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Title: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2015, 01:41:54 PM
Any of you follow BaT -Bring a Trailer?

Currently this one is for sale now..... http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini/)

There's also this racecar..... http://bringatrailer.com/2015/01/06/class-chameleon-1968-austin-mini-racer/ (http://bringatrailer.com/2015/01/06/class-chameleon-1968-austin-mini-racer/)

This Vtec "kit" sold recently - and surprised me how much it brought.... http://bringatrailer.com/listing/64-morrismini-clubman-estate-wagon/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/64-morrismini-clubman-estate-wagon/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Mudhen on January 10, 2015, 06:40:33 AM
I'm an avid BAT-er... 4.gif

That race car is a LOT of car for the money - man, wish I could afford it, even if just for the motor and the dog box...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
I'm surprised how many have been on there....there was an Innocenti that sold last month too...

The first one will be interesting to see what it brings....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on January 12, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
Almost worth buying some of them just for the engines, I need an engine.  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 12, 2015, 04:27:08 PM
Hard to beat an engine from 7 Ent for value......by the time I finished mine I was only a couple thou cheaper than what they sell one of their rebuilt motors with gearbox for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Mudhen on January 12, 2015, 05:44:19 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 12, 2015, 04:27:08 PM
Hard to beat an engine from 7 Ent for value......by the time I finished mine I was only a couple thou cheaper than what they sell one of their rebuilt motors with gearbox for.

I'd like to just get a Swiftune setup with dog box and be done with it.  Any idea of the cost of one of those setups?  $20k?  I was on there today ooogling over parts I can't afford and once again thinking, 'does anyone really buy stuff here a'la carte?'  Too many options for my simple mind.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on January 21, 2015, 12:53:15 PM
BAT sure has changed over the years it used to be a place where you could buy a barn find car for a decent price then trailer it home. Now you buy a car for 50-60K and put it in an enclosed trailer to protect it on its way home.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 21, 2015, 03:07:18 PM
Yes, it does seem to cater to the more expensive stuff now.....but then there are only so many barns..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2015, 02:02:44 PM
Today BAT is selling their own MkI, with no reserve.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini/)

(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1960-Morris-Mini-Minor-Mk1-White-For-Sale-Cooper-S-Rear-e1424911189597-940x636.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
Anyone currently watching the Minis on BAT?

There have been some crazy high prices over the past several months.   

This one is just about to be sold:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-cooper/

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on September 26, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
I just checked that one about 3 days ago and I thought it was sitting around 6k....They really jump in last hours of the auction.  There was a moke sold for 35K the other day and this 60 from a couple weeks ago sort of surprised me a bit

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-850-t-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
That Moke selling price was crazy IMO.  And so was the price for the "rough but somewhat original" 1960 Mini 850.   

But I guess this might reflect a change in the Mini market.    Great if you are selling, not so great if you want to buy. 

Perhaps time to call my insurance company and increase my coverage for my Mini...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 26, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
If anyone wants a crazy priced car, I have a 67 cooper S that can be built to spec  4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 29, 2016, 04:31:18 PM
There is currently an Oz Moke on BAT to be auctioned there.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-australian-moke/

My guess is it will sell for $20K to $22K at that venue. 

BTW, I use a pseudonym on that site.  I am LarryH when I post there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 29, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
That 200K mile purple Jag brought $57,500!!!!!

I know the guy that owns it and he took it on the Southwest Oil Leak tour a few years ago, I was going to go on that but could not get off work long enough. They still do them but I haven't kept up since I've been Mini-ing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 29, 2016, 04:31:18 PM
There is currently an Oz Moke on BAT to be auctioned there.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-australian-moke/

My guess is it will sell for $20K to $22K at that venue. 

BTW, I use a pseudonym on that site.  I am LarryH when I post there.

That Moke just sold for $22,250, pretty darn close to the high end I guesstimated.  And substantially less than the British Moke the week before that sold for $35K. 

I think Mini values might just be going up a little.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
There a couple of Mk. I Minis for auction on BAT. 

This car was just listed, but I think this kind of tatty but very original 1965 Cooper S will bring about $40K, maybe even more. 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mini-cooper-s/


And I think this 1966 Mini 850 from New Zealand will go for about $12K.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mini-mk-i/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
Is that 850 a Hydro car? I didn't know they did the hydro suspension on 850's......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 18, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
Is that 850 a Hydro car? I didn't know they did the hydro suspension on 850's......

Yup.  All Mk. I and Mk. II Minis got Hydrolastic from about 1964 to about 1970 (with the exception of the Moke and the long wheelbase wagons/vans/pickups). 

Even the Riley Elf and Wolseley Hornet got the wet suspension.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: TJF on October 19, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already. The 850 on the other hand looks like a good deal with 22 hours remaining. Anyone here in Atlanta and know the car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 19, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: TJF on October 19, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already.

Yes, but.  The Cooper S is already at $30K as I write this, with 5+ days left to go.  Unless some major flaw about the car is unearthed and people continue post enthusiastic comments about it, I am revising my guesstimate and I think it could go north of $50K.  Which is crazy, consider it is pretty tatty-looking.  But unrestored is now the rage for some people, and I think this one will have 'legs'.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on October 20, 2016, 12:36:24 PM
An original finish in unrestored condition is what every collector looks for and not just in car collecting. You can never reapply an original finish. Even just buffing it out would probably lower it's value. Shiney isn't everyone's ultimate goal.

Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Well, the Mini 850 on BAT didn't make the reserve.  Bidding only rose to just under $7K.   

However, I still think the Cooper S will go for big bucks. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 25, 2016, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 19, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: TJF on October 19, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
The Cooper S is above what I would pay for it already.

Yes, but.  The Cooper S is already at $30K as I write this, with 5+ days left to go.  Unless some major flaw about the car is unearthed and people continue post enthusiastic comments about it, I am revising my guesstimate and I think it could go north of $50K.  Which is crazy, consider it is pretty tatty-looking.  But unrestored is now the rage for some people, and I think this one will have 'legs'.

The '65 Cooper S auction at BAT just completed.  It sold for $43K.    A bit under my guesstimate of $50K, but that's a lot of money for an very original, but scrappy-looking authentic 1275 Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 25, 2016, 04:35:27 PM
I suppose that's a better value than the one that sold for $55K and needed everything done to it, but still......

Gives you a market to shoot for on your 67 S, doesn't it Dan?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 25, 2016, 04:43:10 PM
Yeah after seeing these insane prices decided to build the car for myself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 14, 2016, 04:46:07 PM
Now there's a Moke on BaT. 

It is just a bit of project, but perhaps it will be priced accordingly? 

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/11/14/no-reserve-1967-mini-moke-project/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 14, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
"Under $1000 at the time of this writing"

But yeah, just a bit of a project.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 14, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
It is also posted on Mini Mania for about $780.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on November 15, 2016, 06:45:18 AM
I wish it was on my side of the country, that has all the potential to be brought right back!    I know  you could blast it,  weld it = clean it up = re sell for profit still dissassembled.   1K is still a bargain...

Who can go get it ,. store it while i can prepare to pick it up?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on November 15, 2016, 10:38:48 PM
Well Shit, I missed this could of grabbed it in a weekend.
Oh well I have two other projects waiting.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2016, 09:19:05 AM
Sold for over $2600!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 18, 2016, 04:25:05 PM
There's another Mini for sale on BaT.    And it's a Mk. I, but, and of course it has been modified a little.   Some things might not be to everyones' tastes.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-2/

My guess is that this Mini, baring any surprises about its condition, will sell for about $15K or so.   What do you think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 18, 2016, 05:15:47 PM
The suspension sits a little low.  The flag door cards are not to my taste, but otherwise seems a nice car.

The way BAT auctions have been going lately, I would be tempted to say it might go between $18K and $20K.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 18, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
Boy they sure do go on about whether it's a "Cooper " or not......over here they're pretty much all Mini Coopers......I think it will struggle to get much over $10K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 19, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Yeah, some items not to my taste. 

Not a single mention of rust (or no rust) because some things are polarizing people.   I definitely think there are simple things that could be done to make it more "Mini" which would help it appeal to more potential buyers.    What's the deal with not using Mini gauges, or at least ones that look like Mini ones?  Seats are not my taste either. A grille with no grille surround?   The cheap Mini 25 wheel arches painted blue are the first thing that I'd change, replacing with the chrome trim that looks so good on an early Mini.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 19, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
In some of the comments it said the door cards were just thin plywood with the flag painted on them....

I think one guy hopes the negative comments continue, so he can buy it cheaper. In the comments they said it only got to $7500 at a recent auction, but the owner said that was a muscle car auction and there was no real interest in either his car or the other British car at the sale.

At any rate, it will be interesting to see which mods kill a car and which ones enhance it.

Seats look comfy to me, if not particularly good or appropriate, but then I had a Miata seat in mine.......

One other thing that kinda gripes me, and I see this in a lot of car ads......why can't they vacuum the interior before a photo shoot for an ad?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 26, 2016, 10:25:59 AM
The Blue Mini sold for $17,777..............
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on November 26, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
BAT seems to bring big money for some stuff. Although I have seen some deals here and there if I wanted to sell a car I'd certainly give it a try. That mini went about 7k higher than I would of thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 26, 2016, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: jeff10049 on November 26, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
BAT seems to bring big money for some stuff. Although I have seen some deals here and there if I wanted to sell a car I'd certainly give it a try. That mini went about 7k higher than I would of thought.
Yeah.  A couple grand more than I thought.  Michael said between $18K and $20K, and he pretty much nailed it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 01, 2016, 10:08:18 PM
Not on BaT, but definitely one I've never seen before - and it's here in the US!

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html (http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html)

(http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/uploads/photoalbum/1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile-1.JPG)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 07:10:43 AM
(I think you pasted the wrong link above - it goes to a Mini parts supplier)

Looks like that may be one of the fiberglass-bodied Minis from Chile?  Or the later ones, MiniCord, from Venezuela? 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 02, 2016, 07:52:54 AM
Yep, wrong link.....and yes, fiberglass bodied Mini made in Chile for sale in Tenn, $7500 asking price ....weird looking car, I'll see if I can find the link again.

Edit: Link corrected.....

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html (http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/austin/32719-1969-austin-mini-1000-fiberglass-body-made-in-chile.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
I saw one of these at the British Motor Heritage museum in Gaydon about 20 years ago.  They look kinda of weird to eyes used to seeing regular Minis - the details are so different.   

Back in the 1990s, I was very interested in buying a new MiniCord, which was another, different, fiberglass Mini.  Much better looking IMO (they even molded in the weld seams -- and flares too).  There was a guy in Florida who was importing MiniCords from Venezuela where they were produced by an established company that specialized in building fiberglass truck cabs.  I received a MiniCord brochure and keychain, and t-shirt.  I was ready to pull the trigger.  Then the Feds were not as on top of <25 year imports back then, but the were smart enough to put a stop to the MiniCord cars coming here.

Here's one.  Note the unusual roof gutter. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 02, 2016, 08:20:01 AM
Here's a link to a photo album of a MiniCord.  Lots of little detail differences:

http://www.hotrodcolombia.com/?page_id=385
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on December 04, 2016, 01:41:27 PM
that would be fun to have I could drive it in the winter without the rust worry. I would think it to be safer/stronger car as well. 

I bid on a nice 53 ford prefect on bat last week but it went over my bid. Almost wishing id gone higher now... But I'm really looking for a Model A ford. Anyone a project model a for sale?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1953-ford-prefect/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Technically, this 1970 Mini 1000 Mk. II is not for sale on BAT, (it's being offered on eBay), but it is featured on BAT.

Said to rust-free, it looks very original. The Mk. II Minis are pretty rare since they were not built for very long - and very few got in to the US before the door shut in 1968.   

Ebay auctions are weird things, so it is difficult to estimate what it will sell for.  My guess is $8K to $10K, but if it was a BAT auction, I'd say easily $12K with the right seller participation. 

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/12/06/lhd-euro-import-1970-austin-mini-1000/



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 09, 2016, 02:48:59 PM
Looks like the first auction was stopped for some reason, and the Mini has been listed again:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Austin-MINI-MKII-Super-Luxe-Saloon-/201743801405?rmvSB=true
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 15, 2016, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 06, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Ebay auctions are weird things, so it is difficult to estimate what it will sell for.  My guess is $8K to $10K ...

Sold for $8K.  Somebody got a nice, original Mini for that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 15, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
That looks like it was well bought for $8K......

I saw a thread on The Mini Forum (UK) that claims Mini prices are dropping over there....might be a good time to pick some up?

Hard to understand when someone in England paid $55K for a "barn find" Cooper S this past summer, but who knows? I'm sure they were talking about garden variety 70's and 80's 998s and such.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2016, 12:16:34 PM
Here's a nice Mk. I Cooper S on Hemmings.    Lots of modifications, including a rear wiper.  Seems priced kinda high to me.  But maybe not considering the prices paid for other, non-running Mk. I Cooper S cars lately?

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mini/cooper-s/1897691.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
Another Mini offered on a BAT auction:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-leyland-mini-1000/

This one used to live in New Zealand and has a some very unusual rust.     Well, actually, it's regular old rust, but it is in an unusual place. 

My guess is that it will sell for $7500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
BAT is also featuring a "big Mini", an MG 1100 for sale too:

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/11/badge-engineering-champion-1967-mg-1100/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 10:20:26 PM
Spot the unique difference on this Mini Van from Oklahoma.

Just sold on eBay for $4,000.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Mini-Classic-Mini-Custom-/272517160276?rmvSB=true&nma=true&si=YosW5407s39MysXWUxCMD81mUbQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Tim on January 14, 2017, 07:31:13 AM
It's had a few mods to the doors...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 14, 2017, 08:15:13 AM
Lets see.......according to the ad

Rear wheel drive!

New 11 gallon gas tank!

Leather interior!  (I saw one seat?)

Front scope!

Refinished headliner!

Sold right down the road from our man Dan, wonder if he bought this to go with Rusty?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 14, 2017, 08:22:09 AM
Lol I do not need any more projects!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
Why would someone fit suicide doors to a Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 18, 2017, 07:51:21 AM
There's a pretty nice rally Mini featured over on BAT now.   It's on eBay with a Buy it Now of $34K

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/17/2nd-in-class-at-targa-newfoundland-1962-austin-mini-cooper/

(http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574639392&toolid=10001&campid=5336656605&customid=1962-mini-classic-mini-mini-cooper-ebay&icep_item=252727900724&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2017, 09:22:05 AM
I saw that.....did the other two on BaT sell yet?

Just checked, the Leyland 1000 is at $3800 with 5 hours to go, so we'll see where it finishes up around 3 this afternoon....

I noticed that really nice blue Cooper S at Mecum Jim posted did not sell at $34K....a buddy in Va was bidding on it, I guess it crossed his limit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 18, 2017, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 13, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
Another Mini offered on a BAT auction:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-leyland-mini-1000/

This one used to live in New Zealand and has a some very unusual rust.     Well, actually, it's regular old rust, but it is in an unusual place. 

My guess is that it will sell for $7500.

It just sold for $7,300 with a lot of bidding activity at the end.    Seems to be a very good place to sell. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2017, 03:24:52 PM
Did you see the wagon for sale in Seattle? $11,500 and a really nice woody wagon......I'll see if I can find the ad.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc (http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 10:30:08 AM
BAT is featuring one of the limited edition ERA Mini Turbos, which is offered for under $30K.   

Not everyone's cup of tea, but a significant model in Mini history.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/18/rare-era-turbo-1990-mini-in-texas
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 19, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Wow, did you see how crowded that engine compartment is with the turbo and A/C? Yikes!  :-\

I tried to buy one of those out of Canada aboot 10 years ago but could not get it into the US due to the 25 year rule - I had a 27K car for just over $10 grand......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 19, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Wow, did you see how crowded that engine compartment is with the turbo and A/C? Yikes!  :-\

I tried to buy one of those out of Canada aboot 10 years ago but could not get it into the US due to the 25 year rule - I had a 27K car for just over $10 grand......
Yeah, the engine bay is a nightmare. But at least there is the simplicity of no computer/no fuel injection.

A car like this for $10K would have been a great deal and very tempting. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 19, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
The Canadian one didn't have A/C, and was left drive so it was a bit simpler......not much tho. It was bright red too!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 18, 2017, 03:24:52 PM
Did you see the wagon for sale in Seattle? $11,500 and a really nice woody wagon......I'll see if I can find the ad.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc (http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14159/1962_Austin_Countryman_Wagon_850cc)
That's a bargain.  If he put it back together he could ask a lot more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 23, 2017, 10:27:09 AM
Not something you see everyday, a DIESEL powered Mini:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5898106263.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
So they offered a diesel in the Metro? Makes sense that they would in Europe but I had never heard of it.....

I don't know why but these wheels look awful on that car - I've seen plenty of 13" wheels that look fine on a Mini (my car has them too) but for some reason these don't.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 23, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
They used a Peugeot 1.4 diesel in the later Metros, not very powerful but 50 plus mpg all day long.
Those wheels look like they are being used with wide spacers as the offset is not that wide, i guess that is why he is using massive mudflaps as well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 23, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
Could the wide stance be dictated by the front suspension?  If the whole setup from the diesel Metro was transferred, did it have a wider track then the Mini, thus requiring the rear to be spaced out to match?  (Kind of like many of the Honda motor transplants.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Most of the Honda transplants use stock Mini suspension, so the track is standard, they may use disc brakes that use wheels with a wider offset and stance.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 25, 2017, 08:36:07 PM
Make your own?

A Mini mold:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5959918547.html

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 26, 2017, 07:45:46 AM
That was also posted over on Mini Mania.  Over there, the seller has indicated it sold.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
I'll see your Honda V-Tec and raise you a V-8!

Not on BaT, but interesting nonetheless......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/V8-Mini-Not-Track-day-Hotrod-Cooper-Dragcar-Caterham-Kit-car-Road-legal-/132079528085?hash=item1ec08da895:g:DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/V8-Mini-Not-Track-day-Hotrod-Cooper-Dragcar-Caterham-Kit-car-Road-legal-/132079528085?hash=item1ec08da895:g:DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/DycAAOSwZQRYdyS7/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 30, 2017, 08:42:28 AM
That thing is wild!    I'm trying to understand the exhaust arrangement - looking at the engine it looks like there are headers going right up and out to an exit in the A-panel.  But I don't see that when I look at the car with the front clip on.    In fact I see dual exhausts in the rear just on either side of the backup and fog lights.   

Perhaps the side exit exhaust didn't pass muster at MOT time? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
or, it's a cutout for drag racing, then a pipe goes down each side to the back? Or we're seeing pics from different periods in it's construction? I dunno....I was confused also.

But I imagine it goes like stink (at least in a straight line), makes great noises and is loud as hell inside!

Reminds me of when my friend and I (at age 15-16) put a bored out 283 in a Ford Anglia......

I saw where Joltfreak is selling his V-8 Mini also, his is done differently, he has a front drive V-8 out of a Chevy SS mounted in the rear of his......similar idea to what I'm planning to do with the Ecoboost Mini, but I'm going the other way - smaller, lightweight engine making "enough" power
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
This nice B series Vtec Mini sold for $19,999 on BaT yesterday......

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-austin-mini/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-austin-mini/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/58a6b95a33e3b_IMG_0603-940x618.jpg)

And this Phil Wicks race Mini (driven by Mr. Wicks hisownself) may bring pretty close to the same money! Currently at $17K with 38 minutes to go in the auction.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-1275/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-1275/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/58ade79ec652e_Screen-Shot-2017-02-22-at-11.29.24-AM-940x667.png)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
Hoping the end of the race mini is more exciting than the vtec.  Figured at the 19,999 it had topped out and I was right.  No last hours bidding on it at all. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2017, 01:09:58 PM
It is unfortunate the VTEC Mini had the Cyrano de Bergerac nose extension.    I think that put some people off.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 01:11:35 PM
Even so, I was surprised to see it sell at this price.....

Reserve not met on the Wicks race car......at $17,750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
On the vtec, I'm not convinced it was worth much more.  Maybe worth isn't the right word, but the old adage is "It's only worth what someone is willing to pay." 

I've shopped them for awhile, and they definitely top out.  Seen several similar builds to that one, even without the extended nose, a little above and below 20K.  The SUPER nice ones seem to languish in the 30s forever before being lowered below 30 and probably sell for even less.  35K is a lot for a toy rocket.

I think it's the car. Most people shopping for a classic mini aren't after neck snapping acceleration.  Who needs to accelerate if you don't have to slow down in the first place.  It's the joy of the drive.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a beast vtec mini, but I think in general there is a very small market for them and people sink way too much money into building them.  Custom cars have horrible return on investment, especially if you pay someone else to do the work.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2017, 06:16:20 PM
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-morris-mini-850-l/#comment-1414129

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
This is a nice Authi Mini, but being an 850 makes it pretty much a town only car.....33 hp doesn't get you much over 60 mph, and it will take a week to get there!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 03, 2017, 07:34:48 AM
My WAG on that Spanish 850 on BAT is that it will be sold for $8,500. 

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 03, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
I think that's a realistic value, but I think the reserve will be higher than that......maybe $10K.

When I compare this car to the 81 for sale locally that has rust and a 998 for $10K, I'd rather have the rust free 850 for the same money.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 03, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
10K was about what I was thinking for the reserve.  See if it'll get there.  The fairly rusted green one from a month ago hit 7900 I believe.  Don't recal what motor it had. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
1963 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1  In Dallas!!!  Would love to check this out in person.  If the zipcode is accurate, this is really close to me.  GBtollway and NDtollway

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/58bc9c4dbb4d3_25-940x723.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
Very interesting.  Looks like it's been in storage.   Austin-badged, but with a Morris grille. 

Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Here you go.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-3/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-3/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
So what makes this a Morris grille?  Educate me.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2017, 08:03:28 PM
Oh, and the Authi 850 brought $12374, more than I thought it would......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2017, 07:57:53 PM
So what makes this a Morris grille?  Educate me.
The size and shape of the slats means it is a Morris Mark I Cooper grill which was used on the Cooper models, and not on any of the non-Cooper Minis.  Regular Morris Minis got a stamped grille, white on early cars and chrome on later ones.   

Austin Mini Coopers got a grille with thinner slats.  And many non-Cooper Austin Minis got a wavy grille -  you'll know it when you see it   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 11, 2017, 08:17:06 AM
Yea, just googled mini MK1 grilles, and see the 3 distinctly different types.  So mine looks like this one, but what I've seen from the Australian cars is nothing seems to match convention. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
I seem to recall reading on a different forum a post from folks in Australia that all Minis down there were branded as "Morris".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 11, 2017, 09:16:50 AM
That's what I've read/heard too, but mine didn't come with the correct badges and can't find any designation in the VIN that indicates Morris.  One of these days I'll send my VIN to the heritage place and hope they can shed some light on it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 11, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
Mark, for a regular Mk. I Mini VIN starts with A, it's an Austin, if with a M, it's a Morris.  At least that was BMC's practice for the  Longbridge and Cowley factories in the UK.  Not sure if they stuck to that with the CKD cars for other markets. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 17, 2017, 03:17:50 PM
Reserve not met.  Way to absentee of a seller.  Even one guy posted about his experience trying to call him.  Shady car with shady seller.  Not surprised at the outcome.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 18, 2017, 03:59:14 AM
There coming out of the wood work as they say.  Here's another one on BAT this morning.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-innocenti-mini/

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1972-Innocenti-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
Did you all see that 2006 MINI on BaT with 226K miles brought $9K!?!?!??!??!    :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 19, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
Yea, but I think he'd mentioned somewhere near the end that it was equivalent to about half the cost of the modifications and rebuild cost.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2017, 12:16:18 PM
two hundred twenty six THOUSAND Miles.........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 24, 2017, 08:18:39 PM
There's been some Mini action recently on BAT.

This Innocenti Mini Cooper sold on BAT for just $13K.  I think that was a bargain for a pretty rare Mini.   Kinda looked like the auction winner wasn't ready to have actually won it.   Oops!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-innocenti-mini/



This Van with windows from New Zealand reminds me of my old Morris Mini Traveller - same colors.  I bet this this will go for about $12K, maybe more.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-van
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:03:17 AM
The Morris mini van is my brothers. I built the roof rack. The sliding windows are a challenge during the summers down here to flow enough air to cool off. The roof vent does help though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Two brothers who are both into Minis and they both have Minis from New Zealand?   Wow.   Small world.   I wish my brother was into Minis instead of just motorcycles. 

By the way, I'm "LarryH" making comments on BAT.  Not sure why I used that name, but it was like 5 years ago and I sticking with it. 

I think BAT is a great place to sell interesting vehicles (so much better than eBay or one of the traditional car auctions)  but BAT seems to take a seller who is very engaged and responds to the various questions comments.  I've seen auctions fall apart because the seller didn't respond, or worse, seemed to take offense at comments. Looks like your brother is off to a good start and I wish him the best of luck with the auction. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 25, 2017, 08:46:47 AM
I saw that one last week while trolling craigslist adds.  Was gonna mention it to willie b since it was in Georgia.  That's funny that it's his brothers.  Mini world.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 10:19:30 AM
My brother got me interested in minis. It's all his fault. I did have a bugeye sprite back in the early 80's, it was a hoot to drive also.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 25, 2017, 01:47:28 PM
Did your brother import it from NZ himself?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 25, 2017, 02:53:31 PM
Based upon how much interest there has been in the Mini Van so far, I think there may be a lot of bidders and it may go for a healthy amount. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 26, 2017, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.

From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 09:03:00 AM
Lots of continued interest (and bids) on the Mini Van with 3 days left...


And it's like Dave's Mini and Don's Mini had a kid:

A BRG Mini with a VTEC.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/03/28/vtec-swapped-1963-austin-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 28, 2017, 09:49:48 AM
That vtec is one crazy potato head.  I'm gonna say a little pricey for the description and possible issues/unfinished looks.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:03:17 AM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 28, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:03:17 AM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?

I think so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 28, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 28, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:03:17 AM
The Morris mini van is my brothers.

Is that a BRG Special Edition Miata in his garage?

I think so.

Just thinking how similar that is to the situation I was in.  I owned a Mini Traveller in the same red and white colors as your brother's Mini Van, which I sold and bought a BRG Miata Special Edition.  I liked that car a lot, but I really missed owning a Mini.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 29, 2017, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 25, 2017, 02:53:31 PM
Based upon how much interest there has been in the Mini Van so far, I think there may be a lot of bidders and it may go for a healthy amount.

With two days left in the auction, it's at $9500 with a lot of active bidders - reflecting well on both the quality of the car as well as how engaged your brother is in providing information and responding to comments. So... I'm going to revise my $12K guesstimate and say this Mini will sell from $15K to $17K.  Maybe more.   I wish your brother good luck with the auction. 

Brad, will the sale of this car leave your brother Mini-less? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 29, 2017, 08:25:12 AM
He will have no more minis after this one sells. He has the Miata for fun when the need arises.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 29, 2017, 09:14:50 AM
After like 38 years of continually owning at least one (sometimes more) classic Minis of one type or another, I sold my Mini Traveller and purchased a pristine 20+ year old BRG Miata as a sort of hobby/fun car replacement.   But as much as I loved the Miata, it only lasted 4 years with me as I felt I really needed to get back to owning a Mini again. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 29, 2017, 10:01:07 AM
And look how much more fun you're having with this one - now that you're using it and not just laving it in the garage!   77.gif

I had my 62 Cooper S from 68 to about 78, and didn't get another till 2014, but I'm glad I did as I really have fun with the little clown cars, I drive this green one almost every day.

An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 29, 2017, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 29, 2017, 10:01:07 AM
An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.

I'd agree, the quickest way to submarine your BaT auction as a seller is to be absent or stand-offish.  Really enjoy the ones where the seller is present and active.  Makes for way better comment conversation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on March 29, 2017, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 29, 2017, 10:01:07 AM
An actively engaged seller like this seems to really boost the buyers interest, and hopefully the price too.

I'd agree, the quickest way to submarine your BaT auction as a seller is to be absent or stand-offish.  Really enjoy the ones where the seller is present and active.  Makes for way better comment conversation.
On the other hand, it looks like some potential buyers are really expecting Brad's brother to jump through hoops in the final hours of this week-long auction: there are requests for not only for cylinder compression tests, but also for pictures to verify the compression tests.   Plus now they want a bunch of videos to be made and to suddenly appear on BAT.   Geez. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on March 31, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
In the walk around video you get a good look at the roof rack I built for him several years ago. He just resealed the wood so it looks sharp.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
The bidding on the Mini Van petered out at just under $11,000, so the "reserve not met" situation was not a surprise.   As I said earlier I expected it to go for $15,000 or more.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 02:54:13 PM
It is back up on Mini Mania classifieds with a price of $14500.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
Kinda surprised by bidder MiniGuy's intensive last minute requests for a lot of additional detailed information about the car, followed by his not-so-intensive bidding.  It was clearer with each new bit of information that nobody could find any negatives or objections - the additional info just reinforced it is a great Mini. 

Of course I was not a bidder myself, so maybe some might think I shouldn't comment on that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
If the bidder MiniGuy is the same Michael Lewis that does the MiniGuy consignment website, then he was probably researching the car for a potential client/buyer in asking all of the questions and would likely try to do an "buy it now" type offer after the end of the auction if it did not sell and his buyer was in fact interested.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
It is the same MiniGuy, and he started to annoy me with all the references to his own site thru out his comments.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 04:57:55 PM
Yeah that's him. 

However, a more cynical person might possibly believe that all the comments and questions, and special requests, sprinkled liberally with near-constant references to his own website and Mini business, could have a more self-serving purpose of generating exposure and traffic to his website.   

I've noted he has bid on many Minis on BaT (over 17 of them), but his bids stop before he gets anywhere close to the actual value of the cars - a strategy that means he has yet to win a single auction there.

Again, I have never been a bidder in BaT, so I'm being a bit of an armchair quarterback.  But  I would file this under things that make you go Hmmmmmmm. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
 I was typing my response and missed reading Dave's comments before posting mine, but it looks like we are thinking the same thing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 05:27:39 PM
yeah....you nailed him.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
His bid win record is actually 0 for 20 if you include the 3 cars that weren't classic Minis which he has bid on -- all of which happen to be the type of cars that might appear alongside classic Minis on his website (Fiat Jolly, Austin America, and new MINI).
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 31, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
I haven't looked at the BAT auctions to see the actual activity, but what you describe is much more to the "shameless self-promoting" than seriously pursuing any particular car.

If trying to collect information for a prospective client, I would think he would ask for all of the details in one request early on and then bid seriously if his client were truly interested and not bid at all if the interest were not serious.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Mplayle, didn't he sell your green van for you?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 06:45:10 PM
Being an actual bidder, albeit one with bids that upon closer examination don't approach the real value of the car being auctioned, and asking questions that seem serious, provides some cover from the outright appearance of "shameless self-promoting".

But...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on March 26, 2017, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.

From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.

Here's a Clubman from Oz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 01, 2017, 06:45:28 AM
Dave,

Yes, I had MiniGuy broker the sale of my green Mini Van.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 01, 2017, 08:01:45 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 31, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on March 26, 2017, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: Willie_B on March 25, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
He bought his from Dion Jardine, DJ minis, in Florida. I imported mine myself.

From NZ?  It's a little premature, but if.. well when I get my next mini I've really taking a liking to the Australian clubmans.  Doubt there are many of those in the states already.  So will most likely have to look into importing one.  Just a note for the future.

Here's a Clubman from Oz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450

Wow, lots of interesting different details on that one, like the third seat belt in the rear and those master cylinders.....and it's in your old town, St. Louis - just up the road!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 01, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
Did you see the center dash?    Very strange looking.   Yeah, I don't need another Mini but I did fantasize about it.  And I could probably ask my brother who lives in St. Louis to go look at it.    But besides the unknowns about the body condition, there are the unknowns about the powertrain.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 01, 2017, 10:22:03 AM
I know someone who could rebuild the engine/trans for you  ;D

I also know someone who has a nice 1275 w/remote gearbox to replace the 998 that's in it......just needs to be built.

Of course then you'd want to add front disc brakes, new rubber springs, hi-los, etc, etc etc......there's really no end to these cars, is there?

I think the body looks pretty solid, so what I would do with it is get it running again and go from there. I might just get it safe to drive and leave it alone as it is.

Spot the differences - check out the recessed door handles.....scuttle around the wipers......boot lid around the lic plate....I think the radio is aftermarket, but that switch panel isn't, and it is unlike any I've even seen......seats look comfy.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 03, 2017, 05:46:44 AM
Sooo tempting to add an Aussie clubman to my Aussie mini collection, but I was out of room before the first one.  Definitely falls under the would if I hadn't already bought one.  Love the Aussie clubmans.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 03, 2017, 05:53:33 AM
On the MiniGuy topic, I always considered him a flipper, if he can't get it to make a profit he will stop bidding. He has seemed to be doing a lot of o yea, look at these from my site lately though.  So probably a little self promoting going on.  Hopefully the mini eventually sells and got some good exposure on there.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 06:41:28 AM
Another Mini on BAT.    This is a circa 1979 Canadian Mini 1000 (big ugly bumpers removed) that is being auctioned as a 1971 Mini from Canada but with a 1275.  However, it appears to not have a 1275 at all -- looks like it has a 998.   Already it is bid up to $8K with no seller response at all.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-mk-iii/

My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   And yet I think this Mini will still sell for $11K or more (unless the auction is cancelled). 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 06:41:28 AM
My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   And yet I think this Mini will still sell for $11K or more (unless the auction is cancelled).

Update:  The seller has now surfaced on BAT.   Actually, the 'seller' is someone who is helping the actual owner sell the car (I think I might have seen this situation on Craigslist before  :)  )  and the 'seller' says information about the car "is what was provided by the previous owner at sale".  So, is that two or three degrees of separation being established?

So, it is a Mini originally sold in Canada, that supposedly lived its life in California, which is now offered for sale in NY state with a Montana title.   Yup, that's clear.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 04, 2017, 03:11:21 PM
Quote

Here's a Clubman from Oz:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-AUSTIN-CLUBMAN-RHD-/192142579101?hash=item2cbc97159d:g:AtUAAOSwax5Y2rSs&vxp=mtr

It hasn't run for a while, but it's a rare Mini and pretty reasonable IMO with a Buy it Now of just $6450

Well, so much for my crazy plans I was contemplating.  The listing has ended.  Back to the original plan. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 04, 2017, 07:38:56 AM
My crystal ball says the seller will be forced to admit he didn't know it didn't have a 1275 engine.   And didn't know it was re-VIN'd.   

New photos have been added clearly showing an engine number for a 998 engine - not a 1275 as the auction claims.  A pretty big misrepresentation.   

Now that this as come to light and can be verified by the engine numbers, I am waiting for claims of ignorance by the seller. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 07, 2017, 07:28:59 AM
The auction for the Canadian Mini is drying up - little interest for the last couple of days not since it became clear the seller was either a liar or stupid regarding not knowing the actual engine size and details about the car.  They also messed up on listing the correct year the car is titled.   It feels sloppy all around.   

I've got a feeling it will end up reserve not met and the seller just wants this auction to disappear as soon as possible. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 07, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
That often happens in the middle of the week, with three days to go we'll see if comments pick up towards the end, but I think you may be right.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 07, 2017, 04:46:11 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 07, 2017, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on April 07, 2017, 04:46:11 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D
I think anyone selling a car on BAT has got to be prepared for the very intense spotlight and inevitable criticism of imperfections of the car being auctioned. I thought Brad's brother put forth a  fantastic effort to be responsive to questions about his car, but for some crazy reason bidding on it never approached what it should have.  It's a real crapshoot. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 07, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on April 07, 2017, 04:46:11 PM
For $49 I'm tempted to list mine.  Just for fun and to learn about it from all the experts.  And hey if it sells for the reserve I'll find another.   ;D

What reserve would you put on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 08, 2017, 07:15:11 AM
Probably $20K.  Of course, every time I drive it the thought of selling it fades quickly and I got my box of parts from minisport yesterday so all excited. 

Was mainly thinking of testing the waters to see potential value and get all the good and bad opinions about it. 

Was a little more serious while that Aussie Clubman was for sale on ebay, but it's gone now.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 10, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
 If you missed this on BAT : 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-2/


Here's your second chance = Just takes a few more dollars to be your's!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Austin-Mini-Perfect-condition-great-deal-/222466459082?hash=item33cc08c5ca:g:jC4AAOSw03lY58n7&vxp=mtr


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 10, 2017, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 07, 2017, 07:28:59 AM
The auction for the Canadian Mini is drying up - little interest for the last couple of days not since it became clear the seller was either a liar or stupid regarding not knowing the actual engine size and details about the car.  They also messed up on listing the correct year the car is titled.   It feels sloppy all around.   

I've got a feeling it will end up reserve not met and the seller just wants this auction to disappear as soon as possible.

Reserve not Met at $9100.    And plenty of examples of how not to sell a car on BAT in that single auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on April 10, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
That would be about the right price for that car. Won't go that high again if relisted there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 11, 2017, 09:08:21 AM
Seller indicates he's "willing to talk" to prospective buyers after the no sale.......I'll bet his reserve was $10K

Interesting comments on the Sterling SLi for sale - the P+A dealer I worked for in the later 80's-early 90's sold these, and they were truly hard for me to sell. We had early tan leather cars that the leather would turn green in the Ca sun, electrical problems that simply would not go away and trim bits that fell off, came unglued, chrome that flaked off etc etc. Even the Honda drivetrains weren't exactly fool proof.......when I had a customer indicate an interest - if I couldn't steer them towards an Audi, I would somewhat reluctantly go ahead, but I think I only sold a very few of them.

The same dealer also sold Range Rovers from their 87 intro, and they were a long way from reliable then too.

Jedduh, I've noticed a number of cars on BaT being bought by dealerships and resold later, like this one. I also have noticed how many cars are being relisted for sale by their new owners after only a short time after purchase on BaT......makes me wonder if they're just trying to flip the car or if it was a bad purchase they're tying to quickly offload onto someone else.....

I've been giving serious consideration to selling my old Jag on there, but I don't know......of course there have been plenty of stories of people absolutely thrilled with their purchase on BaT too. Have you all been reading the story of the 23y/o who bought a Volvo 122 wagon and is driving it from New Jersey to Tijuana to eat a salad?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 11, 2017, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: Willie_B on April 10, 2017, 03:16:38 PM
That would be about the right price for that car. Won't go that high again if relisted there.

Yeah, but I think there are kind of two worlds of Mini prices.  1) the real world, and 2) the boutique world

And it was in the boutique world that the Canadian Mini originated.  The seller of the Canadian Mini apparently purchased it from a dealer who specializes in Porsches, and the car was likely bought it on a impulse buy, paying a lot more than the real world market value of the car, while remaining clueless as to what he purchased.

Like this "1967" Mini for $28K   https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1901659.html

or this Mini tin wagon estate for $22K  https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html 



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 11, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Bruce, I fully agree on the pricing.  Some people are so far off, but if someone is willing to give it then why not ask.

BaT is exploding and growing.  Problem with the popularity comes the scammers.  Hopefully the main BaT core crowd will keep weeding out the frivolous sellers with the intense questioning of the sellers on the auctions.  Possibly running off any future scams. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 11, 2017, 10:00:43 PM
I agree that Canadian Mini auction was a joke. The seller and his rep either had not got a clue, were very evasive and did not answer simple questions and you could tell it was going to end up a no sale. It is a shame because it seems like a solid Mini that needs a few items sorting. My guess is a long way from his reserve at $9100.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
A new Mini has surfaced on BAT.  It's a Mk. I Mini with a 1275.   A little rough in some areas (the floor are solid but very beat up like somebody used them to practice hitting things with a sledgehammer), but generally it's a nice-looking car. 

My guess is that it will sell for about $14K     

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-3/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 13, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
I'm going with the latest trend and RNM.  Considering the brief appearance by the seller and not addressing anything from the comments except for your statement of why all minis are so scrutinized. 

