I installed the Corbeau II seats as well as the steering column lowering bracket from DSN Classics and new steering wheel. 

I have had interesting engine discussions w/ folks in the UK - per John G's advice, I am having a 1293 A+ motor built for me by the same guy that is providing the Eaton supercharger.  The consensus is that "1380" and "supercharger" should never go in the same sentence.  As it is, the center main bearing attachment will be enhanced as if it were a race motor. 

I hope to have the motor/gearbox (the 5-speed w/ x-pin diff from MiniSpares)/supercharger package by January.  Since it's staring to get cold here, I will go ahead and pull the 998 (anyone want it? it seems to run great), re-do the front suspension w/ the MiniSport discs, coilover shocks, the heavy-duty adjustable tie rods, put in a new interior, and convert to LHD.  the steering transition should be easy, but the pedals/master cylinders will be a trick.  The supercharger set-up appears to take up space exactly where the master cylinders would be if I moved them to the left side.  I am looking at a pedal box w/attached cylinders and remote reservoirs like this one = http://www.obpltd.com/Pedal-Boxes/Classic-Mini/Classic-Mini-Pedal-Box-Hydraulic-Clutch-OBP0304  I'd be interested in other's thoughts on how to achieve this.  If I were the only person to drive it, I might leave it RHD, but I would like for my wife and eventually my sons to drive it - and I'd rather it be LHD for them as well.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
5 speed! You ARE spending some scheckels!

What final drive will you have? I have a 3.44:1 in mine and like John says, it's pretty low gears. I'm in 2nd or even third by the time I get across a wide intersection....I'm changing to a 3:1 this winter. With the 5th gear you can run those lower final drive gears and keep the low speed acceleration.  I think the MS 5 speed comes with a 3.44.......with a supercharger you'll have plenty of low down grunt so you could run a taller FD.....

It will be fun to see this come together.....check with MiniTec - they use a Wilwood pedal set and master cylinders for their Vtec conversions that looks very similar to the one you linked. http://superfastminis.com/WILRACEPEDALKIT.htm (http://superfastminis.com/WILRACEPEDALKIT.htm)
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: John Gervais on October 09, 2016, 03:08:26 PM
Cool!   77.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on October 09, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
thanks, Dave - I had looked at some Wilwood pedal boxes, but hadn't seen the Mini-specific product.  Here are the specs on the Mini spares 5-speed;
"It is fitted with a closer ratio gear set than the standard 4 speed gearbox by virtue of a redesigned laygear and first motion shaft which produce the following ratios-

1st gear 3.282

2nd gear 1.966

3rd gear 1.283

4th gear 1-1

5th gear is technically an overdrive gear and produces a reduction of .882 on the helical teeth gearbox with a new 3.444 final drive it gives a 5th gear ratio of 3.037."

It is definitely more expensive than I normally would have gone but (1)  both our Interstates in NM are 75mph, so I definitely want some long legs on it, and (2) I did very well when I sold my Alfa Giulia SS last year, so I'm not blowing any budgets yet.  Plus, Mini stuff from the UK suppliers has been a total bargain since Brexit!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2016, 05:41:10 PM
I know, I've been buying all my stuff at Mini Spares and Sport this year.....did you sell your Alfa on BaT?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: John Gervais on October 09, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
There are many advantages to buying at MiniSpares, namely that they're the ones who actually manufacturer/find suppliers for many discontinued parts and are primary suppliers to MM and the like.  Oftentimes you'll have a far greater selection of critical bits and oftentimes get much needed parts quicker by ordering direct from the UK vs. waiting for stateside suppliers to receive stock from the UK.

I've only bought from MiniSport a few times, so I can't really comment on their performance, but I've a MiniSpares sticker on my wall cabinet.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2016, 08:20:12 PM
All the Brexit has done is nicely sweeten what was already fantastic pricing from UK suppliers - especially MiniSpares, as compared to the US-based Mini parts houses.     

Traditionally, MiniSpares prices were just one-half of the prices of MiniMania and Seven for the exact same part.

Or in other words, both MiniMania and Seven typically have a 100% markup on the retail prices -- not wholesale prices (!) -- of what MiniSpares charges.     (and just consider they buy inventory in bulk and certainly don't pay retail when they do)

So with the pound falling against the dollar to around $1.26 = £1 things are even better.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 04, 2016, 11:04:12 AM
Slow progress continues (since my projects never go fast).   Since my last posting, the engine is out, the interior is out, the front suspension out, cleaned, powder coated and reinstalled - I won't reinstall the hubs until after the new engine/gearbox is in.  DHL managed to lose the new 5-speed box from MiniSpares - it was last scanned in LA on 11/23.  Hopefully it will turn up soon, otherwise I am looking at another 12 week lead time since MiniSpares makes them as they are ordered.  :-[    Not really a big deal since it's not like I would be driving it up here in the Rockies in February/March anyway. . . .  the engine & supercharger should be here the end of January.  The final formula on that is 1312 ccs w/ other enhancements

I got the pedal box from OBP whereby the master cylinders will be inside, and I can mount the reservoirs in the engine bay, away from the supercharger and exhaust manifold heat. 

The driver's side window operation is unhappy, and the glass is scratched, so I'll tackle that next.  Why did Mini seal the door regulator cover as if there may be a hurricane on the other side?  There are three other openings on the inside sheet metal just inches away . . .  I have new glass and the inside & outside trim felt/rubber finishing strips (and the clips). 

Any ideas on selling the old 998 unit (other than ebay)?  Other than a new water pump and new carb, it looks to me like it may be original and never opened.  I have no idea on mileage.  Now that I think about it, I should have done a compression test before pulling it out, but I also can't imagine that anyone would be dumping it in a car as-is. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 04, 2016, 12:25:46 PM
Are those the 1 1/2º negative camber lower arms? If so, did you get the offset bushings to go with them?

