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General Discussion => The Lounge => Topic started by: Mudhen on July 15, 2014, 02:42:26 AM

Title: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: Mudhen on July 15, 2014, 02:42:26 AM
Poking around online for something else to tear down and not finish...wondering what other fun projects/restorations you guys might have going on.  Anything?
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Post by: Mudhen on July 15, 2014, 02:43:33 AM
To kick it off...

I have an old gas pump we'd given my dad on his 70th birthday - it's in dire need of a sandblaster and some paint.  Not sure how to go about restoring the lettering/stickers type stuff, though.  Should drop it off at American Restorations I guess...love that show... 77.gif

(http://mudhen.smugmug.com/Other/MiscRestorations/i-8JNHk4h/0/L/smugshot_6942400-L.jpg)

Might be neat in a bar...still has the internals in it, maybe hooking it to a keg would be fun.   ;D
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: Jims5543 on July 15, 2014, 03:46:51 AM
My uncle restored an old gas pump, I will shoot him an email and ask about the stickers and get back to you.
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Post by: jeff10049 on July 28, 2014, 10:15:06 PM
1903 Root and Vandervoort 2 hp hit miss engine.
just need to get  a repro muffler and make a battery box and its done.
oh and clean up and reinstalll the flat belt pully

Jeff

Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: Mudhen on July 29, 2014, 06:32:57 AM
 :-\

You did that...yourself?

How'd you do the pinstriping/star?  Wow is that beautiful!
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 01, 2015, 10:58:10 PM
Was out in the shop today working on mini wiper motor and cleaning up some of my old engines and thought about this thread.  figured I check to see if any other hobbies had been posted not much going on  I see.

But I did miss your question mud so to answer yes did that my self all except for the pin stripping, I know a guy that does it for a living so I had him do it. I did do the star just mask it off by eye and painted it.

Even built a new ignitor for it you can see it had some torch cut plate spark plug conversion on it in the before pic.   

Since my last post I took a video of it running.
https://plus.google.com/107725419814074766200/posts/5ZMpb1Na7pL

Jeff
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Post by: jeff10049 on January 01, 2015, 11:08:44 PM
Wonder what Jims5543 HOA would say about my grass in that video getting a little too tall for their liking.

Also restored this one.

A 5 horse economy about 1931 year

Not much for before pics just a pile of parts.


What else you guys got somebody's got to be restoring something cool? Hows that gas pump coming?

Did the pin stripping on this one stick on vinyl worked good.





Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: Mudhen on January 02, 2015, 06:35:05 AM
Man that's gorgeous, too!  Going to grab the kids - show them the video so they can see in action the internal parts of an engine I'm always blabbering on about, too.  Awesome motor.

No progress on the gas pump, only focusing on the 944 at the moment.  That needs to be a project that gets finished... ::)
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 02, 2017, 11:46:46 PM
My Wife just found and got this for me A 1940's IHC throttle governed engine mostly complete turns over still. Valve gear is all stuck magneto has a broken cap but found one on the ebay fuel tank needs repair and someone turned it over before checking the valves and broke a rocker arm at some point  but thought enough to save the piece.
Pulled it apart some today should be a fun easy restoration I'll post the progress as I work on it.

Also started in on a 50 chevy pickup we have might start a thread on that in this section later.

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Post by: jeff10049 on January 02, 2017, 11:57:02 PM
Everything inside looks pretty good Ill pull the piston later in the week but this engine might not need much to be running.
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Post by: Jims5543 on January 03, 2017, 12:31:29 PM
Cool engines Jeff, interested in seeing the final product on that and indeed start a thread on the Cheby!!
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Post by: jeff10049 on January 03, 2017, 11:04:03 PM
cleaned up the magneto this evening got it sparking, just had to clean the points and the condenser ground. and coil connections. Not much goes wrong with these old impulse mags. Took about 50 tries with the camera timer and turning the mag by hand at just the right time to catch a spark in the photo.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 08, 2017, 12:50:14 AM
managed with heat and penetrating oil to get the valves out. I have a old Sioux valve grinder but these old valves were soft enough steel to just cut on the lathe. Cut the seats with the neway seat cutter and lapped the valves.

This engine is throttle governed rather than hit or miss. The throttle valve is in the cylinder head rather than the carb.



Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2017, 09:04:13 AM
I'm surprised you didn't shot blast the combustion chamber before you cut the seats......must be fairly low compression/HP to use valves that soft?

After being stuck like that the guides were OK?

Wonder what the slot is all about in the head of the valve? Remarkable that you could still see the makers marks on the heads of the valves!
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Post by: jeff10049 on January 08, 2017, 12:37:00 PM
Hi Dave, I didn't blast it only because it's small enough to fit the the tub of evaporust I'm using on this project and I want to see what it'll do. So far I'm amazed by the product soaked the rocker shaft in it and it slide apart by hand all the valve gear is spotless almost looks bead blasted. If the head dosent clean up i'll carfully blast it and a light recut on the seats.