Looks like another highly miss-represented listing again with a hodgepodge of bits and pieces from several years and inaccurate numbers and paperwork.  Shame, cause from the outside it looks fabulous. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 13, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
Now that's a nice looking car, I agree it should bring good money.....especially if the seller is a little more involved than the last one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
Yeah Mark, I'm going to walk back my guess of $14K.   Especially since it turns out it doesn't have disc brakes and, as you point out, the seller is mostly AWOL so far.   I think bidding will go to perhaps to $11K and it will be reserve not met at that price point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
 I just looked up the seller of this gray Mini and it's the same seller who last year sold that nonrunning, dented, but original Cooper S barn find on BAT for an absolutely stupefying $55,000. 

He obviously made a killing on that car and is probably looking to make a lot of money on this one, but this car is just not going to bring the crazy bidders.  Therefore I am almost certain it will be reserve not met. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 14, 2017, 07:55:19 AM
Here's one on Craigslist.....I thought all Innocentis had the full dash?

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/6085919419.html (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/6085919419.html)

(https://images.craigslist.org/00v0v_jjCgiTVFaKh_600x450.jpg)

(https://images.craigslist.org/00303_6ERNTPzO6MK_600x450.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 14, 2017, 08:28:50 AM
No, the dashes on the earlier and plainer cars were more like the British ones. Except with Italian Veglia gauges.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 14, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
Most of the 998 Innos (badged as "1001") had the center three gauge cluster as shown on that one.

As far as I can remember (without digging out my Mini books), it was the 1275 versions that had the 5 or 6 gauge full dash arrangements.  I think the Authi 1275's had just the 5 gauge dash.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 15, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
The natives are restless!   Among other issues, the gray Mk. I Mini currently on BAT is getting a lot of pushback about it not having a true VIN plate and relying on the FE body number as the car's ID on it's title.   This has apparently gotten under the skin of some commenters who are effectively asking BAT to call the auction off.   

The seller is keeping mostly silent.  Four days left.   Get your popcorn out...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 18, 2017, 06:05:35 AM
Just saw this on BaT.  Bruce, isn't this the one that parked next to us at Cars and Coffee the last time all three of us were there?  It's in Plano.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-honda-city-turbo-ii/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 18, 2017, 06:41:42 AM
No, what was parked near us was a Suzuki Alto kei car.  I've never seen a Honda City in person, but I think it is bigger than kei size.   There was one version of this Honday City that came with a folding Honda mini bike in the back for the final part of your commute! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 18, 2017, 07:26:58 AM
Ok, wasn't sure, but now that you mention it this does look different.  Just crazy coincidence about plano.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2017, 02:07:11 PM
Well, about 1 hour left on the BAT Mini auction.    It hasn't made it to $8500 yet and the comments are generally negative with a somewhat standoffish seller, so I'm really thinking it will be reserve not met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 19, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
Did not make reserve, as expected.

I tired to be positive in my last posts...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2017, 03:12:52 PM
Didn't even crack $10K.   

I put a lot of that on the shoulders of the seller.   He wasn't antagonistic, but he was wasn't enthusiastic either. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 21, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
Another Mini on BAT.   Unlike the recent Minis that were Reserve Not Met, this one is No Reserve, so it will be sold. 

Looks to be pretty nice and sorted.  It's a German market 1980 Mini that's had a 1275 installed along with Cooper S discs. 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mini-mini-special-mkii/

My guess is this will sell for $14K or so.  Maybe more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 22, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Random...  A comment of mine on the M3C5 mashup bmw 325i made the comments of note for yesterday!! 

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/04/21/m3c5-vette-mashup-1994-bmw-325i/


M3/C5 Vette Mashup: 1994 BMW 325i

"Modern day hotrod/muscle car. Big engine, small capable chassis. Perfect! Good thing I already spent my money on my mini. Love the color combo.

For the purists, get over it, it's hotrodding. Been going on for decades and will continue forever. Besides, it was a 325i, how many were produced? Not to mention, this would probably smoke the doors off a much higher priced M3, with 3 passengers along for the fun.

They are CARS!!! Stop stuffing them in bubbles for your ROI and drive the..."
15 likes  gr8kornholio commented on M3/C5 Vette Mashup: 1994 BMW 325i
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 22, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
Congrats on having your comment noted!  They must get hundreds, or maybe even thousands a day.   I like what you said too!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 22, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
Thanks Bruce.  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 26, 2017, 10:15:51 AM
New Mini over on BAT.  This one is an authentic Oz-built 1968 Morris Cooper S Mk. I 1275.   Still a wet car. 

Barring any unforeseen drama (and I don't think there will be any - the car looks to be without issues other than normal wear), I think this will go up to $23K or so.  Maybe higher.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 26, 2017, 01:14:16 PM
It's my upgraded twin!!   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 26, 2017, 04:48:26 PM
Did you see the yellow Dart too?   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 21, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
Another Mini on BAT.   Unlike the recent Minis that were Reserve Not Met, this one is No Reserve, so it will be sold. 

Looks to be pretty nice and sorted.  It's a German market 1980 Mini that's had a 1275 installed along with Cooper S discs. 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mini-mini-special-mkii/

My guess is this will sell for $14K or so.  Maybe more.

Lot's of last minute bidding on this sharp Mini.  Sold for $16,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 02:44:28 PM
I think that was a fair deal for all involved, I invited him to join our little community here, I hope that's not against the BaT rules and that we see some new members out of the little plug.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
Here's a classic Mini for sale near Dallas.   It comes with a 'story' but seems nice enough.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/cto/6099893863.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 02:44:28 PM
I think that was a fair deal for all involved, I invited him to join our little community here, I hope that's not against the BaT rules and that we see some new members out of the little plug.

I think it's great idea.  Not like with MiniGuy who was self-promoting for profit in his comments a little while ago.  (and I notice he's kept his record not wining a BAT auction by bidding on a couple more classic Minis there  but dropping out way, way early)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
Here's a classic Mini for sale near Dallas.   It comes with a 'story' but seems nice enough.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/cto/6099893863.html

1990 MPI?????

I don't think so Tim.......still a great looking car, especially if you can get it registered.

Still, a left drive MPi has to be a rare bird....in any country!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 28, 2017, 04:30:36 PM
Complete with air-bag steering wheel and headlight leveling switch.

Still, a nice 1999 Mini-40 at that price.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2017, 06:50:05 PM
Still not technically legal, so there is always the theorical possibility of having it seized and crushed.  Plus, I still wonder how these re-vin cars will be viewed in the future.    Assuming at some point in the future these will be revered as Mk. I Minis are today.  Will it 'count' as a Mini 40 if it's pretending to be a 1990 and that's what the title says?    Or will real Mini 40 models (and other special editions) that have the correct provenance be the only ones that have value?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 28, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
Bruce,

All valid points.  Hopefully we'll be around to see what some of the answers turn out to be.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2017, 07:47:29 PM
Well, if they don't bring all the money - there'll be a nice MPi for a more affordable price!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 29, 2017, 06:29:07 AM
Yeah good point.  We are not buying our Minis as investments.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 29, 2017, 06:30:22 AM
The only issue I have with the fuel injected Minis is they are difficult to diagnose fuel & ignition problems.  They are not OBD-I or OBD-II, and the reader for them is in limited supply.  Also, the various sensors and ECUs are mostly NLA.  There was only one place in the UK able to service the ECUs when I converted the Tahiti Blue Mini to carb.  (The MAP sensor is built into the ECU.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 29, 2017, 07:44:52 AM
Well, you would know Michael after dealing with your SPi.....like most FI systems, either they work perfectly or not at all!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 03, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 26, 2017, 10:15:51 AM
New Mini over on BAT.  This one is an authentic Oz-built 1968 Morris Cooper S Mk. I 1275.   Still a wet car. 

Barring any unforeseen drama (and I don't think there will be any - the car looks to be without issues other than normal wear), I think this will go up to $23K or so.  Maybe higher.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s/

Reserve Not Met at $27K.     I wonder what the Seller thinks it is worth.   He seemed just a little umm... selective in what photos he'd show, and which comments to respond to during the auction (kinda missed disclosing the huge floor dent until pressed).  And he never did talk about the rust issue in the driver's floor board.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 03, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
I'm thinking his reserve was probably based off the previous mini cooper s cars that sold.  Only problem was his wasn't "original" anymore.  Been painted, added cheep flares, and probably the worse was the original wheels which seem impossible to find.  The current collector trend is stupid money, but it has to be all original. like period.  Of course I'm over here like  8.gif  50.gif whatever, I'm driving mine  71.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 11, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
BAT has two 1960s Minis at auction now:

First is an authentic Mk. II Cooper S.     I think this will go for somewhere around $25K but IMO it could be higher if it had no black wheel arches and Cooper S wheels.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-morris-mk2-mini-cooper/

Then they have a Mini Traveller with wood.   My guesstimate for this Mini is about $22K in an unusual color with reverse Cooper S steel wheels.   Maybe more but it's still got drum brakes which will hurt it a little I think (what? did they run out of money when restoring the car?).   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-morris-morris-minor-traveler/

So much depends on responsive and knowledgeable sellers on BAT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 11, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
The color on the Traveler may be one of those Australia or New Zealand specific colors not on the usual UK market cars.

At least it has twin leading shoe front drums versus the singles.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 11, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on May 11, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
The color on the Traveler may be one of those Australia or New Zealand specific colors not on the usual UK market cars.

At least it has twin leading shoe front drums versus the singles.
I think that is the exact color Mark was considering painting his Mini from Oz.   I'm sure he'll jump in and confirm or deny.


About that Mk. II Cooper S on BAT, I first looked at the photos on my phone, but now that I've seen them on my laptop, I'm not so sure about that car getting into the $20s.   Looks like some ham-fisted bodywork on the sills if I'm seeing things correctly. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 11, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
It states that it was restored in New Zealand.  Bruce that color is more yellow than fiesta yellow, which is actually more green.  I like them both, but they both seem to have some "well why'd you do that on them"  We shall see.

It is funny reading about "restorations" on cars for sale on BaT.  The Alfa GTV, which I really love the shape of, states this in the description "The bare-metal repaint carried out in 2015 reportedly used little filler," followed at the end of the paragraph by "Exterior flaws are listed as minor bubbling on the left rocker panel and some surface rust around the battery tray area."

How can you do a bare metal repaint 2 years ago and already have bubbling on a rocker panel and rust in the battery tray?  Obviously you didn't take the entire car to bare metal, or your paint shop SUCKS!  I don't get it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 11, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
The Woody on BAT is running a 1275 not sure why they did not use discs on the build. The MK II Cooper is not an S just a standard Cooper with a 1380 in it. Both cars are decent but I do not think they are the big money cars you normally see on BAT but who knows i have seen basic stuff do silly money on there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 12, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on May 11, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
"Exterior flaws are listed as minor bubbling on the left rocker panel and some surface rust around the battery tray area."
How can you do a bare metal repaint 2 years ago and already have bubbling on a rocker panel and rust in the battery tray?  Obviously you didn't take the entire car to bare metal, or your paint shop SUCKS!  I don't get it.

I think the latter....poor prep work. I know Bruce's Emma is needing a little attention already and she had a full bare bones respray, and Don's Pup had a few bubbles showing up only a year or so after he got it, and it also was a full bare metal repaint.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on May 12, 2017, 08:53:26 AM
Usually lack of an epoxy sealer will let moisture penetrate the metal.  However there are times it comes from the back of unprotected areas.  Commonly found between early type A panels and door bottoms.  A proper sealer can technically be sprayed over minor rust and the rust won't spread.  Once it gets moisture then you got problems.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 12, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on May 11, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
The MK II Cooper is not an S just a standard Cooper with a 1380 in it.

I missed that it wasn't a real S.  Probably should rely on reading better, looking more critically, and using my laptop rather than my phone.   :-[

I am revising my wildassguesstimate for the Mk. II to $14K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 14, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
Looks like MiniGuy has really upped his game, he's high bidder on both these cars currently on BaT......the wagon at almost $11K and the MkII at almost $14K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 14, 2017, 05:58:20 PM
Time will tell...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 16, 2017, 07:59:29 AM
A new Mini offering on BaT, this time a factory "Retro" Mini!  I like it!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-studio-2-factory-development-car/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-studio-2-factory-development-car/)

In the article they mention the top was black at one point, I think they should have painted it burgundy to pick up on the interior theme.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/591a4600d5dd3_DSCN1012-620x417.jpg)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DSCN0979-2-620x465.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 16, 2017, 08:24:29 AM
Is it just me, or does the door and the shell up to the front seem appear  to be a different shade of white?  I thought at first it was shadows, but every picture seems to show it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 17, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Not sure......

This one's for sale on Ebay UK - £40,000!  $52,00 in American.......but it does look brandy new. Left drive too......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on May 17, 2017, 11:43:59 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 17, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Not sure......

This one's for sale on Ebay UK - £40,000!  $52,00 in American.......but it does look brandy new. Left drive too......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Mini-Cooper-S-/201916904207?hash=item2f032f730f:g:C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/C1oAAOSwKytZDMd7/s-l1600.jpg)

At this price most folks would be afraid to ever even drive it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 17, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
Well, the woody brought $17,000 and the MkII $13,750....pretty much what Bruce predicted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 20, 2017, 08:44:58 AM
Both of the doors on the white Mini have been repaired and painted due to rust issues with only 40k miles on it. They just missed the mark with this "design" glad it did not go into production. They should have used a lot more of the MK I stuff so people could relate to it and toned down the seats a little. It sold in the UK a couple of years ago but imo it would do better in Japan.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 24, 2017, 12:31:13 PM
New old Mini on BAT.   Looks to be a mostly intact Austin Mini 850 Deluxe Mk. I (although BAT lists it as a Super Deluxe). 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-austin-mini-850-mk1-super-deluxe/

My WAG is it will go for somewhere around $11K.    Could be more if somebody in the UK wants to buy it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
Plain-jane little Mini but it looks pretty nice. I would want a hands-on or eyes-on inspection for rust and body filler on this one......it might be fine, but I would want to know.

I have a local friend who's getting ready to list his 1999 MPI VTEC on BaT. It's an extremely nice example and he has it well sorted, even to the A/C. He's running a D series engine too.....I'll really be interested to see where it winds up - he's hoping for $20K or better.......

That white development car brought $12,850....does it seem like prices have come down a bit lately on Minis?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
Dave,

Is this your friend's Mini?

http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14370/1978_Mini_Cooper_13i_Sedan_vTec (http://www.minimania.com/cars4sale/14370/1978_Mini_Cooper_13i_Sedan_vTec)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 05:38:45 PM
Yep, that's the car......it's beautiful in person.....funny.....1978......ad just went up today looks like.

I guess that's no different than my "72" Racing Green which is really an '89.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 06:10:27 PM
Right now, I would be tempted to get something like Kel's Mini if it were more reliable than my 2016 MINI Clubman.  My Clubman is back in the shop with another "Check Engine Light" issue.  I still don't have even 12K miles on it.  I should hear from the dealership tomorrow as to what the "diagnosis" may be.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 06:11:06 PM
From the MiniMania ad..... think the only issues he ever mentioned were trying to get the A/C sorted out (which he did) and trying to get an exhaust that didn't sound too "ricey", which he also did.

(http://www.minimania.com/images_temp/6304001003C8BCEA1-CB1B-B61F-FE30AF90BBCE572E.jpg)

(http://www.minimania.com/Cars/3C912AFB-CD9B-28C0-78DA1806A9BD87E3.jpg)


The Grand Touring Vtec Mini"
$24,000 OBO
Contact me Via Email or text. NO SPAMMERS!

I have owned this car for 12 years now and was told that I was the second owner. The car was purchased with 21,000 miles (yes that is correct). I drove it for 13k and decided to do a sohc Vtec swap. I have around 14k since the vtec conversion and it has been the most fun/reliable mini that I have owned in 18 years. It cruises at 70mph at around 3250rpm and does it with zero issues. I try to drive this car as much as possible (weather permissible), but due to this it does have some minor rock chips and scuffs. I have never driven it in snow, salted roads, or rain. It has had some body panels touched up before I bought it but no issues have shown up from it. The panels themselves are hard to to distinguish, definitely not a jo smo paint job.
I love this car and have babied it, but time to move on to a new toy.
Here is a link to a pile of photos and a list of everything done.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/longlivekel/albums/72157684134603616

All of the following has occurred within the last 14,000 miles (first aftermarket speedometer died at 12,000 miles)
Engine:
D16z6 SOHC vtec Engine block and head rebuild with all new honda seals (seals purchased from honda)
Bored the engine 0.25 and purchased 4 new pistons and ring set from honda
New water pump
New Belts
New Exedy clutch kit
New Spal Electric fan
New Fail safe thermostat
New Cap, rotor, wires
All new hoses
All new custom 2" exhaust
New motor mounts


Transmission-
Transmission teardown and inspection for synchro wear
Changed final gear ratio from 4.25 (Civic Si) to 3.722 (civic hx). This made the first and second gear more useable for street use and reduced the screaming rpm at highway use (around 3250rpm at 70mph)
New honda transmission fluid
New brake master and slave
Minitec chromoly axles with cv joints

Brakes:
Redline Racing Blue Dot 4 fluid
Minisport 8.4" vented brake kit with billet calipers and slotted rotors
Goodridge braided rear and front brake hoses
New rear drum shoes and wheel cylinders
New Goodridge braided lines from bias to master cylinder

Suspension:
New Adjustable caster camber kit for the front
Adjustable ride height trumpets front and rear
Kyb shocks
Front suspension poly bushings
Sracer Rear bump stop kit
(1 year old) Yokohama A539 Tires

HVac
Custom Vintage air install for heater and air condition
Refurbished honda civic a/c compressor
All new fittings to fit the heating and cooling setup

Interior Acoustics:
Sound Deadened the floor a and trunk.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 24, 2017, 06:19:24 PM
The pictures in the flickr album show an interesting "mod" to the exhaust where it enters the final muffler.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 06:21:11 PM
Yes I saw that, like I said he experimented quite a bit to get a good sound and it has a nice deep growl, in fact it doesn't sound anything like a Honda!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 24, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
it looks like a very nice and  well-sorted Mini. 

So, he's gonna try MiniMania first and then list it on BAT if that doesn't work?

There will certainly be pushback on the re-VIN aspect on BAT I think.  But that would die down if the rest of the car does not disappoint.  I can already hear the California comments complaining about it not being able to pass smog testing...   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 24, 2017, 06:24:14 PM
Yeah, no cat converter....but there are ton's of Vtec Minis in Ca, wonder how they got them registered?

There are a few dings that I think a Doctor Dent guy could easily remedy - I would have done that before I put it up for sale. I think he's going to list it concurrently on BaT.

Don talks to him all the time, I keep telling him to go drive it so he can see if that's the diff ratio he wants for his Pup. 3200 @ 70 mph would sure be an improvement over his now, which is closer to 4K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 25, 2017, 09:16:05 AM
Interesting development - BaT turned down Kel's Vtec Mini for auction on their site saying it was too "niche" and that his reserve was too high, and should be more like $14K.

Too niche? 

I'm floored that they've gotten picky like this......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 25, 2017, 10:59:02 AM
Really?!  This is the same site now featuring a 1990 Chevy van with 180K miles and a home built interior?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-chevrolet-g20-van/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 25, 2017, 12:13:59 PM
So do websites "Jump the Shark" like TV shows?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 25, 2017, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on May 25, 2017, 12:13:59 PM
So do websites "Jump the Shark" like TV shows?

Ha!  I'd say they do when they get too big for their own britches.   

Too niche? 

I get that they don't want a lot of auctions to end up as RNM because that would hurt their reputation as a viable auction site, but we all know the potential market for a VTEC Mini like that one is a lot greater than the potential market of enthusiasts looking for a time-capsule Mini 850 like they currently offer (no slight to that particular car intended).   

Of course price factors in as it must.   Personally, I think $24K for that car is too high.  It will sit on MM's site for 6-9 months or more and then the price will have to drop more like all the other dreamer Mini prices.  But BAT is way, way off at suggesting $14K too.   The sweet spot is probably $19K or so IMO. (and, as we all know, the eventual selling price doesn't really matter too much compared to how much someone would have to spend to recreate a particular car)

I wonder if BAT was pissed the Mini was going to be listed concurrently on MiniMania's classifieds at the same time?   If I was BAT, I'd demand exclusivity - certainly during the run of the auction.   And the Internet never forgets anything, so if the intention is to put it on BAT, I think it's a mistake to offer the car for sale elsewhere first on the Interwebs to test the waters, and make the asking price known, before putting it on a premier sales venue like BAT. 

If I was going to sell a car (thinking MiniDave and a certain feline car), I would observe complete radio silence about the car, photos, and details until the big coming out party on BAT, (after first rectifying any known flaws and shortcomings) and having a professional photographer (I think you might know one) work his magic. 


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 26, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
Well, all of a sudden now the car goes up on BaT for auction on Monday.....I have no idea what the heck is going on....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 27, 2017, 05:17:19 AM
Is he pulling the MM ad? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 27, 2017, 05:30:44 AM
I dunno, but I don't think that's a factor....I've seen other auctions where the car was mentioned as being advertised locally..I'll see Don this am and see what he knows. Weird.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 07:45:20 AM
So, Kel's car turned up on Ebay, not BaT.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Mini-Classic-Mini-Cooper-S-/222525487578 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-Mini-Classic-Mini-Cooper-S-/222525487578)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nBIAAOSwtGlZJhYi/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 29, 2017, 07:52:54 AM
Huge difference between the two.

I wish him good luck.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 04:50:28 PM
Another Mini on BaT, this time one that will be near and dear to gr8cornholio as it's an Aussie built (supposed) Cooper S.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-3/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-3/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC03703-940x625.jpg)

They recently were advertising for copy writers, but I have to wonder if they hired a 12 year old who knows nothing about cars, based on a few of the things I've read in the posts lately, like this.

An oil leak has recently been remedied by replacement of the oil pan gasket.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 07:59:13 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......

(https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_5hXthdecjkm_1200x900.jpg)

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6153492291.html (https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6153492291.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 30, 2017, 10:00:02 AM
Pretty sweet, If I hadn't have already bought mine, I'd been all over this.  Would look really cool next to Bruce's car too. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 07:59:13 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......

That's a good-looking Clubman (but I might be biased on the color choices   ;D  ).

I don't necessarily  think $15K is unreasonable if it's a solid car.    Isn't your friend hoping from something in the low to mid 20s for his Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2017, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 24, 2017, 12:31:13 PM
New old Mini on BAT.   Looks to be a mostly intact Austin Mini 850 Deluxe Mk. I (although BAT lists it as a Super Deluxe). 

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-austin-mini-850-mk1-super-deluxe/

My WAG is it will go for somewhere around $11K.    Could be more if somebody in the UK wants to buy it.

Lots of last-minute bidding and it sold for $15,500.   No word yet where it will live now.    Pretty good price for that car I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2017, 01:59:30 PM
Listed on Craigslist near me, a Mini Van for $7650.  Some assembly required.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/6142761291.html

(https://images.craigslist.org/00F0F_gTs3kIt0NkB_1200x900.jpg)

"Classic MINI panel Van - A rare opportunity to own one of the classic MINI variants that is practically unknown and non existant in the US. The panel van was used by utilities and service companies to carry items for service in the UK and this vehicle was popular and used for service there. The van has original dark blue paint on part of the body and primer in the areas where the metal work has been done. It is clean now and needs NO rust repair at all. It is a very clean body and needs very little work to make it ready for paint. This van was imported from England several years ago and has undergone a major restoration, which is partially complete. The hard part of the restoration has already been done and now the van is ready for the rest of the work to be completed. The van has a 1275 engine (biggest MINI engine) and runs and can be driven. The metal work on the body has been completed at a professional shop and is ready for final body and paint work. Almost all of the parts needed to complete are included, only a few parts need to be purchased.

WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE

1275 engine has had the cylinder head updated with new valve seals and gaskets
4 speed manual Transmission is the latest rod change type, the most reliable and newest version
engine bay has been cleaned and prepared
Metal Work is all done and body is ready for final body and paint work - NO RUST REPAIR NEEDED!!!!!

What still needs to be done

Body and paint work
Trim, bumpers, all installed
Seat Covers and interior work done
Windows and tracks
Door gaskets, etc.

Any other work depends on your specification. These vans were fairly simple and had few frills, but depending on customer desires, the sky is the limit on restoration.


We have an extensive classic car collection and are selling this van because we simply have too many projects and can't get all of them finished. The van is in exceptional condition for the age and was hand picked by a careful buyer in the UK after looking at many others, this one was in the best condtion available. It has been stored in my dry warehouse in Texas for almost 10 years. You will not find one in better original condition anywhere at this point. We have been restoring our own vehicle collection for many years and can finish this van for you with paint and interior and trim, etc. if you would like. The price we are offering the van for is as it is now, but we can finish it for you at additional cost. A rare chance to own a fine example icon of one of the most interesting automobiles in history. Offered at $7,650 finished price about $15,000 and up, depending on specification."
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 02, 2017, 11:23:31 AM
I went back to that surf blue Mini 850 on BAT to see if the buyer indicated where the car was going to live now.  No word.   

But shocked to see that MiniGuy put up another self-advertisement thinly disguised as a comment.  Actually, not shocked.   He bid up to $7,350 on a car that sold for $15,500.  Pattern continues.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: BruceK on May 30, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 29, 2017, 07:59:13 PM
Local Mini Clubman on Craigslist......at $15K I'd have to look seriously at Kel's Vtec......

That's a good-looking Clubman (but I might be biased on the color choices   ;D  ).

I don't necessarily  think $15K is unreasonable if it's a solid car.    Isn't your friend hoping from something in the low to mid 20s for his Mini?

Kel's Mini is up to $17K with 2 days left to go, I don't know what his reserve is but he was hoping for $24K but I think anything much over $20K would buy it.....there is an unsold 75 Mini on Ebay with a Buy it Now of $28,500.....ridiculous.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-/332248142402?hash=item4d5b885242:g:2PgAAOSwlMFZMOA7&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Mini-Classic-Mini-/332248142402?hash=item4d5b885242:g:2PgAAOSwlMFZMOA7&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 02, 2017, 12:09:21 PM
To top it off that ebay one's ad is not accurate.  It states the engine to be a 1275 when in fact it is likely just a 998.  (See the head in the engine picture - 998 thermostat housing and the 998 oriented heater port over the #4 cylinder.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 12:34:13 PM
Good catch....clearly not a big block engine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 02, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
And nowhere near 1975 with rear 3-point retractable seat belts either. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2017, 02:55:17 PM
Can't slide anything past us!   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 05, 2017, 02:36:05 PM
The Aussie Mini did not sell, they got into a pissing match about the vin and the lack of authenticity and the bidding just dried up.

So, now I wonder if it truly is an Aussie built Mini or just a standard Mini with Aussie doors, and uprated motor and so on - talk about a potential bitsa.

I think the car is "known", as one of the posters asked if the car used to be Burgundy and if the owner had it painted and the answers were affirmative. I think someone might have been trying to slide one by, but the Mini community is small enough that they sniffed it out. I also think this may have been one of MiniGuy's cars, some of the comments made lead me to that.....

It also sounds like a very made up story, about the owner being a collector and having "too many cars" and needing to sell a few of them. One of the posters said "People just don't like stories, even if they're believable. As soon as you have to start explaining, you're doomed."

Especially if the stories don't ring true.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 05, 2017, 03:04:28 PM
He bid on it twice, one even the first bid.  Of course since it wasn't under his username who knows.  Agree on the story part. If you have to start explaining away all kinds of stuff after the auction start you are fighting a loosing battle. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 05, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on June 05, 2017, 03:04:28 PM
He bid on it twice, one even the first bid.  Of course since it wasn't under his username who knows.  Agree on the story part. If you have to start explaining away all kinds of stuff after the auction start you are fighting a loosing battle.
Better to be upfront about everything rather than have things slowly come out, drip by drip.


Dave, over on eBay I see that Kel's VTEC Mini went RNM at $20K.  It looks like a very nice Mini, but I was thinking that's about top the price people would offer - even though it could cost much more to duplicate. 

I see that he is proud of not having a Minitec front subframe or conversion (bad blood there?), but then he is silent about what he is using.  Home built subframe?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 05, 2017, 03:24:46 PM
Yes, he built the subframe, but he's a really good fabricator...

He says he's got a contract on it after all....I expect he got in touch with the high bidder after the auction ended and made the deal.

I hear the last bid was just under his reserve.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 05, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 05, 2017, 02:36:05 PM
So, now I wonder if it truly is an Aussie built Mini or just a standard Mini with Aussie doors, and uprated motor and so on - talk about a potential bitsa.

I just looked at the photos on BAT and I think you might be correct.  The car does not seem to have the special unique-to-Oz stamping of the windshield scuttle panel.  Looks to be a regular panel as fitted to a British Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 06, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
This one should set the bar for a properly built Mini, not original, but extremely well done. I expect it to be pretty expensive - mid 20's maybe?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-cooper-s/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-cooper-s/)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-05-at-1.12.51-PM.png)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/79-1968-Mini-engine-bay-3-620x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 07, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
Looks like I undervalued a car again....it's at $24K on the second day of bidding.....

Comments include "see what happens when you don't have to tell stories" and "Interesting how properly modified Minis can go for more than non-modified cars"
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 07, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
And the conversation drifted all the way to explaining methods for the cir clip installation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 07, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on June 07, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
And the conversation drifted all the way to explaining methods for the cir clip installation.

Hey! Of course it did.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2017, 07:18:15 AM
There's a disturbance in the Force.


MiniGuy has the current high bid of $27,250 on the pristine blue Cooper S on BAT.

Should be interesting as the auction closes with such high bids already and still days to go.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
I'm guessing, as to not knowing the cost of swiftune products, but it should be approaching cost to build?  It's into well built and sorted vtec money at this point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 09, 2017, 01:34:05 PM
I don't know what a Swiftune engine like this would cost to build, but with the 7 port crossflow head and Webers, I'm betting at least $10K.

But you bring up a good point about the Vtec, this car would be fun to drive, but not as a daily or for long drives, where Kel's Vtec was fully sorted, with A/C, and the same HP but in a much more reliable package.....for much less than this car is going to sell for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2017, 01:50:05 PM
I've got a feeling this Mini will go for $35K or more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
All we need are 2 to fight over it.  But didn't want to put negativity on the auction, so that's why I brought it up here.  I've come across 2 amazing vtecs for sale in the last couple years.  I know the yellow one went for less than 30 and not sure about the red one, but it was listed at 35.  I'll see if I can hunt down some links.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 09, 2017, 06:18:10 PM
Here's the red one.
http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/13959/1977_Austin_Cooper_Sedan

Here's the yellow one after some car dealer in Florida bought it and screwed it up. I just read the add and it cracks me up cause I know the history of this car.   Can't find the original add.  I saw it as low as 28K(it was on there for at least a year originally in san fran.) now this genius thinks he's going to get 36 for it.  Even listed on minimania where the original add was.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/13874/1961_Austin_Mini_SEVEN_Sedan

The hinges used to be yellow and the grille was blacked out.  Also had real seats in it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2017, 12:45:30 PM
The blue Mk. II Mini Cooper S sold for.... (are you sitting down?) .....   fifty-six-thousand-five-hundred dollars!   :-\

Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 13, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
Especially since it started the day still at $27250!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2017, 02:26:24 PM
$74,800 in Canukian money, interesting to see it's going to stay in Canada......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 16, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
There's now a stunning Mk. I Cooper S on BAT.  And stunningly photographed too, (professional photographer I would say).   

I haven't studied all the photos in depth, but it looks very nice indeed.   Surprisingly, no under car shots yet. 

It's early to say, but if there are no surprises, I could see this one going for the upper $30Ks or more.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2/

I love the color.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-1-of-86-940x627.jpg)

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-34-of-86.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 16, 2017, 04:53:03 PM
Doors don't fit any better than any of them....   ;D

Pretty car......if it doesn't have excuses and stories, it will sell well. One thing BaT bidders don't like are stories and explanations that don't make a lot of sense, or an arrogant non-involved seller.

Oh, and good ol Miniguy in with the first bid!

What's the sticker up on the left fender?

Edit: I found it.....that would be coming off immediately if it were my car.

(http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Clarence-Beaman-Mini-Cooper-18-of-86.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 17, 2017, 12:13:01 PM
On Mania.....gorgeous wagon, supercharged too!  $21,500.

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14421/1970_Austin_Countryman_Wagon (http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14421/1970_Austin_Countryman_Wagon)

(http://www.minimania.com/images_temp/630400100ADE8DC18-B6E1-1E9C-75F6FB68A5F1F3F7.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 17, 2017, 12:39:04 PM
That wagon is being sold by the same person that sold me what is now Jim's pickup. 

The 12.5K miles listed is what it has see since the "restoration" in 2001.  Not much use in nearly 16 years.

PS> It is located in the DFW area, so conceivably Bruce could inspect it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 17, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
It's a small world here in Mini-land, isn't it?

The car looks terrific!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 17, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
I know the car and, Skip, the person selling it.  I was wondering why he and the wagon weren't at the All British Car Day a month ago. 

It's a very nice car. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 20, 2017, 12:43:23 PM
Mini racecar on offer at BAT.  Interesting to see the detail on all the race equipment.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-austin-vintage-race-mini/ 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 21, 2017, 12:03:47 PM
There is now an Innocenti Mini on BAT.  I love looking at all the same-but-different stuff on them.
And I dropped a mention of Dan's shop in the comments because someone said it's too expensive to get a Mini restored.


http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-innocenti-mini/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 21, 2017, 01:50:08 PM
I try to sneak in a mention of the forum on every one of these Mini auctions.

This Inno is truly a project, isn't it! Bring a Trailer indeed!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 22, 2017, 04:30:54 AM
OK guys, I'm on here now.  Great forum! 

I can't believe that there is not yet a bid on the Innocenti.  If I wasn't already into two mini's and a TR3 restoration I'd bid.  It's cool car.

Bill
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2017, 05:14:41 AM
Welcome!   Nice to have you here.

Tell us about yourself.  I hope you'll be sharing lots of details and photos of your Minis.  We'd love to hear about them.

Yes, it is surprising there are no bids on the Innocenti yet.   I wonder if part of that is due to the fact it's way up in Maine?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 22, 2017, 08:26:25 AM
Bruce, thanks for the welcome. Does this forum have a section for "introduce yourself"?  Many others do and that helps the old timers see a newbie better.

Briefly, I bought my first Mini (a 1959 850) in 1970 while stationed in the UK.  I drove it for a few months and then dropped in an 1100 with remote shifter. I went through several cars for a while and then bought a new 1972 MGB GT.  I beat the crap out the GT and sold it with 41,000 miles on it when I left there.

I still have my 1957 MGA that I bought in 1968.  Sitting in the garage right now is 1978 Mini something.  It was originally a RHD car that was converted to LHD.  Someone then put in an MG Metro engine, Cooper front discs and rear drums.  The engine has an HIF 44 carb, long center branch header and 1.5 ratio roller tipped rockers.  The body is RUST. I'll post progress pictues soon.

In the barn is 1970 Mini MKII, external hinges, and sliding windows.  It was originally a Canadian car.  Next to it is a 1959 TR3, basket case. I've got more projects than brains or years left on the planet.  But I'm having more fun than should be allowed.

Bill
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
Bill, sounds like you've got the British Car disease, and a bad case of it, like most of us here.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 22, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
Welcome to the forum, Bill.

I also have the "British disease", with an E-Type, a Mini and a MINI!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Aridgerunner on June 23, 2017, 04:43:47 AM
Oh yes, BCD for sure.  It all started when I was about 12 years old.  Our neighbors owned a red MGA and the woman used to takes us (my brother and me) for rides in it regularly.  Her brother used to keep his little front engined, open wheeled race car in their garage.  It had a wierd name, Lotus.  We used to sit it and pretend to race.  And we would go watch him at the hill climbs.  Then he sold it and bought an Elite.  We were not allowed to play in that one. And as you expect, they had friends with other funny little sports cars.  Life was good!  Still is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 23, 2017, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: BruceK on June 16, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
There's now a stunning Mk. I Cooper S on BAT.  And stunningly photographed too, (professional photographer I would say).   

I haven't studied all the photos in depth, but it looks very nice indeed.   Surprisingly, no under car shots yet. 

It's early to say, but if there are no surprises, I could see this one going for the upper $30Ks or more.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2/

Just sold with lots of last minute bids for $41K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on June 24, 2017, 09:55:31 AM
So I should build my 67 up and sell it for 50 or 60k?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 24, 2017, 10:26:26 AM
Makes one wonder just how many buyers there are out there for expensive Minis?  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 24, 2017, 11:14:41 AM
Based upon the number of people involved in last minute bidding for every expensive Mini, I'd say there are quite a few.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 24, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
Don't try to understand car collectors right now.  It goes from  8.gif to  :-[ to  11.gif to  50.gif.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 27, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
The Innocenti on BAT was RNM at $2100.    Seems like it might have met reserve somewhere around $4K is my guess.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
Anyone else notice the trend of how many cars for sale on BaT were bought only a few months prior - on BaT?

It's like Mecum and Bonhams and all the other big auction houses, the same few guys buying and selling over and over again and driving the prices up.......pisses me off cause it's all based on speculation rather than the real value of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 04, 2017, 09:24:28 AM
Or people in the know scouring the for sale adds buying up stuff they've seen go for stupid money on BaT but that the rest of the public hasn't figured out yet.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 04, 2017, 10:23:41 AM
But if they pay stupid money on BaT, how do they expect to make more re-selling on BaT?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 04, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
No, they know people will pay stupid money on BaT, but the random craigslist seller or local seller isn't aware of the market.  Like, O you have a Integra Type R for sale, lovely, I'll give you 10K cause it's in great shape and I had one bla bla bla.  Clean it up, put it on BaT, BAM 35K  Kind of like the 240z market right now.   I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that have no idea what they are currently selling for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 08, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
There's a Mini Van times 1.5 over at BAT.    Not cheap.  But it offers a little more than usual.

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/07/06/__trashed/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 08, 2017, 08:15:23 AM
If it wasn't so much money it would be a good candidate for a D series engine.

Good looking combination tho.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 08, 2017, 08:38:40 AM
Add in the cost and headache of importing from the Netherlands.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 12, 2017, 03:02:41 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2017, 10:33:15 AM
I forgot to mention the Authi Mini is said to have just 14K miles from new, so that makes it even more rare.


BAT indicates that there's a white Moke that needs some bodywork.  Sounds kinda familiar?   ;D    It's a later Oz Moke with the 13" wheels, but it's titled as a 1967, so not exactly correct.  No mention on the engine size.  But it's on Craigslist for $6800 which, in the world of Mokes, is cheap!

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/07/12/lhd-leyland-australia-export-model-1967-morris-mini-moke/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 18, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
Another Min listed on BAT:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on July 18, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
Another Min listed on BAT:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/)

Wow.  From what I can see looking at it with my phone, that is a very nice nearly original Mini.  I can't wait to look at it closer on my computer.   At this point I'm thinking it may approach $20K if the right buyer is out there.  And if it's a UK buyer, it could go higher.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 18, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
The little green one was snagged with an extra 1000 bid.  Pretty sure the entire BaT universe was watching the Cosworth.  Guess they're valuable, but 55K for 80's overdone styling, 200HP and 0-60 in 6.2.  I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 18, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 12, 2017, 03:02:41 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/

You're getting pretty good at this, Carnack the magnificent! Sold for just under $11K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 18, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 12, 2017, 03:02:41 PM
Yet another Mini being auctioned on BAT.  This one is a rare Authi model.   I see that temperature gauge goes from Frio to Caliente.    4.gif

No real under car shots yet.   My wild guess is this one will be bid up to $11-12K.   