How was the gearbox on the 998?

The starter is still on it, hook a battery up to it and test the compression....be good to know what it is. Be sure the oil pressure switch is still in it, don't want to squirt oil all over the shop!  ;D
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 04, 2016, 01:03:13 PM
Any idea what the final drive is?  What is the shifter?  Does the distributor come with it?

If the paperwork on my Moke finally gets here this next week, I may consider it as an eventual upgrade to the Moke's 850 when I start the major restoration on it.

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 05, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
MiniDave - the lower arms are stock; I had to do a little grinding (evident in the one picture) since the fork on the new adjustable tie-rods was a little tight.
I thought the gearbox was very smooth, no grinding.  Third gear was a little hard to find until I got the hang of it - it could have also been my inexperience driving a RHD car.
I will do a compression test this week and post the results.

MPlayle - the  gearbox is the Rod type (the car is a 74) and since I am assuming it is the original unit, I believe it would have the 3.44 final drive.  Yes, the original distributor would come with it (you would have to give it new points - they are pretty pitted). The carb, water pump and mechanical fuel pump all appear to be new and would be sold w/ the engine.   
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on December 05, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
Grinding on the lower arms?  Never heard of that being needed before. 

Edit: Okay, now I see the photo.  Never mind.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: tmsmini on December 05, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
With all that you are putting into this, I would add adjustable lower arms, so you can dial in the suspension to match the rest.
And I would also add rear camber/toe brackets as well.
Terry
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 05, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Yep, I agree about the adjustable arms and rear camber brackets - I prefer they type that KAD or Mini Sport sell.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 05, 2016, 01:53:58 PM
Another odd question: Is the differential output pot joint or yoke style?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 05, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
He says it's rod change so it should be pot joints, right?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 05, 2016, 02:53:32 PM
Dave,

I believe you are correct that it should be pot joint outputs.  I can't remember the cut-over years for the transitions and whether there may have been rod-change with yoke or magic-wand with pot-joint setups.

I'm trying to picture ahead for planning the restoration of the Moke and what would readily adapt and what may require significantly more effort.


Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on December 05, 2016, 03:50:48 PM
1973 was the year of several changes including the rod change shifter, pot joint inner CVs, and alternators replacing generators. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: DS1980 on December 05, 2016, 04:28:27 PM
I have a 1972 that is magic wand and yoke. I believe last year for both.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 07, 2016, 11:29:51 AM
Yes - they are the pot joint inner CVs. 
Good advice re: the adjustable lower arms.  I already told my boys that they will be attending college at MiniSport, so it's all good.   
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 07, 2016, 11:38:10 AM
I can't think of any reason you couldn't put a 998 motor on an 850 gearbox and keep the magic wand and cross joints - downside is that you'd lose the lovely 1st gear synchro of the rod change gearboxes. But I don't know of any way to make a rod change into a pudding stirrer......

BTW, I like this style of adjustable lower control arms, they're easier to set up and very strong......MiniSport carries them.....

(http://www.gbcarparts.com/prodimages/lowerarm3.jpg)
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on December 07, 2016, 11:40:15 AM
I love the fully organic engine stand!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 07, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
Supposedly, the rod change boxes can be modified to use the magic-wand shifter, thus gaining the later 4-synchro gear set and differential while retaining the early style shifter.  (The folks at 7Ent have said it can be done.)  I don't recall which outputs you end up with - yoke or pot-joint.  If pot-joint, then a change in drive shafts is also required.

I'll take the remainder of this discussion over to my Moke thread instead of continuing to "hijack" the original intent of this thread.

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 07, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
I could see putting the later gears in the earlier case, but I don't see how you could use a rod change case - there's a hole and bushing where the shifter goes thru that the rod change case doesn't have - you can change the diff case to gain that part, but not the upper part.

You can see the shift rod in this pic.....not to mention all the internal shifting mechanism is completely different in a rod change box. There is a kit to change over pot joints to yokes, Stan did (or is doing) that to his......

(http://www.guess-works.com/Shop/Gearbox/images/HYB1.jpg)

Here's the rod change gearbox for comparison.....

(http://www.minimania.com/images_temp/800600001u-22g2383.jpg)
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Nicholasupton on December 07, 2016, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 07, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
Supposedly, the rod change boxes can be modified to use the magic-wand shifter, thus gaining the later 4-synchro gear set and differential while retaining the early style shifter.  (The folks at 7Ent have said it can be done.)  I don't recall which outputs you end up with - yoke or pot-joint.  If pot-joint, then a change in drive shafts is also required.

I'll take the remainder of this discussion over to my Moke thread instead of continuing to "hijack" the original intent of this thread.

You can fit a Magic wand to a Remote case, not a rodchange
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 07, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
That was my thought too, NU.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 07, 2016, 10:19:15 PM
Nick,

Thank you for the correction/clarification.  It is a conversion that is new to me and I probably misunderstood part of Jack's description when he told me about it.

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: towjoe on December 07, 2016, 11:15:36 PM
This is done by Guessworks.
http://guess-works.com/Shop/Gearbox/NewProduct.htm
John Guess is a great source for gearbox parts.
Regards
towjoe 77.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 08, 2016, 08:01:14 AM
That's an excellent option, I don't think I could build one for that price - especially because of the machine work needed.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 08, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
This is very cool and I am learning a lot - didn't know that the rod/want conversion was even possible. 