The valves are soft enough to lathe cut but not as soft as mild steel the exhaust was a different part number and it took carbide bit to cut it. Still softer than todays valves though.

Yes somehow the guides survived quite well I didn't measure the clearance yet but the +.001 Newway mandrel wouuldn't go in so they are good and pass the feel test with the valve in em. I might measure them just for fun.

The slots in the valves were for the old lapping tool before the suction cup type  they also used pin drives where the valve head had two holes in it. 

The makers mark is actually the International harvester symbol they made their own.

Hear is a picture of a old ZIM valve lapper, note the rotating end piece for slot or pin drive valves.




Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2017, 03:49:22 PM
When I lapped valves using the old suction cup on a stick, you'd rub them a few times then lift slightly, rotate a bit, then rub a few more licks....can you lift the valve with this device, does it stick into the slot tight enough to do that?

I've used a handle driven one like this too, but with a suction cup on the end, never saw one with the pin or slots before....
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 14, 2017, 12:49:42 PM
I don't think they fit tight enough to lift the valve, I've never used mine just always found a suction cup big enough to work.  I just used a big screw driver on this one and pushed it up by the stem a few times.

Brazed up the broken rocker after work yesterday going in today to clear snow and will take the rest of the engine in and hopefully get to play with it a bit.

Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 15, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
Removed the fuel tank and cut out the rusty areas then welded in some patches also removed the piston the rings are stuck, will work on that next week.
Honed the bore lightly looks good slight ridge but can't even catch a finger nail on it so it'll work fine as is.
Might have it running next weekend.

Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 22, 2017, 01:28:00 PM
The piston rings were all free after soaking in evaporust overnight and they looked great without too much end gap so they went back in.
Got the head  and valve gear back on as well fuel tank repaired and sealed.
The pto pulley was on to far and rubbing the casting it's held with a taper key that was stuck. Welded three 5/16" nuts to the key and forced it out with bolts and heat then cut the nuts off and cleaned it up.
Now and paint it apart and reinstall with proper clearance.




Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 22, 2017, 01:31:45 PM
The valves are lubed by a oil trough that receives 3 drips per minute of crankcase oil, tubes feed the valve guide felts and a hollow shaft oils the rockers.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on February 05, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
Got the thing painted new decals and running. Now I just need to find something to belt up to it.

Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on February 05, 2017, 08:35:16 PM
As cool as that project is (and it truly is cool!)I'd be interested to hear about that fiberglass project in the background!   ;D

(http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=612.0;attach=6341;image)
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: Willie_B on February 05, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
That turned out well.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on February 05, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
Background car is a 64 factory fuel injected corvette, ordered with factory knock off wheels, 456 gears, 4 speed, a badass car.
It's a customer car we are doing a  full restoration shipped up from New York.

It was ordered to be raced and taken to Germany raced and driven hard on the autobahn, then shipped to England raced some more  Then the current owner bought it and after his work their shipped it back to  U.S.A. and drove it in New York for a while.

Needless to say the frame had rust issues and other wear and tear from hard use. We hope to complete the restoration by September of this year that will be just Ahead of our 2 year goal.  This is not a NCRS restoration however it will be correct just to nice for a NCRS car. 

A few pictures of progress not a great picture of when we first pulled the body but also has a Pantera we restored that won best of show at a concourse show in pebble beach and got some recognition from Jay Leno.

The body had many blisters in a 1980's repaint and a very strange yellowish 1/8" thick primer that didn't stick well we had to hand scrape off the entire car.
The frame was also nearly broken in two at the rear from a crash at some point.
After sand blast we repaired the cracks and rusted areas and sent it for powdercoat.
Every component will be rebuilt before reinstalling.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on February 05, 2017, 11:28:24 PM
Just for fun couple pics of a 63 we did to NCRS specs that has taken an award or two.  Green Lumber crayon marks for number of body shims, white ink frame# stencil applied with roller, screen printed GM logo rad hoses, correct clamps, white masking tape to hold body shims in place and left on the car, not to shiny of paint job, all that shit just like the factory did it in 63.


I'll post up more of the 64 fuelie as we go.




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Post by: towjoe on February 06, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Nice car!!
Regards
towjoe 77.gif
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on February 06, 2017, 02:50:32 PM
I had a small "other" project today, the wife's 2004 Audi Allroad 2.7 V-6 twin turbo wouldn't start, it's been too cold to do anything with it so I did some research. I got a DTC for the coolant temp sensor mounted on the back of the cylinder head. I asked the dealer, they weren't sure that would keep it from starting, another shop owner said no way Jose, it must be something else......I asked a couple of the other instructors - guys who teach diagnostics and engine performance and they said it absolutely would keep it from starting, finally I asked another instructor who works on a lot of VW products, she said she'd seen a lot of VWs not start because of it.