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-morris-mini-1000-deluxe/

You're getting pretty good at this, Carnack the magnificent! Sold for just under $11K

Carnack?  Why I'm a regular Donald Osborne (without the singing).   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 19, 2017, 01:51:42 PM
We'll let the panel decide....... ;D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Carnac.jpg)

(http://automotivevaluationservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Assess_Caress_Still.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 19, 2017, 02:31:08 PM
+1 for Carnack.   ;D

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 20, 2017, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on July 18, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
Another Min listed on BAT:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/)

This one is now also listed on Mini Mania's classifieds with a $30K asking price.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 20, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
It's no reserve on BaT???????
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 20, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
The white Aussie Moke sold for the full asking price $6800. Michael P i see your old Yellow Aussie Moke is back for sale on ebay for $28k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 21, 2017, 04:06:16 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 20, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
It's no reserve on BaT???????


It didn't start out at no reserve.   Seller must have gained some confidence.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 21, 2017, 07:02:39 AM
Yes, I saw that my old Yellow Aussie Moke is back on ebay.  It is now under a third "dealer", claiming it to be a 1275 when it is in fact a 998.  When WireWheel had it, they changed the wheels from the factory originals, converted it to LHD, and "lost" the front bumper.  Since then it has apparently had a radio added and the speakers installed into the lid of the truck box.

The outrageous price increases are all solely based on it having once been owned by "Bobby Rahal" (the race car driver).

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 21, 2017, 07:59:56 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on July 21, 2017, 07:02:39 AM
Yes, I saw that my old Yellow Aussie Moke is back on ebay.  It is now under a third "dealer", claiming it to be a 1275 when it is in fact a 998.  When WireWheel had it, they changed the wheels from the factory originals, converted it to LHD, and "lost" the front bumper.  Since then it has apparently had a radio added and the speakers installed into the lid of the truck box.

The outrageous price increases are all solely based on it having once been owned by "Bobby Rahal" (the race car driver).

That makes me think of all the owners and changes a vintage car goes through over its lifetime.  Some are sympathetic, and some just don't care at all. 

And it reminds me of an old movie called "The Yellow Rolls Royce" with a bunch of Hiollywood stars of the 1960s.  The movie follows the life of the Rolls as it is first bought from a dealer by a diplomat, then later is owned by a gangster, and so on. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 18, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on July 18, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
Another Min listed on BAT:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor/)

Wow.  From what I can see looking at it with my phone, that is a very nice nearly original Mini.  I can't wait to look at it closer on my computer.   At this point I'm thinking it may approach $20K if the right buyer is out there.  And if it's a UK buyer, it could go higher.

My guess was high - it just sold for $15K.  Great price for a nearly original early Mk. I Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 24, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Small motor, non-S syndrome......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on July 24, 2017, 02:49:47 PM
That is WAY under what he listed it for on the Mini Mania classifieds.  There it was listed with an asking price of $30K.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on July 24, 2017, 02:49:47 PM
That is WAY under what he listed it for on the Mini Mania classifieds.  There it was listed with an asking price of $30K.

Seems to me that wildly optimistically overpriced is the hallmark of nearly all Minis on the Minimania site (and the Hemings site too for that matter).

I wonder if the seller of that Mini regrets changing it to No Reserve? 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 24, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 24, 2017, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: 94touring on July 24, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html

Yup.  Looks like a nice period Mini in an oh-so-1970s potato brown. In the UK, in that condition, it would probably be about a £5000 car - about $6500.   So the $18000 the seller is seeking is quite a bit higher.   I would think it might find a home here in the US for $9-11K  if someone just had to have it.    IMO, the color, drum brakes, and the small bore engine keep it out of the sights of someone looking for a sporting Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on July 25, 2017, 05:17:17 AM
Quote from: 94touring on July 24, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
How about the price tag on this one in my back yard.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-mini/6221037586.html

Restored, NO NO NO. Repainted, YEP.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
Wadya think of this one for $15K?

https://www.facebook.com/joe.mamari1/posts/1773804692635107 (https://www.facebook.com/joe.mamari1/posts/1773804692635107)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 01, 2017, 05:39:55 PM
He has been trying to sell that one several times on the Mini Mania classifieds.  Here is the latest posting:

http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14395/1984_Austin_1275GT_Sedan (http://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14395/1984_Austin_1275GT_Sedan)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 01, 2017, 06:08:33 PM
If you look carefully at the photos,, you can see some black patches up on the right side of the cowl and by the right rear arch, I asked him about those and he said they were rust bubbles.....  :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 09:44:50 AM
Two Mini wagons for sale on BaT right now, I think I like the yellow one better....LHD, plus the wood and the 1275 but both are nice.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman/)

The blue one is a no reserve auction and brought $17Kand change only a year ago on BaT. It will be interesting to see what it does this year.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-traveller-2/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-traveller-2/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 11, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Of the two Mini wagons on BAT I actually seem to prefer the blue one.

The item I am tempted by is the MG Midget with the Ashley GT conversion:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mg-midgetashley-gt/ (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mg-midgetashley-gt/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 01:51:58 PM
I just sent that link to a friend of mine!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 11, 2017, 02:53:22 PM
Nuts! 

I've been trying to decide if I wanted to be brave enough to jump into that one.  Now I am likely to end up with serious competition for it if I decide to be serious about it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 11, 2017, 03:34:38 PM
No, he's not a buyer, he just bought a '79 - I was just showing it to him...no worries!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: paulmc130 on August 12, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Anyone have any ideas on this one? Never seen a Clubman coupe before.

http://ebay.com/itm/222610319464
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 12, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
I think that's a Broadspeed conversion, I've seen those before - I kinda like them on the round nose cars....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 12, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
I think there was also a place in Australia doing a similar conversion called the Monaco.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 12, 2017, 03:33:28 PM
Didn't the Monaco have flared fenders too tho?

Man I don't understand how anyone can buy a car off Ebay with this few pics and this little info......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 12, 2017, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: paulmc130 on August 12, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Anyone have any ideas on this one? Never seen a Clubman coupe before.

http://ebay.com/itm/222610319464

If it was closer I would go check it out. Always liked that look.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 12, 2017, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 12, 2017, 03:33:28 PM
Didn't the Monaco have flared fenders too tho?

Man I don't understand how anyone can buy a car off Ebay with this few pics and this little info......

I did a Google search on "Mini Monaco" and looked at the image page that came up.  Some have flares of varying sorts and some don't.  All of them have a lower, chopped and more raked roofline.  The one on ebay appears full height.  I would go with your first guess of it being a Broadspeed conversion (or replica of the Broadspeed).

Perhaps something ABS Motorsport in the UK offered at one time?

Edit: Probably not a Broadspeed conversion - all of those shown in a similar Google search have the "duck tail" configuration.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 12, 2017, 08:04:35 PM
I remember on minimania several years ago a guy named madmatt in Australia had a fiberglass roof panel of the Monaco made. I believe he had 10-12 made for sale. I am betting this car is from downunder and was put together there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 12, 2017, 08:12:42 PM
Could be from Oz, but doesn't have the flush exterior door handles of the Aussie-built Clubman models, so I don't know.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2017, 07:41:34 AM
Well, the yellow woody sold for $11K, pretty reasonable IMHO......although I think it had rust in the sills......so maybe not such a great deal, hard to say.

The blue wagon goes today, it will be fun to see where it lands but I think it will do better despite the smaller engine....I'm especially intrigued by these guys buying them on BaT and re-selling 6 months or a year later. Wonder if it will do better or cost him a bit?

The red Ashley Midget only brought $6600 - mplayle, did you bid on it? I think it was a decent buy at that price, but with the non-reclining seats and hard top, I don't think I could have gotten in and out of it. I can barely do that in Don's car with the reclining seats and the top down. Once in the car there's plenty of room - it's even harder to get in and out of than my old Jag.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2017, 09:50:50 AM
I did not bid on it.  That would have been a very good buy, but I decided to be a wimp and hold onto my finances for a while longer.

Too many years of being on a tight budget and I tend to be afraid of spending when I have it available.  Put that with fluctuating contract hours and I chickened out.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Don't blame you one bit!

BTDT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 18, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 18, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......
I've been busy and haven't kept up on BAT auctions lately.  But I just checked the listing for this Mini to see if MiniGuy did some lowball bids and then dropped out only to later to post about his business.   

Not disappointed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 18, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
That blue Mini wagon sold for $12750, about what I thought it should go for, maybe a bit low.......the small bore engine probably held it back some but the real eye opener for me is the $5 grand the guy lost owning it for one year.

Betting on appreciation did not work for this BaT flipper......

I was watching Jay Leno's show and  they were talking about how a compelling story or interesting history of a car being sold can help add value to it.    Not sure I completely bought that idea but it could have some merit to it. 

Looks like this was the complete opposite - a short term flipper who had tried various other ways to get rid of it, and then finally came to BAT.   So, it appeared he really did not care much for the car and was simply trying to dispose of it. How appealing is something not wanted?  But, imagine if this car had an honest true story about how much it meant to someone, how important it was in their lives, or maybe adventures they had with it.  I bet it could've sold for a lot more if that was the case.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 18, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Well, I was the high bidder on that Clubman coupe thing on ebay. Did not meet reserve, listed again with a but it now at $9300.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
Brad, are you just looking for a Mini that is not run-of-the-mill?   Because I think that car is it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 18, 2017, 05:31:02 PM
It is kinda neat. For sure would have the only one around.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2017, 05:42:53 PM
The eBay ad is kinda sparse.  Does it have an 1100 engine?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 28, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
Multiple Minis imported from Japan are currently available here:   http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_list2.php?location_id=14&mfg_year2=1992&key=&Submit.x=79&Submit.y=10

Not much detail on them and few photos, but they are already in the US, so that's something.

Here's one with a 1300 engine and a/c.   
http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4613#photo 

A LHD one, but no a/c.
http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4585

And several automatic Minis too:

http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4606

http://www.minitruckdealer.com/stock_details.php?stock_no=4581

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 28, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
For supposedly being in the US, those pictures are from the Japanese auction and not very good quality.  You would think if they have them in actual inventory, they would take more and better pictures for posting on their US website.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2017, 06:35:07 AM
Agreed.  They seem to focus on the Kei trucks which are a pretty much a commodity.  They are pretty bad about going into detail on anything. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 29, 2017, 07:48:18 AM
The vin number on the LHD yellow one with no a/c is not a Mini vin number. Some of the J spec Mini's advertised have an SAXX vin number and others have a 99X vin number, the yellow one has neither unless it has the wrong vin entered.The SAXX vin numbered Mini's are the original factory vin numbers, the 99X vin numbers are the one's crudely stamped into the body in Japan usually in the boot floor sometimes with the original SAXX vin plates right next to them or on the inner fender.
If buying a J spec Mini personally (the way my DMV operates) i would look at the SAXX vin numbered ones to buy as they have the corresponding drip rail vin to match, not saying you cannot register a 99X Mini as i know of several that have been registered that way with no issues. The 99X vin numbers were only used for a couple of years in the late 80's early 90's.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2017, 08:48:58 AM
Good info to know.   A 17 digit VIN in the expected configuration not only helps with registration, but with obtaining insurance too.  Bureaucracies don't deal with anomalies very well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2017, 07:53:30 AM
Not on BAT, but on Pistonheads is this Mini on sale for £130,000  :-\   It's an ex-BMC works rally car and the seller explains that it has been re-shelled.


https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/morris/other-models/1964-bmc-cooper-s-works-ex-monte-carlo-paddy-hopkirk/7606639

(https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/morris/other-models/morris-other-models-S3067246-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2017, 08:34:17 AM
is in excellent condition and retains many of its original Works parts – including the original chassis plate –  so rare in many similar cars today.

;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
Nice Mk. II Morris Mini Cooper 998 on auction over at BAT.   It's certified as the final Morris Mini Cooper produced, which I think is something.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-cooper-mk2/

The downside is that it's in Greece.  And the color won't appeal to everyone.   Plus it's a 998 rather than a Cooper S.  My wild guess is that it will go for about $18K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2017, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 30, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
Nice Mk. II Morris Mini Cooper 998 on auction over at BAT.   It's certified as the final Morris Mini Cooper produced, which I think is something.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-cooper-mk2/

The downside is that it's in Greece.  And the color won't appeal to everyone.   Plus it's a 998 rather than a Cooper S.  My wild guess is that it will go for about $18K.

This Morris Mini Cooper just sold for...


...$18,250. 




I'm going to take me victory lap now.   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2017, 05:33:36 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-16/

Not a mini, but I'm sure people will appreciate.  Still my favorite car to ever come out of Japan and probably in my favorite color combination.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
You da man Bruce!

What do you think the RX7 will sell for?

BTW, $18,250 plus 5% buyers premium plus $2500 shipping to NY, plus customs duties and fees, plus shipping to Stamford, Conn. so more like $22,500 delivered. Guy said he had a 2015 Cooper S in Volcano orange and couldn't pass it up......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
This one is interesting to me, as I had an Abarth Nardi 750......this one is interesting because the engine has been changed for an 850, which turns the other direction - which means you need an 850 transmission, which will not fit between the rear control arms.......and on it goes......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-abarth-750/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-abarth-750/)

Mine had a similar finned oil pan, only it said Nardi on it instead of Abarth. Mine also had a finned Nardi valve cover......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 06, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
Clean rx7 kept stock, 25k and up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
On eBay, but featured on BAT:  It's a Mini Jim, but not as we know it.

It's a Mini in an Italian costume.

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/07/alejandros-other-hybrid-1982-innocenti-mini-de-tomaso/

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-RQAAOSwVgZZrW8I/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 02:39:00 PM
I like that Inno, but when you listen and watch the vids it rattles and squeaks and carries on just like a Mini!   ;D

Here's a Pup for sale on Hemmings, even discounting for the Hemmings price bump I think this is a little optimistic.....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html)

There's also a much more reasonably priced 67 850 on Hemmings....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3)

And an in-the-middle priced MkI Wagon

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2)

And then there's this eye wateringly priced Traveler......

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 07, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Yea, those marketers at Gateway classics make hemmings look like craigslist.  What's sad is there are people out there that just don't know and think, "wow what a bargin, I thought classic coopers went for 50K+"

The pup was nice, until the close ups started.  It's in Austin though so don't tell the misses.  LOL.  Realistic price on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2017, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)

Looks like a very nice Mini. I wonder what it will sell for?   My guess is around $15K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 07, 2017, 08:42:12 PM
The Pup is over priced a bit.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2017, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 02:39:00 PM
I like that Inno, but when you listen and watch the vids it rattles and squeaks and carries on just like a Mini!   ;D

Here's a Pup for sale on Hemmings, even discounting for the Hemmings price bump I think this is a little optimistic.....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1995015.html)

There's also a much more reasonably priced 67 850 on Hemmings....

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1984212.html#&gid=1&pid=3)

And an in-the-middle priced MkI Wagon

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/mini/1744001.html#&gid=1&pid=2)

And then there's this eye wateringly priced Traveler......

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/austin/countryman-a40/1921781.html)

I agree with Mark on the Pickup -- need beer goggles to love it.

The plain Mini 850 is the nicest of the four since it is mostly original, but it still seems priced high.

The red wagon looks a lot like my old Traveller, but what a crazy price.   

The white rusty wagon is priced about 3 times what it is worth. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2017, 08:12:30 PM
Another Mini on BAT.    Not what you might be expecting.    If the markets crash you can count on your roof!


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-after-eight/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 10, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
Speaking of mint rx7's.  And over on the rx7club a chaste white with 65k miles sold for 27k...with a blown motor!

  http://m.ebay.com/itm/1993-Mazda-RX-7-Coupe-Only-21-128-actual-miles-/391883876836?hash=item5b3e1969e4%3Ag%3ADoAAAOSwY0hZswAD&_trkparms=pageci%253A96abefb6-96a5-11e7-92d4-74dbd18079e4%257Cparentrq%253A6f176d8015e0a86702566b6fffe90a10%257Ciid%253A9
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 10, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Or even more expensive and not left concourse.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mazda-RX-7-Touring-/263187207247?hash=item3d472e144f%3Ag%3AqV4AAOSwRaRZrdd9&_trkparms=pageci%253Aab4961bc-96a6-11e7-afcf-74dbd1801de2%257Cparentrq%253A6f1e825515e0aa14c937a107ffe915ab%257Ciid%253A7
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 11, 2017, 01:38:07 PM
Mike Malamut's car is up for sale on BaT. This is the one I almost got to drive from Maryland to KC, and then tow to Sandy Eggo last spring. Surprised to see it up for sale already but he probably found a better one to buy......that's how he does his collection, he buys the nicest he can find and if he finds a nicer yet one, sells the other one back off again.

Good luck Mike!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-4/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-4/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSC_0672-1280x836.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2017, 02:16:17 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2017, 02:10:06 PM
Just like Mark did, I finally hit the Big Time over at BAT with an inclusion in "Yesterday's comments of note"   https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/12/yesterdays-comments-of-note-140/

Long ago I signed up as LarryH on that site.  (to protect my secret identity!)  BAT liked my Comment about teenage shenanigans in my family's station wagon.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 12, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
The family truckster.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 12, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 11, 2017, 02:16:17 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2017, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 12, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 11, 2017, 02:16:17 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?

No.  I think it will bid to about $15K and may not make reserve.  But who knows?

As I said above, a lot depends on the tone of the auction.   Right now, the tone in the comments is  somewhat negative because it was listed as a Cooper. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 12, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
And Bruce, that is exactly why my kid will not be driving the family SUV later in life.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2017, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 07, 2017, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 07, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
Another Greek Mini on Bat.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-restored-1969-austin-mini-cooper-mkii/)

Looks like a very nice Mini. I wonder what it will sell for?   My guess is around $15K.

Bid only to $12K.  Reserve not met.   I think it was worth more - the seller could not have been more accommodating.  I guess when you think about the shipping and import costs from Greece it could have caused some potential buyers to hold back.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 14, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/)

this one should be interesting to watch, a real 67 Cooper S that sold in June for $41K, but the buyer backed out when it blew it's head gasket right after the sale. Heritage Garage fixed it up and now it's back for sale......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 14, 2017, 07:41:47 PM
Didn't want to put this on BaT, but I smell fish.  You bid up a car to 41K, it's beautiful and has pedigree, but realize the only "valuable" cars today seem to be all original.  Which this is clearly not and you back out because of a head gasket.  What's that take, 5 minutes to change?  Skeptic.  Buyer realized he probably overpaid based off of OG Cooper S values and got lucky to get out.  Guess we'll see what the market says this time.

Maybe just me though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 06:26:09 AM
I see that rx7 went for 21.5k. About what I'd expect for 50k miles on that color.  White, yellow, and red seem to be the big money colors.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 06:35:05 AM
I agree Mark, that's why I think it will be interesting to see where it goes....also to see if the market is still as strong on these.

I think a lot of these deals are starting to smell, cars being bought up for big numbers and 6 months later they're back up for auction, hoping to snare an even bigger deal.....just like Mecum. If you watch that show you'll see the same few guys bidding up the muscle cars ever show.

There's an E-Type coupe on there right now that brought all the money on BaT not long ago too......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 07:06:02 AM
I hope 67 cooper s's go for 41k+. I happen to know a guy who forgets he owns one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 08:22:00 AM
 ;D  4.gif 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2017, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 07:06:02 AM
I hope 67 cooper s's go for 41k+. I happen to know a guy who forgets he owns one.

Ouch!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 15, 2017, 09:09:32 AM
Yes, but it needs $30K of work!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 15, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
Yes but I don't charge myself lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 08, 2017, 08:12:30 PM
Another Mini on BAT.    Not what you might be expecting.    If the markets crash you can count on your roof!


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-after-eight/

The 998 Mini with the real gold leaf roof sold for a little over $11K.   I'd say the novelty of the gold roof didn't really hurt it – or help it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2017, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 12, 2017, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 12, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 11, 2017, 02:16:17 PM
Nice Mini -  a Mk. I you can drive and enjoy without the worry of it being a true Cooper S. 

Depending on how the auction goes, I think he will get just a little bit more than he paid for it.

He paid $16,650 plus 5% buyers commission so about $17,500, plus $1600 to get it shipped to him - that's $19,100.....still think he'll make a little on it?

No.  I think it will bid to about $15K and may not make reserve.  But who knows?

As I said above, a lot depends on the tone of the auction.   Right now, the tone in the comments is  somewhat negative because it was listed as a Cooper.

Sold for $17250.  Seems like a good price for that car.   

So more than he paid for it, but less than he spent to ship it, pay tax on it, register it, etc.     But I'm sure he didn't buy it to make money on it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 18, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
I'm sure he's thrilled with that result, and I think it was a good buy.......you're right, money is not the issue with him!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 20, 2017, 07:43:38 AM
There must be several dozen different aftermarket kit cars bodies for Minis, this to me is one of the less successful looking ones.....

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/19/the-real-deal-1979-mccoy-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/2017/09/19/the-real-deal-1979-mccoy-mini/)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5uIAAOSwEH9ZZ-~V/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 20, 2017, 08:59:39 AM
I guess since underneath the mini is just two sub frames connected by a shell, you could literally make the shell anything.  A lot like the VW pan, the entire rolling chassis with engine is there, so just attached whatever to it.

Odd I have both, and turns out so do a lot of other people I've met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 05:31:28 AM
That McCoy is not exactly a styling tour de force, is it?

Over at BAT, a Mk. I Cooper S was relisted and this time sold for $36K.  I  just could not warm up to this car - probably because of the over-processed and filtered photos.  It was like a woman with way too much make-up. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-2-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-09-11-at-1.52.17-PM-940x697.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 05:42:17 AM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/JY9A3737-940x627.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 22, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Like someone said, that was an expensive head gasket.  Of course I'll stick with my original opinion that the back out had nothing to do with the head gasket.  My favorite part on that one was what I saw someone call the fat toe wheels.  Course now that's all I see. 

Think this Greek one is the same seller of the last one that didn't meet reserve.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2017, 08:41:11 AM
I wonder if the bloom is off the rose.....of the last 40 auctions completed as of today, 11 of them did not make reserve. Might have something to do with why they asked my grandsons to run such a low reserve on their Honda Beat when they listed it.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 25, 2017, 03:54:12 AM
Wondered the same thing.  This auction listings are starting to look like a national craigslist/ebay with lots of random stuff trying to sell for TOP dollar. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 05:42:17 AM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/


24 hours to go and the reserve has been removed on this Mini.  I think that will get the ball rolling and it might sell for $15K-$16K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 28, 2017, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 27, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 22, 2017, 05:42:17 AM
And now there is another Mini from Greece on BAT.    This is like the 3rd one in as many weeks.

It may be from the 70s, but this one screams the 90s with all the updates.  Said to have been completely refurbished.   Looks to be clean and well-built and very well presented with great photos.   The tan interior looks very nice.  For all the money that must have been spent on it, I wonder why they stuck with a 998 engine instead of a 1275?

Since it's far away in Greece that will put some people off, but I'm guessing someone will bid about $13K-$14K for it.    Not sure if that will make the reserve.  I think the bidding may depend on how often the smaller engine size comes up in the comments.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mini-mark-iv/


24 hours to go and the reserve has been removed on this Mini.  I think that will get the ball rolling and it might sell for $15K-$16K.

I was waaay off the mark.  Just sold for a fantastic price of $10,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 28, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
I think the biggest problem with this car is the location and the cost to get it here.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 07, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
Nice Mk. I Cooper S from Australia on BAT. 

Difficult to tell how an auction will turn out, but since it's a real S, I'm guessing it's going to go for about the mid-$30K range.  Maybe more?   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper-s-2/


Mark, looks like it has that funky headliner style like yours - nothing like an English Mk. I or Mk. II headliner.   More like a Mk. III style.  Definitely a unique Oz feature.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 09, 2017, 03:59:43 AM
Yea, just hope the one from newton interiors is correct.  It claims to be the Australian MK1.  Fingers crossed when I order it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2017, 04:53:52 AM
What are you referring to on the headliner, looked like a normal MkI to me, what am I missing?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2017, 06:12:22 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 09, 2017, 04:53:52 AM
What are you referring to on the headliner, looked like a normal MkI to me, what am I missing?

Not the material, but the shape of it.  A 'normal' English headliner sits above the cant rail, with painted metal visible just below the headliner.  And it's easily removable in a front and rear framed piece.  But apparently the Oz Minis had a headliner shape more like a Mk. III that come down further and was held in by the windows.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2017, 02:46:52 PM
The Cooper S from Oz is up to $17K with two full days remaining.   It's not totally stock, but nobody is throwing rocks at it, so the auction is going well. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2017, 03:07:40 PM
Not on BAT, but local to me.  Looks to be a Japanese-spec Mini with a/c   4.gif  and an automatic    :-[       Not inexpensive either.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/d/1976-austin-morris-mini-cooper/6341131603.html

(https://images.craigslist.org/00B0B_2VOzCmp4Ugq_1200x900.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 11, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
a 1976 like mine's a 72  :D

sure sits up high in front, looks like 14" wheels!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 11, 2017, 07:52:40 PM
And now for something completely different.....our own Larry H commented extensively on this the last time it showed up on BaT, 3 years ago.....if only it had a few more lights.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-wolseley-hornet-mkii/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-wolseley-hornet-mkii/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/247_main_l-940x624.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 12, 2017, 04:58:40 AM
Wonder what it would cost to remove every single thing on it made after 1975. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 12, 2017, 07:31:57 AM
The last time it was on BaT in 2014, it didn't have any of the "extras", it had a white roof, chrome arches, 12" wheels, and no lights. I can't say all the extra stuff has helped the looks with the possible exception of the black roof - I think that looks smart on this car.

The inside boot pics are interesting - the extra length really shows up there.....this is the only pic I could find.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Other_Makes_1966_Wolseley_Hornet_Similar_to_Classic_Mini_eBay_1414307153.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 13, 2017, 10:00:09 AM
The Aussie Mini is at $17,500 with 5 hours to go, wonder where it will wind up? One guy is saying that it would be cheaper and easier to buy this one and take it back to Oz than finding a nice one there.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 13, 2017, 03:22:53 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 13, 2017, 10:00:09 AM
The Aussie Mini is at $17,500 with 5 hours to go, wonder where it will wind up? One guy is saying that it would be cheaper and easier to buy this one and take it back to Oz than finding a nice one there.......

Reserve Not Met at just over $20K.    And rightly so IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2017, 07:53:21 AM
Today is the final day for the Wolsley, MiniGuy has been in there bidding consistently....I think he smells a deal and that the car will sell cheaply - he may be right.

The car has plenty of things going for it and not too many screw-ups that can't be fixed fairly easily, but it is a 998 and you have to like the styling - which I've never been able to get around myself......still, it could turn out to be a good buy. I wonder if MiniGuy would turn around a few months later and sell it on BaT again like Mike Malamut did with his?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 18, 2017, 07:53:21 AM
Today is the final day for the Wolsley, MiniGuy has been in there bidding consistently....I think he smells a deal and that the car will sell cheaply - he may be right.

The car has plenty of things going for it and not too many screw-ups that can't be fixed fairly easily, but it is a 998 and you have to like the styling - which I've never been able to get around myself......still, it could turn out to be a good buy. I wonder if MiniGuy would turn around a few months later and sell it on BaT again like Mike Malamut did with his?

I doubt that.  Last I looked he is consignment only - the other business model he tried 15+ years ago where he owned inventory did not work.

Nothing against the Guy personally, but last time I looked he has bid on something like 50 (!) cars on BAT, and won exactly zero cars at auction.  Easy to accomplish if your bids have never come close to approaching the true selling value of the cars.   

He always drops out of bidding well before the final bids. Sure, maybe he just wants to snag a bargain.  Who doesn't?  But at some point you have to ask does he really want to own the cars he is bidding on?  I think not.  I believe his bidding is simply a tactic to appear as an interested, involved party so he can later drop some not too subtle comments that always include references to both his business and his website.   

It is easy to forget that he is a direct competitor to BAT.  He is effectively prospecting for business right under their noses. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 30, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
Just popped up on BaT, and I got to answer a technical question thanks to the knowledge learned from this awesome crowd. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-innocenti-cooper-1300/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 03:24:09 PM
"dents are present from the roof hitting the ceiling of the seller's garage while the car was one a lift."

Ha! I never heard of such a thing!   ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 30, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
There is sort of a Mini Moke on BAT, and it makes Michael's bad bodied-Moke look good.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke/

In 5+ years I have never posted negative comments about a car being auctioned on BAT before, but this one made me do it.  It's a mess.  I've got a feeling I might get flagged as non-constructive, so I'll include my comments here in case they get disappeared.

Quote
While I appreciate this vehicle was apparently brought back from the dead, the result is so um... custom, I'm not sure it's correct to still call it a Mini Moke. To the trained eye, (former Moke owner here) I can see that nearly all body panels are completely different from those as it was originally built. The nose is wrong, the back is wrong, the sides are wrong, the bumpers are wrong, and the dash is really wrong. The good news is that Moke body panels, and even a complete replacement Moke body is available from a supplier in the UK, but the costs of throwing this body away and changing it over back to original spec will likely be more than the auction reserve will permit.

And Holy crazy engine-steady, Batman! I've got a feeling that was done when it was on Catalina just to keep it on the road and earning rental fees – as was the interesting welding on the firewall. I'm guessing whoever did the bodywork didn't know what to do with it and just left it intact. Not sure where the 14″ wheel information comes from but it is way off – this car is definitely wearing 10″ wheels.

I guess if you want something Moke-like this is the vehicle for you.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 05:19:25 PM
Good point on the trophies, cornholio....that's some nice hardware (glassware?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 30, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
I tend to agree with Bruce about the "Moke".  At least mine retained the side cubbies.

No undercarriage pictures to see what that side of the floors look like, nor how the subframe mounts are.

They picked a strange place to put the temperature sensor - in the heater port near #4 cylinder.

The wiring is a bit wonky too.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 30, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
On the temp sensor tap I expect they didn't have a heater, since it was used indoors?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 30, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
The factory locations for a temperature sensor are either the thermostat housing in in the head just below the thermostat housing.

If it came from the factory without a heater, the heater port would not have been drilled out.  To put the temperature sensor there, they would have had to drill and tap that port.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 06:25:52 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 30, 2017, 05:29:48 PM

They picked a strange place to put the temperature sensor - in the heater port near #4 cylinder.


How about that engine steady mounted in front of the first spark plug?   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 31, 2017, 07:14:52 AM
I had to study a couple of the pictures to figure that one out.  They made a bracket that uses two of the head studs above #1 to hold it in place.  It does seem to be overkill.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 31, 2017, 07:14:52 AM
I had to study a couple of the pictures to figure that one out.  They made a bracket that uses two of the head studs above #1 to hold it in place.  It does seem to be overkill.
I rented a Moke on Catalina Island about 1990.  It was so beat up, so worn out, that I was amazed it still drove.  Because the engine mounts were shot, and the upper engine steady was completely missing (!), they had crudely cut the firewall away so the carb would not bang against it as the engine rocked back and forth!  Their only concern was keeping the Mokes earning rental income.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on October 31, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
The Catalina Moke in my basement is a rusted hulk. Would not drive it past the end of the street. It's upper steady is an engineering marvel also.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 31, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
I didn't know you have a Moke.   That engine steady in the photo looks like it was designed by the same guy.  Or maybe the same gorilla.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on October 31, 2017, 01:35:47 PM
And if you look close in the photo you can see the spark plug they used in lower rad hose where the heater hose would go.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 31, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Brad,

No wonder you guys are watching my adventures with M-Parts and the new shell.  So many "hidden" Mokes waiting resurrection.

My new shell should be delivered tomorrow or Thursday at the latest.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 10:03:13 AM
Another Mini on BAT. 

This one is an automatic Mini (the first such one on BAT?) and while it looks like a very nice car with no major flaws, that transmission means for many people this is nothing more than just a rolling Mini bodyshell which will definitely need a different powerplant. 

Unless...  there is a very small market of people out there who'd love an automatic Mini and will consider the car ideal just as it is?   Does such a group exist?   People who can't/won't drive a manual transmission and always wanted a Mini?

My crazy guess is this will be bid up to perhaps $8-$10K.  Unless somebody just has to have it and it could go higher. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mini-hle/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-11-09-at-11.06.08-AM-940x651.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on November 10, 2017, 10:08:34 AM
I Built an auto for a guy, so they exist.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
They sold the crap out of them in Japan......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 12:22:37 PM
The auction for the automatic Mini just took a turn. 

The seller just mentioned that he is offering a complete Mini engine with a manual transmission FREE to whomever buys this Mini.  That is sure to get more people interested because the car instantly becomes a DIY project in the minds of many.

The downside is the condition of the engine is unknown by the seller, (and the engine size too), but I suspect there will be a clamoring for photos of the just-mentioned engine so it can be dissected, probed and discussed at great length by the commenters staring at photos.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on November 10, 2017, 12:24:41 PM
Guido's Wife Rhonnie has a Auto mini  and they've caravan'ed from Florida to NC and Back again with Full CMU event weekends under their belts.  They WILL work if you treat them right. She also knows how to wind it up and give em hell, Shes Fast in it... ! so ..  not a Traditional transmission to have in a mini but they do go fine!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
The cool part about the Mini automatic (and probably the ONLY cool part about it) was that it was a 4 speed from the get go (1964 I think) in a time when most autos were 2 or at most 3 speeds. It actually performed pretty well, but did require more frequent oil changes. Like I said, they sold a metric ton of them to Japan.

You can buy parts for them and they're not any more complicated to work on than the manual IMHO.

Everyone is so fixed on a manual trans....much like the dislike for the Series II Jags....I don't understand either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 01:45:57 PM

Everyone is so fixed on a manual trans....much like the dislike for the Series II Jags....I don't understand either.

Yeah, that would be me.  I've never owned a car with an automatic.  (and I've never owned a Series II Jaguar either for that matter!)    ;D     

I realize at some point 'down the road' I may own a hybrid or electric car that of course would be an automatic by definition. But that's about the only way I can see myself owning one. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
Isn't your Infiniti an auto trans?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
Isn't your Infiniti an auto trans?
What Infiniti?

Oh... you mean my wife's car.   ;D 

Yup, that's a fancy-ass 7-speed automatic that takes what seems like several long seconds to kickdown in a passing situation.    It's definitely tuned for cruising.  But it does turn a low 2,800 rpm at 80mph IIRC.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
wife's car.......OK....... ;D

I am all for personal choice, but I don't understand people who say they "hate" this or that car because of the headlights or something.......oh well.

Although I can genuinely say I hate the front end of the new Lexus - period!   ;D

I fully understand that some auto trans are not very "sporty", but I really like the one in my MINI and don't condemn them all for the sins of one, and most modern auto transmissions are extremely good, and actually quicker than their stick counterparts - and get better fuel mileage. In most driving situations today an auto is the right choice, when you're driving the Dragon maybe a stick is more fun, but going down the interstate - does it really matter?

That's part of why my hot rod Eco-Mini will have a 6 speed automatic.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 11, 2017, 07:50:22 AM
Another Mini has just popped up on BAT.  This one is an true Mk. I Cooper S and it falls somewhere between original and restored.  Well, it's closer to original except that it has been repainted.  But the original interior is pretty well worn and the engine compartment looks like the engine compartment of the 52 year old car that it is.  And there is a photo showing some rust at the bottom of a door. Rust on a Mini never makes anybody feed good.  Plus, somebody has overtightened a door hinge causing the body to deform.   

So those people that favor the current fad (?) of o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l  won't be totally happy with it, and other people who would like an old car to look as close as possible to factory-fresh (is that an older fad?) won't be happy either.

This Mini has just come out of long-term storage and it runs, but it's not really clear how much mechanical work, if any, may be needed.  Right now, there are no underbody photos (how is it that BAT accepts cars for auction without such photos?) and that in some ways could be telling.  It's only 1 day into the auction and things can take strange turns with the commenting audience on BAT -- especially since the issue of rust is unknown.  But since it's real Cooper S, and a Mk. I at that, I think this car will attract a lot of attention.  Let's say it's not "too" rusty - it could go for $30K or more.  Hard to guess until the mystery of the possible rust issues is addressed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/D8989707-6E1A-40B5-8421-B6797920546B-940x702.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 09:44:57 AM
Remember the white one that started the stupidity on BaT - went for like $54K.....didn't run, needed body work, interior, engine o'haul etc etc etc?

This one says the sills were replaced when it was painted. Did these come from the factory with 7'5" discs? I thought they had 7", my '62 did anyway. Maybe that's just BaT incorrect info again.......

I wonder if this one will stay here or go back to Europe?

After one day......current bid $16,500.    8.gif

BTW, I thought I recognized the address, and the seller - this is Mike Bernard - the last car he sold on BaT was the red Mini I was supposed to bring to Ca for Mike Malamut. That car was a  much nicer car and sold for about what this one is bid now.

I also wonder if this one will drag the price of the automatic up with it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 11, 2017, 10:21:32 AM
Dave,

One of the differences between the Cooper and Cooper-S was the disk brake size.  The Cooper models had the 7" disks and the Cooper-S models had the larger 7.5" disks.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Early Cooper S had 7" discs, mine did anyway........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 11, 2017, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Early Cooper S had 7" discs, mine did anyway........
Dave is it possible you are not remembering it correctly?   If your car had 7" disc brakes and was a 1962 model, it must have been a 997 Mini Cooper - or a bitsa Mini.  It could not have been a 1962 Cooper S.   

The S model of the Cooper line was not introduced until March of 1963 when the 1071 S was launched.  A full year later, in March of 1964, two new Cooper S models were launched, the 1275 S and the 970 S which was basically built for 'under 1 liter' racing homologation.  And just 5 months later, in August 1964, the 1071 S was discontinued.   The run of the 970 S was even shorter - it lasted just 9 months because it was dropped in January 1965. 

And in the non-S Cooper world, the 997 Cooper was replaced by the 998 Cooper in January 1964.  Just 1cc bigger, but with an entirely different bore and stroke.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2017, 12:16:55 PM
Mine was a German export 1071 Cooper S, with the 7" discs and dry suspension.....it was titled as a '62, that's all I know.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 13, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
A tale of two Minis on BAT.

Bidding (and comments) on the automatic Mini on BAT have kinda of stalled after some not-so-favorable discussions of issues with automatic Minis.  The seller is not doing himself any favors by not yet posting photos of the free engine with manual transmission (which is sort of the solution those who don't want an automatic Mini will look for).   I get the feeling the seller has given up and is just waiting for the auction to end at RNM.

The Cooper S, even with some additional rust disclosed, jumped quickly up into the low $20Ks now and there seems to be some interest from the UK - which nearly always means big £££ for Mk. I cars.  But the rebuilt engine with no ID numbers can hurt it in the eyes of the purists.   

I'm getting popcorn ready...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 13, 2017, 12:53:42 PM
If they have the original numbers via Heritage Certificate, what's to stop someone from having a plate made up and riveting it on to this engine? The plates and rivets are readily available and it's easy to get one embossed (instead of stamped) the same way the factory did it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 13, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
If the plate is missing is there another way to determine it's the original engine?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 13, 2017, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on November 13, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
If the plate is missing is there another way to determine it's the original engine?

Not that I know of.  The truth is that a Cooper S engine sitting in a mostly original Cooper S car is almost surely the one it was built with.  Both of those items are pretty rare and valuable and they are not often separated. 

In my experience once an engine is disassembled and dropped in the tank to "boil it out" before a rebuild the flimsy aluminum engine tag just falls apart.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 13, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
Dead right, it just melts it away. If they didn't save it ahead of time it's lost.....so make up a new one and off you go. I know people insist that it have the engine that came with the car, but over the decades many were changed out when they needed to be rebuilt.....at this point in time how would anyone know?

As long as it has the "right" engine, how would anyone ever know? Much ado about nothing IMHO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 16, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 10, 2017, 10:03:13 AM
Another Mini on BAT. 

This one is an automatic Mini (the first such one on BAT?) and while it looks like a very nice car with no major flaws, that transmission means for many people this is nothing more than just a rolling Mini bodyshell which will definitely need a different powerplant. 