I went back thru this thread and realized I had not answered certain questions, so here they are:

MiniDave, re: my Dad's old Moke, he both autocrossed it in Hawaii and won the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Championship for his class in '74.  We got it in '70.  Here's a blog w/ the whole story - click on the pics for a bigger view.    http://maximummini.blogspot.com/2016/08/how-hawaiian-ex-rental-became-worlds.html#comment-form

I sold my Alfa SS thru the AlfaBB to a former Chicago AROC president who had previously done a Veloce Sprint and a Veloce Spider; the right guy to have it. 

BruceK; yes, I diligently got rid of all my scrap lumber in the garage clean-up before the Mini arrived.  So all I had to set the motor on was firewood!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 08, 2016, 11:26:20 AM
Brian, the wand is the absolute last choice when it comes to shifters, either rod change or remote is much better.....

Loved the article on the Moke!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MEhinger on December 09, 2016, 01:31:42 PM
On the final drive discussion, I have a knightsbridge mini I bought new. It came with a 2.76:1 final drive and I loved it from the start. It runs 3400 rpm at 80mph. The 1275, MPI has plenty of power. I liked it so much that when I built my son's car, I used that gear again. His car is a 1293 with twin SUs. It has similar if not better performance. I have no experience with higher elevations like where you live but it all works well in Tennessee.

And I do have to add that your car really looks good.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 11, 2016, 12:38:47 PM
Well, Christmas came early; after many calls w/ DHL, they officially declared the gearbox "lost" and started the claims process w/ MiniSpares.  Then Friday it showed up!!!  Here are the pics for those of you who have more experience w/ the innards of the Mini box that I do.  And, thank you, MEhinger - I am having fun.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on December 11, 2016, 01:42:30 PM
I see I'm not the only person to use those small furniture dollies for engine dollies.

I've even used one at each corner of a Mini to put the whole car on dollies for putting it into the corner of the garage.

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2016, 01:47:05 PM
The 5th gear is to the left in this picture, normally that area is fairly empty.....

(http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1009.0;attach=5975;image)
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on May 05, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
It has been a while since I have posted any progress updates.  I am in the midst of a kitchen renovation, and the stupid kids always want something . . . like food, so I am able to work on the Mini about four hours a week.

Per the advice of MiniDave many months ago, I switched out my lower control arms for the heavy-duty adjustables.  I treated the floor and the firewall w/ a B-Quiet product, allegedly a third lighter than Dynamat, installed the LHD steering rack; installed new glass and regulator in the left door (the felt was long gone and the staples holding the felt/rubber on the waist rails had gouged the glass pretty good).  I fabricated a plate for mounting the OPB pedal box and have a little brake plumbing to do.   

My 1310 engine came from the UK along w/ the supercharger, custom manifold and clutch.  The gentleman who did the work also beefed up the center bearing support.  Now I am waiting on a bunch of peripheral engine stuff since I have gone from an A- motor to A+ w/ verto clutch.

So my question for the group has to do with dealing w/ the heat from the supercharger.  I have looked at a lot of modified Minis and do not believe I have seen one where relief vents have been put in near the rear edge of the bonnet.  I have a new heritage bonnet in primer (the one that came /w the car looks like it had gone thru a "heat event" w/ the sheet metal sagging slightly around the x-brace).  Before I have it painted blue, I was thinking about placing two relief vents in it - a simple two-louver arrangement towards each of the back corners.   Is there a reason not to do this?  Is it possible you never see relief vents in Mini hoods because you want to encourage the air to go through the radiator, and the relief vents allow that much more air to go somewhere else? 

thanks all!     
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on May 05, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Wow Bryan, you're making huge progress!

The heat from the supercharger will all be internal, not external.....and I can't see any way to plumb an intercooler in there, so I would not worry about it. However, it does seem to me that adding vents to the hood would cost some airflow out of the radiator end, but I could be wrong. At any rate, if you have a good enough radiator, you'll be fine.

The only downside of additional heat in the intake from the supercharger is reduced efficiency, but I'm not sure you'll notice it except on a really hot day. Be sure to set your timing so you don't get any pinging under load, and you will absolutely need premium fuel, the higher the octane the better.

Those are the exact lower control arms I buy, I like them better than the other style - very easy to adjust. Be sure you have the taper correct in the ball joint hole, it's easy to put them on upside down/wrong side.....don't ask me how I know!

I use a piece of board in between the pads for the engine to rest on.....

Oh, one other small nitty comment, I put the door opening handles on 90* from where you have them (pointing slightly forward), you pull back to open the door, I think you'll find doing it the way you did will be awkward to operate. You'll also want your window winders to stop where you don't bang your knee on them while you drive......but not necessarily where mine are in this pic......
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on September 10, 2017, 05:26:44 PM
Ok, so I am starting another post in my own thread with "it's been a while since I last posted . . ."  The kitchen is done and my spouse is happy, so I am back in the garage.  I just have a few new bits of progress to share.

Per the advice of this group, I got a set of 12" minilite-style wheels w/ 165/60 Yokos.  If you recall, the previous owner had just purchased a set of 13" wheels w/ 175/50 tires.  Even though the new wheels are smaller, the offset on the inside is greater than the 13x7 wheels, so I was getting a tiny bit of fouling w/ my new rear sway bar.  I decided to go fancy and get a set of the Minisport finned rear drums and the 56mm studs (forgot to get the longer drum screws, but they're on their way - I know they are missing in the pic).  I test fitted the rear tires/wheel, and plenty of clearance now.  I won't know until I set the car on the ground many months from now if the smaller wheels/tires will look decent w/ the fat flares the previous owner installed. 

I also re-plumbed the gas line in the boot, inserting an electric pump and then a regulator - I will need this to dial in the psi for the supercharger.

