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Title: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 14, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
What is your secret sauce to loosen old rusty stuff?
I have used Kroil for awhile and it has gotten 5 of 7 out of this manifold.
Successive heating and then cooling with an ice cube is not working on the last two.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: jedduh01 on April 14, 2020, 11:59:13 AM
Propane is OK heat, but isnt MAP Gas Hotter ( for in the bottle with a nozzle gas)?

But I have the Oxy Acetylene.   Get it cherry red.. Spin em out.. That is really trying to only get the manifold glowing red to expand. and no so much heat on the stud if and where possible.

Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: MiniDave on April 14, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Jedduh is right, not enough heat from propane.

But you might try this.....get it plenty hot (the manifold around the stud) and rub a candle on the stud, the heat will draw the wax in around the stud, then try tightening it first, then loosen it.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 14, 2020, 01:01:18 PM
I will make a trip to the hardware store. I have time as other parts I need are slow in coming.

Kroil works pretty well and wicks into edges, but I may try the candle as well.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: MiniDave on April 14, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
I use Kroil a lot, but the candle trick works right now. With Kroil you have to let it set a few days and work it's way into the threads.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 15, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
Patience, MAP gas, paraffin or blu-torch WD

At least one of those got them out
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: BruceK on April 15, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on April 15, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
Patience, MAP gas, paraffin or blu-torch WD

At least one of those got them out

What about cussing?  I usually try that first! 

And second.

And third.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 15, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
I have remained pretty calm about the manifold. The manifold cost £29.99 on ebay plus a few hours.

I have saved my cussing for Tesla solar installers
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: MPlayle on April 16, 2020, 05:43:59 AM
That is a different looking manifold.  I have not seen that kind of a join with that "cross-over" slot that looks like it also goes into a third passage.

From the first picture, it looks to be the bottom join of an exhaust manifold?  What style?

Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: 94touring on April 16, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
Usually soaking in some kind of PB-blaster or similar penetrant for a day or two aided with some propane heat does the trick, but not always. My worst stuck moment was an 02 sensor in an SPI manifold. It required an acetylene torch and it being glowing hot.  Tightening first is a trick that helps too.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 16, 2020, 09:26:06 AM
It is an SPi/MPi cast manifold. It requires the later type of downpipe. Maniflow makes one.

It has a provision for the narrowband O2 sensor. It may not be in an ideal location for a sensor- too close to the head. It needs minor modification to be used with a wide band.

Over the years it had received not too bad of reviews. I switched from LCBs to this style to reduce noise and I got tired of the "Y" connection loosening and leaking.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 16, 2020, 09:29:41 AM
It also has a provision for a heat shield.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: MPlayle on April 16, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
That makes sense now.  I had just not seen that manifold from the angles you showed and got confused.

Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: Jimini II on April 16, 2020, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: tmsmini on April 16, 2020, 09:26:06 AM
It is an SPi/MPi cast manifold. It requires the later type of downpipe. Maniflow makes one.

It has a provision for the narrowband O2 sensor. It may not be in an ideal location for a sensor- too close to the head. It needs minor modification to be used with a wide band.

Over the years it had received not too bad of reviews. I switched from LCBs to this style to reduce noise and I got tired of the "Y" connection loosening and leaking.

Calver did some testing years ago comparing these with LCB's
The SPI manifold flowed better than most LCB's he tested and of course the noise level was better.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: tmsmini on April 16, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
That Titan stuff looks pretty amazing.
They have metric items as well. The manifold uses metric studs and bolts.
The little 6 mm bolts that attach the heat shield are real buggers, I may go for titanium for those.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: Willie_B on April 16, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: tmsmini on April 16, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
They have metric items as well. The manifold uses metric studs and bolts.
The little 6 mm bolts that attach the heat shield are real buggers, I may go for titanium for those.

I had manifold ceramic coated, then Ididn't need the heat shield. But I am also running a carb, not FI.
Title: Re: Rusted Manifold Studs
Post by: MiniDave on April 16, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
That ceramic coating on cast iron is the tits isn't it? Love that stuff!