Unless...  there is a very small market of people out there who'd love an automatic Mini and will consider the car ideal just as it is?   Does such a group exist?   People who can't/won't drive a manual transmission and always wanted a Mini?

My crazy guess is this will be bid up to perhaps $8-$10K.  Unless somebody just has to have it and it could go higher. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mini-hle/


Just sold for $8,500.     I wonder if it will stay an automatic or receive a transplant?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2017, 04:23:41 PM
Seems like a fair price for it - nice car to build on if they decide too. Most people use their cars so little that to me the auto is not a hindrance - if all you're doing is running around town and going to local car shows - why bother changing it?

Did you see the new one today?

The almond green Cooper S should be interesting - I swear I saw a lot of blue smoke out the tail pipe on one of the vids he posted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 16, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Deja vu all over again.

This Mk. I Mini went Reserve Not Met at under $10K about 7 months ago on BAT.   Now it's had a few updates since then and it is being listed again.   

It is very much a bitsa Mini, it looks pretty nice in a rarely-seen color.  But the underside is kind of beat up. 

BAT is listing it as a "1962 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1 1275cc" but without a real VIN nobody really can tell what it started life as.  A full front skirt points to it being an early Mk. I - if that panel is original to the car.   

Since it's a Mk. I, that adds some intrinsic value as does having a 1275 engine and upgraded disc brakes.  My wild guess is this will be bid for $13K - $15K  - no idea if it will be RNM again though...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IMG_0317-940x627.jpg)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 16, 2017, 06:07:50 PM
Idk, I think it looked better before. It's just been boy racered up and served back up for sale. Wonder what he got it for after RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 07:54:03 AM
Well, today's the day to see what Mike Bernard's Cooper S goes for......it's at $23,500 as of 9am. and getting a lot of positive comments from the cognoscenti.....my comment about the blue smoke was brushed aside as nothing more than valve stem seals, although to me that means at least a valve job - cause if you're going to fix those you might as well put the hardened seats in and so on. He says it has really good compression so he may be right about the stem seals - looked like more than that to me tho.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 08:50:52 AM
Yeah, that auction seems to have a little momentum now after stalling for five days.  I think it could go for the mid-30s to the low 40s.   The paint looks way off to me – it does not look like proper Almond Green when it was repainted.  And the rust issue seems to be confined to where the bottom of a seat tube beat up the floor.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 08:50:52 AM
Yeah, that auction seems to have a little momentum now after stalling for five days.  I think it could go for the mid-30s to the low 40s.   The paint looks way off to me – it does not look like proper Almond Green when it was repainted.  And the rust issue seems to be confined to where the bottom of a seat tube beat up the floor.

And it's gone!   It was at $23K and then there was a whole lot of last minute bidding (is there really any other kind of bidding?) with the bids jumping rapidly. 

This Mk. I Cooper S sold for $43,000.   At the high end of the range right where I thought it would be. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 02:06:30 PM
Well, at least it runs, unlike that white one that went for $54K......still.........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 02:06:30 PM
Well, at least it runs, unlike that white one that went for $54K......still.........


Yeah, that non-running one was crazy.   So what do you think this one was worth?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
As nice as it was, it still needed a lot of work, I have a hard time justifying any of these cars over $15-20K. Clearly the market disagrees with my thinking...... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
As nice as it was, it still needed a lot of work, I have a hard time justifying any of these cars over $15-20K. Clearly the market disagrees with my thinking...... ::) ;D

It is kinda crazy.   Like the prices for air-cooled 911s over the past several years.   

Its the magic and allure of a genuine vaunted Cooper S model.  A pragmatic person knows that a bitsa Mini with a 1275 and disc brakes can be made just as 'good' as Cooper S (and could easily be better) but the Cooper S mystique easily doubles the value over a similar Mini without the pedigree.  Doesn't necessarily make sense, but so many things in the world don't make sense either -- this is just one that we can watch. 

Hey, aren't you a Rolex owner?   How does the value of them make any sense?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 05:42:23 PM
Audi gave me mine - well they gave me a Sub Mariner and I paid the difference to get the Oyster. At the time it was part of my "uniform" as a general manager of a Porsche dealership.....along with my YSL 3 piece suit.

But I get your point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 17, 2017, 05:56:54 PM
 I've heard that if you walk into a Porsche dealership the first thing the sales people do is look at your shoes to determine if they are stupidly expensive Italian loafers or not.  If they are, you've passed the first hurdle as a potential customer. 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2017, 06:13:47 PM
Believe it or not, that's pretty much right.....my boss taught me that.

Same when you interview (not the stupid expensive part) clean, polished shoes say a lot about the man. Of course today everyone will interview in a T-shirt and shorts and flip flops.

But in the 80's, looking successful was very much a part of being successful.....at least in sales.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on November 17, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
It's still important in the airline world, at least for pilots. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 20, 2017, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 16, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Deja vu all over again.

This Mk. I Mini went Reserve Not Met at under $10K about 7 months ago on BAT.   Now it's had a few updates since then and it is being listed again.   

It is very much a bitsa Mini, it looks pretty nice in a rarely-seen color.  But the underside is kind of beat up. 

BAT is listing it as a "1962 Austin Mini Cooper Mk1 1275cc" but without a real VIN nobody really can tell what it started life as.  A full front skirt points to it being an early Mk. I - if that panel is original to the car.   

Since it's a Mk. I, that adds some intrinsic value as does having a 1275 engine and upgraded disc brakes.  My wild guess is this will be bid for $13K - $15K  - no idea if it will be RNM again though...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-5/


Poof!   The auction has been canceled.   The "Seller" sold the Mini behind BAT's back in a side deal. If he's capable of that, who knows if the car was represented honestly or not?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 20, 2017, 04:46:01 PM
And just like that, another Mini appears on BAT.

This one is a Woody with a little bit too much customization for my tastes.   Could possibly go for the mid-teens, but not sure about rust on this one yet.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/whole-pside-940x627.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 22, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
And the hits keep coming with another Mini being auctioned on BAT. 

This Innocenti looks very nice and original.  But the photos are not very good and there are not too many of them either.   I wonder what exactly goes through seller's minds -- don't they want to present the car in its best light?  (I'm being figurative and literal here!)  More photos are always better.  Perhaps BAT should just tell sellers to include under-car shots when the car is listed instead of invariably waiting halfway through an auction for the seller to reluctantly add them? 

This Mini is a 850, so that will turn some people away, but it sure looks clean and complete with no major flaws from what I can see so far.  It should appeal to both British and Italian car fans.  My guess is this could go for $12K - $14K if there is enough interest and some better photos appear.   


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-innocenti-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-11.40.13-AM-940x666.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 27, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 20, 2017, 04:46:01 PM
And just like that, another Mini appears on BAT.

This one is a Woody with a little bit too much customization for my tastes.   Could possibly go for the mid-teens, but not sure about rust on this one yet.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman-2/


With a few hard-to-see images of the bottom, apparently the rust (or not) issue was not a concern to the bidders on this car.   It was who bid up to $12,500 where it was Reserve Not Met.     Had it been better presented and without the mickey mouse things like the Mini badge on the a-pillar and the headlight lids, I think it would have done better.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 27, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
Jet Motors bid it all the way up to $12,250...... they musta thought it was worth $15 too - retail.

Those headlight lids and Mini emblem are easily removed, I can't believe they kept it from selling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 28, 2017, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 22, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
And the hits keep coming with another Mini being auctioned on BAT. 

This Innocenti looks very nice and original.  But the photos are not very good and there are not too many of them either.   I wonder what exactly goes through seller's minds -- don't they want to present the car in its best light?  (I'm being figurative and literal here!)  More photos are always better.  Perhaps BAT should just tell sellers to include under-car shots when the car is listed instead of invariably waiting halfway through an auction for the seller to reluctantly add them? 

This Mini is a 850, so that will turn some people away, but it sure looks clean and complete with no major flaws from what I can see so far.  It should appeal to both British and Italian car fans.  My guess is this could go for $12K - $14K if there is enough interest and some better photos appear.   



Reserve Not Met at $10K.   That's not surprising as it is definitely worth more than that - it's a very nice, rare, and original Mini.   But I would have thought the bidding would be higher.   The brown color and the 850 engine perhaps were factors?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 28, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Yep, I think the color and the 850 definitely hurt it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 28, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
It was a lot nicer car than the woody.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2017, 07:12:33 AM
A 1988 Japanese spec Mini is now on BaT with a 998, 10" wheels and no a/c.   

Still early and lots of comments on the auction still to come, but my guess is that it could go for $12K - $14K unless something derails it.  Like the fact this car is still in Japan — but the sale includes shipping to a port in the US.   That will scare some people off. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini-1000/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 06, 2017, 08:48:54 AM
I dunno, I see a lot of negatives on this one, not the least of which the white driver's seat. But we'll see where it goes....oh, and a single throat downdraft weber carb? Wonder what that's off of?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 06, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
It looks more like a dual throat side-draft carb to me.  I would think perhaps too much carb for a 998.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 06, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
Watching the video, needs second gear synchro, no easy job on these.....needs a new headliner, it has the usual glue permeating the headliner...no fix for that but to replace it which requires glass out. That seat is terrible, even the seller admits it.....but for a 998 rust free car that seems to run pretty nicely I think it should be a sub - $10K car. Don't know if it will sell for that tho....

The guy sounds like Alonso to me    ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 06, 2017, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 06, 2017, 10:59:11 AM

The guy sounds like Alonso to me    ;D

Except for the French accent!     ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
Wowzers!!  The JDM Mini sitting in Japan sold on BaT for just $6400 - half of what I thought it would go for.   Even with the shot 2nd gear syncros the buyer got a fantastic deal and apparently the import process did not scare him off.    I would have thought the reserve was at least $9K or $10K.

Good to see that bargains are to be had.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2017, 05:04:59 PM
If he has to pay someone to do the transmission repairs and the headliner........I think he did just OK. If he can do the repairs himself, then maybe it was a better deal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2017, 05:24:57 PM
Well the new owner could just live with both.  Ignore the headliner (or leave intact and use vinyl paint) and double clutch and shift slow when going into 2nd ...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
I suppose, it crunched pretty bad going into 2nd tho......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 12, 2017, 09:40:13 PM
A Mk. I Cooper S has been listed on BaT.   This one runs, but is going to take a whole lot of work to restore, both in body, suspension, and especially trim and paint.

I was so wrong about the winning price of the last Mini on BaT, I don't think I'll hazard a guess on this one.   What is interesting is that this is a No Reserve auction, so who knows what will happen in the next 7 days?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/20171201_133917-940x634.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 13, 2017, 08:29:34 AM
Boy howdy, this one needs everything - a total resto, no halfway here.......do you all think it will break $20K? Cause really, all that's here is a shell, a vin and a rebuildable engine and gearbox, it needs a complete interior, rust repairs, suspension (hydro too) and so on.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Before I agree that it has a VIN, I'd like to see a photo of the plate itself.  I don't doubt it's a real Cooper S.  However, it's probably unlikely, but as we know sometimes VINs go to live another life in a different bodyshell. The auction seems to be focusing on the body number (mentioned and included in a photo) which of course means nothing at all.  It is possible to request a heritage certificate using the VIN based upon old paperwork so the fact it has one of those doesn't mean anything.  Of course I may just be acting paranoid about this.


My guess is that it will go somewhere in the mid teens to low 20s.   The fact that it is a running car helps because people can visualize being able to drive it before they restore it.  The no reserve auction is a wildcard -  and it could really get some people starry-eyed about obtaining a real Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 13, 2017, 01:03:49 PM
The BMHT certificate includes the body number.  The picture of the certificate shows the same body number as they are showing on the car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 13, 2017, 01:03:49 PM
The BMHT certificate includes the body number.  The picture of the certificate shows the same body number as they are showing on the car.
Oh, I understand that.   

What I am saying is the actual VIN plate is not (yet) shown.   Where is it?  The likely answer is that is right were it should be - next to the radiator.  But that's a big assumption until they show it.  I mean it is possible that that VIN plate has gone elsewhere to live a life with another bodyshell.    In the meantime, it is kinda stupid for the auction to focus on the not-very-important-at-all body number.  After all, that is not what is used to register or insure a car.  So...why wouldn't there be a photo of the VIN plate in the 100+ photos included is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2017, 08:12:27 PM
Well now there is a photo of the VIN plate (painted over), so I was concerned about nothing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 15, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
I was questioning the look of the body number not the authenticity of it more the fact that it was flush with the front panel and should have been spot welded on top of it. Well the owner took a sander to it and it appears as i thought to have been filled in and smoothed out at some point in it's life why who knows. The owner also took a picture underneath where the body number attaches and it looks factory.
There are so many fake S re bodied cars out there you have  to be careful but this one looks to be 100% Cooper S unlike  another S that sold and was re bodied but never mentioned during the sale.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
The no-reserve tatty Mk. I Cooper S just sold for $26,750.   

That's pretty high in my opinion for a car that would conservatively need at least another $15K to $20K in parts, and labor, and paint to restore to its original form.  Perhaps more.   

And then everyone would complain the finished result was not really original.   ;D

Sounded like the seller was getting pretty nervous in recent days about the decision go offer it at no-reserve.  But I think it worked out well for him in the end. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 01:54:21 PM
Wow.......I guess it worked out OK!

Didn't that nice almond green car bring about that same money, and it was a nice, running, driving car!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 05:02:31 PM
Yeah.  I'd say there was about a $20K premium based upon the Cooper S "mystique".

If that was a bitsa Mini in that same condition, say a Mk. I with a 1275, it would struggle to make $10K. 

I say we are heading down the same inexplicable path that prices of air-cooled Porsches have taken in the past several years.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
Yep....they really took me to task over my 970 comment......of course, I had it dead wrong too. Shows what I know!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2017, 09:13:49 PM
And like clockwork, there's now another Mini on BaT. 

And it is another Mk. I Cooper S.  At least it used to be one.  It has moved far from what it once was and is now a real bitsa Mini with almost nothing remaining the same on the car. 

If it was a plain old Mini it might be worth $8K on a good day.  It will be interesting to see what premium is paid for it since it started life as a Cooper S.   Because, like the last Cooper S on BaT, this one would take at least $15K-$20K to return it to 'stock'. 

Very weirdly it has a Heritage certificate indicating it is an Austin, but the VIN starts with a K as used for Morris Coopers.  Strange.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-cooper-s-italian-delivery/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2017, 09:48:51 PM
Bring a trailer,  indeed.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 04:51:39 AM
I've got a strange feeling this auction might be canceled before it completes...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
Yeah, it's not a problem to sell a car with a changed vin tag (at least here in the middle country), but at least be honest about it.......you and the other experts have pretty much sussed this one out.....if he doesn't come clean I agree, it should be cancelled.

Trying to sell a Mk2/3 Inno is OK, with prices going the way they are just don't try to call it a Mk1 Cooper S, you'll get caught every time on BaT!   ;D

My problem with BaT these days is how many of the cars are showing up again after a year or less of ownership, it's starting to look like Mecum, with the same few guys trading the cars and ratcheting up the value
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
With nearly all evidence pointing to a re-VIN of an Mk II Innocenti Mini, the seller still maintains it's a real Cooper S that just happens to have been converted to an Innocenti dash, heater, switches, large Innocenti pedals including special floor-mounted gas pedal, steering column with ignition switch, mirror, seat belts, complete Innocenti wiring system, wiper motor, dual-circuit master brake cylinder, steering wheel, washer bottle, brake booster, Innocenti boot lid and badging, Innocenti front indicator lenses and side repeater lenses, unique Innocenti sliding glass doors with forward-mounted door pulls, Innocenti oil cooler, Mk. II style rear lights, and no evidence it was ever a Hydrolastic car, or had a boot board.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
Yeah........right!  ;D

If the tail lights for example were "upgraded" to the MkII style, wouldn't there be evidence of that in those rear panels - at least visible from the inside? I love how he says the correct panels are included if someone wants to change them back..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 20, 2017, 03:01:29 PM
Agreed,  this one is a messy riddle. 

Bruce, take another look at the pics beneath the shell by the rear sub frame.  Did all Mk 1/2's have those "hydro tabs" welded underneath?  I was under the impression only hydro cars had them but I don't know with certainty.  Looks like the battery cable was routed where the right side hydro pipes would have been.

BTW, I've made the changes to my car that you suggested:)  Hubcaps, choke cable, removed switch extension and shifter extension.  Still trying to get up the courage to go forward but plan to do so in a month or two.

Chris
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on December 20, 2017, 03:01:29 PM
Agreed,  this one is a messy riddle. 

Bruce, take another look at the pics beneath the shell by the rear sub frame.  Did all Mk 1/2's have those "hydro tabs" welded underneath?  I was under the impression only hydro cars had them but I don't know with certainty.  Looks like the battery cable was routed where the right side hydro pipes would have been.

BTW, I've made the changes to my car that you suggested:)  Hubcaps, choke cable, removed switch extension and shifter extension.  Still trying to get up the courage to go forward but plan to do so in a month or two.

Chris

Hi Chris.  Good eye.  I missed those tabs - so it does look like a hydrolastic shell.  And I can see a glimpse of a boot board support in the shot of the taillight aperture.  More mystery and contradiction. 


Lot's of confusion and misdirection and puzzles on this Mini (whether intentional or not).  Nothing like your Cooper S which I'm sure will receive a much less contentious reception from the assembled masses should you decide to put it on BaT.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 20, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
A few of things to keep in mind: When were the Inno parts added?  Where did the car supposedly come from? (Italy)  What might the "upgrade" fad of that day entailed doing to your Mini?

<Rant>
The shell has a number of clear indicators of having started out as a non-Inno (or CKD) Cooper-S (boot board mounts, right hand tank factory mounts, hydro mounts).

The Inno 6-gauge cluster was available as an aftermarket upgrade back in the 70's and 80's.  The "upgrade fashions were vastly different back then versus what they are now.

Got your boot lid damaged and want/prefer the Inno look, buy a replacement Inno bootlid and mount.  What about those folks today that like the carbon fiber stuff?  Does swapping to that suddenly make the car no longer what it started as?  What about liking the Aussie wind-up window doors that fit the UK external hinge Minis - such as the pickup and Van?  (For a short while I owned a later year UK pickup that had been "upgraded" by the previous owner to Aussie doors - did that suddenly make it an Aussie pickup?  Bruce may also know of that pickup as it used to be Skip's and is now Jim's in Florida.)

Yes, someone at some point in time went to a lot of effort to turn their Mini (not caring that it was an 'S' and probably not expecting that to mean much of anything at the time) into an attempted Inno clone.  My guess is the "cloning" effort was done a long time ago when it was thought to be just another Mini.  BMHT is not infallible and may have messed up the Austin-vs-Morris bit.  In today's Mini community, it seems the preference has shifted to demanding originality and proof and it is showing its bad side on this auction.  The seller seems to be doing a decent job of finding the details on the car to support the original claim of model, yet folks are being real adamant the BAT take down the listing.

The owner seem to be admiting, it was once a Cooper-S, but is now a "bitsa" Inno clone.  Why can't that be accepted?

<End Rant>

PS> My Moke's original rear subframe had hydro mounts on the cross members - common component in assembling the rear subframes.  The bag/cone seats were different, but the rest of the basic subframe was common.  The replacement rear subframe actually still has part of the hydro mounts on the front cross member, but lacks the valve mounts on the rear cross member.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
Michael, Bruce,

Hey, I'm with you on this.  BaT posters seem to be a nasty lot.  And they state B.S. as if it were fact.  In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me.  Doors?  Mk1.  And were these "improvements" done recently?  No, of course not.  They were done long ago.  And you said it, a Mini heads off to Italy where an owner maybe wanted to update his car to modern spec?  It's a riddle.  But so many of them are.  If only we all could stumble upon an unmolested original S in a barn down the block.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
Well, it could also work to the advantage of the ultimate buyer.....since this is a no reserve auction it may go pretty cheaply. But IMHO, it should anyway as it's just a conglomeration of parts, and making it into something worth big bux would take BIG BUX, but making it into a worthwhile Mini wouldn't be any worse than any other Mini that needed pretty much everything.......paint, interior, rust repairs, engine/trans build, brakes and on and on.....so what's it worth then?

Not much......to me.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 09:12:21 AM


In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me. 

Some observers are seeing the back window as being several inches wider than a Mk. I rear window, so the Mk. II style.  Personally, I can't tell.

Quote from: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
Doors?  Mk1. 

Well, the doors have external hinges and sliding windows.  So Mk. I or Mk. II.   But it's not that simple since these are Innocenti doors with a interior door latch mounted up forward toward the dash similar to a door with a rollup window.   

This car may very well have started life back in 1966 as a genuine Mk. I Morris Cooper S, but over the past 51 years it's gone through some huge changes and it is so far removed now from a Cooper S it almost doesn't matter.   It's a now a non-running, incomplete bitsa car of indeterminate orgins, dressed up as an Italian Mini with some pretty big issues including a state title that does not agree with the car's VIN plate in make, model year, or even full VIN numbering. 

What is telling, in my opinion, is the way little bits of information and perhaps some truth are slowly dribbling out, bit by bit, from the seller.  I get the feeling he thought the auction process was going to be smooth sailing and perhaps it wasn't too important to represent all new knew about the car at the start of the auction?

The cynic in me says the value in the auction is in the Cooper S VIN which could be used as a recipe to build a Cooper S clone, and the VIN just happens to be offered along with a mish-mashed blue parts car and an engine.   But the BMIHT certificate doesn't match the VIN, and the title doesn't match the VIN either. 



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 21, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
I can see the issues both ways.  It has some remaining characteristics that give it a "chance" at real value, but also suffers all of the drawbacks of a serious "bitsa" project car.

Do I think it is worth true vintage 'S' prices?  No.  As Bruce and Dave say, it is now a conglomeration of parts somewhere between a vintage 'S' and a later Inno Cooper clone.

Do I think it deserves all the "hostile" criticizing and demands for pulling the listing?  No.  Honest, civil critiquing is proper but "slamming" is not.

Should the seller have provided better open disclosure from the start?  Yes.  Doing so would have probably avoided much of the "slamming".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 21, 2017, 10:45:47 AM

Should the seller have provided better open disclosure from the start?  Yes.  Doing so would have probably avoided much of the "slamming".

Yes, it would have.  By not being upfront, it set that tone that the car was not being accurately represented.  In fact, the auction was originally titled as being for an Austin with references to Austin in the listing text, hence the first several comments pointing out it was a Morris VIN. It's my understanding that the Seller has final approval on the BaT auction text prior to going 'live', so that was blessed by the seller before the auction started.  (The auction references to Austin have since been removed). 

But once the die was cast that things were not as they were said to be, new information has been met with a great deal of skepticism.  And there is a snowball effect as inconsistencies build and omitted information is later revealed.   For example, the seller finally indicated that the state title is for a different make car (Austin vs. Morris), for a different year (1967 vs. 1966), and only lists six of the 12 characters on the VIN plate.    A Seller does not engender himself to potential buyers by withholding significant information like that. 

Once the auction audience feels fair play has not be observed and the car might not be represented accurately, they react.  Some nicer than others.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2017, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 09:12:21 AM


In regard to this car, what are guys seeing in those photos that identifies the rear glass as Mk2?  Not to doubt them bacause I'm asking more for my own understanding.  It looks like Mk1 rear glass to me. 

Some observers are seeing the back window as being several inches wider than a Mk. I rear window, so the Mk. II style.  Personally, I can't tell.

Scratch that.  I took a deeper look and I can tell it's definitely a Mk. I bodyshell (and I added a comment stating so).   Taken with the hydro body tabs, boot board mounts, and RH tank brackets, adds more credence in the column that it is a genuine Cooper S that underwent some awful Frankenstein-like transformation to a pseudo-Innocenti.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 21, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
True.  Your points are well made and appreciated.

After having seen others with questionable starts be treated well, the slamming tone of this one just struck me wrong.

I guess that since on the few other auctions I've watched the sellers were more responsive and proactive in getting any missing information and discrepancies corrected quickly, the audience was more forgiving.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 21, 2017, 09:03:28 PM
My apology for beating an almost dead horse here but...  the Heritage certificate is puzzling to me because it cites 'Italy' for dealer delivery of this 1275 S that's LHD.  It's summer 1966 and BL has been shipping CKD 998 Minis to Italy for 3-4 months and yet some buyer in Italy has no qualms about ordering an expensive 1275 S and having it shipped or trucked over.  The question is, in what state of assembly?  I realize the Inno parts pictured are later, not Mk1 Inno spec.  Probably Mk3 Inno?  But all that swapping over?  A boatload of work for some Italian garage or dealer.  They must have had a totalled donor.
I'm purely curious as to how BL was selling cars then.  If you were an American and you ordered a LHD Cooper S to take home with you from the UK, the records said 'customer delivery'.  So why did this one say 'Italy'?  They never offered Innos in almond green with OEW roofs.  The white roof color was snowberry.  So I wonder which shade of white this roof is underneath that sweet metallic blue?

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/mini-magazine/20140926/282608851025404

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
Well, a possible scenario is that the Mini went to a US serviceman stationed in Italy at the time.  He would not have had to pay the very high import duty that Italian citizens did on a car imported from the UK.  And the buyer would have been able to get a real 1275 Cooper S built in Jolly Old England by the same blokes that the built rally winners rather than a car made by the Italians who were new to building Minis and didn't offer a Cooper S.   

At this point I'm in the camp (small that it is) which believes the car to be what the Seller claims - a real Cooper S that has been through some massive and stupid changes over the years. The thing that still boggles my mind is apparently somebody saw fit to work really hard to make it into an Innocenti clone.  Michael offers a good rationale about changing fashions and tastes that could account for that, but it still is crazy from our modern perspective.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 22, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
Nah, I'm not buying it....... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
So you believe it's an Innocenti? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 22, 2017, 05:43:29 PM
Italians are crazy enough to do just that. 

The Inno changes made to it are from a few different years.  The doors are early (about the same year as the "foundation" Cooper-S) years, but the dash and switch stalks on the steering column are later year items from a Inno 1300 or 1300 Export (those were early 1970's models).

A likely scenario: A sufficiently wealthy Italian customer orders a 1275 Cooper-S through his local dealer (thus the Italy delivery).  The car arrives, the customer prefers the Inno doors with the forward opening handle and also need to be able to mount the square Italian license plate, the the doors and boot are swapped.  The car is driven for several years (maybe even changes owners at least once) and the "Cooper-S" moniker is mostly "forgotten" as they are still fairly common at the time.  The Inno 1300's come out with the "fancy" 6-gauge cluster and the current owner at that time goes "Wow, I want that in my 1300!" and has the gauge cluster installed (which happens to require a wiring change and so also gets the newer style stalks on the column).  Years continue to pass, the car changes hands some more, the pilot buys it and returns to the US with it.  More years pass and more "mods" get done to what is now thought of as just another Mini until it lands with the current owner today in a project state with enough information to have the scrambled history and identity when a BMIHT certificate is obtained.

The big thing to remember was that in the late 60's to mid 80's, these cars were still common all over Europe and treated as the "British VW Bug" in that they often got all kinds of mods by younger owners.  The push to preserve most Cooper and Cooper-S models due to "rarity" came later.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 22, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
So you believe it's an Innocenti?

I dunno what it is really, just a conglomeration of parts......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2017, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 22, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 22, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
So you believe it's an Innocenti?

I dunno what it is really, just a conglomeration of parts......

Yeah.  The only verifiable Cooper S items are:  The VIN plate  ::) , the bodyshell with glass minus the Italian boot lid and both doors.  And the RH tank. That's about it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 26, 2017, 05:53:57 PM
Well, it sold for $6K.....seems like more than enough for a kit......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 09, 2018, 04:12:21 PM
A rally Mini Cooper 998 is now on BaT.   Well, it was a rally car back in the day, then a track car with a 1275, now it's back to a rally car with a 998.  Definitely not a concours car - lots of modifications for rallying.  Looks to be well-worn.  Very strange about no photos from underneath the car.  That oversight will be a hot topic.  Does the seller expect that nobody will ask about that?

Funny how one little thing is 'off' and that really detracts from the car IMO:  [Seinfeld voice] "What's the deal with the black retaining rings on the headlights? "  We all expect to see chrome there, so why isn't it?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-bmc-mini-cooper/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-08-at-4.35.46-PM-940x688.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 09, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
I think the fact that the car is in Germany may be the biggest hold back to it's financial future - at least for buyers here in the states.

I agree, seems underbody shots are required anymore - especially for older cars that were prone to rust anyway.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 10, 2018, 10:01:35 AM
I am guessing the underside has some "character" bumps and bruises. Will be interesting to see were this one ends up price wise and geographically.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 10:38:11 AM
I can't think of any reason at all why a rally Mini would not have a completely pristine body.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2018, 11:45:18 AM
I thought the comment about the retread off road tires was interesting.....but what would an underfunded team owner do - put on $300 each new tires just to go tear them up on gravel? I think the retreads make a lot of sense......

Remember when Bandag made retreaded race tires? They still make OTR truck tires......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 09, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
I think the fact that the car is in Germany may be the biggest hold back to it's financial future

Having a Seller who (so far) has failed to respond to comments or to even make an appearance ain't helping it either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 10, 2018, 01:25:24 PM
Yes, but with 5 days to go and the time difference we should hear from him tomorrow, if not......then the car will have a tough row to hoe........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2018, 02:18:01 PM
The Seller just de-cloaked and is answering questions and promising underbody photos.

He also clarifies that this Mini has had rear disc brakes installed.  I'm looking forward to the new photos.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 10, 2018, 02:56:37 PM
Speaking of rear disc...the 74 will be getting them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 05:26:59 AM
Quote from: 94touring on January 10, 2018, 02:56:37 PM
Speaking of rear disc...the 74 will be getting them.

I've heard that some people have used Honda or Ford rear discs and adapted them for Minis.  Or are you planning to get the KAD ones?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 08:20:52 AM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 11, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Now this is something different:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-bmw-isetta-9/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1957-bmw-isetta-9/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 11, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
Ha! Saw that this morning.......an Isettavw   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 11, 2018, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 08:20:52 AM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.

And a large money spending mission!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 08:20:52 AM
Yeah Kad.  I'm on a weight savings mission.

Yes, you will be losing a lot of £'s with those KAD items. 


;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 11, 2018, 03:38:37 PM
Lol yeah.  Dave has heard me go on and on about the weight loss program I have in mind. One new thing I learned this week researching was how much reducing rotational weight effects a car.  Every pound off the flywheel nets about 11 lbs off what the car feels like it's powering. Unsprung weight on wheels/brakes equate to 6-7lbs per pound shaved.  I think I can reduce the weight by 275lbs both in actual and rotational factors. 52lbs actual pounds off unsprung weight too.  With the new engine this thing should scream. Now to find time and the £'s to do it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2018, 05:26:13 PM
Long ago I remember driving a friend's Mini to a body shop for painting. The car had been stripped down at his house to no interior, no glass anywhere, no bumpers or grill, no spare etc.  I'm not sure how much weight it lost but it was noticeably more lively on the road.

Of course part of that feeling might be because the wind was coming right through the missing windshield and blowing throughout the empty interior!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2018, 01:04:23 PM
Just two days left on the auction for the rally Mini in Germany. 

Bids are only at $5K now and nobody but nobody has asked a single question about importing it to the US.   So either the BaT audience is fully versed on how that is done and the importation costs involved (some are), or, more likely IMO, there are no serious bidders involved so far. 

The Mini is probably worth more, but my wild guess as of this point is that this will be bid to maybe $11K-$13K and then close at Reserve Not Met.  Adding $2K-$4K or more to the bid for importation costs (Jena, Germany is more than 300 miles from a port) along with the logistical work involved will keep many bidders away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Well now the subject of shipping has finally come up in the comments and the seller has responded with a terse single sentence on estimated costs.  Could he be more German?   ;D   I'm comparing that with a different seller offering a Citroen 2CV in Italy at auction also at BaT right now.  The Citroen owner has taken a pro-active approach regarding shipping. He is providing detailed information and promises to be very accommodating supporting the import process.  Huge difference.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 16, 2018, 09:06:32 AM
At around $6k now this auction is going to end up RNM imo reserve not met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 16, 2018, 01:41:26 PM
I think Gonzalo might have been a shill, bumping the price to $10K in one jump, but you're right - RNM
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2018, 01:44:55 PM
Yup.  He's brand new to BaT this month with no prior comments or bids.   Plus his $3K jump in bids is a hell of jump.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2018, 01:55:58 PM
Had the Seller done more to address the "it's way over in Germany" elephant in the room he would have had much better luck, IMO
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 17, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
And there is another Mini for sale on BaT.  This one is a rare 1071S with some modifications but it generally looks largely original.   

It will be very interesting to see how high this one goes.  I'm guessing it will break $25K-$30K without a sweat.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-2/

(https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/5a593b9fd1b14_01de12a19ab53d43422e2f4aceaddc63a366a15a49-940x680.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 17, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
This is an extremely nice car with good provenance from a well regarded Mini owner, I agree - if any should, this one should bring the big bux. Sure didn't take long for the Mini cognoscenti to figure out who's car it was!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 18, 2018, 08:25:22 AM
Agreed, it's a fantastic example of a 1071 being sold by a rock solid expert.  Yet there are still posters in the comments who are basically doubting the validity of the car and the integrity of the seller.  Two or three guys out there purely guessing as to what size the brake rotors should be, or how the lost engine tag is the smoking gun.

I bet it goes north of $40K and probably back to the UK, even though it was an export car.

As an aside, did you guys catch Wold's #2 Mini racecar for sale on eBay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mark-1-Mini-Cooper-Vintage-Race-Car/162848100185?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 18, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
I was one of the guys discussing the brakes and got my ass handed to me as ususal - some of those guys do know their Mini minutia!

My experience was different, but hey - I've only owned one MkI Cooper S in my life, some of these guys have owned bunches of them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 19, 2018, 09:32:53 AM
Agree with Velopackrat it should bring mid $40's and may end up in Japan or Europe as it is straight enough to be bought back to near original again. In the UK they would rather have a rust free LHD than an ex rusty welded up RHD and they are easily enough converted to RHD if you so desire. Cleaning up the floors like the owner of the almond green/white car did on a recent sale on BaT would have gone a long way with presentation on this car and as the engine bay and other panels are already painted it would not have hurt the remaining originality imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 19, 2018, 01:54:51 PM
The guy in Germany who was offering the rally Mini on BaT last week is now auctioning a Lotus Cortina over at BaT.   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-lotus-cortina-mk1/

The comments are interesting reading as many of them are challenging the authenticity of it being a true Lotus Cortina, with particular notice paid to a VIN plate said to be suspect combined with a questionable letter of certification. 

Grab some popcorn. 


"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!"   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 19, 2018, 02:50:36 PM
I did not read much of the comments on the rally Mini posting, but from what was indicated here, the seller of the Cortina may have brought it upon himself due to his responses (or lack thereof) on the Mini auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 20, 2018, 08:34:28 AM
Wow.  To quote Ron Burgundy, "Boy!  That escalated quickly!".   

There was just a HUGE bid jump of nearly $14,000 and the high bid on the Cooper S 1071 is now at $30K.  And he is a real bidder -  he has already bought a Ferrari off BaT. 

There are 4 days still to go!

This Cooper S could sell for $50K plus.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
Unfortunately, this sort of thing is driving up the prices of all Minis.  Folks are trying to use such auction results (even if the auctioned car legitimately deserves the high price) to justify asking $25K+ for a $12K car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 20, 2018, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
Unfortunately, this sort of thing is driving up the prices of all Minis.  Folks are trying to use such auction results (even if the auctioned car legitimately deserves the high price) to justify asking $25K+ for a $12K car.

Agreed.  Huge difference between a 1071S and my Mini (for example) in terms of collectability and value.

Yet the exposure of the rarest cars selling for the top prices does help raise the values of the lesser cars too, to some degree I think.  After all not everyone can afford to pay more than $30K for a mostly orginal Mk. I Cooper S, so that creates interest (and increased values) by people looking for a Mini that is cheaper, and that they can modify without worrying about hurting orginality.   

Look what has happned to Porsche 911s over the past few years.  As the more desireable models have gone sky high, the plain vanilla models (I'm talking to you, 912)  have increased in price too.   


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
But you also get the cases of cars that have had maintenance neglected and been abused suddenly going from being a $12K car at best to asking prices of $22500 - case in point: the green 1981 Mini panel Van I owned 2.5 years ago.  Half of the rear interior work I did has been stripped out, it got "rallied" and now has a significant pull to the right, steering now has significant play, the current owner added a roof rack and large removable vinyl circles to the doors and jacked the price up $8K.

(I've been "consulted" about it by someone that was very strongly interested in it until they had a PPI done.  They shared the PPI results with me.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 20, 2018, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on January 20, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
But you also get the cases of cars that have had maintenance neglected and been abused suddenly going from being a $12K car at best to asking prices of $22500 - case in point: the green 1981 Mini panel Van I owned 2.5 years ago.  Half of the rear interior work I did has been stripped out, it got "rallied" and now has a significant pull to the right, steering now has significant play, the current owner added a roof rack and large removable vinyl circles to the doors and jacked the price up $8K.

(I've been "consulted" about it by someone that was very strongly interested in it until they had a PPI done.  They shared the PPI results with me.)

I heard. I think he may have even said it's worth 25k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
The 1071 S is now up to $40K with 2 full days left in the auction.  There is still time for nitpicking about the missing brake booster, the speedo in kph instead of mph, etc.   

But I don't think any of that will really matter.  I think this will soon be the highest bid Mini sold on BaT, closing in the high 50s, or even greater. 


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on January 18, 2018, 08:25:22 AM
Agreed, it's a fantastic example of a 1071 being sold by a rock solid expert.  Yet there are still posters in the comments who are basically doubting the validity of the car and the integrity of the seller.  Two or three guys out there purely guessing as to what size the brake rotors should be, or how the lost engine tag is the smoking gun.

I bet it goes north of $40K and probably back to the UK, even though it was an export car.

As an aside, did you guys catch Wold's #2 Mini racecar for sale on eBay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mark-1-Mini-Cooper-Vintage-Race-Car/162848100185?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

That only went to $10K and was RNM.      Wonder if he'll try to sell it on BaT because of the likely outcome on the 1071S ?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 22, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
I'm curious what reserve on the race car was, not that I need one.  I doubt any of us could build one like it for less than $25K.  I think assembling the motor and gearbox alone would exceed $10K.
But in regard to the 1071, it's an odd fact that all the negativity has subsided and Mr. Wold looks to see a nice payday.  For example, and this is not a knock on the car, I think the original color of OEW also meant the roof was white.  Reason I say this, on Heritage Certificates it usually states body and roof color.  At least my two did.  On his, it reads 'monotone' after OEW.  One could order the cars that way if one so chose back then...
So, what would you guys do with it if it was in your driveway?  Drive it as is or restore it?  If restore, to what degree?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on January 22, 2018, 04:38:37 PM

So, what would you guys do with it if it was in your driveway?  Drive it as is or restore it?  If restore, to what degree?

I'd just leave it as it is and enjoy it.  Plus, if it sells for $50K plus or so as I think it might, then doing a $30K restoration on top of that and bingo you've got $80K plus into it -- and there'd always be a worry about chipping the paint or breaking something if it was used.

In that light, personalizing a plain-Jane Mini instead just as you want it (which could even be a near-perfect Cooper clone) for 1/3 of that amount and then enjoying the hell out of it by driving it perhaps makes more economic sense?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 24, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 22, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
The 1071 S is now up to $40K with 2 full days left in the auction.  There is still time for nitpicking about the missing brake booster, the speedo in kph instead of mph, etc.   

But I don't think any of that will really matter.  I think this will soon be the highest bid Mini sold on BaT, closing in the high 50s, or even greater.