Next, I need to finally finish the pedal box mounting - I fabricated a steel plate for it to hang from, but i'll cover that in a few weeks (famous last words) in my next posting.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on September 24, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
Problem; I tried to mount the OBP pedal box using the steel plate I fabricated.  The problem is that the gorgeous adjustable steering column bracket from DSN Classics (see the second pic in Reply #8 of this thread) is much bulkier than the stock steel bracket (21A2463).  The DSN bracket fouls one of the master brake cylinders mounted to the front of the pedal box . . . . and I am out of front-back adjustment w/ the pedal box/master cylinder dimension. 

Of course, I destroyed the old bracket when I removed the column last year - the shear bolts did what they're supposed to do, so I broke out the hacksaw, thinking I wouldn't need the old bracket having bought the DSN dash jewelry.   :-[  So - no one makes/carries the old bracket.  Seven has a used one, but it says it's for MK1 and 2.  Does anyone know what the difference would be between the pre-71 bracket and the post-71 bracket?  I have the collar/bracket for my MK 3 column and I also have the column adjuster lowering bracket (BG5101), so the only thing I can think of that would be different would be the distance between the mounting holes in the in the earlier bracket to the skinny "nut plate" (114-919) that sits in the bowed dash rail.    But there does not appear to be a difference between Mk 1/2 and Mk 3 nut plates, so I just don't know.

Any thoughts?  Does anyone have a spare MK 3 bracket I could buy?  Doesn't have to be pretty ....

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
I may have one, let me dig around my box of "stuff", I should know by tomorrow.......
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on September 27, 2017, 07:56:18 AM
thanks, Dave!  turns out that Seven doesn't actually have the used one on their site . . . .
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on September 27, 2017, 08:15:32 AM
Sorry, turns out I don't have one but they can't be that hard to find, can they? There must be thousands of them lying about in old shells in England........
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 10, 2017, 05:50:24 PM
ok, so I made a little more progress.  I had fabricated a plate that sits on top of the sheet metal "tray" that goes between the firewall and the partial tube section that is the front rail of the dash.  Holy cow, I can't describe what a PITA it was to get three sets of holes aligned/drilled in the plate, the tray and the top of the OBP pedal box.  Finally got it to work (God bless the Dremel) and hung the pedal box about 1.5" below the plate/tray. 

I was also able to source an extended, adjustable steering column lowering bracket from Swiftune in the UK.  Unlike the gorgeous billet bracket from DSN Classics, this one angles away from the bottom of the rail, so the fouling problem I had w/ the middle master cylinder in the pedal box is now solved. 

Another glitch was that my original set of holes in the plate and tray ended up placing the brake pedal in the way of the steering column by about 1/16.  With a lot of filing to get the pedal box more to the right, and skootching the bracket to the left, I now have 0.5" between the column and the brake pedal at its closest point (the column angles towards the centerline of the car).

I set the driver's seat in the car and sat in it, just to make sure all the geometries had all finally worked out.  I think I can say that the car is officially LHD . . . .   I will still be a somewhat splayed-knees driver, but that's life in a Mini.  I am feeling pretty energized now.  I will mount the 3-reservoir plinth in the engine bay and use some tubing to mock up the six lengths of stainless steel woven master cylinder hoses I need to have fabricated.  I will remove the pedal box and mount up the other two cylinders and bias bar.      Then back under the dash to work on mounting the pint-sized heater from MiniMania . . . . another transition plate in my near future.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 10, 2017, 05:59:42 PM
Very cool, progress........

You mentioned fuel pressure, those webers are very sensitive to fuel pressure - 2 - 2.5psi is all they want. I like the regulator with the filter built in - who makes that?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 10, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
the mfg is Malpassi Filter King.  The gauge is an add-on; you have to pick one where the filter body has been drilled/threaded for the gauge.  I'll go thru my file tonight to see who I bought it from.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 10, 2017, 06:54:41 PM
I found them, seem to be UK based. Spendy too......

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 11, 2017, 09:41:02 AM
Definitely spendy, but the guy who provided the supercharger uses it on his motors for dialing-in the psi.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 02, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
Slowly, but surely, incremental progress.  New front suspension; Spax adjustable coil-overs and Minisport ventilated brakes.   I bought a Series II E-type coupe last summer and vowed not to work on it until the Mini was complete . . . one new heater valve and clutch master cylinder later . .. .
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Willie_B on April 02, 2018, 03:46:40 PM
I was thinking something was missing in the photo, read back and noticed coil-overs.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on April 02, 2018, 05:02:38 PM
I also have a Series II E-Type coupe, tell us about yours........
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 02, 2018, 06:01:57 PM
Before I get to the Jag, I noticed something odd w/ the new hubs.  After torquing down the swivel pin nuts at the top and bottom of the hub on the left side, it swivels easily and I can turn the rubber dust covers at the ball joint w/ my fingers.  But on the right side - same procedure - I have difficulty swiveling the hub w/ two hands.  Same torque setting (30) and I can also turn the dust covers w/ my fingers.  I haven't lubed the top and bottom zerks, I feel like I shouldn't need to to get easy swiveling.  I'm talking about rotation in the vertical axis, not the rotation of the rotor.

Anyway, the Jag; I bought it from a doctor in Orlando who had it since 86.  I have a FL certificate that shows it was off the road/unregistered for nearly 20 years.  It only has has 38,700 miles on it.  About 5 years ago he started doing a lot of work - rust repair, dynamat, painted from primrose yellow to black, new tan interior, stainless exhaust, new AC from Vintage Air, conversion from the two Zenith Strombergs to the triple SUs, alum radiator, electronic ignition, etc.    I bought it knowing that it had mechanical needs and I didn't want to spend money on a project that needed paint/interior.  The engine runs strongly, but the long-term storage maladies showed up right away.  Coolant geyser out of the heater valve  (had to cut it off w/ a dremel), and the third time I drove it, I wondered why my foot kept slipping off the clutch pedal . . . .   Also, the clutch is completely spent - no more adjustment at the slave cylinder, even after cutting about 3/16" off the rod - no play in the throwout bearing lever at all.   