The part was less than $10 so I decided it was worth a try, but it was still too cold and nasty to work on it in the driveway...finally it warmed up a bit today so I went after it. It wasn't too hard to reach but I do not understand why manufacturers insist on using these magic puzzle connectors for all the electrical fittings, no two of them come apart the same way and you always have to puzzle out the secret handshake before the damn things will let go!

End game - I changed the sensor and the car started right up and ran perfectly!

20 min of work and a half pint of blood from scratching my arm as I tried to get one of those damn electrical connectors undone and the car is back on the road. Happy wife, happy life.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on February 07, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Yea whats with those connectors I hate em.

So the dealer and shop owner hadn't a clue, yet all the Instrutors know what's up.
Sounds like some folks need to go back to school.
I can't stand the ignorant shop owners or techs that give repair shops a bad name. Imagine if you had taken the Audi to that guy after way to much time money and parts it would still not be running because "no way Jose" that could cause it.

I have seen 100's of no starts due to coolant temp sensors. VW/Audi all the way back to the jetronic  injection systems of the 70's
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on February 07, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
I was surprised when it popped right off, but pleased!

I like the fact that our instructors were on top of this 100%......but the female instructor works full time at an import shop, she'd seen it many times just like you.
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Post by: jeff10049 on February 22, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
Our painter sprayed the 64 today.  Should be back on the frame next week.
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Post by: John Gervais on February 23, 2017, 08:01:38 AM
WOW!

Now that's a sexy car...   77.gif
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Post by: gr8kornholio on February 23, 2017, 08:44:58 AM
Quote from: John Gervais on February 23, 2017, 08:01:38 AM
WOW!

Now that's a sexy car...   77.gif

My thoughts exactly.   71.gif 20.gif
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Post by: Jims5543 on February 23, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: jeff10049 on February 22, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
Our painter sprayed the 64 today.  Should be back on the frame next week.

Familyguysploogepic.jpg


Damn.... just damn...

That is sex on wheels.

*right click save*

Please post more pics when done.
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Post by: jeff10049 on February 26, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
started the sand and buff process car gets sanded in 1500 grit to remove any dirt orange peel then 3000 grit then buffed with coarse cutting compound then polished.
Some pics of the door after sand and buff the polish will happen after final assembly.

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Post by: John Gervais on February 27, 2017, 05:21:50 AM
 :-\

WOW!  I thought it looked great before, but that door is AWESOME!!!  You're going to need some really good sunglasses, just for assembly!
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Post by: 94touring on February 27, 2017, 10:29:59 AM
Buffing is a lot of work but sure is rewarding.
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Post by: gr8kornholio on February 27, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
I'm really amazed and appreciate what paint and body guys can do.  :-\  I've never been into that end of it, I'm more the chassis and drive train guy. 
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Post by: jeff10049 on June 10, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
For those following the 64 Corvette.

It is back on the frame, dash/gauges has been restored, fuel unit gone through, it is running and running very well, the clock and radio were sent out and repaired.

What's left is interior, glass, final polish, bumpers, hood and emblems.

We will be about 6 months ahead of schedule the owner would like us to hang on to it for a bit and put some miles on it. We will also take it to a show this September. Then it's home to New York.



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Post by: SoCalMiniFan on August 22, 2017, 10:38:21 AM
A while back I posted about an '81 Air-Cooled Volkswagen Westfalia we were in the midst of purchasing (lusting over stupid vehicles).  Since it's been in our driveway I've been lusting over how to make it better with the only obstacle being in California and the SMOG laws and other things. So I've done my research and came up with a plan.  I will install a FrankenMotor.  It's got all the ancillaries of a CARB/SMOG legal approved 2.2 Subaru Engine with a 2.5 shortblock topped off with the 2.2heads.  This will give the extremely aerodynamic VW some major oomph in the power department. I have a guy in Southern Ca. that will do the build and is highly recommended amongst the FrankenMotor crowd.  I was going to keep the 2.2 engine stock and just do a full refresh on it but I want our VW to be killer.  I will do everything else myself, installing cooling/heating this means making a location for the radiator, all new suspension, 15 or16" wheels with a Big Disc Brake conversion all around.

I'm up in the air over doing a 5spd transmission or having the current 4spd fully gone through and refreshed since you know as soon as I hook up the engine the trans will blow to shreds even though it's in good working order right now.

So my first major milestone in the work was to obtain an engine, wiring harness, and matching ECU.  I fetched this beaut off Craigslist for a mere $100.00, I convinced AAA it was my daily driver and we "broke" down and had it towed out to a friends Mechanic shop so I could strip it of all the needed parts and have my friend scrap it for me.