The Cooper 1071S Just sold for $50K.   Not as high I thought, and not the most expensive Mini ever on BaT, but a pretty hefty price nonetheless.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 24, 2018, 12:19:02 PM
The seller said he was feeling seller's remorse the last few days - I think that should ease his thoughts a bit! The sad part is I doubt any of these cars will see the light of day again, except at a concours event or something....fresh motor suspension and brakes and an imperfect body this car is perfect to be used and enjoyed. Sad to me that it won't....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 24, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
Wait, I missed something...is Dave the $50K buyer dude purely a collector?  It won't get driven?  Man, bummer.  And speaking of driven, maybe we need a new thread of what specs constitute our dream Mini build?  I'll go first.  And this is coming from a guy w/ a nice Cooper S:)

Roll up windows but 10x6 Minilites and group 2 arches.  Mk1 treatment.  Specialist Components EFI.  Quaife w/ 3.2 gears.  Smootha ride. Either Tweed grey w/ white roof or Almond Green w/ white roof.  No markings whatsoever.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 24, 2018, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on January 24, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
Wait, I missed something...is Dave the $50K buyer dude purely a collector?  It won't get driven?  Man, bummer. 
Yeah, the 1071S is going into a collection, but I'm not sure that means it won't be driven.   The winning bidder talks about driving his Mini beach car, so sounds like he does drive them at least occasionally.


Quote from: velopackrat on January 24, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
...  And speaking of driven, maybe we need a new thread of what specs constitute our dream Mini build?  I'll go first.  And this is coming from a guy w/ a nice Cooper S:)

Roll up windows but 10x6 Minilites and group 2 arches.  Mk1 treatment.  Specialist Components EFI.  Quaife w/ 3.2 gears.  Smootha ride. Either Tweed grey w/ white roof or Almond Green w/ white roof.  No markings whatsoever.
That sounds very tasty indeed. I would be quite satisfied with that spec.  To me, 10" wheels are the best looking size for a Mini.  But my tastes have changed and I now think the 'no flares' look with modest wheel widths, like 5", are preferable. 

At MiniMeet West in 2016 I saw several very clean looking Tweed Grey Minis and they left a lasting favorable impression on me.   In person, the color looks very vintage and very refined.

So, this is kinda close to what you are saying (except for being a Mk. I and having narrower wheels and badging).

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c4/e1/05/c4e105fb0c217b1ee6be1ac343e866bc--mini-cooper-s-mk.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 07:40:46 PM
The Australian Clubman GT.  Pretty much a 1275 Cooper S with clubman nose and Australian roll up windows.  Think only a couple hundred were made.  This one was "stolen" on BaT before minis got hot and I don't think people realized what it was.  I was still a good year from being able to buy it and regret not just doing it.  Even liked the crazy color.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/mini-clubman-1275-gt/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
For a custom mini, I'd still like a clubman, just something about the 70's sports look that I love.  But I'd love to build a vtec monster AWD car.  Like an intergra GSR motor with a ProCharger on it.  4 racing seats and harnesses.  Bright ass yellow and carbon fiber trim.  CHEAP!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gasmini on January 25, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
For a custom mini, I'd still like a clubman, just something about the 70's sports look that I love.  But I'd love to build a vtec monster AWD car.  Like an intergra GSR motor with a ProCharger on it.  4 racing seats and harnesses.  Bright ass yellow and carbon fiber trim.  CHEAP!   ;D
That last word gave me a laugh with what you wrote about your dream build. :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 25, 2018, 11:32:16 AM
I know, right?  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 25, 2018, 12:52:11 PM
Step One:  Find a donor Mini whereby the owner PAYS YOU $10K to haul it away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 13, 2018, 03:42:01 PM
After many Mini-less weeks, there is now a Mini on BaT.

It was born as a Mk. II Cooper 998, but it now very much bitsa car.  So no concerns about originality and the new owner can do whatever he pleases without alarming the purists.  It will be interesting to see how it does.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-mini-cooper-mk2/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 13, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
$10K already on the first day?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 15, 2018, 06:48:13 AM
Yeah that is surprising.

There's a bit of a controversy in the commentary.   Seems this Mini has two VIN plates with two different numbers.   The owner made his own VIN plate to match a typo on the title.  Uh oh.  Not exactly the right way to tackle that.   Some are calling for the auction to be canceled until the matter is fixed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 15, 2018, 09:02:48 AM
Its a bitsa and it's already registered in Holy California, and the vin plate matches the title - what's the problem?

Is that BL emblem on the A panel correct for the year?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 15, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 15, 2018, 09:02:48 AM
Its a bitsa and it's already registered in Holy California, and the vin plate matches the title - what's the problem?

Is that BL emblem on the A panel correct for the year?

No.  All the badging on the car is wrong. Bonnet and boot are showing Mk I badges instead of Mk II. And honestly, who exactly is proud to display BL badges?    Not me.

I'd say the issue with the two VINs is because there are two VINs.  Right now it's potentially open to police action including confiscation.  Pick one.   If it were me, I'd get my thumb out and fix the damn title.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 17, 2018, 08:08:02 AM
No bidding and few comments over the past few days.   A dark cloud of VIN monkey business is hanging over this auction.  Well not malicious monkey business - just laziness and indifference from the seller who notes he is a busy guy and going to the DMV to correct the title is just a hassle man.  Easier to make up a second VIN plate with the wrong VIN don't you see?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 17, 2018, 08:12:51 AM
Yeah, I wonder what he was thinking - I'll just slide this one thru BaT, no one there will notice?

I also find it interesting that even tho they took pics of the floors - out of all those pics none of them are of the sills or other potential rust areas, and check out the bondo on the rear valance....

Too bad too, as the car has a ton of cools stuff and looks like it could be a fun ride....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 17, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
Can't tell if it's bondo or poor prep and paint chipping/peeling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 17, 2018, 09:01:06 AM
Yeah, could just be peeling paint - still, points to the quality of work, and who knows what horrors might be hiding under it?

Like I said, for the right price it could be a fun little car......but why would anyone buy it with the title messed up? He says he's going to the DMV to straighten it out, and having the original vin plate might be his saving grace - if he explains it right. If he tells them he made up a vin plate to match the title all bets are off.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 17, 2018, 09:42:59 AM
Yeah hard to say.  Vin issues aside, just quickly glancing over thr car it looks pretty solid, albeit heavily modified to suit his taste.  I can't stand 4 point harnesses on a street car. Hell I hate the 5 point in the jet.  As soon as the wheels are a mm off the ground the shoulder straps come off. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 17, 2018, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 17, 2018, 08:08:02 AM
No bidding and few comments over the past few days.   A dark cloud of VIN monkey business is hanging over this auction.  Well not malicious monkey business - just laziness and indifference from the seller who notes he is a busy guy and going to the DMV to correct the title is just a hassle man.  Easier to make up a second VIN plate with the wrong VIN don't you see?

The negative comments worked - the Seller has now posted that he has finally visited the DMV and a corrected title is on the way.    Perhaps now the discussion will focus on the merits of the car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 10:30:10 AM
The yellow Mini on BaT has had no bids for the last 6 days (!) and there are just 5 hours left.   

There was a good deal of VIN drama and the Seller has not been very responsive IMO.  That kinda set the tone for little interest in the car.   For example, there are no good underbody photos and no discussion of any potential rust either.  I think the fact and nobody has requested to learn more about the car's body condition indicates the true level of interest.   

This thing has RNM written all over it.  I think they will be some more bids (otherwise MiniGuy's $9,999 bid will win - and he's bid on 64 cars and never won a single one, so I don't see that happening). 

My guess is that it will be bid to maybe $12K-$13K and go RNM. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
Well, what do I know?   With still nearly 3 hours to go there have been 10+ heated bids in the last half hour.  It's over $14K now.   

Seems this was on the radar of a lot of interested buyers who I guess where hoping the lack of activity on this auction would mean a bargain.  It's beyond a bargain at this point...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
While the yellow Mini auction is coming to a close, I spent some time looking at this VW-based frog car, which I found interesting for 2 reasons:

1) The color reminds me of the Bracken color used on Minis
2) This listing has a pretty wild comments section going with mystery, detective work, intrigue, accusations, and deceit(?).  Basically, everything the Internet is famous for (except nudity).  Interesting reading.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-porsche-912-19/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
At the current $15,250 bid, if this doesn't make reserve the seller is crazy.

That really nice almond green MkI Cooper S only brought $16 something, didn't it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
That's a really nice looking NineDozen, I've lost track of what these are doing compared to the 911 and 356 but I'm pretty sure the old "rising tide lifts all boats" theory applies to them too.....

Edit: Just read the comments........Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
That's a really nice looking NineDozen, I've lost track of what these are doing compared to the 911 and 356 but I'm pretty sure the old "rising tide lifts all boats" theory applies to them too.....
If the comments are accurate, this 912 is on its 3rd owner - in just the past month!   Rapid flipping like that tends to drive the prices up I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 19, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if that is bracken.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
Mini sold at $16,750.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2018, 07:58:45 PM
The Porsche 912 auction went south pretty quickly and BaT Put a stop to it.  Comments got a lot more interesting. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 24, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
It's a Mini, Jim.   But not as we know it.

A very rare 1962 Ogle SX 1000, based upon a 997 Mini Cooper.

https://bringatrailer.com/2018/02/23/fiberglass-fastback-mini-1962-ogle-sx-1000/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 24, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
The proportions on these are so odd to me, with the long nose overhang.

With a 997 and so few built, this should bring all the money they're asking for it....the owner spent north of $80K on the restoration but only wants (or thinks he can get) half of that? Crikeys!

I think me and Dan are both working too cheap!

But....is it a 997 or a 998? I thought someone told me the 997, 1071 and 1275's all used the "big" block, and this one is clearly a small block motor.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 24, 2018, 12:34:24 PM
My new fee is one viper per job.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 24, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
Is that enough? Vipers don't cost $80K do they?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 24, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
40ish to 160k depending.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 28, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
Not on BaT, but saw and had to share.  Wait till you get to the motor pic  :-\

https://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14827/1977_Leyland_Cooper_Sedan
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on February 28, 2018, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on February 28, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
Not on BaT, but saw and had to share.  Wait till you get to the motor pic  :-\

https://www.minimania.com/cars4Sale/14827/1977_Leyland_Cooper_Sedan

That does not look like it would be fun to drive. Way to fast to get over your head and way out of shape.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 28, 2018, 07:06:40 PM
That's what I was thinking.  Definitely in need of the 4wd conversion with that power.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 01, 2018, 08:04:46 AM
Interesting choice for a rear spoiler, what is that, a schwinn?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
What the hell is that in the boot?  A 1000 shot?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 01, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
My thoughts at first too.  Turns out it's a subwoofer box and amp combo. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
Wow a subwoofer that runs on NoS!  What WILL they think of next?

;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2018, 05:35:09 PM
Thought I'd beat Bruce to it.......998 Clubman for sale on BaT today......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-clubman/#comment-2056680 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-clubman/#comment-2056680)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2018, 08:13:55 PM
I took a quick look.  Seems like a nice Mini.   It will be interesting to see how the Clubman body style is regarded amongst the BaT audience – many of them probably have never seen that type of Mini before. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 02, 2018, 08:40:52 PM
And another 998 RHD Mini for sale on BaT......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini/)

This one has poorly installed oversills and a pre-verto transmission with an A+ block. But it DOES have the obligatory 4 spotlights and stereo!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2018, 07:01:36 PM
The Clubman didn't make the reserve.  Bidding only went to $8,300.     For some reason, (color?  bodystyle?), that car got little attention and no love at all.    Seems a shame as it looked to be a nice solid Mini.

In the meantime, the shiny blue one is enjoying some interest.  Seems the oversills aren't really bothering anyone.    Less than a day left and it is bid to $9K so far.   I think this one may go to $12K to $14K.

And now another Mini is on auction on BaT:  A 1987 Mini Park Lane edition

Seems to be a nice car.  The only negative might be the aftermarket sunroof.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mini-park-lane/
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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 07, 2018, 07:23:55 PM
That Clubby should have brought more, it is a far nicer car than the blue one, the $8 and 9K bids were made by the same guy and I think they're shill bids....I don't think it will make reserve either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
The blue Mini with the 4 spot lights and oversills sold for just $10,500.    I'm kinda surprised because I thought it would have brought at least $2K more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 08, 2018, 05:32:52 PM
The headliner in that blue one was rough looking and those stripes pretty hideously wide I thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 09, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 09, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.

Yeah, that wagon is a nice car.  I've seen it several times in person over the years. 

The current owner has not had it long, but he is very much on top of responding to the questions and comments about the car on BaT.    An attentive seller like him can really make a positive difference during an auction.  I think this may go for big bucks  - like over $20K if things go well. 

The only real negative is the mickey mouse situation with the VIN.   That never should have happened when it was imported - there should have been plenty of proper paperwork available (the V5 and other documents) to support and correct any mistake to use the correct VIN when first registered.  Making up a bogus VIN plate to justify a clerical error is just a bad move.   Two wrongs...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-countryman-estate-woody/

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 09, 2018, 07:25:02 PM
Isn't this the second time we've seen a bogus vin due to a "clerical error" on a BaT sale?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 08:04:00 PM
Yup. In just the past several weeks.    But the seller of the other Mini (the one that had 2 VIN plates mounted!)  got it sorted out before the auction ended. I don't know if this situation could be fixed the same way since the current owner probably does not have the paperwork from importation and it's been wrong for more than a decade.   Kind of brings up the question -  from the state's perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gasmini on March 10, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 08:04:00 PM
   Kind of brings up the question -  from the state's perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Some states like Kansas only require it to pass inspection the first time coming into the state and not a yearly inspection. So if you have an inspector that doesn't look close enough that could explain some things.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 10, 2018, 11:22:08 AM
Wow, no reserve......wonder what he paid for it 6 mos ago? I remember seeing this car or one just like it in the magazine article, seems IIRC it was a £30K car when new.

Wonder where this will end up? $20K? $25K?

Really nice wagon with all of the mods I would want - round nose, LHD, supercharger, tall gears, spring suspension, late model interior.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2018, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: gasmini on March 10, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 08:04:00 PM
   Kind of brings up the question -  from the state's perspective - of how the car got annual state inspections completed if the paperwork did not match the plate.
Some states like Kansas only require it to pass inspection the first time coming into the state and not a yearly inspection. So if you have an inspector that doesn't look close enough that could explain some things.

Yeah.  If the inspector looked at all he wiould have just seen the made up VIN plate.   My point was how do you plead to the state to make a VIN correction because the car has lived with the wrong VIN for so long?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 11, 2018, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 09, 2018, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 09, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
Apart from the stuff mentioned the seat covers and home made dash was awful in the blue car, the yellow one was a lot straighter imo.
Now up for sale at no reserve is a nice M tech built 1293 s/c Estate which was formally a Clubman and is now a round nose. It should do well.

Yeah, that wagon is a nice car.  I've seen it several times in person over the years. 

The current owner has not had it long, but he is very much on top of responding to the questions and comments about the car on BaT.    An attentive seller like him can really make a positive difference during an auction.  I think this may go for big bucks  - like over $20K if things go well. 

The only real negative is the mickey mouse situation with the VIN.   That never should have happened when it was imported - there should have been plenty of proper paperwork available (the V5 and other documents) to support and correct any mistake to use the correct VIN when first registered.  Making up a bogus VIN plate to justify a clerical error is just a bad move.   Two wrongs...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-countryman-estate-woody/

Correct me if I an wrong, isn't that another one of Skips old cars?

If so, run away as fast as you can.

There will be all kinds of hobbled together shit hidden under the pretty shiny exterior.

Wonder why the guy selling only had it 6 months or so?

Because Skip owned it before him. He is smart to unload it.   Like an idiot, I keep trying to save mine.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 01:45:28 PM
I know it has an oil leak that Skip glued foam to in order to stop the leak.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2018, 01:54:57 PM
Yes, it is indeed formerly Skip's car.  Skip commissioned the original M-Tech build of the car.  It "used" to be one of Skip's more pampered cars, but it seems it also got some hobbled together maintenance and neglect along the way.

I would tend to agree with Jim's assessment based on some additional things I have heard offline from another source.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 11, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
Really? Cause it looks like it's going to bring big bux in the auction if no one discloses the issues. They were pretty glib about the sponge to soak up the oil leak.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 03:06:09 PM
I also know the current owner tried to unload it pretty quickly after purchase for what he paid. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 11, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
I only met Skip in passing a couple times at car shows over the years.  Sounds like others know more about him (and his cars) and there are some stories.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 11, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 03:06:09 PM
I also know the current owner tried to unload it pretty quickly after purchase for what he paid.

Do you know what he paid?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 11, 2018, 04:04:16 PM
I was told 18-19k in December.  I don't know Skip or ever met him, but I get the impression his vehicle upkeep was pretty shoddy.  Think about my clubman rusty and the things we know about.  I think that is kind of Skips way as well.  And I like the owner of my clubman, but jeez louis.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 11, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
What I have heard as potentially being issues on Skip's former wagon are second hand information, so I do not want to spread unsubstantiated information.

I have a small amount of personal experience with regard to Jim's Pickup as I was the "middleman" between Skip's ownership and Jim's.  I had some first-hand experience with how that Pickup arrived to me and then the additional Jim has reported as he got even further into it than I had a chance for.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 12, 2018, 05:12:34 AM
Without out right posting a caveat emptor on BAT, I am going to ask some questions.

I just posted and asked why he is selling after 7 months, I also asked him to post a cold start video. Lets hear what the engine sounds like.

I feel bad for that Brian cat, is he a member here?  He is about to get hosed.

Nice looking little truck, I would budget in a new Supercharger, engine and than budget in another couple of grand for lots of neglect and that is if you plan on doing the work yourself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2018, 06:28:16 AM
Why a new supercharger? These are supposed to be dead reliable and there's not much you can do to hurt them......

He did post a driving video and it sounded like it ran out well.

I think he said he was selling because they bought it to haul behind a motorhome, but decided to buy a home someplace cooler than Texas in the summer instead, so they're selling the motorhome too.

Is Brian the current owner? I think the car will bring good money, if it's as bad as you guys think tho......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2018, 07:21:14 AM
......


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 12, 2018, 08:07:54 AM
Dave,

I know that particular style of supercharger is NLA (No Longer Available).  "IF" something happens to it, replacing it is no longer possible - thus significant costs involved with reworking the engine back to normal compression or a different supercharger arrangement.

The "rumors" I have been sent about it are just that - "rumors".  The only confirmed one is the oil leak at the timing cover being "cured" by the piece of foam/sponge.

The VIN issue(s) land squarely on Skip as he is the one that imported it directly into Texas as the first US owner.  Why Skip never corrected the title is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 12, 2018, 08:34:05 AM
I saw this car or it's double at a Mini event in Florida a few years back and it was smoking through the gears and on start up which will not be a cheap fix if it is the same car.
The vin issue pointed out that it has green paint on the new vin plate which either means it has had some body work/ paint done since or it came from another car. It is not even close to a Mini vin number more of a kit car vin number.
I really think the story of the importation mix up is bogus i have imported plenty of Mini's some with vin errors and it just does not happen you get it corrected. Now i guess it could be an assigned vin from Texas but they would affix their own vin not order a new Morris Vin plate.
I am guessing for whatever reason either this owner or a previous owner with a green Mini or Mini based kit car used that vin on this car.
Now there is a nice Unipower sitting in the garage in the background and it is green Hmmmmm!
Just my 02c.
All that being said it is a nice build.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 12, 2018, 10:16:10 AM
I've heard rumors of the supercharger and burning oil too.

I once imported a mini and someone transposed a number.  I went to the local customs, explained the error, they fixed the paperwork, and the tag agency issued a title that matched the vin.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on March 12, 2018, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 12, 2018, 06:28:16 AM
Why a new supercharger? These are supposed to be dead reliable and there's not much you can do to hurt them......

He did post a driving video and it sounded like it ran out well.

I think he said he was selling because they bought it to haul behind a motorhome, but decided to buy a home someplace cooler than Texas in the summer instead, so they're selling the motorhome too.

Is Brian the current owner? I think the car will bring good money, if it's as bad as you guys think tho......

Brian is the one who is bidding on this car in BAT.

Apparently as we see by this BAT Auction the car was riddled with problems hence all the front end work and basic maintenance.

Issues easily be hidden in a BAT Auction, if you are selling a Skip car the best way to do it is sight unseen.

I did not go through all the comments as I am really busy, I just heard this car was being auctioned and I pity the fool that buys it.

Edit - Also, the restoration was done in 2001, that means it has been 17+ years since any real work was done to this car.

Mine was restored in 2004 and I am pretty sure that was the last time anyone competent touched it.

I pity the fool.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ5Nzg2MTgwMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTA0NjcxMw@@._V1_UY317_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)


EDIT - I am too busy for this drama.

I am living proof of what a SKip car is like to own. when someone buys and wants to sell in 4-7 short months that is a bad sign.

As I said before caveat emptor.

Good luck to whomever gets this gem.

back to work
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 13, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
The black Mini Park Lane was not sold at $9500.   Unreasonable for reserve to be higher?  Maybe not.   I thought it might go for maybe $11K. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 13, 2018, 02:13:59 PM
I think more people are wanting/expecting top dollar for plain Minis just because a limited few have gone for outrageous money.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 13, 2018, 03:59:13 PM
A few things with the Park Lane Mini threw a wrench in the works.
It had an aftermarket (looking) glass pop up sunroof which needed a new seal.
Lots of large areas of glue stains on the headliner.
Two Carriage bolts through the lower portion of both doors.
Mileage was low but some old MOT's incorrectly show it as 200k km's.
A half sill repair panel installed on one side.
It needed tidying up under the bonnet.
Only a 998cc.

All the above things if addressed apart from the low mileage 998 would have resulted in a better price at the auctions end imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 14, 2018, 10:56:53 AM
Duncan_same_old,

Some years back, the Opcon superchargers and manifolds for kits on Minis went out of production.  The suppliers of the upgrade kits for Minis could no longer get them.  Apparently they are back in production now with an updated manifold.

As for Jims5534's experiences regarding Skip, Jim owns a Mini Pickup that was formerly Skip's (it passed through my hands very briefly between the two).  It was not maintained as well as it should have been and Jim has been suffering the pains of getting it back up to proper running condition.  The sort of neglect the Pickup experienced was out of character for Skip's reputation.  I have no explanation for why other than possibly too many "toys" and the Pickup saw the least use/care.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 14, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
Quote from: Duncan_same_old on March 14, 2018, 10:26:37 AM
@94touring -- I didn't "try to unload it."  A person who saw the green woody at TX All British Car Days contacted me and wanted to come look at it.  I had only had it a couple of months.  He went ahead and asked how much to pry it out of my hands, so I pulled a number out of the air. 

Maybe you were trying to make a quick buck, maybe it needs work, maybe you don't like the car, maybe you have other priorities.  Either way that's flipping a car and  suspect. Having seen Skips handy work that puts this wagon on the suspect list.  Especially when out of the blue I of all people receive emails about this car and a laundry list of concerns.   I don't think any of us are on BAT muddying up your sale.  All arm chair quarterbacks from afar. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Duncan_same_old on March 14, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
@94touring -- resist the dark side!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 14, 2018, 01:53:56 PM
Of course. My only advice is disclose anything you are aware of and go on about life.  For all involved I hope it turns out to be a solid ride. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 14, 2018, 03:28:13 PM
@Duncan_same_old. I couldn't swear it was your car smoking and said it could have been another one that looked the same as yours or it could have been repaired before you purchased it, if you say it doesn't smoke i have no reason not to believe you.
The vin plate issue is what it is. I am guessing the po never got back to you and explained how there was a different green paint on the new vin plate ? I personally do not have issues with re vinned Mini's as long as they are not stolen of course but made up numbers to me are a different ball game. Judging by the bidding it is not an issue to others or yourself.
I do like the car and if i did not have 4 other Mini's right now and the vin issue was a little clearer and or documented i would possibly be bidding on it.
That being said i think you have been one of the most forthcoming owners selling a car on BaT you have answered most questions promptly and to the best of your knowledge.
GLWTA it should do well and now i know what to do with my Clubman Estate LOL.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 15, 2018, 04:07:07 PM
Wow the auction on the Clubman/round nose woody Estate closed at $27,200+.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 15, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Strong price, he came out well on that one!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 16, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
Obsolutely. I think the majority of car listed on BaT bring all the money. Of course if they are all correct and ready to go they should but a lot are not that way, it has to be the strongest place to sell a car right now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 16, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
Yet another Mini on BaT, this time a JDM 998 4 speed......good looking color, but I wonder why they didn't refinish the top and bottom dash rails to go with the rest of the color change?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-2/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 22, 2018, 08:43:20 AM
Well, the color changed surf blue JDM 998 Mini above brought $15,250.....a strong price IMHO.

On to the next......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 22, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Is this the first Moke on BaT?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke/)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 23, 2018, 06:45:58 AM
Not the first Moke to be listed on BAT.  Not many come up though and it has been a while since the last one came up.  I think this is about the fourth.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 29, 2018, 04:44:26 PM
Yet another Mini on BaT, this time a Mini 30 - looks very nice and I like the metallic cherry red! 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-30/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-30/)


The green Moke above brought $29,500!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 29, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
That UK Moke at $29.5k i thought was strong money but that is what happens when 3 people are bidding. To be fair apart from the respray it was pretty original and nothing was welded or patched over and as they say they are only original once.

The Mini 30 looks nice and in good shape most i have seen have been rusty. This one has had paint on the A pillars so i am guessing the scuttle has been repaired. I have heard that the later flat windshield rubber likes to hold water which may be correct as the earlier cars were not as prone to rusting there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 04, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145)

This Inno raises a lot of questions, especially about rust, but the motor might be worth the whole car.......at no reserve it should be an interesting auction....but I can't see paying over $5K for it.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 05, 2018, 07:13:58 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 04, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-innocenti-mini/#comment-2130145)

This Inno raises a lot of questions, especially about rust, but the motor might be worth the whole car.......at no reserve it should be an interesting auction....but I can't see paying over $5K for it.

now at 15K... Somethings going on...
Car is rough all around.. Sure it may work,.,. but Rivete'd side panels? Surface rust everything... How can a built engine  look as' rough' as it does.. Must be an older build from mr russell.. Thats fine.. but the bid price is up there

Perhaps the Registration + pre SMOG requiremen issues in Californa  help this car more than the Whole.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 05, 2018, 07:25:03 AM
Yes it looks fishy jumping to $15k with one bid in less than a day. I think the rivets were where the Fortech flairs were attached on the rear 1/4's. Not much originality of the Innocenti left and some serious work to bring it up to shape.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 05, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
Yet another Mini for sale on BaT, this time a tasty little Traveler.....that needs a lot of mechanical work, as well as some help on the body - I mean, they couldn't tape off the headliner before they sprayed the interior? Come on.......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-traveller/)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on April 05, 2018, 09:06:08 PM
Oh, so lazy to respray and not tape the damn headliner. That has to go first. Over spray on everything.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 05:36:51 AM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 06, 2018, 08:53:34 AM
That wagon has been for sale on Mini Mania off and on for quite some time.  I don't recall the asking price. 

Edit:
A refresh of the Mini Mania ad seems to have been recently done and shows an asking price of $10500.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: SoCalMiniFan on April 06, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 05:36:51 AM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.

I love Volvo wagons! I've had one on my list of favorite cars since I learned to drive.  I really wanted a 240 as my first car but that didn't pan out. 
How are you liking your Santa Cruz (Bronson?)  I picked up a 5010 this year and it's the bees knees.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 06, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
I'm also a wagon meister......with an Audi Allroad, my MINI Clubman (sort of a wagon) and my previous Mini was a Clubman Estate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: SoCalMiniFan on April 06, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 05:36:51 AM
Man. I like that little traveler.!   Sure its Bits of this and that but thats what keeps it yours..

Seeing the Gaff tape + headliner condition it wasnt worth taping (masking)  it Should have been removed upon respray but the covering needs replaced anyhow... Good engine + gearbox + brakes + suspension sliding windows = long body OH YESSS

It could be a fine buy to tart up and finish! have a useful little wagon!   Yea , I like wagons.

I love Volvo wagons! I've had one on my list of favorite cars since I learned to drive.  I really wanted a 240 as my first car but that didn't pan out. 
How are you liking your Santa Cruz (Bronson?)  I picked up a 5010 this year and it's the bees knees.


Wagon life.   I did some mini work on a Converted Van to a Window van and it was Darn Useful for a few days of Use.
 
    Volvo for life!
  We even got my Mother in Law a wagon for 'baby duty"  also now have a SUV,  XC90 ... not near as FUN as wagons are to drive but its solid.

Santa Cruz Bronson = Simply Heaven.
    I Tested a 5010 too and it was a GREAT bike!.  Broke my other Big Mtn Bike, and needed a 'bigger" bike replacement.     Simply Shreds   the Harder you push it the easier it eats it up.. Mind boggling speed on the tough terrain.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Mini Overload!

Clubby!

Tidy!

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1522933851e40810bf523f24deeeIMG_6604-940x627.jpg)


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on April 10, 2018, 06:42:26 PM
Quote from: jedduh01 on April 06, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Mini Overload!

Clubby!

Tidy!

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1522933851e40810bf523f24deeeIMG_6604-940x627.jpg)


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-austin-mini-1275gt/)

Somewhat local to me. Watching this one in case the bidding stays low. Sadly timing sucks.

Taxes are due next week and I have to pay my last Obamafine and I have to fund my IRA's in order to minimize my Obamafine, there is no money left for playing car.

If this is in a steal neighborhood I might move and take my financial lumps.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM
Well, that blue Inno went for the 2nd bid, I wonder if that car really sold or if it was a mistake on the bidder's part? I guess we'll know if it gets relisted........$15007 was simply ridiculous for that car.

The nice black Clubby is up to $13K, which shows that a truly nice car will bring good money, even with a square nose!   ;D

The little red wagon is up to $4k, I can't imagine it going above $5K with as many problems it now shows - like a square end pipe drain plug that has to have silicone smeared all over it to keep from leaking, more silicone on the transmission case near the shifter and a whole host of other issues. There's a car under this mess, but it will take some skills and some dough to bring it out.

Stan's 2005 is now up to $9K with 6 hours to go, so I'm thinking he should get a nice finish to his auction.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 12, 2018, 07:08:31 AM
The worse part about the red Estate is the hit it took on the passenger floor, it is totally wrinkled and looks to be hammered out even the fender well looks out of shape. That being said the flip front fits very well and the mechanical's are worth close to the current auction price.
The Clubby looks excellent and for once the colour change looks to have been done correctly but if the auction does not pick up i am sure it will be RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 12, 2018, 09:47:45 AM
When I first saw that red wagon on BaT, for about 2 seconds I thought i was seeing my old Traveller.   Seeing the condition I'm glad it is not my old car.   It would have been heartbreaking to see it run down like that. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Lone Star Mini on April 12, 2018, 10:32:34 AM
the next time (if ever) I buy a Mini, I'm going to hire you guys for kicking the tires... 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 12, 2018, 12:37:24 PM
O I know.  If I'd known half of what I do now I probably wouldn't have bought the one I have or would have offered much less.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 12, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
Wow, that lil red wagon sold for $7550, about $2550 more than I thought it was worth.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 12, 2018, 04:17:32 PM
Yes it kicked up speed towards the end. No reserve auction and it did $3k less than he was originally asking for it.

The black Clubman GT just doubled its bid up to $13k.

Mark Caldwells Spruce green UK Moke is going to be on BaT real soon and it is as perfect as they get so based on what others have done i am thinking it should set a record for a UK Moke imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jims5543 on April 17, 2018, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: Duncan_same_old on March 14, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
@94touring -- resist the dark side!   ;D

Nice ninja edits now that the auction is over.

I do not hate Skip, I never met the asshole, I do know he does not know how to maintain a car correctly, I have one of his neglected piece of shit cars in my garage.

What you did was unload your mistake on an unsuspecting sucker who purchased in good faith on BAT without a proper PPI. I am sure for a nice tidy profit at that.

I have a rule when it comes to cars, under 10K take your chances, over 10K get a PPI.

I took a wild in the dark chance  that the Mini community was a honest and good one, I did not get a PPI on my 78 Pickup that I paid 12K for sight unseen.

A week after I got it I heard an unsettling rod knock and noticed the oil pressure was alarmingly low.

I nursed it for 1500 miles then pulled the engine. Now, as I dig into this car I see how hobbled together it is.

What a POS. I cannot state how fucked this car is everywhere I look.

A PPI would have flushed out all the major problems with this truck and I would have probably passed. Now I am stuck trying to make it right.

My dilemma is this, after I have it back on the road do I keep it or unload it?

See, every time I look at it I think how much of a sucker I am for buying it like I did. Part of me wants to just get rid of it, with full disclosure and sell at a loss because I am honest like that.  The other part wants to hang on and treat it like a rescue mutt, it has been neglected since it came to the states. I know I can make it right, will I ever profit from it? Probably not.


You made the perfect move, you knew you had a POS Skip car on your hands, you did just enough to unload it, and now the next guy gets to spend all the money, or maybe he will drive it 10 miles and put it back on BAT for the next sucker.


Ironically I purchased a car from BAT, I have a 1981 BMW 320i that I paid way under my 10K limit for PPI's. It has turned out to be one of the best blind purchase I ever made.


I am sure you will never check back here now that you unloaded your car on BAT, it was obvious you were trying to do damage control despite none of us did anything to hurt your auction.

To be honest, I am too busy to notice this shit, I received an email from a guy who is not a member here who was stirring up the pot over this car.

I am sure he will read this, please do not bother to email me with this bullshit internet drama.  I have better things to do with my time.

Good luck to you sir I hope you are OK with what you sold. Maybe the cat was tight, I suspect, since it was a Skip car, we both know it was not.



 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 17, 2018, 07:01:32 PM
I did something similar when I bought my Clubman estate - my own fault, no one else's - but I learned the hard lesson that you are responsible in the end so I bucked up and made a nice car out of it - I wish I still had it sometimes but the guy who bought it from me got a great car and has had a ton of fun with it - he even took it on 6000 miles of MINI Takes the States. In the end I came out OK on it, I lost a little but I'm Ok with it......

So, to your pickup - I say - make a good car out of it - enjoy it if and while you can, then sell it knowing that you've saved another one from the scrapper and now another guy will get to enjoy a great Mini Pup too. With the way prices are going on Minis, esp MKI and the variants like a Pup, you may come out ok on it, and if you don't you got some good fun out of it too?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 24, 2018, 08:44:15 PM
Hey, it's a local Mini on BaT.     Local as in from a Restoration Mini member!

Good luck Chris.  I think your authentic Mk. I Cooper S is going to sell for quite a pretty penny. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-2/


(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/5ade5193a5e39_1523891968f9f98764daAustin3-940x607.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 24, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
I wondered if you saw that too, I just saw it a minute ago.

Beautiful car, def should bring more money than that "barn find" a while back that went for $54K!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 24, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
Very nice. Fun to see the mirrors.  Dean posted the same mirrors but mounted off the glass hardware.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on April 25, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
Hey guys,

Thanks for your kind words.  BaT is kind of scary.  Hope I don't regret this... but so far, lots of nice things being said about the work I did.  We'll see.

Chris
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 25, 2018, 10:49:25 AM
Chris.  Good Luck with sale!  Will be a LOng week to watch it!

== let me know if you want to sell that precious hydro pump!  I probably used more than you did!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 27, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
No follow up on that beautiful Mini? $42K was a significant result! Congrats, Chris!

Now there's another pretty Cooper S Mk I on BaT, this one an original US model from 1967.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
Auction for "1973 Mini Cooper" on BaT comes to a screeching halt when it is pointed out (repeatedly  ::) ) the car is a re-vin.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mini-cooper-s/

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/15261774470930ab539b3e9c32caIMG_5546-940x705.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 01:34:25 PM
And the red 1967 Mk. I Cooper S is only at $27K with 90 minutes to go. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
It wasn't a problem till they started bringing the big bux......look at that woody wagon that just sold - it had a 5 digit vin!

Once the dollars grow so does the scrutiny.

this could be a real problem for the seller - I believe it's a dealership. I don't know if they can go back on the guy who sold it to them or what....clearly they were hoping to cash in on the boom in Mini prices ad I can't blame the for that but they should have done their homework.

And OMG...the red one went RNM at $39,500!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2018, 04:09:16 PM
RNM at $39,500?  Ummm.   That seems a bit crazy to me.   I realize that car is a Cooper S but it's an ex-race car that was extensively rebuilt back into a road car.  So how much of the car as it was in 1967 remains?  Nothing wrong with a restored car - but should there be an expectation that it still has some Cooper S mystique if the car as it appears now is largely sourced from the Mini Spares website?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2018, 05:54:43 PM
Exactly my thoughts, and the same as a few other posters......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: d_a_1384 on June 08, 2018, 02:03:00 AM
I need a old car and classic car?
i dont price car
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2018, 11:43:59 AM
There's an incomplete Mini Jem or Mini Marcos on BaT now.  Actually it's on eBay but BaT has featured it.

https://bringatrailer.com/2018/06/13/in-the-rough-unfinished-mini-jem-project-in-florida

(https://s13252.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/152884886083f027327d84Mini-Jem-TS-project-for-sale-Left-620x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
Small block motor that doesn't run, no glass or interior....I would not want to take this on, no way no how......and the bid is up to $3K already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 14, 2018, 06:24:18 PM
The Mini Jem project sold for $5k.  Holy cow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 15, 2018, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)

So, according to the listing it used to have a 993 (?) engine?   Wow.  A Porsche-engine Mini !!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 06:15:53 PM
Yeah, BaT and their typos.....makes me think they have pretty non-car folks writing this stuff up..... ::)

But - if I can find the listing - I saw a 63 MK! for sale with a Buick V-6 driving the rear wheels thru a Ford 9" rear end today.....

Rats, the listing is on Facetube, but here are a couple of pics - I think it's on MM too...

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 15, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Wow!  That's a remarkably normal looking Mini from outward appearances. I'd never guess it had that drivetrain.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2018, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 15, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Nice MK1 driver quality Mini on BaT, no reserve too......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-4/#comment-2294840)

It sold for $24K !  It's a Mk. I and a very nice Mini but Wow!   I thought it might go for $18K or so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
I don't quite know what to think of this one, it has an interesting history, and being an 850 with a magic wand transmission makes it the least desirable Mini in my opinion.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 03, 2018, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
I don't quite know what to think of this one, it has an interesting history, and being an 850 with a magic wand transmission makes it the least desirable Mini in my opinion.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-850/)

Read the comments.  This Mini was installed in an office building and later cut in 3 pieces to remove it.  Then welded back together.   Wow.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
Yes, that was the "interesting' part I was talking about   8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 04, 2018, 03:46:47 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 03, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
Yes, that was the "interesting' part I was talking about   8.gif

Ahh.   I thought you were referencing the hippy-dippy roof art.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 04, 2018, 06:42:30 AM
Did you read how he did the roof art? Built a lazy susan, set the car on it, a friend spun the car while he hung from a rafter over the top of the car and dribbled paint onto it! He says it was done with that dip type paint, so it will peel right off if the new owner doesn't want it - I like it myself.

The car actually seems pretty well sorted, but that welded from 3 pieces would bother me.

Being an 850 too, I don't expect it to go over $6K

Wonder if Newton commercial still makes that awful avocado green carpet?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 06, 2018, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 04, 2018, 06:42:30 AM
Did you read how he did the roof art? Built a lazy susan, set the car on it, a friend spun the car while he hung from a rafter over the top of the car and dribbled paint onto it! He says it was done with that dip type paint, so it will peel right off if the new owner doesn't want it - I like it myself.

I am a bit skeptical that is how it got painted.  Let's just say a lazy susan big enough and strong enough was made and used.  Can you imagine spinning a Mini around and around and around fast enough to develop sufficient centrifugal force from the center of the car where the paint was supposed dribbled?  How many rpm's do you think you'd need to spin the Mini so as to get the G forces high enough to cause the paint to run to the roof edges?   20 rpms?  More?   I'd like to see that.