Here is a pic - looks fantastic from 15 feet - but it needs to be pushed!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 02, 2018, 06:03:26 PM
Dave - I just noticed your '69 in your footer.  Mine is April-ish '70. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on April 02, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
Wow, my car was originally primrose too, and guess what color it is now?   ;D

I also got rid of the Strombergs, but couldn't afford the triples, so I have 2 SU's, still ran better than with the Strombergs.

No A/C in mine tho, although I did add electronic ignition. I also removed the side marker lights, I just didn't like them, they looked tacked on

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 03, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
haha - great minds . . . .
I like the quarter light deletion!
At the risk of turning this into Jag-chat, I am also thinking of a body mod.  I think the Series II is mechanically superior to the older, better looking E-types, but I really dislike the rear taillight-valence treatment of the S.II.  It looks to me like the curvature of the lower taillight arrangement of an Audi Q5 would work, tucked just under the bumpers of the Jag.    The rear quarter lights would also be deleted.

Anyone have any bright ideas about my hub recalcitrance before I go disassembling it?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MPlayle on April 03, 2018, 08:49:06 AM
Use the Audi tail light to make a poster board (cardboard - aka: CAD from Project Binky) template to check the match of the curves?

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 03, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
Yes; that is the plan.  I don't really do metal work - at least I don't think I do it very well, especially on a compound curve beauty like this.  I live about 45 minutes from the low-rider capital of the world in Espanola, NM.   I know some of those guys - magicians w/ metal.  When the time comes, I might take the car up there to see if they might take it on. 

First things first, though.  MUST FINISH THE MINI   
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on April 03, 2018, 02:29:20 PM
Re: your hub, if I understand you one side is difficult to turn left and right? You shimmed the ball joints correctly?

like the look of the Audi tail lights if you can make them work.

I didn't like the looks of the splayed exhaust, so I tucked the center panel and lic plate up higher and used the earlier exhaust twin resonator pipes.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 03, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
The hubs came fully assembled as part of the disc brake kit from MiniSport. .. .  I wouldn't think they would make that mistake.

I like your tailpipe solution - the license plate could easily be 3" higher on the S.II.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on April 03, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
OK, well some folks think a bit of drag is the right way to shim them, they def should not have any play in them at all, so I'd go ahead and drive it as is and see how it does in another 500 miles. It also may feel different with the weight of the car on them.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 07, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
I guess I'll start w/ my confession to the group - after 6 months of getting less and less done - 60 hour work weeks, cataract surgery, etc. - I took the Mini to a shop in Denver.  Mini wizard Darren Haines at Ted Ax's shop, Ax & Allies is now honcho-ing my project.   

The more I looked at my OBP pedal box installation, the more I hated it.  Even though OBP instructs one to hang the box from the dash tray on the classic Mini using a steel transition plate, it's just too flimsy - the entire dash tray and C-channel at the leading edge of it were deflecting a lot w/ any pedal operation.  Darren fabricated a firewall mount using misc rectangular steel tube sections.   

Engine/tran/clutch/radiator are in.  The tiny heater from MiniMania is in as well as the rear window brake light from Moss.  We moved the wiper motor to the now-passenger side of the bay and mounted the reservoirs in that niche, clear of the supercharger.  Even though I have the new alum radiator installed, I think I will go ahead and install an elec cheater fan in the wheel well to deal w/ the extra supercharger load.  Does anyone have a favorite?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: tmsmini on December 07, 2018, 02:21:28 PM
Looking good! Great to see Darren still has his hands in Minis as well.
Terry
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on December 08, 2018, 04:42:19 AM
Could you please post more pictures of your pedal box mount? Car looks great!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 08, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
thanks.  The pedal box support is out being powder-coated, but I will get/post more pics of it. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 11, 2018, 11:55:29 AM
Here you go, Vikram - obviously pre-powder-coating. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2018, 12:23:32 PM
Gee, that pedal box mount just doesn't look very sturdy at all.





;D
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 11, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I know right?  It holds up the firewall now.   62.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2018, 07:25:34 PM
Hey Bryan, great to hear from you again, excited to see you're making progress on your build!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: John Gervais on December 12, 2018, 04:25:20 AM
Wow, this project is going nicely!   4.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on December 12, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
Thank you for the pictures, it looks really good! I might use this as inspiration.

If I'm not wrong this is v1 of the pedal box? I think theres a newer version out. Ive heard that v1 is flexy on the firewall and you've more than fixed that issue! I wonder if v2 fixes this...
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 12, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
Thanks all!
Vikram - I did not know about a v1 versus v2 on the OBP pedal box.  I don't think the problem is so much w/ the OBP product itself as it is w/ the methodology OBP promotes (complete w/ printed instructions w/ pics) for installing - hanging the pedals/box frame/cylinders from the flimsy dash tray.  I bought my assembly from them over two years ago, so it is very possible they have (hopefully) changed their recommended installation.  I'll look on their website this weekend.

Dave - I managed to sneak in a new clutch in the E-type so I at least have one car that drives.