So task #1 done. 
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: MiniDave on August 22, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Why not start with a 2.5 motor? or even a 2.5 turbo motor? They've been out long enough it seems like there should be some around......

What's the budget for the mechanicals?

I'd do the 5 speed......."do it right, do it once"
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: SoCalMiniFan on August 22, 2017, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 22, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Why not start with a 2.5 motor? or even a 2.5 turbo motor? They've been out long enough it seems like there should be some around......

What's the budget for the mechanicals?

I'd do the 5 speed.......

To get through the CARB/SMOG for California the 2.2 has had all the legal paperwork done and on file via Kennedy Engineering and if I use their conversion kit I'm provided all the legal work and barcode I need to basically just roll into a SMOG station and be on my way. 

To get a little more low-end/torque I can do the Frankenmotor without having to present to the CARB/SMOG or deal with any of that plus the 2.5 heads notoriously leak and fail so the 2.2/2.5 combo kind of makes this perfect combination engine. It should be rock solid and totally California compliant.

In my real dreams I had visions of the 3.3 SVX or the 3.6H6 engine but with that much HP I'd have to do a LOT of suspension work and fetch hard to find trailing arms from the Synchro Vans and it somewhat opened a can of worms.  Also from what I've read CA BAR has NEVER passed or approved a 3.3/3.6 conversion no matter how hard people have tried. 

The 2.2 minus the 2.5 add-on is pretty plug and play. 

As far as budget.... well that's debatable. My biggest expense will be on the engine build.

I paid $100 for the car and then scrapped if for $400.00 and sold the wheels/tires off it for another $100 so I'm still in the green! Check back in a few months!!!
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Post by: MiniDave on August 22, 2017, 11:23:47 AM
Yep, Ca. can be a royal PITA for old car owners.......I understand England is just as bad, not only are there MOT issues, but you have to report any mods from stock to the insurance co too, if you have a claim and the car was insured as stock and it isn't - they can/will deny the claim.

Out here in the great flyover, you can do whatever you want......they really don't care. Not only do we not require a concealed carry permit, we don't have state inspections or emissions testing.....surprisingly, I find the cars from Missouri (where they do have annual inspections) to be in far worse shape that what I see on the roads with Ks plates.

I've put $20K max on my project, but hope to come in under $15K.
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Post by: BruceK on August 22, 2017, 12:14:55 PM
It's a damn shame and very ironic that California, arguably the most car-crazy state in the nation, is also the state that makes it most difficult to be an automobile enthusiast.   Seems like there should be some sort of smog exemption for older, collector cars or other cars of interest.  Like a rolling 25 years   

Even the UK is removing the need for cars to get an MOT once they are past a certain age.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: SoCalMiniFan on August 22, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 22, 2017, 11:23:47 AM

I've put $20K max on my project, but hope to come in under $15K.

I'm trying to roll in under $10K for everything I want to do including suspension and modifying the interior of the camper a bit.  I'm confident I will bring this project in way under. Companies that specialize in the Engine conversions on these Vanagon/Westfalia's are starting at $12k and that's without the engine! Another company starts the conversions at $20K.  I've priced out to have my engine done for about $3k.

I've met people that have done this conversion comfortably under $5k, including the cost of the donor car. They've skipped the engine rebuild and just did a solid refresh on it but my engine is rolling on 200K miles and once it's in I don't want to have to pull it for a while. 

Quote from: BruceK on August 22, 2017, 12:14:55 PM
It's a damn shame and very ironic that California, arguably the most car-crazy state in the nation, is also the state that makes it most difficult to be an automobile enthusiast.   Seems like there should be some sort of smog exemption for older, collector cars or other cars of interest.  Like a rolling 25 years   

I wish there was a rolling 25yrs.  There was talk about changing the SMOG cut off from 1975 to 1980 but I'd miss it by a year with our Westy.  Diesel engines can be as new as 1997 without requiring SMOG.  I wish I had really researched that a bit before getting our Westy because I would have most definitely found one and then done whatever engine conversion I damn well pleased!  Sadly any remaining Diesel Westy's are hard to come by in decent shape as they were the worst of the worst!  Our '81 is in MINT condition and I'm grateful that I will have to do ZERO body work, even the undercarriage is in mint condition.
Title: Re: 'Other' restorations/projects
Post by: jeff10049 on January 21, 2018, 12:03:42 AM
 how's the westfalia coming along?

The 64 Corvette will be shipping home soon I'll post some more pictures later and a few now these fuel injected corvettes are unlike any other driving experience the throttle response is insane. while a lot of modern cars are faster there is just something about these mechanically injected cars that's bad ass.