Just think of the old carnival painting effect the car supposedly emulates.  In those paintings, the cardboard that the paint was dropped on was spinning at least several hundred rpms.

If I had to recreate the paint effect on another Mini, it would be much easier to dribble one color paint on and then use compressed air to push it to the roof edges.  And on to the next color...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 08, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
Aha!  Just as I thought.  After I questioned the method, a video of the roof being painted has emerged over on BaT.  Spinning didn't work to spread the paint so compressed air was used.

With the Seller being absent from the auction, I think this car will go RNM.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 09, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Well, that Mini went RNM with bids up to $7K.  Even with the custom painted roof, IMO that's more than fair for a Mini 850 with leaky drum brakes.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 09, 2018, 04:54:45 PM
Yeah, 850's just don't bring big bucks, an uninvolved seller didn't help. The guy that used to own the car answered more questions than the seller did.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 09, 2018, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 09, 2018, 04:54:45 PM
Yeah, 850's just don't bring big bucks, an uninvolved seller didn't help. The guy that used to own the car answered more questions than the seller did.

And he wanted his old Mini back too.  He would have won it had the reserve been reasonable. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2018, 06:07:46 AM
A pair of Mk. I Minis are for sale on BaT.   Actually, it's said to be one Mini and a Mini parts car.   Lots of old and not too useful parts are included too.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-cooper-5/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/1963_austin_mini_cooper_153055159666e7dff9f98764daaddtext_com_MTIxNzUyMTEzMzE-620x465.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 18, 2018, 09:17:53 AM
Judging by the wrinkling in the floor and boot floor that shell has been hit hard. It has boot board brackets but is not a Cooper or S vin number just a mash of parts at this point.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 18, 2018, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?

My wild ass guess is that they will go for about $5K-$6K (which will be too much) and be purchased by a starry-eyed dreamer who has bookmarked minimania.com and really doesn't know what he's getting himself into.  He will push them around for a couple of years and then sell them on to the next person. 

As you said, the 'value' is that they are Mk. I cars.  And there is a 1275 there too.   So that, like the floor pans, is a bit of a wrinkle.   ;D   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 02:03:27 PM
If they were here in DFW and it was a Two-Fer at $1500, I would be your Starry-eyed Dreamer:)  But doing all that work to a non-S strikes me as a money hemorrhaging proposition.  As opposed to most of our Minis, only money losing propositions:)
Maybe it was the racer in those two shells past but someone went to some effort to convert to Cooper S brakes.  I doubt that thing was powered by an 850...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 18, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
I have a trade in running/driving 1275 SPI with rocker and lower door rust and all parts to repair i would sell for $6500.
Yeah it's not a MK 1 but a running and driving 1275 imo is a better bet, maybe i am biased ;)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
Judging by the lack of bids so far (just one and it is a symbolic $1963) and few comments (with none of them very positive), there doesn't seem to be much interest in these Minis. 

This auction could very well go RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 19, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
Except,since it's no reserve, MiniGuy could wind up with it for the initial bid. I thought he didn't even work on them, let alone restore them?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2018, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 19, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
Except,since it's no reserve, MiniGuy could wind up with it for the initial bid. I thought he didn't even work on them, let alone restore them?

D'oh!  I somehow missed the no reserve part.  :-[

Yeah, that would be interesting.  I don't think he's ever been prepared to win an auction he's bid on.  He appears on BaT to not-too-subtly mention his Mini consignment services.   If each mention was part of a drinking game we'd all be drunk by now.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 19, 2018, 08:04:50 PM
I'm drunk. What do I need to bid?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 20, 2018, 01:52:09 PM
If any of you drunks buy all that junk, sell me the race car shell.  Uh, for $1500.  Cash money!  No, really!  Then you could make a Twinni out of the shell with the 12" wheels... an 850 up front and the 1275 in the back.  Have a bunch of levers like in the cab of an earth mover.  You might need a co pilot just to keep everything in check.

Wait...Dan is a pilot.  Perfect!  Dan! You need more Minis, right?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 20, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
Apparantly I didn't bid on anything luckily.  I may be acquiring another shell later this year if anyone is needing one.  Repairs needed, which I imagine I'll do before selling, and should have a title too. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 23, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 18, 2018, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on July 18, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
Ton-o-work.  Makes me shudder at the thought of making those shells solid again.  But they are Mk1's so c'mon Bruce, what's your over/under?

My wild ass guess is that they will go for about $5K-$6K (which will be too much) and be purchased by a starry-eyed dreamer who has bookmarked minimania.com and really doesn't know what he's getting himself into.  He will push them around for a couple of years and then sell them on to the next person. 

As you said, the 'value' is that they are Mk. I cars.  And there is a 1275 there too.   So that, like the floor pans, is a bit of a wrinkle.   ;D

Lucky guess on my part.   Some last minute bids and the pair of Minis sold for $5K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on July 24, 2018, 06:20:33 AM
More like your keen eye and razor sharp bullshit meter.  Once again, you're spot on.  Can we bet on you in Vegas?

I figure for buyers, since I was one previously, it's a matter of reference.  This buyer scored two Mk 1 shells for $2500 a piece and he's happy to have won.  Then there are guys like us who know how much labor is involved to get an old shell squared away, not even considering prep and paint.  Dan for example, could write a book on this.  Lot o work.  But I get it, Minis are cool little boxes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 24, 2018, 07:55:34 AM
And yet I keep taking on more.  Slave to the mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 25, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
Tidy little Countryman for sale on BaT......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 27, 2018, 07:27:31 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 25, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
Tidy little Countryman for sale on BaT......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-woody/)

Nice wagon.  Too bad about the audio install and the sunroof.  But having a 1275 and disc brakes makes up for some of that.   And the wood looks to be in good shape too.   I have some real doubts that is Snowberry White - much too creamy IMO.  Snowberry White is a lot whiter than Old English White - more like the color of the newer MINI in the background.

If there is momentum, I think bidding on this car will approach the low 20s.  Maybe more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 30, 2018, 12:04:15 PM
I was way off.  The woody Mini just sold for $16,250.   Considering the condition of that car, and the rarity of the model, I'd say the buyer snagged a deal!   As I said, I think the car was worth at least $20K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 02, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
I thought $16250 was light and was a long way from the $26k he had it advertised for on Mini Mania. I don't think the big stereo set up helped as the front door pockets were cut to mount two speakers in each door.
He said he was selling it to help his autistic grand kid so it was sold for a good cause.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 02, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
I think it was well bought at that price, for a car from a dry climate. The sunroof and stereo might not be to everyone's taste, but they looked well done at least.

I know several people who have sold cars recently on BaT and they (BaT) are actively discouraging reserve sales.....I think it cost this guy some money, but OTOH, it might not have sold either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 02, 2018, 10:30:37 AM
If they are they aren't doing it everywhere.  That modified red 280z that was done racer style hit $19,800 with RNM.  Was really surprised for a partially restored non register-able car in CA.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 02, 2018, 11:36:15 AM
It seems very discriminatory as to what cars BaT pushes to "No Reserve".  Very few BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Aston, Jaguar and Porsche auctions are "No Reserve".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 02, 2018, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on August 02, 2018, 11:36:15 AM
It seems very discriminatory as to what cars BaT pushes to "No Reserve".  Very few BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Aston, Jaguar and Porsche auctions are "No Reserve".

Me?  I'd be happy if they would cut down the number of late model Porsches, Mercedes, BMWs, etc. appearing on BaT.   It's getting like a fricken Robb Report.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2018, 07:34:11 PM
Another Mini on BaT.  This time it's a Mk. II Cooper S.    Not exactly original (shock!) and a little scruffy - in some of the details - in my opinion.   But no glaring major flaws.  Except it was born a white/black Mini and now is a red/black Mini.   Not sure the world needed another red Mini.   ;D    (hey j/k)   

Being a Cooper S, I think this may go for some big money.  But I've got a feeling the comments to come will focus on all the stuff it is not, like 'original'.  Red gas tanks!?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/5b628ae811f5d_austin_mini_cooper_s_15331846897f9bb215d59ef55611967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1533051048a8a29576DSC00218-1-940x766.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 06, 2018, 08:19:39 PM
One word.......oversills.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 07, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
What's the Bruce Over/Under?  I guess $29,500. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 07, 2018, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on August 07, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
What's the Bruce Over/Under?  I guess $29,500.

I dunno.  Engaged seller vs. observant commenters.   Who will come out on top? 

My wild ass guess is this car will be bid up to the low 20s.  Although the Mk II is very desirable it's not as special as a Mk I with the more interesting interiors and little oval taillights, etc.  And this Mini has been accessorized and modified which will not be to everyone's taste.  Plus the oversills, which I completely missed in my first look.    That's why I'm gonna say low 20s at best. And likely RNM.  Unless several people see a diamond in the rough and go for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 10, 2018, 01:08:20 PM
Hmmm.  That red Mk. II Cooper S is more than halfway though its 7 day auction.  Comments and bids seem to be at a standstill -- only 28 comments so far, and there have been no new bids over the past several days.  Wonder if there will be more interest in the car as it approaches the end? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 10, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 13, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 10, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....

Good point!


Well.  Surprise, surprise.  It sold for $16,500.    And I am very surprised.  But maybe I shouldn't be.  It's like there was no great effort to prepare the car properly for sale.  It's a classic Mk. II, said to be a authentic Cooper S car, but why does it look like a 1980s Mini with 12" wheels and plastic wheel arches?   

Not sure a Heritage Certificate means much if there is no VIN plate on the car - and no effort to tie the car to the VIN. The seller has owned the Mini for 30 years and did not even know if his Mini had a VIN plate mounted behind the radiator??!?!??!?!?  And he had never heard of oversills and didn't know it had them!?  And oh yeah, now that you asked the seat shown in one of the photos is from a Lancia and doesn't go with the car.  Just WTF?  But assuming it's really a Cooper S under it all, the buyer got a great deal.  Especially if the buyer de-customizes it and gets it back to what it should be.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 13, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
A nice 91 Mini driver for sale on BaT.....  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-mkii-1300/#comment-2436007 (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-mkii-1300/#comment-2436007)

Too bad about the poor paint match and 13 year old tires.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2018, 06:02:11 AM
I wonder if this late model green '91 Mini will sell for more than the red Mk. II Cooper S that just sold?  Sounds crazy, but it is possible...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 15, 2018, 06:26:22 AM
Quote from: BruceK on August 13, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 10, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
I don't know why anyone would bid before the last few minutes.....

Good point!


Well.  Surprise, surprise.  It sold for $16,500.    And I am very surprised.  But maybe I shouldn't be.  It's like there was no great effort to prepare the car properly for sale.  It's a classic Mk. II, said to be a authentic Cooper S car, but why does it look like a 1980s Mini with 12" wheels and plastic wheel arches?   

Not sure a Heritage Certificate means much if there is no VIN plate on the car - and no effort to tie the car to the VIN. The seller has owned the Mini for 30 years and did not even know if his Mini had a VIN plate mounted behind the radiator??!?!??!?!?  And he had never heard of oversills and didn't know it had them!?  And oh yeah, now that you asked the seat shown in one of the photos is from a Lancia and doesn't go with the car.  Just WTF?  But assuming it's really a Cooper S under it all, the buyer got a great deal.  Especially if the buyer de-customizes it and gets it back to what it should be.

I agree the owner seemed like he was out to lunch.
I liked his statement about one day before the auction was ending "i just started the car for the first time this year" really !!!! with an auction ending in a day or two.
I would not be surprised if the new owner sort's the seats, dash, stickers, vin number and generally get's it back to a normal looking MK II S and sells it on for a decent profit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
There is now a red "Moke" listed:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-2/)

This is NOT a 1967 Moke - more likely a "Choke" or late Cagiva Moke.
- 1967 Mokes did not have the factory "trunk" behind the rear seats, that was a feature of Chokes and late 1980's to early 1990's Portuguese and Cagiva Mokes.
- It has the full length tank of the Chokes versus having a single 'cubby hole' in the front of the left side pontoon.
- The fuel filler cap is a small one on the side (as in the later Mokes) versus the large cap on top of a true 1967.
- A true 1967 did not have the front parcel shelves.
- The switches on the instrument pod are all later style rockers.
- The seats are the late style.
- The roll bar (top support) is the later style with integrated seat belt mounts.
- The rear mounts (tensioners) for the top are the very late ratchet style.
- Late style side mirrors (as from Portuguese or Cagiva Mokes).
- Late style "roo bar" bumpers front and rear.
- Late style windshield surround and side screens.
- Stepped out fender edges of early Chokes.
- Has the late style front side-marker lights that a true 1967 did not have.
- Wrong style voltage regulator box.
- Home made VIN tag with insufficient numbers and no plant designation letter at the end.
- Wrong shaped side covers on the front two cubbies of the right side pontoon (they are flat instead of having the dished oval center).
- Front turn signals are the wrong style.

Those are just some of the obvious things that stand out to me.  The early comments are all "dazzled" by the bright red color and bling added.

Edit: I do not have a BaT login, so if anyone here with a BaT login wants to copy the item above and post on BaT, feel free to do so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on August 16, 2018, 03:48:52 PM
After all that was done to it, it still has an 850 in it. Running a HIF44 no less. Lots of very neat go fast and stop quick stuff.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2018, 03:56:46 PM
Malsal piped in, he thinks its a late model Portuguese shell running an early 850.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
I just read some of the latest comments and Malcolm (Malsal) and a couple other true Moke folks are revealing it for what it truly is - a tarted up late Portuguese shell with an 850 instead of the original 998 and a false VIN.

The prefix of the VIN is correct, but the serial number portion is wrong.  My Moke is an Oct. 2, 1967 build date and has a seven digit number starting 1073xxx.  No way they produced enough Mokes to roll the number that far up - even if the BaT Moke was built in 1966 as a 1967 model.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 16, 2018, 06:42:50 PM
It is a bitzer that's for sure. The one thing that throws me a little is the fixed grille which was only on early UK and Aussie Mokes but maybe the front panel was replaced.
The seats i looked at closer and i believe the rears especially are from a Choke. The pedal box, column, wiring harness, engine/box, rear lights, are all early Moke but the majority of the rest of the parts including the shell are Portuguese.
I can't for the life of me understand why someone would do all this work at great expense and stay with an 850 but to each his own.

Michael. It is weird why they would use flat steel for the pontoon doors when the replacement doors are not expensive.

Brad. The HIF is not installed and would be a waste apart from the fact it would probably be slower.

I am sure it will do well money wise as it looks good and for some insane reason bidders do not seem concerned with made up vin numbers as evidenced by the ex Clubman Woody wagon that sold for big money with a phony vin recently.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2018, 07:32:06 PM
It Must be Mini week on BaT!

67 Mini Cooper S. One thing that caught my eye was that the engine number is stamped into the block rather than on a riveted on tag

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-5/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2018, 10:22:18 PM
Engine number stamped into the block is usually a sign the engine has been rebuilt at some point with the block having been hot tanked in the process.  Supposedly, hot tanking the block dissolves the tag.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2018, 07:54:43 AM
yes, but why wouldn't a Mini-centric company like Jet Motors not make a new tag? I mean, they could make the block number match a cert from another car easily enough.....

The one answer I can offer is that those damn rivets are HARD. I tried to drill them out of another engine once and broke 3 drill bits trying to get them out....didn't succeed either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 17, 2018, 09:36:12 AM
And the hits keep coming!   This is now the fourth Mini currently offered on BaT.   It really is Mini week!

This Mini has been built up as a tribute to AJB44B, the famous works Mini Cooper S that was entered in the 1964 Apline Rally, the 1964 Tour de France (obviously not the bike race), the and 1964 RAC Rally.  It was DNF in all of them.  Then came the 1965 Monte Carlo Rally where AJB44B really redeemed itself by coming in 1st.  And it was promptly retired by BMC and kept as a display car for promotional purposes.  Fifty-three years later it currently is on display at the Heritage Museum at Gaydon - I saw it there a couple of months ago.

Looks to me to be that this replica/tribute is well done.  I wonder how a Mini presented like this will do?  Does it attract more buyers?  Or is it too much of a niche?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-mini-mk-i/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5b7358461a3d7_mini_mk_i_1533169319cfcd2IMG_4291-2_Fotor-940x620.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 17, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
They unscrew Dave. I use a sharp scraper and with a couple of hammer blows they shear off.
The only trouble with a stamped into the block engine number is you are not sure that you are buying the correct car and engine package or if it was just copied off the Heritage certificate.
Also the vin plate is hand stamped from the top side you would think they would have made one up correctly with the reverse stamping.
By the looks of the receipts Jet Motors / Jeremy Thorpe is doing well with these restorations.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
How do you unscrew them when they are already sheared off flush with the block, and you can't drill into them?

And yes, Jet Motors is featuring prominently in a number of auctions these days.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 18, 2018, 09:17:42 AM
You can't unscrew them it they are sheared off i was just offering a solution if they can't be removed. Are you sure the ones you tried to drill out were original as i can't imagine the ones i have sheared off with a scraper were that hard?
I had a Mini engine here once and it had a 998cc engine number on the block and was clearly a 1275cc with a HIF 44 and a 12G940 head on it and ran like a bat out of hell, it ended up that the engine plate was glued onto the block with the tops of the rivets glued on also and they looked like they had been cut with cutting pliers to me. The back story was it was used in local hill climbs in the UK and was maybe cheating a little LOL.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 18, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
Like you can't tell a 1275 from a 998 just by looking at it!  Lol   ;D

Well, maybe I'll give it another go, but I sure didn't have any luck the first time I tried it......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 19, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
I didn't want to say anything on the BaT listing, but did anyone look at those Jet Motors invoices on the Moke? Holy Crap on a cracker!

57 hours @$100 to change the suspension, brakes, exhaust, and fit a new ignition system .....and the part prices! Wow!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 19, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
I didn't want to say anything on the BaT listing, but did anyone look at those Jet Motors invoices on the Moke? Holy Crap on a cracker!

57 hours @$100 to change the suspension, brakes, exhaust, and fit a new ignition system .....and the part prices! Wow!

I saw there were invoiced, but I didn't look into them.  But wow.  Just WOW.   I would bet that Heritage Garage has similar pricing since they are direct competitors.  You've got to be really un-handy with tools, or made of money, to pay crazy money like that.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 19, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
Yea, and $100 an hour is fairly cheap these days.  Dan, you didn't read that, OK!  They probably got the parts from mania or 7 and marked them up 15-20%.  Why buy the cheaper parts to mark up, lol.  That's why I'm sure on that Speed New Black mini she had to have well over 50K in it cause I can bet you they are well over $100 an hour. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on August 19, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
  They probably got the parts from mania or 7 and marked them up 15-20%.  Why buy the cheaper parts to mark up, lol.

Because more markup = more $$$.  And it sure looks like they like $$$$.   If they bought parts from the UK, they'd get a nice 'motor trade' discount off the retail UK prices (which, as we know, are 1/2 to 1/3 of the prices that Minimania and Seven charge dumb Americans) so room for even more markup. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 03:01:56 PM
If anyone is curious I'm $50 and don't mark up parts. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 19, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
Actually, most of the US based Mini parts suppliers (Heritage, 7Ent, Mania, etc.) do NOT receive a "trade" discount.  They buy the same parts we can from the same UK suppliers.  They then add in shipping to their location and then their markup on top of that to set the price the charge to us.

Most of the US based Mini parts suppliers also do not offer any "trade" discount to repair shops ordering from them.

I learned this back when I lived in Ft. Collins, Colorado and hung out with the folks that owned and ran The Motorway Ltd. (a British car service and restoration shop).  The only parts supplier that gave them a "trade" discount was Moss Motors. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
Well they can get knockoff panels at about 25% cheaper than what spares advertises.  Heritage panels too for that matter, though heritage sets the price on what you resell at. I know because I bought 2 big shipments worth.  I also had a wholesale thing going on with Leacy for awhile and was getting roughly 25% off as well.  Problem is it's a pita to stock and sell that many mini parts for the minimal amount of profit you make, at least for a guy like me with a job.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 19, 2018, 05:00:00 PM
Well, I blame the owner for not at least checking some of this stuff themselves, but holy markup Batman.....those parts prices were absolutely nuts!

I also charge $50/hr and I think that's reasonable for the expertise level I bring. I'm also pretty liberal on the time I charge.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 19, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Plus we don't have overhead!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on August 19, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
Actually, most of the US based Mini parts suppliers (Heritage, 7Ent, Mania, etc.) do NOT receive a "trade" discount.  They buy the same parts we can from the same UK suppliers.  They then add in shipping to their location and then their markup on top of that to set the price the charge to us.


Hmmmm.  I am somewhat skeptical of that.   From what I understand some loosely based Mini clubs such as the Mini Forum and others get a 7.5% discount at MiniSpares, right?  And I know a guy back in the 1990s who sort of ran a backyard "Mini repair shop".   He had business cards made up at Kinkos and presented one as proof of his "business".  He was offered, and took, a nice trade discount from MS at the time.  I benefited from his discount on some orders I made back then.   I really can't see Don Racine, who has been buying in bulk from MiniSpares for over 4 decades, paying full retail there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 19, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
It was many years ago, when Mini Spares and Mini Mania had their "falling out" and separated their websites, that I heard the information.  It may have changed since then.

If they are getting a "trade" discount, then their mark up seems even bigger and "overhead" just does not seem to fully explain it away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 06:54:12 AM
There's an interesting turn of events on the Moke auction.  The dealer selling the Moke acknowledges that the 1990s Cagiva Moke body with the Austin Moke VIN (and drivetrain) and the Morris Moke title, (my words, not his) may not exactly be a 1967 Morris Mini Moke, entirely.  He's offered to look for the hidden VIN on the body and post photos of it.  That's very upfront.  I wonder if the body has (or had) a hidden VIN stamped on it.  I would think that Portugal, being part of the EU, would have required hidden VIN stamping by the 1990s.  But then again, Portugal is not exactly known as a automotive manufacturing powerhouse.


I wonder how this discussion is going to affect the auction?  I'm guessing interested buyers are happy to overlook this. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 07:24:40 AM
Well, all the buyers seem to think an 850 Moke with a ton of go fast look goodies somehow is a performance car! So I'm guessing that they don't really care - after all several people have pointed that info out to them already and the bids just keep climbing.

I think some people feel that if you spend enough money on a car it's worth that and more - I believe in the market, not the expenditures.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 09:29:17 AM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 09:29:17 AM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasn't presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 10:44:47 AM
I've been reading thru the invoices on the Red MkII, that guy spent a shed load of money at Jet Motors on the car in 2013, and spent another shed load at another shop this year, much of which was correcting what was done wrong at Jet Motors! No wonder he's selling the car! Someone will be getting a well sorted finished car tho
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
Man they are flagging comments on the Moke right and left.....anyone know who "Werewolf" on BaT is?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2018, 01:24:14 PM
"Werewolf" is the screen name for Bill Cox (runs Monte Carlo Minis in Earl, NC.).  He is a know trouble maker and rabble-rouser on several forums.  He uses the same username on the Mini Mania forum where he has been banned many times over the years.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
Man they are flagging comments on the Moke right and left.....anyone know who "Werewolf" on BaT is?
Yeah, I figured it out earlier today.  It's Bill Cox.  North Carolina-based long time importer of less than pristine Minis and flagrant self-promoter.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 01:25:31 PM
Dang.  Michael beat my response by mere seconds!    ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:35:56 PM
What about Dr Mini?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:35:56 PM
What about Dr Mini?
Is he the same Dr. Mini who posts here?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:59:05 PM
11 min left on the green Mini, $13,250 bid, biddings getting busy....wonder if it will go higher than I thought?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 20, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
Yea the seller of the restored S called out werewolf in the comments about why he seems to have  a beef with them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on August 20, 2018, 02:01:09 PM
Yea the seller of the restored S called out werewolf in the comments about why he seems to have  a beef with them.

He's just that kind of guy.  He'd have a beef with Mother Theresa. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 01:59:05 PM
11 min left on the green Mini, $13,250 bid, biddings getting busy....wonder if it will go higher than I thought?
It's at $14.5K now.  And not done yet I suspect. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
The "Dr. Mini" is the same as sometimes posts here: Hugh Cannon.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 02:14:04 PM
A little more than I expected, but it's still a  nice car



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 09:29:17 AM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasn't presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini.

Well, it came true.   A 1990s Mini Cooper sold for higher than a Mk. II Cooper S.   Wow.  $17K wining bid.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: Whee on August 20, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
Wow! Prices have gone crazy. I think I may be a little under uninsured on my Minis. Maybe agreed value of $12k on my "S' is a little under...

Ummm..  yeah!  ;D   I suspect that restored Mk. I Cooper S on BaT will easily be bid into the $30Ks.  If not higher.  Of course some of this depends on how the comments go, but with the body number revealed to be the same as on the Heritage Certificate, it looks to be a genuine Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: Whee on August 20, 2018, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 20, 2018, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 20, 2018, 09:29:17 AM
Bruce, you really think the green car on BaT is a $23K car? I'm thinking it will bring $13,500 to $15K

I was saying that it possibly could sell more for than the recent authentic Mk II Cooper S which sold for only $16,500 (because it wasn't presented very well for what it is).   I think you are right in line on this car.  My guess is this will be bid up to $13K to $15K.  There are no real negatives on this car, but I think the seller could have done more to play up the fact that this is an authentic later generation Mini Cooper.  Not just a Mini.

Well, it came true.   A 1990s Mini Cooper sold for higher than a Mk. II Cooper S.   Wow.  $17K wining bid.

Well, to be fair a non-rusty 1990's Cooper is harder to find than a non-rusty earlier Cooper :)

True dat.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on August 20, 2018, 03:12:18 PM
Yes, looks like the genuine thing.  Original German spec Cooper S.  Shame someone spent $40k restoring that and that's how the floors turned out?  Pathetic!  Also, they should have painted the bottom body color and shelled out the meager cost of getting reverse stamped VIN and engine number plates.  I think anyone spending stupic money would be put off by these little irregularities.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 20, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Agreed on the floors of that red S.  I looked through those pics and wondered who the heck did that nasty floor repair?  Did they let the new kid loose on that thing?  Why would you not take the time to line up the ridges?  I mean heck, it's a lot of work either way!  The welding looks like they used a wire welder with no gas bottle.  And the black paint over undercoating?  I dunno... the little car deserved better. 

I guess we have to wait a couple of days to get the answer as to whether buyers care about that stuff like we do.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 21, 2018, 06:37:46 AM
Quote from: velopackrat on August 20, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Agreed on the floors of that red S.  I looked through those pics and wondered who the heck did that nasty floor repair?  Did they let the new kid loose on that thing?  Why would you not take the time to line up the ridges?  I mean heck, it's a lot of work either way!  The welding looks like they used a wire welder with no gas bottle.  And the black paint over undercoating?  I dunno... the little car deserved better. 

I guess we have to wait a couple of days to get the answer as to whether buyers care about that stuff like we do.

Also if you look at the original floor next to where the new one was stitched in it is badly wrinkled, the way to go on this build would have been to replace and use full length floors.
The other bad repair i see is the use of several compression fittings on the hydro brake or fuel lines, at a $40k level of restoration these should have been replaced and are a definite no no on brake lines.
The only people making out on the two Mini auctions is Jet Motors and BaT with their listing/sale fees.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 08:46:17 AM
And this is why I bought the Aussie specific panel for my floor.  It cost more to ship than the panel and the panel was probably 2-3X the UK version.  But it didn't line up right and was missing the bolt holes for the under floor trays. I was willing to pay to have the uk one removed and replaced with the aussie one.  I did because I'd know and someone would notice.  Thanks to my professional guy for pointing it out too and giving me the option to change it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 21, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 08:46:17 AM
And this is why I bought the Aussie specific panel for my floor.  It cost more to ship than the panel and the panel was probably 2-3X the UK version.  But it didn't line up right and was missing the bolt holes for the under floor trays. I was willing to pay to have the uk one removed and replaced with the aussie one.  I did because I'd know and someone would notice.  Thanks to my professional guy for pointing it out too and giving me the option to change it.

It is all in the details you did the right thing imo and as the saying goes if you are going to do the job do it right.
I don't know if Later MK 3 through 7 floors are different but i had thought for the most part apart from very early cars they are the same if they are not maybe the wrong ones were used.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 01:07:22 PM
Agreed.

When he fitted the new aussie pan he was excited at how oversized it was.  Maybe the UK ones are kind of small and the rot was to one side so they shifted the panel instead of adding a filler piece.  Only speculation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
yea those. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
Based on the floor pan I bought it was factory from 65 to 72 I believe. Must've had rock problems down under.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 21, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
Based on the floor pan I bought it was factory from 65 to 72 I believe. Must've had rock problems down under.

I seem to remember your old floor had some weird man-made holes and butchery too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 21, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
Maybe it's a factory Aussie thing cause the 66 S in my shop doesn't have them either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 21, 2018, 05:15:43 PM
It was more layers than holes.  Think Dan said he removed 3 layers from the right side.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 21, 2018, 05:57:26 PM
2 layers on the left pan, 2 on the right, and 3 on the heel board.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 23, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
The contentious red Moke went RNM - not surprising. 

What was surprising to me: the last bid was $33K and it still went RNM!

It makes me wonder what my white Moke would go for.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 23, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 23, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
Greed. 

Surprised BaT let them set up the reserve that high.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 23, 2018, 03:58:32 PM
I can't imagine what the seller thinks that red Moke should sell for.  I tend to agree with Bruce that "greed" has worked its way into some of these Mini auctions.

Mine has many of the same "upgrades" as the red Moke, but is a genuine UK Moke (a fully proper MK-II UK Moke replacement shell that truly matched factory spec. for 1967) and has the proper VIN tag and Heritage Certificate to prove it correct.  I guess I don't have the "greed" gene as I would be happy if mine got to that kind of price in an auction.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 23, 2018, 07:51:14 PM
And the red Morris Cooper S was RNM as well.  I thought the final bids were about right, high even.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 07:04:55 AM
And that's a staggering amount of money for a Moke too, IMHO!

But it does give justification to Mplayle and WillieB for ordering new body shells and spending that money on theirs...I expect they'll have about that in theirs time they're done.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 10:15:55 AM
Mokes have have been priced at a premium for a while.  I sold my '66 Moke back in 1995 for $12K.  That was a pretty healthy price back then compared to regular Minis.  So good Moke prices are not a new thing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
The rally tribute Mini is up to $15k with an hour to go.  My guess is that it will hit $20K.  But kinda hard to tell how many buyers it will appeal to.    Not an ordinary Mini. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 24, 2018, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 23, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[

Same guy both auctions Dave. Both those cars were bid over what they were worth which is common on BaT and ok imo when they are 100% nice or correct which neither one of these were not.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 24, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
The rally tribute Mini is up to $15k with an hour to go.  My guess is that it will hit $20K.  But kinda hard to tell how many buyers it will appeal to.    Not an ordinary Mini.

A lot of negative comments mostly just nit picking especially from one guy who has been told by the owner that it is his auction and to shut up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 12:19:22 PM
The rally Mini was RNM at $16K.  I guess not everyone wants a replica, no matter how very nice it is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 24, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
That was (and is) my little rally replica. :) It was way too cheap a bid to sell for that amount, it's definitely worth more. Only reason for sale is a desire to get a Cooper or Cooper S as standard as possible. I want my kid to drive it, and can't really see him handling a RHD car anyway, never mind a rally replica.

It's for sale if anybody is interested.

Ooooohhh. And if you know who hectoral5 is, don't tell me. I don't want an arrest record.

Haha.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2018, 12:27:28 PM
Too bad about the RNM.  Definitely worth more.  I'm sure it will find a new home
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 12:51:36 PM
Welcome to the forum Henrikthecat!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 24, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Looked like a nice car to me.  I didn't get all the shitty comments.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 01:08:35 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on August 24, 2018, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 23, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
$33K for that Moke and the seller passed?????? What a maroon!

And the guy with the red Cooper S passed on $36K What the hell is wrong with these people?  :-[

Same guy both auctions Dave. Both those cars were bid over what they were worth which is common on BaT and ok imo when they are 100% nice or correct which neither one of these were not.

right, said he's a dealer too....said he's sold over 7000 cars over the last 10 years, but I find that hard to believe- that's 700 a year, almost 60 a month. That's a lot of cars unless you're a Toyota dealer.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 24, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
@henrikthecat
1. How much is the rally gear worth? In order to get the most out of your investment, selling those pieces separately might yield the greatest return.
2. You said it's for sale now. How much are you wanting for the car?
3. There were a few things that kept me (and maybe others) from bidding. 1) A previous owner had mentioned absent floor boards and rear-end damage, but you were unaware. 2) There was not sufficient photography of those areas of concern. There appeared to be repair to at least the left front floorboard and the battery box. 3) Some of the previous repairs were not of the highest caliber- rough welding on the battery box, red paint  overspray at the rear. 4) These are not necessarily deal breakers, but they breed uncertainty
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: paulmc130 on August 25, 2018, 03:28:56 AM
The rally car is on eBay now. $23k OBO.[/font]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292696213611[/font]

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 05:36:26 AM
Henrik, what are the two T-Handle wrenches in the back window for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 05:57:26 AM
They're tire wrenches. The works cars had them, not a lot of room for tools so they put them where they could get them.

Quote from: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 05:36:26 AM
Henrik, what are the two T-Handle wrenches in the back window for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 06:21:00 AM
You know... I spent 25 minutes writing out a lengthy reply to you (honestly). Then realized "what's the point?".

Best of luck to you.

Quote from: Righteous on August 24, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
@henrikthecat
1. How much is the rally gear worth? In order to get the most out of your investment, selling those pieces separately might yield the greatest return.
2. You said it's for sale now. How much are you wanting for the car?
3. There were a few things that kept me (and maybe others) from bidding. 1) A previous owner had mentioned absent floor boards and rear-end damage, but you were unaware. 2) There was not sufficient photography of those areas of concern. There appeared to be repair to at least the left front floorboard and the battery box. 3) Some of the previous repairs were not of the highest caliber- rough welding on the battery box, red paint  overspray at the rear. 4) These are not necessarily deal breakers, but they breed uncertainty
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 06:24:50 AM
Thank you!

Quote from: MiniDave on August 24, 2018, 12:51:36 PM
Welcome to the forum Henrikthecat!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 25, 2018, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 06:21:00 AM
"what's the point?".



1. Enlightenment
2. I'd hate to see your 25 min composition go to waste
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 08:27:43 AM
Righteous, are you in the Lawrence All British Car Club? If so we may know each other.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
Surely you missed the "self" part off of your username.

Quote from: Righteous on August 25, 2018, 08:24:29 AM
Quote from: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 06:21:00 AM
"what's the point?".



1. Enlightenment
2. I'd hate to see your 25 min composition go to waste
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
It sold to the first person who came and saw it last night. Thanks all.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 04:12:39 PM
Wow, well done. Are you going to stay in our little community here? I'm sure you'll have another Mini soon, if you don't already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: henrikthecat on August 26, 2018, 06:48:16 AM
I am actually looking for a nice Cooper or Cooper S. We'll see, I guess.

Quote from: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 04:12:39 PM
Wow, well done. Are you going to stay in our little community here? I'm sure you'll have another Mini soon, if you don't already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 26, 2018, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: henrikthecat on August 25, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
Surely you missed the "self" part off of your username.




No need for unpleasantries. With regards to these online auctions, transparency should be encouraged, not met with hostility.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Righteous on August 26, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 25, 2018, 08:27:43 AM
Righteous, are you in the Lawrence All British Car Club? If so we may know each other.....


I haven't attended any meetings yet. Btw, thanks for the machine shop recommendations. I am working with Prather.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2018, 09:55:29 AM
Perfect, they'll do an excellent job for you.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 28, 2018, 04:43:49 PM
Now on BaT is the most original Mk. I Cooper S I have ever seen, I think.  This car was owned (still owned?) the owners of MiniCity and is even more remarkable that it was not "improved" or customized, or accessorized since they sold all sorts of Mini goodies.   

Some 40+ years ago I was a frequent customer of MiniCity, back when there was no MiniMania, or Seven Enterprises (or MiniSpares for that matter). 

Baring some unforeseen drama, I think this original, unrestored Cooper S will be bid up into the $40Ks, or higher.  It's a true time capsule car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-2

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/5b849f41cec76_austin_cooper_s_153323063266e7dff9f98764daspring-2018-940x575.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 04:20:30 AM
Six days left in the auction and there was just a huge jump in the bids on that original Cooper S, nearly doubling the last one.  It's up to $27K now!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 12:58:43 PM
Wow.  Unreal.  How the heck did the thing make it all this time without being molested?  The photos alone are worth $$ to anyone trying to restore one.  I'll wager it goes above $50K.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 01:51:59 PM
At $29K now, about to crest over $30K and 5 days to go........to me this shows what a premium people are putting on originality these days.

Where will it all end?

Porsches are over the moon expensive, old Ferraris are in outer space, old Alfas and Lancias heading thru the stratospere, Corvettes are climbing and even our cheap little throwaway Minis are getting nutso expensive......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 12:58:43 PM
Wow.  Unreal.  How the heck did the thing make it all this time without being molested?  The photos alone are worth $$ to anyone trying to restore one.  I'll wager it goes above $50K.

Yeah, I think you are right.   A running, driving totally original Mk. I Cooper S is a rare think indeed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
And another Mini shows up on BaT.  This one is not pretending to anything other than what it is.   The big unknown at this time is the condition of the body - no undercar photos are shown, yet. 

Wonder if it will get some sort of 'bounce' from the much more expensive Mk. I Cooper S being sold at the same time? Definitely different Minis, but this could appeal to someone who gets pumped up about the other car, but wants something more affordable.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-mk-iv/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1977_mini_mk_iv_1535480110a8ba3b973450bf6aScreen-Shot-2018-08-28-at-11.13.55-AM-940x706.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 29, 2018, 04:34:19 PM
And probably drivable.  No ones going to drive that s.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 04:58:36 PM
Wonder what the reserve is on this, $15K?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 04:58:36 PM
Wonder what the reserve is on this, $15K?

That might be high for this car.  But without showing any photos of the typical Mini rust areas, it is impossible to determine if this is closer to a $9K Mini — or a $15K one.

It's almost like some people set themselves up for poor results on BaT on purpose.  If you have any exposure at all to viewing BaT auctions, you know that potential buyers demand to learn everything they can about the car being offered.  So why even begin an auction and avoid presenting important information such as under body photos?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...

My grandson who's also a car nut can't wait for the correction to happen, he's got his eyes on some 60's muscle cars. Just waiting for the boomers to start loosing their licenses so he can scoop something up at pennies on the dollar.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 30, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Here's some originality insanery for you.  20K for a 182K mile 100 HP 4x4.  Seriously, you could build an non original version of this for probably a 1/4 of that and have a 10x better vehicle.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-toyota-4x4-pickup-8/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 12:17:42 PM
$8500 bid to $19,999.......what's up with that?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 30, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
I posted something about eBay mentality, but others then stated he'd done these type of "knock out" bids before.  I just don't get it.  Of course the guy selling it just bought it from the OG owner a year ago.  No way he paid more than 5K for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
That's crazy money for that Toyota pickup.  Somebody watched that TopGear segment too many times.



Meanwhile, over at the original '64 Cooper S auction, a couple of comments, one after the other, just got flagged as non-constructive.  Wonder what's going on with that?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
There was a lot of that in both of the 911R (Moke and Mark 1 Cooper S that both didn't make reserve) auctions too..

I see someone called out MiniGuy for bidding prices up without being a serious buyer.....

$35K on the Red Cooper S with 5 days to go, last bit was a $5K jump.

I just made a comment, let's see if mine gets flagged.....the othe two showed up in my feed for a few minutes - they were commenting that MiniGuy wasn't a serious bidder and was just bidding the price up - I responded in kind...we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
There was a lot of that in both of the 911R (Moke and Mark 1 Cooper S that both didn't make reserve) auctions too

Yeah, but I looked back at the comment history for both people involved this time, and neither of them has been a douche in the comments before.  Curious. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2018, 01:22:10 PM

I just made a comment, let's see if mine gets flagged.....the othe two shoed up in my feed for a few minutes - they were commenting that MiniGuy wasn't a serious bidder and was just bidding the price up - I responded in kind...we'll see what happens.