I had the magnaflow headers ceramic coated to try to keep the heat down since the supercharger sits just above them. Even so, I think it will be a good idea to fabricate a heat shield to go under the Weber.  This pic is looking at the underside of the supercharger and its Weber - maybe two inches or so from where the center and right headers would be.  The intake manifold is wrapped. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 12, 2018, 01:35:06 PM
Managed to sneak a clutch in? Ha! New clutch is an engine out job on an Etype...no sneaking there!  77.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 12, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
actually lifted the car off the engine/tran. . . .  blasted/powder-coated the front suspension and re-built the front suspension while we were at it .. .
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 12, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
Having a lift makes all the difference!

I drop mine down onto my creeper, then lift the front end high enough and roll it right out.....Powder coat existed when I did mine, but I didn't know about it then or I would have done the same - looks great!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 12, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
the ride difference is UNBELIEVABLE.  The IRS is next year . .. .
The best part of the kitchen renovation was getting the old oven out into the garage for powder coating - I can do some pretty big stuff now . . .
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on December 12, 2018, 10:13:34 PM
Hell of a sandblast cabinet too!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on December 13, 2018, 11:13:56 AM
The way your weber is mounted could you put a longer intlet manifold on? It gives a much better torque curve, ive heard but then again you have a supercharger!

Would you mind sharing your jet sizes?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on December 13, 2018, 12:31:03 PM
The Weber is a 40DCOE.  I'll have to check the jet sizes.  I am pretty sure a call w/ Mike Pierce is in my future since I live at 7,600' elevation and will likely be running super rich w/ the stock set-up.  But I won't know until I check!  There isn't a lot of latitude for moving the supercharger around; the gentleman in the UK from whom I bought the engine and supercharger fabricates the intake manifold specifically for fitting the unit in the classic Mini engine bay.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on January 22, 2019, 03:20:24 PM
I've done some research into it, and I too would like to go down the eaton supercharger path.

Are you using a decompression plate between the head head and block or have you enlarged the ports in the head to drop CR?

Any more progress on your build?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2019, 03:40:15 PM
I would do a turbo rather than a supercharger.....lots of reasons, but mostly performance and simplicity. The supercharger is easy cause a guy makes a kit where I think you'd have to either find a Metro turbo kit and adapt it or make your own. But the Supercharger will only get a stock 1275 to about 85 hp, we got more than that out of Dan's engine just by doing the build right, with the proper head, cam, exhaust and carburetion.

The main advantage of a turbo or supercharger is at altitude, that's where they really shine compared to stock. A supercharger is less effective at altitude, especially at lower RPMs.....but you can buy a kit with all the parts made for a Mini so there's that.

One small nit Vikram, you don't change the ports, you enlarge the combustion chambers.....that's what adding the plate does.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on January 22, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
Sorry Dave, I did mean to say that combustion chambers!

How about this for a counter argument. The Vmax kit, like Bryan has puts down 105 bhp (is that 80ish to wheels?) on a stock 1275 with weber 40s, according to the vmax site. Easily more with a modified head that can take more boost. So lots more power to gain.

Although its parasitic, it won't lag like a turbo, although I've heard the new tiny garretts are very good. No need to mod the bulkhead either with a supercharger.... Easily returned to stock. Your Altitude point is fair.

Dan does have a fantastic build, but bang for buck surely forced induction beats it? That calver head alone is big money....! Not knocking it, its expensive for a reason
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2019, 04:28:55 PM
The Calver head was £600, Supercharge kit is what £1800? Plus you have to pay someone to install it? Which includes pulling the head the install the spacer plate?

They both have their merits - they say superchargers have no lag but at altitude they sure do. At dead sea level not as much but there is still lag waiting for the boost to build.....
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on January 28, 2019, 05:52:56 PM
Sorry for the radio silence, but I had my second cataract surgery last week and have been trying to limit my "screen" time.

If I am reading my discussions w/ Stuart Gurr (the vmaxcart guy) correctly, he did not make my engine w/ a decompression plate.  He bored the cylinders to 40 over (for 1312 displacement) to take Omega's dished 18cc forged pistons such that the compression should be low enough w/out using a decompression plate.  I need to search further thru our correspondence for the actual compression ratio. The head description is a large port unleaded 35.7x31 race valved head with 23 cc chamber, sw5 type cam in 112 lobe centers, oil squirters for piston cooling.  The engine will be dyno-d in Denver in the next month or so, and I will share those results here.

At almost a mile and a half above sea level, I guess I will be the guinea pig for the altitude/low-end torque question . . .

A little progress lately - a fully operating windshield washer system now w/ older-school reservoir, and I got the replacement bonnet painted to match the Ford grabber blue.
 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 06:04:06 PM
I'm really excited to see this running!

Are you going to Snowmass this summer for Mini Meet East Meets West?
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on January 28, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
Hmmm - I live in a bubble - did not know about it.  But I really have no excuse to miss it - Breckenridge is about a five hour drive from Santa Fe, Snowmass/Aspen must be about the same - very picturesque, right up 285 until the last hour.  Let me coordinate w/ my wife to see if the calendar is clear - we might even tempt fate and drive the E-type up as well; what could go wrong taking two 50 year-old British cars on a road trip??  20.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 07:31:24 PM
If you make it I want a ride in the Mini!  4.gif

Here's the thread....  http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?topic=1721.0 (http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?topic=1721.0)