I don't get a feed - didn't even know that was an option.


Well, regarding MiniGuy, I agree he's not a serious bidder.  When I looked a few months ago he had bid on like 50+ cars, and never came close to buying one of them.  But lately, I have not seen him do the self-promotion thing saying "my website is my username plus .com" type of comments.  Perhaps he just stopped doing it.  Anyway, his bids don't hurt anything or derail the auction - he taps out well before the bids get close to the selling price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 01, 2018, 04:52:23 AM
New photos up on the blue '77 Mini showing the underbody.  Not exactly rust-free.  But it was never claimed to be either.  I'm going to guess this car will go for about $12K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 02, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
The red Cooper S just took another $5K jump to $40K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 02, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
I think it might set a new all-time high for Minis on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on September 03, 2018, 06:52:25 AM
Is the BaT record $56.5K for that Mk2?  Bidding is a fun thing to watch, contenders stepping up early to burn off the poser-bidders.  But the heart of the matter is those last few minutes...
I'll wager $58K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 08:39:01 AM
Bidding up to $41k on the red/black S now i think it will do $55k. They just did a start up video 50 plus pounds idling oil pressure sounds just like a Mini should, there should be no surprises with this one as they say "they are only original once".
The blue LHD needs a little work but looks solid and should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 29, 2018, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on August 29, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
MiniDave,

To mirror what you said, the market is beyond the norm and not just for Minis.  Much like the stock market.  So guess what?  If/when a correction takes place, these high water marks we're seeing will come back down.  Not that it helps us working class Mini nuts. And while gold and diamonds take up little space and hold value, you can't drive them:(
I'll store this built 1275 motor a bit longer then, hoping for a cheap shell to come along.  They sound so good at 6K rpm...

My grandson who's also a car nut can't wait for the correction to happen, he's got his eyes on some 60's muscle cars. Just waiting for the boomers to start loosing their licenses so he can scoop something up at pennies on the dollar.

Not sure if it has been mentioned but speaking of silly money for cars did anyone see that Paul Mc Cartney's old Cooper S just sold for an eye watering $236,000 USD more than double what Ringo's fetched. Not sure but this has to be a world record price for a Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned but speaking of silly money for cars did anyone see that Paul Mc Cartney's old Cooper S just sold for an eye watering $236,000 USD more than double what Ringo's fetched. Not sure but this has to be a world record price for a Mini.

Aww, to have more dollars than cents.  ;D  Part of me is glad cause it preserves stuff that should be, but man 236K for I guess a piece of art/history so I guess if you look at it that way it's pretty cheap.  Rationalize!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
The original red Mk. I Cooper S is now bid to $62K with 40 minutes still to go.  Wowsers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
Watching it live.  Fake bidding has now come up in the conversation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 11:44:26 AM
I'm watching live too. Some serious bids back and forth!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
Holy crap!  It's at $80K right now!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 11:48:23 AM
And that was the winning bid:  $80,000 for an original Mk. I Cooper S.   

Stunned.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 04, 2018, 12:40:25 PM
"They are only original once"
And if you want that originality you are going to pay for it.
Really it is not surprising when you consider the all original regular early Mini which was a non runner and bought $52k or so a while back.
I heard that the buyer of Mc Cartneys Mini was the same buyer that bought Ringo's Mini Geri H? (Spice girls).
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2018, 01:27:56 PM
When you think back a little bit, saying something was 'original' (as it applies to cars), was not a desired quality until pretty recently.  Original condition usually meant it was beat to hell and needed to be restored.  And a restoration was needed to bring it back to 'as original condition', meaning that magic point in time when it was brand new. Pebble Beach is the epitome of that (although most of the stuff there falls into the much-much-nicer-than-it-came-out-of-the-factory category. 


I can see where original has it's place in the art world of unique creations, but with mass-produced goods like automobiles, is this original thing just a passing fad?  Or is it a big change in thinking?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 04, 2018, 02:02:01 PM
Time will tell.  All that is certain is right now is the time to sell that original preserved car.  The trend may continue and prices may go up, but if I had one it'd be for sale today. 

Makes you wonder what's more valuable now.  A full on completely accurate nut and bolt restoration that is fully back to original spec with all matching date coded stuff.  Or a used/preserved never been touched car like that Cooper S.

In the current atmosphere I'd say the used one. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 06:58:33 AM
Quote from: BruceK on August 29, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Wonder if it will get some sort of 'bounce' from the much more expensive Mk. I Cooper S being sold at the same time? Definitely different Minis, but this could appeal to someone who gets pumped up about the other car, but wants something more affordable.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-mk-iv/


Just 6 hours left on this auction.  And I think this Mini is going to benefit somewhat by association from the massive $80K selling price of the other car.   My guess is this will be over $15K, perhaps up to $18K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
The blue '77 Mini just sold for $17,000.   I think it did get a bit of a bounce from the Mk. I Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 05, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
I forgot to watch the end of this one....I think you're right. I also think that the blue one represents a way better deal, since you can drive and enjoy it, where the other one will only be worth less as it ages, especially if it gets driven.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2018, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 05, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
I forgot to watch the end of this one....I think you're right. I also think that the blue one represents a way better deal, since you can drive and enjoy it, where the other one will only be worth less as it ages, especially if it gets driven.

Or... the red one will be worth less if the whole hyper-valuing originality trend loses traction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 05, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Makes me feel better about what I'm spending on mine.   77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 05:39:04 AM
One and a half Minis just popped up on BaT.  This time there is no need to bring a trailer!  ;D


I wonder how this combination will appeal to someone looking for a Mini.  Is the trailer an unexpected bonus?  Or an unwanted accessory?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1980_austin_mini_1534366234cfcd2P1010181-2-940x648.jpg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1980_austin_mini_15343663435d565ef66e7dffDSCN1305-2-620x502.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2018, 06:24:44 AM
Darn it Bruce, thought I was going to beat you to posting this.  Engine bay needs a cleaning to match the rest of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 06:53:11 AM
Yeah, the rest of the car looks pretty nice, but that engine bay has been neglected big time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 08:26:17 AM
Don't know about the MINI emblems.....but the car looks nice! I think the trailer is a bonus, if you don't want it you can always sell it. I haven't seen one of these trailers done with the squared off corners like this.....

And what's with the Michelin man in the grill?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 08:26:17 AM
Don't know about the MINI emblems.....

Why don't you like them?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 08:32:43 AM
I'm undecided, I do kinda like them.....

998 pulling a trailer, I guess that's OK on flat ground but when you hit hills it would struggle.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 08:35:44 AM
Those Mini badges are appropriate for the later non-Cooper Minis, and with those 12" wheels that's what this car resembles.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 08:38:43 AM
Mike Smith out of BC built one of these trailers to pull behind his car, but he has a D series Vtec so it will haul it easily.

This looks like a clean solid Mini.....wonder what it will do?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2018, 10:16:09 AM
I'm going badgeless on mine.  Not finding a lot of historical data on Australian cars.  What I have found says they were under the Morris name, but mine has an Austin vin which matches the title so it came to this country with it.  Of course it is removable so who knows.  It is a 65 vin which matches the car year which I guess is also an assumption cause it was this way for a while in Australia.  I like the smooth look too. 

The semi crusty blue one did 17K so I'd "expect" this to do better but who knows.  Going to need all those detailed underbody shots first.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2018, 05:39:04 PM
Even the seller admits the car is let down by the nasty engine compartment
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on September 06, 2018, 10:16:09 AM

The semi crusty blue one did 17K so I'd "expect" this to do better but who knows.  Going to need all those detailed underbody shots first.

I dunno.  The blue one had a 1275 and seemed sporty (why just count the go-faster stickers!  ;D ) .  This white one looks great (other than under the bonnet) but it's a milder looking Mini and has a 998. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2018, 12:10:52 PM
Another Mini has popped up on BaT.   This looks to be a pretty clean Mini Mk. V with a 1275 added.  And the subframes are painted blue!  ;D

I think this car will do a lot better than the nice white Mini.  I can see this one going to the high teens or breaking $20K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-austin-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1986_austin_mini_1536087982d598f3c19ScreenHunter-557-940x675.png)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 08, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
I think you're right that this one will bring more money - it presents better and has the big motor. The good thing about the blue subframes is you know they've been off the car and probably inspected, cleaned, blasted and painted - and I'll bet all the suspension bits are new or refurbished too.

I don't understand the holes in the floor pan don't go thru into the interior tho.....is there a second set of floor pans grafted over the original blue ones? Simple fix, some rubber plugs in the holes!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2018, 03:19:58 PM
And another Mini show up on BaT.   This one is dressed a little differently, but it's Mini underneath.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mini-unipower-gt-competition/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1968_mini_unipower_gt_competition_1536106320013d4DSCF2481-2-940x623.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 08, 2018, 04:08:26 PM
The best part of that listing is the video of the car on track from the Abarth! It looks like a tiny Ford GT from that angle   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 09, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 06, 2018, 06:53:11 AM
Yeah, the rest of the car looks pretty nice, but that engine bay has been neglected big time.
The white car has the seams under the headlights and behind the doors filled in presumably before the respray. Having spent most of its life in the UK it is not surprising along with the solid but not great looking floor repair.
I agree the blue car looks like a better deal.
The Unipower is a rare one to come up for sale and with racing history too it should do well there are not too many around.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 09, 2018, 01:47:33 PM
So I posted it on BaT and britbits agreed.  Picture 25 really makes the front wheel look WAY forward in the well. Other than bad camera angle what would cause this?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 09, 2018, 02:44:16 PM
Caster set differently side to side....lengthening or shortening the tie bar will pull the wheel forward or move it back which changes the caster setting.

Just checked, the car does have adjustable tie bars.

I think the wheels on the car look weird with the sport pack arches, needs the 13's that come with them to look right. Putting some spacers on those 12's would help, moving them out closer to the edge of the arch. Supposed to have hi-los, lowering it some would help the looks too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 09, 2018, 03:32:50 PM
That's what I was thinking. Seller just kind of blew it off so whatever.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on September 10, 2018, 02:30:12 AM
Man, I love that unipower. I'm curious to see what it sells for.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 10, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Now a 1989 Japanese spec Mini with a/c on bat with no reserve.
Looks good on the underside just needing the usual maintenance items but there is some scuttle rust. It says the miles/km's are low but as it has a 1275 and the speedometer has been changed to the center binnacle set up, also i believe all 1989 J spec Mini's had 998's so miles should be tmu.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 10, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Now a 1989 Japanese spec Mini with a/c on bat with no reserve.
Looks good on the underside just needing the usual maintenance items but there is some scuttle rust. It says the miles/km's are low but as it has a 1275 and the speedometer has been changed to the center binnacle set up, also i believe all 1989 J spec Mini's had 998's so miles should be tmu.

Hmmmm.  a no reserve auction is going to be interesting. Yeah, I agree it would have been a 998 car.  So either the year is off, or somebody installed a 1275 and went to the trouble of fitting a/c too.

Here's a link to it:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mini-mk-v/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1989_mini_mk_v_15366003058cbe183b9DSC03372-940x650.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 11, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
It probably came with a/c Bruce as the 99X vin number is a Japanese one, the UK one would have been SAXX and is usually still on the car from previous ones i have seen and owned.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
Right.  I meant re-fitting a/c after installing the 1275 engine.  I can imagine that was a fun job to do.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 12, 2018, 04:38:12 PM
The white Mini with the trailer received a whole lot of little incremental bids from a wide variety of bidders at the end of the auction who kept bidding in the final 30 seconds, keeping the ending auction alive for 2 more minutes with each new bid.

It went from $6,350 in the final hour to $11,000 where it finally sold. 


I think that's a good price considering how clean the Mini was (excepting under the bonnet), plus the bonus of the trailer. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 12, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
Surprised to see the guy that bought it is in the UK, with shipping, fees etc this will be about $15K to his door....or about £11,500. Seems a lot for a UK guy to pay for a Mini, even with a trailer and a wicker picnic basket.

The light blue one is already at $10K, so I expect it to do closer to your estimate of $15K....which makes the white one a pretty good deal by comparison.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2018, 05:47:49 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 12, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
Surprised to see the guy that bought it is in the UK, with shipping, fees etc this will be about $15K to his door....or about £11,500. Seems a lot for a UK guy to pay for a Mini, even with a trailer and a wicker picnic basket.

Yeah, that is kind of crazy.  Like importing "coal to Newcastle" as the Brits say.  Having seen a bunch of nice Minis for sale recently in the UK, I am puzzled why someone there would seek out this Mini to re-import there - it would be cheaper to buy one locally, or build one there.  Especially with the strength of the dollar against the pound.  Perhaps sentimental reasons were the reason for the purchase? 

Quote from: MiniDave on September 12, 2018, 06:09:40 PM
The light blue one is already at $10K, so I expect it to do closer to your estimate of $15K....which makes the white one a pretty good deal by comparison.

The one with the blue subframes?  It's rust-free and looks to be in good shape, so I think it will do better than the dark blue Mini with some rust that sold last week for $17K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2018, 08:04:47 AM
rust-free  :D every time I read that in an add I think yea right, you got full body, every step of the way, pictures of the rebuild. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2018, 08:04:47 AM
rust-free  :D every time I read that in an add I think yea right, you got full body, every step of the way, pictures of the rebuild.

Good point.  I should have said it doesn't have visible rust that I can see in photos. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
Of course this knowledge is only recent to me since I've been working on mine cause I was told the same thing.  Oh yea it's rust free, it's an Australian import.  Uh huh.   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 13, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
Rust free just means you don't pay extra for it!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2018, 02:06:19 PM
Wow, the blue Mini with the blue subframes was only bid to $12,250 and went Reserve Not Met.   My thinking was this was a much nicer Mini than the one that sold for $17K last week and should have commanded at least that much, if not more.   I'm not surprised at the RNM at that price.

Perhaps all eyes are on the Japanese Mini with a/c that is being sold at no reserve?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 14, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
Yea, I even pointed it out to RLove who bid on that mini and then mentioned he regretted selling his RHD AC mini.  Umm hello, there is one on BaT right now.  And they are both in TX.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on September 15, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
A bit late, but I realised that unipower went for $43250 RNM. Seller wanted 50k.
I am very surprised, I understand that it is rare but I would have thought that 43 is the best he would have gotten anywhere. After reading the comments, it appears he did not even make clear that the reserve was so high...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 15, 2018, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: Vikram on September 15, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
A bit late, but I realised that unipower went for $43250 RNM. Seller wanted 50k.
I am very surprised, I understand that it is rare but I would have thought that 43 is the best he would have gotten anywhere. After reading the comments, it appears he did not even make clear that the reserve was so high...

I forgot about the Unipower.   Yes, I agree with you that $43K seemed like it was enough.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
The silver Mini with a/c just sold for $9,600.   What a deal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 17, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
Yep, I wonder if the bloom is off the rose again and prices will return to a more realistic level?? Or was it just fortuitous timing on the part of the buyer?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
Who knows?   Still surprising that the dark blue one with some rust sold for $17,000.   Yet the last two haven't had very impressive bids.   Perhaps the $80,000 for the Mk I Cooper S took all the air out of the room. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 22, 2018, 09:15:31 AM
The blue Mini that was RNM at $12250 is now up on the MiniGuy site with an asking price of $18500.

http://www.miniguy.com/vehicles/blue86rhd/ (http://www.miniguy.com/vehicles/blue86rhd/)

Now we have an idea of what the seller was wanting out of the auction.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2018, 09:22:15 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 22, 2018, 09:15:31 AM
The blue Mini that was RNM at $12250 is now up on the MiniGuy site with an asking price of $18500.

http://www.miniguy.com/vehicles/blue86rhd/ (http://www.miniguy.com/vehicles/blue86rhd/)

Now we have an idea of what the seller was wanting out of the auction.

Minus some room for negotiation and MiniGuy's commission he wants perhaps $17K.   Seems optimistic but fair.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
And now on BaT we have a William Towns designed six wheeled Mini Hustler 6 for sale with a $6200 bid already, kind of looks like a Aston Martin Lagonda Pope mobile LOL.
Most of these (of the very few sold) ended up being scrapped or robbed of their drive trains and vin numbers or just got sold on as projects three or four times, basically a throw away vehicle in the 80's and 90's.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 25, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
I never understood the point of the Hustler, why was it built? What was it used for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 25, 2018, 01:18:47 PM
And we have an Australian Moke on the block!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-leyland-mini-moke/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 25, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
I never understood the point of the Hustler, why was it built? What was it used for?

Mobile greenhouse LOL.
A lot of William Towns designed vehicles were quirky to say the least.
There was a Moke looking 6 wheeler designed around the same time (name escapes me right now) but much the same pretty useless, on the other hand at least you did not cook on a hot day in it but really how many hot days does England have.

The Aussie Moke looks decent apart from the rust in the cross member area and it is shabby under the bonnet.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 29, 2018, 06:29:55 PM
I think you might be right - right around under $15K I think.   So much of these auctions depend on the responsiveness and tone of the seller.  And the interest and tone of the comments too.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 02, 2018, 08:31:31 AM
Quote from: Whee on September 29, 2018, 04:55:19 PM
What are you folks thinking for this Moke on BAT?

I'm going for $13,000 and not making reserve.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-leyland-mini-moke/

I am guessing $12k and with a reserve not met. IMO he should have installed the roll bar and a top to help sell it, the small area of rust is not helping the sale either.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 02, 2018, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Whee on October 02, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
Well, I was close on the price. $13,500, but surprised it sold! I was expecting a $14k reserve.

It is going to the UK. So Whee finds his UK Moke in the UK and ships it Stateside then this Aussie Moke auction is won by someone from the UK shipping it to the UK. Seems like the shipping companies are cleaning up.
A friend of mine restored a Triumph Stag and wanted a hard top which he found (with a car) in California and shipped it to Florida. He removed the hard top and sold the car with a soft top to a guy in (you guessed it) California.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 03, 2018, 05:35:08 AM
Now a 1977 Canadian-market Mini is on BaT.

This one has been de-bumpered, but still has its sidemarker lights fitted. I used to own a '79 Canadian Mini so I know they have lots of little quirks (body reinforcements for example) that were unique to that market.

Looks like an active seller - my wildass guess is this Mini will be bid to perhaps maybe $8K - it's a no reserve auction so that adds a twist. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-1000/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1977_austin_mini_1000_1537485365a8278ee3c743f7fcd916BCE69F-0C6A-4199-B625-CE83E9D238BD-940x705.jpeg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 03, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
Another Mini has surfaced on BaT. 

A rare model, but does that mean it will appeal to more?  I don't think so.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-austin-mini-designer-edition-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1988_austin_mini_-_designer_edition_153850641232b77166913c3DSC_0474-940x635.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
New underside photos just posted for the Designer Mini.   Oversill alert with really dodgy welding!   But nobody has commented on that yet.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 07:18:43 AM
I did.....  ::) :(

BTW, what's the deal with the headrests on the Moke that sold? Is that a factory deal or something someone fabbed up?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 08, 2018, 07:55:52 AM
Those sills and underside look like my 74 did prior to de-oversilling it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 08, 2018, 08:05:57 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 07:18:43 AM
BTW, what's the deal with the headrests on the Moke that sold? Is that a factory deal or something someone fabbed up?

Are you referring to the white Australian Moke with the "lawn chair" seats?  If so, then those are indeed factory headrests.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
yes.....ok, I had never seen those before.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 08, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
They are a bit funky and not very useful.  They do make the impression of being an afterthought.

My first Moke was an Australian Moke with those same seats.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 10:20:26 AM
It's a Mini, Jim.  But not as we know them. 

These are just a bit rarer than a regular Mini.  But should be the same amount of fun to drive. 

So... in the 1970s, of the two major things to consider updating on the classic Mini -- the mechanicals or the body -- the crazy Italians decided to tackle the body and leave all the oily bits as they were designed back in Blighty in the late 1950s.   Personally, I think the original Mini body shape was perfect to begin with.

https://bringatrailer.com/2018/10/08/bertone-bodied-bmc-1980-innocenti-mini-de-tomaso-in-new-jersey/

Seems reasonably priced, and in good condition too.

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1537807632ab689d115378076326d0e9239206835s-l720-1-620x465.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Yeah you can spot an actual roundnose Mini a mile away, these look very generic 90's hatch..... hard to tell what it is till you read the badge.

That's one of the very few complaints I had with my Clubman Wagon, from the front it just didn't say Mini at all.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Yeah you can spot an actual roundnose Mini a mile away, these look very generic 90's hatch.....


Agreed.   But you've got to give the Italians credit for their fantastic aesthetic design skills.  It may look '90s hatch, but it was designed 20 years earlier!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 12:23:05 PM
Yep, if I was going to have a fleet of Minis I'd have this one in the group!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 08, 2018, 03:25:06 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
yes.....ok, I had never seen those before.
I hated the shoe box headrests on my Aussie Mokes and cut 1.5 to 2.0 inches out of the center then welded them back up and re upholstered them, they looked way better imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 08, 2018, 03:28:43 PM
And now BaT has a 1967 Cooper with S badging for sale and a lot of fresh paint on the underside. The bidding is already over $10k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 08, 2018, 03:28:43 PM
And now BaT has a 1967 Cooper with S badging for sale and a lot of fresh paint on the underside. The bidding is already over $10k.

And now, 45 min later, the bidding is nearly $15K.  Wow. Pretty high for the first hours of a 7 day auction.   

Here's a link:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-mki/

It has an Austin America head and a very new-looking engine tag claiming it is a 998 engine - that's what the auction says it is.  But I suspect it might possibly have a 1275 engine.  If we could see the tappet covers or solid back of the engine that could be put to rest. 

I am not impressed with the black undercoating.

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/5bad03bcbfcd7_austin_mini_cooper_mki_153636067865ef66e7dff9f9876M8A2396-940x656.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
It's definitely a 1275 in there now....and it's also def an AA head, pre-A block based on the alternator bracket location. Wiring is a mess, it has oversills, one plastic master cylinder, one can....brake lines spliced, no spring on the clutch arm, weird thermostat housing, wonder if it has a brake booster mounted in the right fender well? No breather hoses, rod change gearbox. Yep, found the brake booster under the right fender.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
I've got a feeling the bidding is going to slow down a bit as enthusiasm is tempered with a good look at the flaws of this Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
It's definitely a 1275 in there now....and it's also def an AA head

Do you say that because of the difficulty of putting an AA head on a 998?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2018, 05:47:34 PM
No, I may have jumped the gun there.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 09, 2018, 04:15:14 PM
The consensus is that it is a 1275 engine with a new engine plate to match the 998 engine listed on the Heritage certificate.
Oversills, crusty doors and replaced front floors i am guessing this car had a previous rough life.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 03, 2018, 05:35:08 AM
Now a 1977 Canadian-market Mini is on BaT.

This one has been de-bumpered, but still has its sidemarker lights fitted. I used to own a '79 Canadian Mini so I know they have lots of little quirks (body reinforcements for example) that were unique to that market.

Looks like an active seller - my wildass guess is this Mini will be bid to perhaps maybe $8K - it's a no reserve auction so that adds a twist. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-1000/



This car sold for a no-reserve price of $6600 with an engaged seller who took on some of the commenters.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
The Canadian Mini brought $6600.....

*Posted at the same time as Bruce.*

I think the seller left money on the table by not cleaning the engine bay, overspray on the fuel tank and so on. He claims not to understand the Mini market, but I think those things would lower the sale value on any car, regardless of brand.

On any car I've sold in the past, the one thing I made sure to do was clean it thoroughly, top to bottom inside and out. I always get my price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 09, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Agreed. Not doing so shows the ability to neglect.  Not exactly what you want to portrait.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
The Designer model Mini sold for $7850 after some lowering of the reserve and BaT apparently kicking some $ in if I understand things correctly.   Hmmm...     Apparently that's half of what the owner was wanting when it was listed for sale on the MiniMania site.


I don't think the red Mk. Cooper is going to do as well as the seller hopes it will.   Presenting it as a numbers matching 998 but then explaining it has a 1275 and please ignore the fresh engine tag has not done the auction any favors.   Neither do the oversills and copious amounts of fresh black underseal.   Still, it's is a Mk. I that started life as a Cooper.  My guess is it will be bid up to about $20K - depending upon how the tone of the auction goes and how much of the discussion focuses on rust.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 11, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 11, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
The Designer model Mini sold for $7850 after some lowering of the reserve and BaT apparently kicking some $ in if I understand things correctly.   Hmmm...     Apparently that's half of what the owner was wanting when it was listed for sale on the MiniMania site.


I don't think the red Mk. Cooper is going to do as well as the seller hopes it will.   Presenting it as a numbers matching 998 but then explaining it has a 1275 and please ignore the fresh engine tag has not done the auction any favors.   Never do the oversills and copious amounts of fresh black underseal.   Still, it's is a Mk. I that started life as a Cooper.  My guess is it will be bid up to about $20K - depending upon how the tone of the auction goes and how much of the discussion focuses on rust.

Those "designer" Mini's seem to do better in the UK than here. Some of the anniversary ones and the Silver Bullet edition always seem to do well.
IMO the car would have done better with all the outside blacked out chrome replaced and recovering the seats black with red piping at least the audience would have been greater than explaining who Mary Quant is. It may have done $12k then.

The red/black Cooper "S" clone after a quick start up to $15k will more than likely be a RNM due to the fact that they supposedly bought it as an S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 15, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 11, 2018, 01:18:19 PM

I don't think the red Mk. Cooper is going to do as well as the seller hopes it will.   Presenting it as a numbers matching 998 but then explaining it has a 1275 and please ignore the fresh engine tag has not done the auction any favors.   Neither do the oversills and copious amounts of fresh black underseal.   Still, it's is a Mk. I that started life as a Cooper.  My guess is it will be bid up to about $20K - depending upon how the tone of the auction goes and how much of the discussion focuses on rust.

This car just sold for $19,875.   Wonder what lurks behind the overcoat or under the oversills. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 17, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Another real Mk1 Cooper S, with the engine number matching.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 17, 2018, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Another real Mk1 Cooper S, with the engine number matching.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do)

Yeah, this one looks so original and clean - I think this may end up as something rare for a Mini on BaT : an auction that doesn't have any issues or controversies.  Of course I've now jinxed it.   I'm not a fan of the wheel arches or roof decal, but those are easily fixed.  And the wheels look to be not-OEW, too bright.  Hydro is long-gone, but I don't think that will be a super big deal.     

Assuming an attentive and responsive seller and no surprises (can't imagine there would be any), my wild guess is this puppy will go north of $45K.  Maybe more.   While white isn't everyone's choice of car color, but it really does highlight how super clean this car is - the floors under the carpets are just amazing.  The fact this car still lives near where it was first sold is pretty impressive too.


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1539372093ada4d93c1c467-AC-S-99-940x607.jpg)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 17, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
Some pretty impressive original floors for a 51 year old Mini.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1538105619ff9f98764da67-AC-S-260.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 24, 2018, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 17, 2018, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Another real Mk1 Cooper S, with the engine number matching.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do)

Yeah, this one looks so original and clean - I think this may end up as something rare for a Mini on BaT : an auction that doesn't have any issues or controversies.  Of course I've now jinxed it.   I'm not a fan of the wheel arches or roof decal, but those are easily fixed.  And the wheels look to be not-OEW, too bright.  Hydro is long-gone, but I don't think that will be a super big deal.     

Assuming an attentive and responsive seller and no surprises (can't imagine there would be any), my wild guess is this puppy will go north of $45K.  Maybe more.   While white isn't everyone's choice of car color, but it really does highlight how super clean this car is - the floors under the carpets are just amazing.  The fact this car still lives near where it was first sold is pretty impressive too.


This went RNM at $37,500.     A real missed opportunity to present it a little differently, and gain more interest and money IMO.

This was a Mini offered at auction with no real controversies - and that should have been a great thing.  But there was no passion for the car either - at least judging by the comments. 

Arm chair quarterback view on the poor auction performance:  The seller should have really capitalized on the basic goodness and originality of this car.  It's a very clean car, but the value in a Mk. I Cooper is in two things:  its verified pedigree and its originality.   

This car had the first, but the later was muddled.  So it should have looked as original as possible - the mickey-mouse checkered roof did it no favors at all.  Neither did the ugly wheel arches which don't really suit a Mk. I car IMO.   Good points for having Cooper S steel wheels, but they should not have been painted bright refrigerator white - they needed to be OEW and match the car as they would have been back when the car was new.  The bonnet stripes - they weren't done right, and they are not a feature of early Minis as sold, so they should not be on the car period.  There were many photos, but the photos were not very good quality and they should never be taken in bright sunshine.  The owner believes the interior is totally original to the car -but didn't volunteer that information until hours before the auction ended.   Same with videos, they only showed up on the final day.   Had this car looked more original, and really capitalized on that, there would have been more passion and interest.  As it was, there were sometimes no comments at all for several days at a time - it could have done better if better presented. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 24, 2018, 12:29:10 PM
Yep, if you want to get all the moneys, you have to sell the sizzle as well as the steak.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on October 24, 2018, 12:50:47 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 24, 2018, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 17, 2018, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Another real Mk1 Cooper S, with the engine number matching.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_category_notification&fbclid=IwAR22FJ5p1llnJlfwLcPUYz05-jjhWouLWdUSEt-lI0-CjBkcyjn4borr5Do)




Yeah, this one looks so original and clean - I think this may end up as something rare for a Mini on BaT : an auction that doesn't have any issues or controversies.  Of course I've now jinxed it.   I'm not a fan of the wheel arches or roof decal, but those are easily fixed.  And the wheels look to be not-OEW, too bright.  Hydro is long-gone, but I don't think that will be a super big deal.     

Assuming an attentive and responsive seller and no surprises (can't imagine there would be any), my wild guess is this puppy will go north of $45K.  Maybe more.   While white isn't everyone's choice of car color, but it really does highlight how super clean this car is - the floors under the carpets are just amazing.  The fact this car still lives near where it was first sold is pretty impressive too.


This went RNM at $37,500.     A real missed opportunity to present it a little differently, and gain more interest and money IMO.

This was a Mini offered at auction with no real controversies - and that should have been a great thing.  But there was no passion for the car either - at least judging by the comments. 

Arm chair quarterback view on the poor auction performance:  The seller should have really capitalized on the basic goodness and originality of this car.  It's a very clean car, but the value in a Mk. I Cooper is in two things:  its verified pedigree and its originality.   

This car had the first, but the later was muddled.  So it should have looked as original as possible - the mickey-mouse checkered roof did it no favors at all.  Neither did the ugly wheel arches which don't really suit a Mk. I car IMO.   Good points for having Cooper S steel wheels, but they should not have been painted bright refrigerator white - they needed to be OEW and match the car as they would have been back when the car was new.  The bonnet stripes - they weren't done right, and they are not a feature of early Minis as sold, so they should not be on the car period.  There were many photos, but the photos were not very good quality and they should never be taken in bright sunshine.  The owner believes the interior is totally original to the car -but didn't volunteer that information until hours before the auction ended.   Same with videos, they only showed up on the final day.   Had this car looked more original, and really capitalized on that, there would have been more passion and interest.  As it was, there were sometimes no comments at all for several days at a time - it could have done better if better presented.


Nail on the head == that car was not original and it was modified simple..... regardless of how mild or wild modifications are they have to fit a buyer. and that removes the 'original aspect. 
   Checkered roof + arches / Now you have holes in the fenders and 'rub' spots from them being installed. Missing exterior chrome Will never be the same! . the car while complete was not a true original survivor.. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 25, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
The auction on the white '67 Cooper S ended a couple of days ago, but the comments continue to grow.  Including several comments on the Innocenti Mini Cooper 1300 Export as being the most desirable of all Minis.  Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 26, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
A Honda-powered Mini Van is now on BaT.   This will appeal to bit of a different crowd than a regular Mini I think.

The car has an early VIN, like circa 1960, but it is titled as a 1968.  But I don't think that will factor in much.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-panel-van/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1968_austin_austin_panel_van_1540394409ffb7232bDSC_0030-940x640.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 26, 2018, 10:44:37 AM
This car was for sale on Mania a while ago, I noted then that it had an extended nose and that it didn't look weird because of the longer wheelbase. I think they wanted $30K plus back then.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 26, 2018, 11:04:24 AM
Thought the same thing about the nose.  There is another vtec mini panel in canada buried on mania.  Was bored at work.  It's a b18 with the AWD setup.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 26, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
Red one?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 26, 2018, 12:15:12 PM
No it was all black.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 26, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
Oh yeah, saw that one too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 26, 2018, 01:49:21 PM
There was a grey one with a body kit on there also, just fwd though. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 27, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Looks like a decent build with some attention to detail, needs to loose the roof decal and the BINI badge on the rear though.
Vans seem to be the hardest Mini variant to sell especially in rhd form but this is lhd so it may appeal to a bigger audience but being in Canada may not help the sale imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 01, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
The Mini Van with the Honda engine just sold for $23K.  While it's not everyone's cup 'o tea, that has to be much much less than was spent on building it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 01, 2018, 03:03:02 PM
That was about what they've been selling for tho.....last I looked yesterday it was still in the $7's
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 02, 2018, 06:05:17 AM
On BaT now is a very clean good looking Mk. I Mini.   It's being listed as a Cooper but with no original VIN that ain't happening without a fight from the commentators.   Still, other then the missing provenance, it looks like it will be difficult to find fault with this car (at least with as much as is known on the first of the auction)

My early guestimate is this will go into the $20Ks.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-mk1/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/1967_austin_mini_cooper_mk1_1540910362913c3e8dec47ad07Cover-940x676.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 02, 2018, 08:39:17 AM
Says it has a rod shift, so it's no Cooper S. South African engine block too - interesting.... But it looks like a really nice car!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on November 02, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
Hold up, so theres no VIN or body tag on the car? It's registered on the FE number?

I know with my cars incorrect VIN that I'm no one to talk, but that sounds dodgy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 02, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
It is a little "dodgy", but not unknown to happen with some of the older cars.  Since the VIN on older cars do not conform to the modern 17 character format, when a VIN inspection is done, they will sometimes cross up the VIN with the 'FE' number.  If no chassis plate and older paperwork mentions the 'FE' number, an inspector may chose to recognize the 'FE' number as the identifying number for the car.

I almost had something similar happen with one of the Minis I imported as the 'FE' number on the slam panel was where the inspector first looked versus the chassis plate mounted on the inner wing partially covered by the wiring harness.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 02, 2018, 02:41:13 PM
There are plenty of Minis running around with completely made up vins, at least this one has a number that came from the factory attached to the car, so even tho it's not an actual vin, it does go with the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 08, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 02, 2018, 06:05:17 AM
On BaT now is a very clean good looking Mk. I Mini.   It's being listed as a Cooper but with no original VIN that ain't happening without a fight from the commentators.   Still, other then the missing provenance, it looks like it will be difficult to find fault with this car (at least with as much as is known on the first of the auction)

My early guestimate is this will go into the $20Ks.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-mk1/


After A LOT, and I mean A LOT of discussion about missing VIN plates and this being listed as a Cooper but not a Cooper, this very nice Mini just sold for $21,000.    I think that was a fair price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 08, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
I think so too, it was a very nice car - but that was the top of the market IMHO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 03, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
Another lhd Cooper S for sale on BaT. Will not do the big bucks due to the non originality of it and somewhat shoddy work imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 03, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-cooper-s/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-cooper-s/)

Shiny paint!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 03, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 03, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-cooper-s/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-cooper-s/)

Shiny paint!

Yeah, it's kind of difficult to come up with something really nice to say about that car, so 'shiny paint' is a bit appropriate!

As with that white Cooper S from Wisconsin recently offered on BaT, I think this car is a poorly presented example and it just won't be able to overcome its flaws.  It's apparently a real Cooper S, but so many of the details are off-putting (tan interior, dirty engine compartment, Chevelle headliner, corroded switch panel, missing boot board, painted Union flag, non-original color, etc.) that it is never going to reach its full potential on BaT.   It does have two things going for it: it's already in California where a lot of potential buyers want it to be, and it's still a wet suspension car for those buyers that really want that.   But neither of those things is truly that important.

My wild ass guess, here on the first day of this auction, is this car will struggle to break into the low $20Ks.  But as more info about the car comes to light, perhaps that might change a little.  Right now, there isn't even a Heritage Certificate shown, and that is pretty much a must-have on a Mk. I claiming to be a Cooper S.   

Some irony. Instead of a plain Mini all badged-up pretending to be a Cooper S, this looks to be a Cooper S going completely incognito.


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1967_mini_cooper_s_1543375888a0e44c7e9IMG_9089-940x731.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 05, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 05, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 05, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.

Yeah, those rear side windows are weird.  And unecessary?  Normally the wood would be holding the glass in place.  To my eyes this looks a steel-body wagon from NZ - which are pretty much just Vans with rear windows cut in the sheetmetal, that has had a custom wood kit installed, and they had to work the wood around the windows.


Here's the link:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-2/

And a photo.
(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1967_austin_mini_countryman_15436207030a17a20181114_154812-620x445.jpg)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 05, 2018, 07:25:31 PM
It's a good looking wagon, good color combo and people like the wood look....it should sell easily enough unless he wants stupid money for it. 850 is the main stumbling block for most people....easily fixed with an engine transplant.

A couple of people mentioned that an 1 3/4" is a lot of carb for a 30 hp 850.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 05, 2018, 07:55:30 PM
Yeah, Almond Green looks great paired with the wood.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 05, 2018, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Whee on December 05, 2018, 08:19:50 PM
A woody estate is one of the few major variants I have not owned. My fingers are itching. I'm with Bruce though - I'm suspicious it's a van.

I don't think it was a Van.  The W in the VIN indicates it's always been a wagon.  But the difference is that for New Zealand Minis, the wagons and vans were much closer in construction.  Basically, as I understand it, unlike the UK-built Mini estates with one side panel sheet metal stamping for the estate cars and another one for the Mini Van, in New Zealand both van and wagon started life with the same side panel stamping and it had no windows.  But for the wagons, they either took an additional step and stamped out a hole in the panel for the side windows, or they simply cut it out.   And then they installed a fixed piece of window glass held in with a rubber gasket (just like on rear doors or windshield).   And all this is muddled by home conversions turning them into estates by owners of Mini Vans by adding side windows. 

I searched the Interwebs for an example, but the closest I found was this - and I think this is a home-grown mashup.  But you get the idea. 

(http://automotoclassicsale.com/sites/default/files/ebay_141928784555_1.jpg)


Edit: Here's a better example.
(http://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/49/49336/austin-vehicles-1963-austin-minivan-2773946.jpg)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 05, 2018, 10:06:45 PM
The other thing is the floor was different on the vans, and no provision for the rear seat. I think the vans used the same floor as the pickups.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 07, 2018, 08:30:48 AM
Most of the NZ Estates i have seen have had the one piece glass in them not sliding windows like the one for sale.
I imagine as they were sent there a CKD kits to use local hardware as much as possible for the build they probably all went there as Vans to save on taxes, pretty much the same as the UK buyers did to save the purchase tax.
I never understood it as by the time you purchased a seat and windows you would have been close if not past the tax savings along with no interior like an Estate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on December 10, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
BMC and Leyland made a wood load floor van for export only. It was a van but the steel load floor was replaced with something like the estate rear floor pressing, it was unique to the wood load floor van though. In countries with high tariffs on personal vehicles these could be imported at the commercial vehicle rates and converted at the time of sale depending on the local laws. BMC could also supply a rear seat kit that looks a lot like the one in the BAT ad, not identical since this one doesn't have the folded steel rests for the back of the seat. The side windows appear to be left up to the dealer or new owner. The quickest way to identify a modified wood load floor van is by the wide rail under the rear (side) windows but the lack of a vertical support that would run through the middle of the rear (side) windows.
Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 10, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 03, 2018, 12:35:39 PM


My wild ass guess, here on the first day of this auction, is this car will struggle to break into the low $20Ks.