Whatever you do don't take 17 out of Alamosa - one of the roughest roads I've ever been on!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on January 28, 2019, 11:15:18 PM
I look forward to this too! Sounds like a well specced engine
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on January 29, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
Well, it looks like I will be there, barring some unforeseen issue.  I'll get signed up - hopefully there is still room as the Westin - although my wife wouldn't be too upset staying in Aspen . . . .   I see that Independence Pass is over 12,000 feet!  Should be interesting.  And, yes, you all are invited to take it for a spin!  Just be gentle w/ my 5-speed box!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2019, 04:36:48 PM
You have to call the hotel, they had plenty of rooms when I booked in.....see you in June!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on March 30, 2019, 06:32:58 PM
Update time.  I drove it for the first time yesterday afternoon, just before it started snowing again (I don't think this winter will ever end).  I love it - it's just a night-day difference from the 998cc w/ really tired suspension and brakes - no really a fair comparison since it's basically a new car now.   It's fast and has great pull in all gears, including the new fifth gear.  I didn't take it on the highway, but was on an open enough road to get it to 65 (checked w/ GPS as well) in 5th - I think I saw about 3100-3200rpm at that moment, but will be more scientific about it when I can get it on a highway.    Fitting the new bonnet is next, along w/ new headliner, new dome light, visors and a few other odd bits.     Enjoy.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Willie_B on March 30, 2019, 07:03:26 PM
VERY NICE. 4.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on March 30, 2019, 07:26:13 PM
Looks Fab! gonna be ready in time for Aspen?

I love the Mini Special emblem!

We had snow this morning in KC too, didn't stick thankfully!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2019, 08:00:54 AM
Yes, Don (Pup) and I are both in at the hotel. We called weeks ago and got our reservations.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on March 31, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
I am registered for the Meet and in at the Westin as well.  Something the reservations lady said made me think that I got the last King room. 

I actually struggled w/ the badging for this car - it came to me as a Mini 1000, but it's clearly not that anymore.  And I wasn't going stick a "Cooper S" on there when it isn't and never was.  I considered the "1275 GT" badge until I figured out that badge is actually for the Clubman.   I understand that the "specials" were for certain Mark III interior/accessory packages, but it seems to best fit my weird car.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2019, 03:20:32 PM
Where did you get the third brake light? I saw another just like it today on Susan's car, only hers was silver instead of black.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on March 31, 2019, 04:36:55 PM
Moss - https://mossmotors.com/third-brake-light

Mine is actually silver as well - polished.   We made a bracket, so it doesn't puncture/fasten thru the deck covering.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on April 28, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
As you would expect on a "kit", some re-engineering of the supercharger installation has been required.  Even with the engine tilted as far forward as the adjustable steady and the radiator position would allow, the supercharger's belt was intermittently slapping the firewall on deceleration.   Even with the idler putting as much tension on the belt as practical, the slapping was still occurring and the (plastic) idler was really unhappy.   And the other problem was that, with the top of the engine so far forward, the top/leading edge of the Weber was fouling the bonnet . . . .

So we (that is, Darren) came up w/ the solution of making/attaching a bracket w/ two steel idlers from a Subaru that pull the belt in/away from the firewall.  this allowed the engine to be tilted back in a more normal position . . . and the bonnet is now well clear of the Weber!   

The previous owner installed the headliner not so well, and without installing the dome light or the visors.  As soon as that is re-done, it goes to the dyno shop, so I have some data behind the 1310 w/ the supercharger (since that will be the first question every time I pop the hood).  I really don't know what to expect.  I know that dyno data is pretty easy to manipulate, and the dyno is in Denver, so I don't know how much a test at over 5,200' elevation will handicap my numbers.  We'll find out!   
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2019, 03:15:14 PM
Can't wait to see this car in Aspen/Snowmass this summer!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Vikram on April 28, 2019, 10:28:58 PM
Looks like a job well done, can't wait to see the dyno results
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on May 07, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
The results are in - 99.4HP (I'm going to call it 100!) and 105ft-lbs at the wheels.  The test was run at Dyno-Pro in Denver. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on May 07, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Cool! Lots of torque too..... 77.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on June 28, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
I took the blue Mini to the East Meets West gathering in Snowmass and had a great time (even if I did have to leave early so that I could work today)!  I met some great folks and finally got to meet Mini Dave with whom I have only ever interacted with on this forum.

The car ran well and did the Independence Pass twice - a total blast.  The only scary moment was when a Jeep coming west overcooked a corner while I was coming east (and therefore on the cliff-side) - everyone survived)  I discovered, however, that after about an hour of driving, the Corbeau Classic II Bucket seat cuts off the circulation in my lower right leg.  I believe that a combination of my longer legs (I'm about 5'-11, but high-waisted) causing my right leg to splay pretty far to the right, and the position of the pedals even further to the right on an LHD car, puts my right thigh going diagonally across the top of the fairly stiff side bolster on the Corbeau seat.  I did an informal survey w/ Mini Dave over the field of Minis present and will look for either a set of early Miata seats, or a pair from the 1999-2000 Minis, which appear to have plenty of lateral support from the waist-up, but with fairly flat seat bottoms.  The later Mini seat is the most attractive option, since it will presumably be compatible w/ mounting in a 1970's Mini. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on June 28, 2019, 02:45:54 PM
Going up to the Pass.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on August 05, 2019, 02:26:37 PM
Yes; they are the go-to dyno shop for Ax & Allies, which does a lot of classic Mini work and is only about 1/4 mile from Dyno-pro
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2019, 08:08:54 AM
So Bryan, have you found some seats yet?

The ones Mike Playle put in his Mini Marcos look like they might be a great solution, they look period and the seat bottoms are mostly flat. You will have to build some adaptors so they bolt up to the Mini seat locators, but that gives you the opportunity to set them exactly where you want them. When I did my Miata seats in Buzz I moved them just a little towards the inside, which allowed them to clear the companion bins in the rear and go all the way back till they touched the rear seat, plus they sat lower giving me more headroom.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: Miniac on October 12, 2019, 07:20:58 AM
I still have a great pair of Miata seats for sale. Black leather.
Also, what final drive ratio did you end up using ? I have same build going on (have 13" wheels) and was curious.  What an awesome project!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on November 01, 2019, 04:43:53 PM
Sorry for the absence - 2.5 months ago, I resigned from the job I've had for the past 22 years and started a new one, so I've been giving a ton of time to the new endeavor . . .

Thanks, Miniac, for the compliment - I just looked at your MiniacI and MiniacII threads - very nice!!

My FD is 3.44. 

I might be interested in your Miata seats - can you post some detail pics of the rails/brackets in your For Sale thread?  I have the original brackets as well as the MiniSport extended brackets (MONSAB1), but I can't tell from your pics how they would work w/ the Mini brackets. 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on November 01, 2019, 04:54:10 PM
It doesn't feel right not posting a pic or two:
Took the Mini down to my dad's house in Santa Fe - first pic in his driveway - my two sons, 15 and 17, both 6'-2", and the Admiral checking out the supercharger.   The 15 year old is Mr. tae kwon do, so he's flexible - we fold him up and stick him in the back seat sideways . . . 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: 94touring on November 01, 2019, 06:49:30 PM
That's a really nice looking blue  77.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on February 27, 2020, 10:41:31 AM
Well, folks - it has been awhile, but I have finished up an assortment of loose ends on the blue Mini and intend to list it w/ BaT next week.  It is a total blast to drive, but I need the Mini $$ to finance some work on my E-Type - plus my dad needs his garage space back, so the E-Type needs to come up the hill to my place; I am out of space! 

I understand there is a several week lag time to a BaT auction commencing once you've submitted a car.  Does anyone else have experience w/ selling a car on BaT?

Here is a short driving vid - I'll stick it on youtube  when I submit my ad.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
I think we need to move our Texas trip to your neck of the woods!  77.gif

My grandson sold his Honda Beat on BaT, said it was a fairly painless experience.....

But getting it listed might be the issue....it's really hit or miss whether they'll list it...... give them a good story and you'll have a better chance.

That said, I think they'll take yours, it has enough cool different stuff on it to make it interesting.

What camera were you using in your vid? GoPro?

What are you doing to the E-Type? You already did the clutch and front end.....
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on February 27, 2020, 11:46:05 AM
C'mon up!  I have a "vintage" GoPro - I think I got it in 2009-ish to stick on my Dad's old race car.  The multi-point adjustable mount kept sagging during the vid - I have an entertaining 5-minutes of it looking at the seat bottom . . . .

On the E-type, let's see - I have an exhaust manifold leak at the top of #2 - a little annoying since I just put them back on last year w/ fresh gaskets.  So I bought the boy-racer stainless steel headers since I have to remove the manifolds anyway (I understand they're pretty transformative and sound great) - I also bottomed out on a speed bump somewhere which shoved the whole exhaust system back about an inch, so I need to adjust all those hangers while I'm at it.  I'm not going to drop the whole IRS carrier for now, but will replace the four springs/shocks back there since I'm pretty sure they're original - with GAZ adjustables.  I got a set of the D-type alloy wheels which will stand up to my crappy road better than the wires (which have seen better days).

That's what I've heard about BaT as well - I am hopeful they will take a modded-up classic Mini.
 
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 12:20:23 PM
Well, that should make some good noises!

I could tell it was a GoPro, their mountings suck....and they make all kinds of noise in the videos.

It was fun hearing you go into 5th, I wonder if anyone watching vids on BaT will notice?

Did you change the seat in the Mini?

And what does Ramirez mean to you?

They may not let you set the reserve where you want it, that happened to Stan when he sold his Mini on BaT.
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on February 27, 2020, 12:39:09 PM
I did not change out the seats - the next lucky owner can do that if he/she wants . . . .

I did not realize that BaT can ding your reserve??!?
It's a convoluted story, but "Ramirez" is the Sean Connery character in a 1980's sci-fi movie called "Highlander" - an inside joke w/ my boys whom I let name the car . . .
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 12:50:49 PM
Yeah, they reserve the right to set the reserve!   ::) 8.gif
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 01:32:22 PM
Yes, of course you can decline to list it if you don't agree with their reserve choice.....don't see a lot of Subies on BaT so it might be a good choice for them.

Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on June 08, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
Gentlemen - my BaT auction has gone live!  Thank you for all of your help/guidance throughout my build!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-mk-iii/
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2020, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: bryanp on June 08, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
Gentlemen - my BaT auction has gone live!  Thank you for all of your help/guidance throughout my build!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-mk-iii/

Good luck with the auction!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on July 10, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
So after my public BaT misadventure w/ the clutch, its all back together and waiting for it to be re-listed on BaT.   Some vids shot yesterday and this morning.  Last vid is at the request of a few BaT commenters who requested the revs in 5th at cruising speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfs99re4__o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jipHt5jylbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e4fI9y3bIc
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: MiniDave on July 10, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
Ok.......my opinion......

The S turn vids are great, now maybe you could show those from inside the car? Suggestion - don't use a handheld camera, find a way to mount it solid, so it doesn't show the carpets then the roof every time you shift.

2nd, you're shifting at 4K? Rev that sucker up - show 'em what it will do! 6K at least in the lower gears!

3rd, no supercharger whine? I expected to hear something.....maybe get the camera mounted up on the windshield for a run thru the gears?

Then have it mounted on the right rear window or back window for a good run, so that people can see your hands going thru the gears and such......gotta sell the sizzle!
Title: Re: Introduction - '74 Mini 1000, Blue Thunder in NM
Post by: bryanp on July 10, 2020, 11:04:25 AM
This is the one I posted the first time around, going thru those same S's. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsgneFYoRI4&t=6s

I will get out early tomorrow morning and push the rpms to achieve the appropriate SIZZLE.  I need to simplify and tighten up my vintage gopro mount . . .