Bingo.  Bid to $20,100 and RNM.   

Goes to show that no one is going to pay crazy prices for a Mk. I Cooper S that is so far away from being original — and is undocumented at that.   

They could've spent $5000-$7500 to rectify many of those things bringing closer or original and reaped much more in a winning bid.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 10, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
I think the only reason it got that high was because he found the body number and it matched the vin number making it a true S, well as true as you can get 51 years later ;)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 10, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 05, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 05, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
Now a 1967 Austin Mini Woodie on BaT with some i am guessing NZ sourced sliding windows in the rear, looks in good shape but mainly a paint job with some fresh wood and a bit of an interior freshen up, the 850 engine looks and by the compression figures is tired along with multiple oil leaks.

Yeah, those rear side windows are weird.  And unecessary?  Normally the wood would be holding the glass in place.  To my eyes this looks a steel-body wagon from NZ - which are pretty much just Vans with rear windows cut in the sheetmetal, that has had a custom wood kit installed, and they had to work the wood around the windows.


Here's the link:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-2/

And a photo.
(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1967_austin_mini_countryman_15436207030a17a20181114_154812-620x445.jpg)

This ones not getting much love at around $6k the last time i looked, might be another rnm auction.
Ditch the 850 for at least a 998 and install the UK spec sliders in the rear along with the discs and 10's already there it would be a nice woody.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 10, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 10, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 10, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.

Yeah with no reserve it kind of changes the dynamic and brings out the bargain hunter in bidders. 

My guess, with only a tired 850 under the bonnet, but with a rare and apparently rust-free body that presents well, is this woody will go into the mid-teens. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2018, 06:47:44 AM
Another Mk. I Cooper S has shown up on BaT.   

The photos taken on a partly sunny side street don't do it justice at all.  Is it really that difficult to take the time and produce some decent photos?   

But photos aside, this car is much closer to an original-looking car than the recent green Cooper S, and it is really going to attract more bidders and a lot higher price because of that.   No goofy Union Jack roof, no stilly fog lights, no plastic wheel arch trim, and so on.  It's just one day in the auction and it's already up to $12K.   

The seller has provided a Heritage Certificate, but no photos of the underside of the car so far.  Those photos will surely be demanded, so why not start the auction with them?  It's like every new seller is totallly clueless and has not paid any attention at all to previous Mini auctions on BaT!   There should also be some walk-around and driving videos too. That's the bare minimum when trying to sell a car on BaT. 

The interior is not original, the paint has been redone, and the suspension is now by springs.  But all those non-original things will be easily overlooked because this is a genuine Mk. I Cooper S and it looks the part.  I predict that bids will easily go into the mid $30K's, or even higher. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_15444765731e1f8cbe183b9DSC00419-620x434.jpg)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
The last "good" one went RNM at $36K, didn't it?

There definitely seems to be a pattern where Mk1 Cooper S is concerned, has to have this that and the other, but none of this and that......kinda flies in the face of what the Mini has always been - something that everyone made "their own" with mods.

I agree about the proper pics, especially of the typical problem areas, and a driving vid just adds to the excitement of possibly owning the car. If you can't be there to drive it, at least hear it run and see it go.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 11, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 10, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.

Just noticed that Michael and came back to correct it but you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2018, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 10, 2018, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on December 10, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
Actually, the NZ Woody is a "No Reserve" auction.  It will go to a new home whatever the bidding gets up to.

Yeah with no reserve it kind of changes the dynamic and brings out the bargain hunter in bidders. 

My guess, with only a tired 850 under the bonnet, but with a rare and apparently rust-free body that presents well, is this woody will go into the mid-teens.

And I'm on a roll!    4.gif

This No Reserve auction went to $15,250 to sell the car.   I think the buyer good a pretty good deal. Although it is not a typical Woody Mini, it's still a nice one. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 13, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
You guys know who Ant Hines is, aside for being the seller of the red S on BaT currently?  Mr. Hines is a movie writer/producer, nominated for an Oscar and Emmys and a Mini freak.  But get this;  his brother is the owner of Somerford Mini in the UK.  I doubt this is the only Mini Ant has in his stable... 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
Bring a Trailer now has a Moke on auction.

The two-tone green and white color is a bit unusual.   My wild-ass guess is this one, being a small-wheel Mk. I English Moke with its original 850, will appeal to someone looking for a Moke that is kinda somewhat close to original, and will be bid up to the late teens.  The green is a wrap so it can be returned to all white fairly easily (even though it started life as a green Moke).

What do you guys think?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-3/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1967_austin_mini_moke_154360824598764da2.1-940x705.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 13, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Looks really odd with the white underneath. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 13, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
It might appear enough to some to make it to upper teens, maybe even to mid/low 20's.  It has a bunch of non-standard trim approaches: blacked out light surrounds on headlights, front turn signals and all the rear tail lights; the top is not correct as it has no rear window section and the rear hoop has been modified to add a support brace to keep it upright; the two-tone paint/wrap scheme will detract considerably; the inside of the side cubbies has been painted black; underside painted all black; partially incorrect stamping of the engine number tag.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Tim on December 13, 2018, 06:16:46 PM
The green and white is actually a combo that Austin/Morris used for one of the first 'Auto Show's' that the Moke was displayed at (Earls Court perhaps).  That Moke was white on all the top side metal (hood, wings, tops of the sides) and then green along the sides.  The subframes were also painted in white.  D0E 905C was the plate on that car.  When I saw this picture, I thought it looked very similar to that early one but with reversed colours.  It's obviously not the same car, but does have an historic look to it.  That said, I think my Moke will be painted in a single colour.  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on December 13, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
You guys know who Ant Hines is, aside for being the seller of the red S on BaT currently?  Mr. Hines is a movie writer/producer, nominated for an Oscar and Emmys and a Mini freak.  But get this;  his brother is the owner of Somerford Mini in the UK.  I doubt this is the only Mini Ant has in his stable...

Cool! A Mini with a Hollywood connection.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 17, 2018, 07:01:59 AM
Quote from: BruceK on December 13, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: velopackrat on December 13, 2018, 12:35:39 PM
You guys know who Ant Hines is, aside for being the seller of the red S on BaT currently?  Mr. Hines is a movie writer/producer, nominated for an Oscar and Emmys and a Mini freak.  But get this;  his brother is the owner of Somerford Mini in the UK.  I doubt this is the only Mini Ant has in his stable...

Cool! A Mini with a Hollywood connection.


Wait.  Wait a minuite.   This guy is associated with movie production and he shoots all his videos for the auction in PORTRAIT mode? 

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/400/178/750.jpg)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on December 17, 2018, 08:27:34 AM
As I've said before, you could offer your services as a consultant to Mini sellers and they would be wise to pay your fee:)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 17, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
Remove the wrap and it has a zebra stripe paint job on it (see meb's Jalopnik link) so will need a complete outer paint job at least to bring it back somewhat to stock. Still looks for the most part o be rust free judging by the floors at least.

The red S looks like a patchwork quilt floor job from underneath and with the vin plate and possibly the body number being repo's i am guessing will not reach it's true potential but still a decent driver level car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 17, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 11, 2018, 06:47:44 AM

...I predict that bids will easily go into the mid $30K's, or even higher. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/


Close, but not quite.  This Mk. I Mini Cooper S was bid to $30,500 and promptly went Reserve Not Met.   


Was the Seller dreaming of really big bucks for this car?   He'll have to keep dreaming because as details were pointed out during the auction, this car deviates enough from original to not command a crazy kind of money.   


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 17, 2018, 04:59:38 PM
I think because a few went for such silly money that now everyone is thinking theirs should go for high amounts as well?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 20, 2018, 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 13, 2018, 02:30:18 PM

My wild-ass guess is this one, being a small-wheel Mk. I English Moke with its original 850, will appeal to someone looking for a Moke that is kinda somewhat close to original, and will be bid up to the late teens. 


It was right there, with a lot of last minute bidding, it just got to $20,000.    And it went Reserve Not Met.   


Seems like lately Minis are being presented on BaT, but they are not being sold there.   Hmmm...  perhaps BaT should re-think the reserves they allow to be set.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 20, 2018, 09:13:19 PM
Maybe the bloom is off the rose?

Stupid money has all been spent?

People need to rethink stupid reserves and unrealistic expectations?

I dunno.......

The Red S was reserved at $36,500.

The seller thought it was underpriced and more than worth that amount.

I just noticed the Moke has the same wheels as our Innocenti.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Pretty little 850 wagon on BaT now.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/)

One of the Mini groups on Facebook posits that Mini values will be going up this year because of the 60th anniversary...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
And now a nice 1275 Mk1 out of Armadillo Texas......bid already up to $10K on the first day!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on January 24, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
Boom, up to $15K.  The anoraks are about to go nuts due to all the unanswered questions from the pics.  Never mind they have zero intention on bidding.  It's their JOB to find fault, even though the seller hasn't made any outlandish claims.  What's our over/under on it being a legit S, aside from the mods?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 24, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
Problem is, even if it started as a legit S.  Engine block/head orig?  Hydro suspension is gone.  Fronts been cut and not properly braced...  these are just in the first 10 comments.  So it's in no way shape or form worth what the OG ones have been selling for.  By the end this will probably all come out and it'll just be another RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 24, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
Got a Sprite or AA head on it, not Cooper S despite the 11 bolts.....I think it's a regular Cooper, but with a fiberglass flip front it's already reached what it should bring IMHO. If it hits $20K I'll be surprised.....still, it is a nice little Mk1, and worth owning if the price doesn't get stupid. All the hard work has been done, this one is ready to just drive and enjoy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 25, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
And yet another Mini on sale this week - this one purports to be an actual 66 Cooper S

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw)

This one has some issues to me - for one all the different body panels don't match each other. And why on a car presumed to sell for $30 large or more wouldn't they replace the carpets when they did the rest of the interior, or at least before the sale? The grey carpet has faded to green!

Another problem is the 200 miles driven in 30 something years - given the experience I'm having with the Inno, this can't be a good thing!

As to the few non-original things like the color, I'm not sure that's a problem but it might keep it from hitting the big numbers.

There's a pristine original 71 Cooper S for sale in England for £35K, while not a Mk1 it is a low mile completely original of the last S models made.....just for comparison's sake.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 28, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 22, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Pretty little 850 wagon on BaT now.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/)

One of the Mini groups on Facebook posits that Mini values will be going up this year because of the 60th anniversary...

I don't think this woody will meet reserve at $6,900 right now. Six days in and no interaction from the owner who claims it was maybe re painted by a previous owner with filler in the tops of replaced wings, both floors look to be replaced and the heel board patched with the fresh welds showing and no paint on them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 28, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 23, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
And now a nice 1275 Mk1 out of Armadillo Texas......bid already up to $10K on the first day!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/)

I like this driver level Cooper and most of the modifications except that awful flip front as it kills it imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 28, 2019, 12:15:47 PM
Not a fan of flip fronts either.  Having to build the 66 S with one hasn't been my favorite thing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 28, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 22, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Pretty little 850 wagon on BaT now.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-2/)

One of the Mini groups on Facebook posits that Mini values will be going up this year because of the 60th anniversary...

I don't think this woody will meet reserve at $6,900 right now. Six days in and no interaction from the owner ....



I seriously don't understand people who pretend they want to sell a car but when it comes down to it, they don't want to sell a car.   


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
Yeah, it's for sale for $18,900 on Ebay so at this rate he'll own it for a while. Pity, it looks like a decent little car but clearly he has no idea how to market it.

You notice MiniGuy is high bidder on both this and the burgundy Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 03:58:59 PM
And there's a 3rd Mini on BaT now that does not appear to have been mentioned previously, a Mk. I Cooper S that is far from original.  But it is an S...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/5c477b17de3cf_austin_mini_cooper_s_15473188770a0ca5fa6c5966-Cooper-S-36-940x653.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 25, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
And yet another Mini on sale this week - this one purports to be an actual 66 Cooper S

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw)

This one has some issues to me - for one all the different body panels don't match each other. And why on a car presumed to sell for $30 large or more wouldn't they replace the carpets when they did the rest of the interior, or at least before the sale? The grey carpet has faded to green!

Another problem is the 200 miles driven in 30 something years - given the experience I'm having with the Inno, this can't be a good thing!

As to the few non-original things like the color, I'm not sure that's a problem but it might keep it from hitting the big numbers.

There's a pristine original 71 Cooper S for sale in England for £35K, while not a Mk1 it is a low mile completely original of the last S models made.....just for comparison's sake.

You  missed my post....

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
You notice MiniGuy is high bidder on both this and the burgundy Cooper S.

Geez, he has 109 bids under his belt and he's not won a single car, or even seriously been in the running to win one.   Hmmmmm...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 25, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
And yet another Mini on sale this week - this one purports to be an actual 66 Cooper S

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-3/?fbclid=IwAR2210AhzDvcviU3X8aGb-X0YuZLbvNdnk8Dp2Wl27kBNLYhuLFUggizAXw)

This one has some issues to me - for one all the different body panels don't match each other. And why on a car presumed to sell for $30 large or more wouldn't they replace the carpets when they did the rest of the interior, or at least before the sale? The grey carpet has faded to green!

Another problem is the 200 miles driven in 30 something years - given the experience I'm having with the Inno, this can't be a good thing!

As to the few non-original things like the color, I'm not sure that's a problem but it might keep it from hitting the big numbers.

There's a pristine original 71 Cooper S for sale in England for £35K, while not a Mk1 it is a low mile completely original of the last S models made.....just for comparison's sake.

You  missed my post....

Dang!  Sorry for double posting that car.  I'm out of practice.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on January 28, 2019, 08:28:21 PM
Yea, lets watch the surplus posts  ;D.  Love you man!  Got 2 months to plan out things to occupy that free time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
You notice MiniGuy is high bidder on both this and the burgundy Cooper S.

Geez, he has 109 bids under his belt and he's not won a single car, or even seriously been in the running to win one.   Hmmmmm...

Maybe marketing ?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: Whee on January 28, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
I don't like the look of flip fronts and I always worry they are not braced properly, but I'd think they were real convenient for working on the car. Care to share why that's not so? (Never actually owned one)

As a lot of work on a Mini is done from the front i can't see why a flip forward front is of any benefit unless you completely remove it, now a Minitec type kit that hinges from the rear and flips up is a different story but most i have seen do not fit well and leave scratches and rub marks.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
Funny the white Mini Cooper and the burgandy Cooper S are both doing bids of $15250 right now, i would think that is enough for the white one myself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on January 29, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 29, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: BruceK on January 28, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 28, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
You notice MiniGuy is high bidder on both this and the burgundy Cooper S.

Geez, he has 109 bids under his belt and he's not won a single car, or even seriously been in the running to win one.   Hmmmmm...

Maybe marketing ?

I think you'll find that Miniguy isn't in the market to buy, but rather to run the price up.  He makes money as a broker of Minis and when any Mini sells for a high amount he can use that data to justify advertising Minis at a premium price on his website.  I guess you could call it marketing.  Some would call it shill bidding.  Obviously, BAT doesn't have a problem with it.  Now, it's unclear as to how much they pay attention to bidders on their auctions and whether a bidder gets onto every Mini auction but stops short of winning.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
He's been called on this a number of times, and they seem to turn a blind eye.....I guess there's no way to prove whether he's a "real" buyer or not. I find he usually stops well short of the final bids.

But then, I guess all early bids are shill bids, like the guys who bid the year of the car when they know it will top out 20 or 30K higher than that - or more.

One thing I've found really interesting are the invoices from Jet Motors and a couple other places - they are charging some serious money for both parts and labor to work on these cars - serious!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2019, 05:52:38 PM
Wow.......so I assume it's a revin? At least it has a vin that matches the supposed year of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 29, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Whee on January 28, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
I don't like the look of flip fronts and I always worry they are not braced properly, but I'd think they were real convenient for working on the car. Care to share why that's not so? (Never actually owned one)

It takes away rigidity from the body and subframe.  Doesn't look clean. And really doesn't seem like it adds much convenience to me unless you take it the whole way off.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 29, 2019, 07:23:40 PM
Yeah, the MiniGuy's bidding is guerrilla marketing - but if the tables were turned I'm sure he would not be too welcoming if BaT were to push their auction services on his website.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2019, 11:14:06 PM
Probably a mid to late 80's car looking at the under bonnet pictures, not a 73 for sure.
Mini Woody was a RNM at $9k, the owner should have been more involved it may have dpne more but not the $18K plus he wants.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:01:21 AM
When I pointed out on BaT in the comments that the seller clearly didn't know how to market that wagon, he came back at me like I was nuts, the car would sell it self or something. All he talked about was the paint job, which I hadn't even referenced.....

He may own it for a good long while.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on January 30, 2019, 09:23:41 AM
Since this is a rather 'small' family of mini owners watchers .. I can share a cooper S that is going to be on BAT = Feb 9th listing.

Local owner and I refurbished the car from a barn / garage find few years ago =  Took ALL mechanical work ... and how he enjoyed the car for about 2 years... Now Jeff picked up  Lotus 7 =  another car needs to move out...

He is doing the right things for the BAT Crowd.. NICE  Artsy Pictures... Telling the story...  Top to bottom the car WORKS as advertised.. no shady hiding business.  Kept MOSTLY original.. Some parts are replaced just to keep operational . but MANY parts come with that were taken off.

It will be a cool 'local' sale, I have no Hand in the sale = just watching a car move along...

  Definitely not a garage queen = Jeff drove this car 600+ Miles to CMU Last April (even got a speeding ticket on that trip in it)  +   400 Miles to Hilton Head Course this fall!  He is our local mini Distance driver award winner this past year 2018!


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I remember your build thread on this car......what do you think he'll expect to get out of the sale $$$ wise?

An involved, motivated seller and a good story and pics should give it a leg up on most all the other listings.....look forward to it! I'm sure we in the community can give it a positive spin too   77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 30, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I remember your build thread on this car......what do you think he'll expect to get out of the sale $$$ wise?

An involved, motivated seller and a good story and pics should give it a leg up on most all the other listings.....look forward to it! I'm sure we in the community can give it a positive spin too   77.gif

Yes the seller of the woody Estate did not even introduce himself or answer questions which when looking at a car sight unseen is a good way to get to RNM which is exactly what happened. He would be better off listing it with a dealer and letting them handle the sale for him.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 30, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: jedduh01 on January 30, 2019, 09:23:41 AM
Since this is a rather 'small' family of mini owners watchers .. I can share a cooper S that is going to be on BAT = Feb 9th listing.

Local owner and I refurbished the car from a barn / garage find few years ago =  Took ALL mechanical work ... and how he enjoyed the car for about 2 years... Now Jeff picked up  Lotus 7 =  another car needs to move out...

He is doing the right things for the BAT Crowd.. NICE  Artsy Pictures... Telling the story...  Top to bottom the car WORKS as advertised.. no shady hiding business.  Kept MOSTLY original.. Some parts are replaced just to keep operational . but MANY parts come with that were taken off.
It will be a cool 'local' sale, I have no Hand in the sale = just watching a car move along...

  Definitely not a garage queen = Jeff drove this car 600+ Miles to CMU Last April (even got a speeding ticket on that trip in it)  +   400 Miles to Hilton Head Course this fall!  He is our local mini Distance driver award winner this past year 2018!

I also remember the re fresh you did on this car, nice to see he drives it.
Originality nowadays sells he should do well with it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 30, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I remember your build thread on this car......what do you think he'll expect to get out of the sale $$$ wise?

An involved, motivated seller and a good story and pics should give it a leg up on most all the other listings.....look forward to it! I'm sure we in the community can give it a positive spin too   77.gif

Yes the seller of the woody Estate did not even introduce himself or answer questions which when looking at a car sight unseen is a good way to get to RNM which is exactly what happened. He would be better off listing it with a dealer and letting them handle the sale for him.

A dealer like MiniGuy?   :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 30, 2019, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 30, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I remember your build thread on this car......what do you think he'll expect to get out of the sale $$$ wise?

An involved, motivated seller and a good story and pics should give it a leg up on most all the other listings.....look forward to it! I'm sure we in the community can give it a positive spin too   77.gif

Yes the seller of the woody Estate did not even introduce himself or answer questions which when looking at a car sight unseen is a good way to get to RNM which is exactly what happened. He would be better off listing it with a dealer and letting them handle the sale for him.

A dealer like MiniGuy?   :D

MiniGuy no longer has a dealers license.
Maybe a dealer with a license and bond so if something does go wrong you have some recourse.

The white flip front Mini Cooper with mods just sold for $15750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
I think that was a reasonable price for that car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 30, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 30, 2019, 09:01:21 AM
When I pointed out on BaT in the comments that the seller clearly didn't know how to market that wagon, he came back at me like I was nuts, the car would sell it self or something. All he talked about was the paint job, which I hadn't even referenced.....

He may own it for a good long while.....
Thin-skinned and clueless is a recipe for a non-sale.

It's one thing to be clueless the first time someone visits BaT, but it doesn't take a lot of observational skills to quickly pickup how the site works and the culture that has developed there.  It sure isn't Craigslist and a Seller must be engaged, knowledgable about his car and the marque, have a sense of humor, and even tolerate the odd comment from the peanut gallery.  The payoff is the car is crowd-vetted right before everyone's eyes, with all the flaws as well as all the benefits illuminated for all to see and comment on.   A sharp, engaged Seller can really move the process along, usually favorably.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 31, 2019, 01:45:55 PM
The burgandy S was RNM at $25k which i thought it would have sold for that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 01, 2019, 11:00:53 AM
Another actual Cooper S MKI on BaT this morning, it will be interesting to see how this one fares, and sets the market for the one Jedduh's friend will have on there in a few weeks (Feb 9 I think he said)

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-4/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-4/)

This one is in traditional resale red/white, and while it looks fairly finished, I would put the quality standard at about home garage workshop level. Curious to see where it ends up $$$ wise.....

Edit: Whew! lots of discussion about the provenence on this car - opinion seems to be that it is a much earlier shell with later model mechanicals. Interesting, because while it has the right vin tag for the year it purports to be and a Heritage Cert to back that up, the body is clearly NOT what it says it is. Some sharp eyes and experienced folks on that one.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 08, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
That red Cooper S, with A LOT of discussion about what wasn't 'right' with it, sold for $21,300 on BaT.

Now there is another Mk. I Cooper S, unrestored, and nobody is faulting it for being non-original.  As things look now, this car is going to sell for BIG money.  Like north of $40K is my guess. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_154871433952efcfa866ec20190106-525a8119-1_46173481584_o-940x588.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 08, 2019, 12:19:21 PM
Yeah, I've heard the phrase "it is only original once", but technically speaking this car sure didn't leave Longbridge looking like this. 

Is this really what you want to drive around with your Mini looking like?

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1548714544ca7c52efcfa866ecimg_1262_46846282612_o.jpg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_15487145208fca7c52efcfa866ecimg_1259_39933481063_o.jpg)
(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_15487145262efcfa866ecimg_1260_46173422014_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 08, 2019, 12:33:48 PM
This is the car Jedduh and his friend brought back from the dead, there is a thread about it here on the forum. I'll be interested to see how it does too, but considering how they value originality on a MKI Cooper S (refer to the white one that didn't even run that brought $54K! or the one owner, low mile car that sold for $80K) this could do a big number too.

I'll be watching this one!

The car runs sweet and looks great underneath (great work, Jedduh!) but the gearbox seems noisy to me. And why the heck didn't he go ahead and fix the instruments? It's not expensive (under $200 for a speedo repair and calibration from Nisonger) and I think it would have added to the salability....leaving only cosmetics for the new owner if he so chose.

One last nit, a handheld camera is the wrong way to do a driving video, the camera moves all around and makes the car look worse as it bounds from bump to bump.

Also, do the turn signals work, or does he just not feel the need to use them?  ;D

You can buy that little green lens for the end of the turn signal stalk too......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 08, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
I guess I just need to warm up to the 'original' trend. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 08, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
I agree with you Bruce, but really all it will take is paint and an interior, the rest is done. Well, and the instruments....but I guess buyers would rather see it in it's original paint to know it hasn't had a lot of bondo work? Don't know why it's OK to rebuild the engine and trans but not paint it or fix the interior? I would rather have a fresh paint job (done well) and a fresh Newton Commercial interior.

BTW - our forum member Jeff10049 has a friend who makes replacement binnacles - correct grain and everything, only made out of much better material that won't turn brittle and break. Not expensive either, IIRC.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on February 08, 2019, 01:20:43 PM
Solid reviews of a solid product!
   
The In Car video is a bit  'loud'  and I take it just from camera / mic takings..   The trans got nearly every bearing + Syncs installed ...  Its as fresh as new inside.  Jeff even drove the car to CMU this past April  Charlotte to Bristol Tn round trip plus the Hilton head adventure
 
Signals DO work.. Just in NC you dont need to know where im turnin...  :)
     Little green end flash = Keep it original was Jeff' motto.  A NOS  would be nice to find but if i remember correctly  the threads even have descentegraded from the stalk. not giving much for a new 'green end' to screw into.

The instruments.. we toiled over that one for a while while bringing it back to life.. The binnacle isnt the only hurdle.. the two side dash inserts are hard as rocks.. Seriously SOLID / suck in place in the dash.. We picked and prodded but could not see any way to remove those without hurting their condition. It was a choice of dead speedo or a choice of hurting the original dash cards.
  We tried sending oil into the oil pressure gauge too + with compressed air to try to free it up too... no luck. and if i remember = the Speedo is locked up=  so it sheared the cable inside.  we tried wiggling it + oiling it but there only so much success there too.

This lead to a secondary oill pressure gauge under the dash shelf for a monitor.   



Engine has run now on Brad Penn 20W50 since moment one (after break in)

This car also taught me to Hate Hydrolastic!  YUCK

Pic of when he brought it home 2016 - Flat Shell and Boxes of parts.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 08, 2019, 02:47:59 PM
The biggest issue with the red one that just sold was the shell.  So if you could source a 66 shell and swap the bits to it you could possibly double your money.  Or maybe the buyer didn't care it was an all OG S and got a good deal on a sorted mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 08, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
Knowing when to say when on a resto is always tough, Dan and I are wrestling with it on the Inno too.....so I see your point.

Jedduh, what's your guess where this car will end up $$$ wise?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on February 08, 2019, 07:09:00 PM
I think the concern of trying to fix the gauges on Jeff's car (binnacle/brittle) is not about the white binnacle, but probably more about the very thin, very brittle, original black plastic oval binnacle/cover that is held on to the metal backplate with the 4 little screws.  AFAIK, no one reproduces this unit and often the heat and sun have made the originals like a hand grenade with the pin on the edge of being pulled.  They crack and break at the slightest tug.  Not sure I would have attempted to try it either, unless I had a good backup.  Anyway, I think if he had fixed the gauges it really wouldn't matter in the end on his auction.  This Cooper S is gonna go for big bucks and will go to someone who is more concerned that he's getting what is right and not being deceived.  I expect it to hit 50 large!  It's just that good!  I just looked back at the Red one and all the comments (that were not deleted) and really hate that I missed out on that horse-beating.  I have owned far too many Minis to count over the past 40 years, pretty much wide spectrum of models/years.  As a former General Secretary of the UK Mini Cooper Register, and my OCD on Minis, that Red car wouldn't pass muster for that Club, which is (in my opinion) the ultimate authority of Cooper and Cooper S.  The Red car had an early 61 shell, PERIOD!  Late 61 shells, and all 997 Coopers had the factory cutout in the bulkhead for the fresh air heater hose, as well as captivated nuts in the upper portion of the B pillar for seat belt mounting.  That car had neither.  Yes, it was probably a good driver and didn't look bad, at least to a non-purist, but the little bits and bobs that were wrong would have sent me running.  Anyway, Jeff's car is excellent in my opinion, even with the scratches and faded paint.  At least you can see what you are buying and there is no deception.  I love the Island Blue/OEW combination, and especially the Cumulus Grey seats, with the Cumulus Grey/Gold Brocade inserts.  These seats were only ever in IB/OEW cars.  Much harder to find or replicate than say, Tartan Red with Cumulus Grey/Gold Brocade.  Probably, second in rarity among the interiors.  Of course the most rare Super Deluxe and Cooper interior combo is the Powder Blue with Cumulus Grey/Silver Brocade.  This scheme was only available on the 61 & 62 model year Surf Blue or Fiesta Yellow cars.  Damn hard to find those seats, etc.  Fortunately my original 62 997 (now my son's) had a perfect original back seat, and Vikram's car had a useable set of front seats with the Silver Brocade.  Of course, one of my greatest "Rocking-Horse Poo" finds was a complete ROLL of NOS Silver Brocade while I was living the UK.  Most of that material is now sewn into new seats for my son's car.  Sorry to ramble.  Good luck with the auction Jeff!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 08, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
The thin black plastic binnacle "covers" are reproduced. Not sure by who, but I think I have purchased them from both Somerford and Seven.
I love that color combo as well and would be happy to drive it as is.
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 08, 2019, 07:40:36 PM
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff10049's buddy makes too.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 08, 2019, 08:55:56 PM
Yes, they make three components for the Mini:
https://rhinofabrication.com/product-category/mini-cooper/ (https://rhinofabrication.com/product-category/mini-cooper/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 09, 2019, 03:58:12 PM
If i were in the market for an S this is one i would be willing to pay the big money for. From my perspective all the grunt mechanical work is done the rest (interior and paint) is an easier much quicker option and will not have the car sitting for months.
I don't know how much of the original paint is still on the car but it is not a rust bucket and that as we all know is where you seem to spend the big bucks and time.
Jedduh. Nice work on the underside and mechanics and keeping it looking as original as possible.
There is no doubt this car will do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 09, 2019, 04:09:25 PM
Is the build thread for the blue car still on this forum? I cannot seem to find it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on February 09, 2019, 05:23:59 PM
Here is the build thread:

http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?topic=1198.0 (http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?topic=1198.0)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 10, 2019, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: BruceK on February 08, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
That red Cooper S, with A LOT of discussion about what wasn't 'right' with it, sold for $21,300 on BaT.

Now there is another Mk. I Cooper S, unrestored, and nobody is faulting it for being non-original.  As things look now, this car is going to sell for BIG money.  Like north of $40K is my guess. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/

Geez, it's up to $30K already with 5 days still left in the auction. And as more bids come in this will really get rolling I think.   This could set a new BaT record for a Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 10, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Yeah, Godspeed took it up in a pretty good jump, more than $10K?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on February 11, 2019, 06:47:45 AM
  Its been a Great weekend watching this, and rest of the week to go and the comments Humbling too!  Jeff had it out at a local Brits and Brews drive up meet this past Saturday and everyone was ready to get home and take a look online. Cant say they were 'buyers' but the Press for the car has been great.

   I have to say Jeff was a great 'Customer' as he understood the devil is in the details. He wanted the resto items to be correct but also the fact that modern items SHOULD be replaced on it to make it a useable driver.  ( Stainless brake hoses, or New Oil cooler hoses as the originals weeped )  in the end the original parts are still there but Perished in age related ways.

One fun detail= when getting going again = first time we put power to the battery = The first sign of life was that Dome Light worked from moment one!  Door switches and all. Ready to light the way.

Ive known Jeffs' buy it now price.. sort of the, I dont want to sell it but if you gave me $$ price has been $50K... I used to baffle at if that was achievable. But now clearly the right venue + Auction + Views + that LOOKS to be the case... 

Kudos to Jeff  and the BAT Banter!

Thanks for the support.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: velopackrat on February 11, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
Justin,

Great for Jeff and you too, as the aggressive bidding proves you guys made great decisions on rehabbing that Mini.  It makes me feel good too because if you recall, my scruffy loaner hydro pump gave it life:)  Now Craig owns the well-travelled pump for his dad's S, so what goes around comes around.

Good luck to Jeff and you too.  Let's see that thing go to $80K:)

CW in TX

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on February 12, 2019, 10:02:45 AM
Quote from: velopackrat on February 11, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
Justin,

Great for Jeff and you too, as the aggressive bidding proves you guys made great decisions on rehabbing that Mini.  It makes me feel good too because if you recall, my scruffy loaner hydro pump gave it life:)  Now Craig owns the well-travelled pump for his dad's S, so what goes around comes around.

Good luck to Jeff and you too.  Let's see that thing go to $80K:)

CW in TX


Chris ,  Absolutely!   Thank you for the Kudos! 
          Was fun watching your car Sell on BAT too as it was well sorted with details.

  I also pointed Craig in your direction for that trusty Hydro Pump. I was on the fence for owning it myself, But knowing Craig has his Families Cooper S to get back going... He's better suited to own it.

  Easy enough because the hydro pump is now  "Local" and we stay in contact too!     Craigs Cooper S Now runs, its also a 'survivor ' also has a few period mods.  Being a family car doubtful it would ever be resold.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 15, 2019, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 10, 2019, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: BruceK on February 08, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
That red Cooper S, with A LOT of discussion about what wasn't 'right' with it, sold for $21,300 on BaT.

Now there is another Mk. I Cooper S, unrestored, and nobody is faulting it for being non-original.  As things look now, this car is going to sell for BIG money.  Like north of $40K is my guess. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/

Geez, it's up to $30K already with 5 days still left in the auction. And as more bids come in this will really get rolling I think.   This could set a new BaT record for a Mini.

Well, not a new BaT record for a Mini, but a pretty darn good showing anyway.  This Mk. I Cooper S just sold for $48,250.     And very much worth it. 

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 15, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
Well done Jedduh and Jeff. I missed the action at the end, I was down in the shop working.....good result tho!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 15, 2019, 04:44:01 PM
You didn't miss much action.  Went pretty quick.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 25, 2019, 08:00:48 PM
Here is a race version:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-8/

Be interesting to see what it does. I am prejudiced as I know the driver and have been taking pictures of it for a few years:
http://www.tmsmini.com/Nick_Martin_Photos/

I collected a few for him to use in one place.
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 26, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
Great pictures.
Personally i would rather own an S like this with it's scars etc and make it street legal of course.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 04, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
Someone has been slacking off here.  I blame me. 

A BaT auction for a Mk. I Cooper S racecar has just ended with Reserve Not Met

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-8/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1550244221ebd598f3c19mini-120-sears-2-940x693.png)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 04, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
And another Mini is currently being auctioned on BaT.

This is a highly modified, street-legal Mini 30 with a supercharged engine that is reported to put out 155 bhp (cough, cough). 

In the style of old Fiat Abarths that ran with their rear hoods open, this car's bonnet sticks up to clear the supercharger.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-mini-30le/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/5c7713364a456_mini_30le_15502725989f98764daP1020164-2-940x716.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 04, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 04, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
Someone has been slacking off here.  I blame me. 

A BaT auction for a Mk. I Cooper S racecar has just ended with Reserve Not Met

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-8/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1550244221ebd598f3c19mini-120-sears-2-940x693.png)

$20K for a race car and didn't sell?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on March 05, 2019, 04:24:38 PM
The high bidder and the seller may be working something out on the race car.
There were a lot spares to go with it.
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 06, 2019, 01:52:19 PM
Over at BaT, there's an intestesting comment on the auction for the modified Mini 30.

Looks like someone else has noticed MiniGuy's many, many, many swings at bat (pun intended!) without ever getting close to hitting the ball.

Quote
skylerskyler  60
Hi MiniGuy – I was studying my competition for this thing, and looked up your profile. After doing so, I'm rooting for you to win this auction... after being a member of BaT for 12+ years, and having bid on 113 lots with zero (0) auctions won...it's about time!!! Let's go, boy!

Ouch!!


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 06, 2019, 02:02:46 PM
Yeah, others have commented too, but BaT doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything about him. At least he's stopped advertising his business.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 06, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
The supercharged Mini just sold for $15,500.   I thought it would go higher, but a car with that many modifications is not to everyone's taste.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 06, 2019, 05:22:32 PM
Wow, first I'm surprised he let it go for that, second - that was a lot of car for that much money. The chassis looked solid although with the body kit you couldn't see if it had oversills....but there was a lot of expensive stuff on that car!

Somebody got one heck of a fun car for a very reasonable price.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 06, 2019, 06:10:50 PM
HP and torque figures if to be believed were impressive as they were in the mid 150's.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 06, 2019, 07:02:05 PM
yeah I don't know if I buy that.....most of them take the HP to about 90, with the extra head work, pistons etc maybe 120-125. But without an intercooler, I don't think you can get to 150. But hey, what do I know?

Still, I think it was a great buy!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 07, 2019, 10:35:06 AM
Well it was running methane injection which has since been removed so maybe those were before figures. TBH watching the driving video it did not seem like a Mini with those hp figures.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 07, 2019, 11:27:01 AM
That was my thinking too, the driving video didn't seem to back up his numbers - but the methane injection makes sense - that or nitrous!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Vikram on March 07, 2019, 11:28:47 AM
I'm surprised it went for so much. I didn't think the body kit did it favours, but obviously some liked it.

Guess these cars are climbing nicely in value
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 14, 2019, 06:03:36 PM
Another little green wagon....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 14, 2019, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 14, 2019, 06:03:36 PM
Another little green wagon....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/)

Hmm.  Body work and painting done on it.  That means somebody had the great opportunity at that time to make the roof not black and they didn't act in the best interest of the car.   The wheels could also very much benefit from being not gold.

Also not a fan of the missing rear seat.  They are so simple in the wagons you could probably just build one from scratch.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 14, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
That one used to be on the MiniGuy site a while back - asking price then was about $12K.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 15, 2019, 02:54:44 PM
Thought i remembered it from somewhere, the black roof stuck in my memory.
At least the dirty welding work is done to what looks like a good standard and along with the new wood, the 1275 and S discs are all a plus.
BTW it looks like Michael Lewis/Mini Guy is bidding on this.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 15, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Imagine that!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 15, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 15, 2019, 02:54:44 PM
BTW it looks like Michael Lewis/Mini Guy is bidding on this.

Not to be unkind, but based upon the MiniGuy bidding history results on the other 114 auctions so far I don't predict a win.  But who knows?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 21, 2019, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 14, 2019, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 14, 2019, 06:03:36 PM
Another little green wagon....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/)

Hmm.  Body work and painting done on it.  That means somebody had the great opportunity at that time to make the roof not black and they didn't act in the best interest of the car.   The wheels could also very much benefit from being not gold.

Also not a fan of the missing rear seat.  They are so simple in the wagons you could probably just build one from scratch.

This Traveller was bid to only $10,250 where it did not sell.  Numerous mentions of the black roof and gold wheels hurting interest.  I guess some could not see beyond that.

And MiniGuy's bid to win ratio is now 114 auctions to 0 wins. Ouch. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 26, 2019, 06:06:51 PM
A Mini has just popped up on BaT.   I think the comments on this one will be interesting.

Question: What if you had one semester of wood shop in 10th grade and later in life you decided to build yourself a Mini dashboard?  I think this car has that answer!   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-austin-1000/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1971_mini_austin_1000_1553376661592982D5D3090D-04E0-4136-8F54-27FA68A1CA36-e1553623924705-940x628.jpeg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1971_mini_austin_1000_155328222360dec12adash-620x499.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 26, 2019, 06:22:42 PM
Wow.


Just wow..............
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 27, 2019, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 21, 2019, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 14, 2019, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 14, 2019, 06:03:36 PM
Another little green wagon....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-traveller/)

Hmm.  Body work and painting done on it.  That means somebody had the great opportunity at that time to make the roof not black and they didn't act in the best interest of the car.   The wheels could also very much benefit from being not gold.

Also not a fan of the missing rear seat.  They are so simple in the wagons you could probably just build one from scratch.

This Traveller was bid to only $10,250 where it did not sell.  Numerous mentions of the black roof and gold wheels hurting interest.  I guess some could not see beyond that.

And MiniGuy's bid to win ratio is now 114 auctions to 0 wins. Ouch.

This one just popped up on Mini Mania's classifieds with an asking price of $18500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 27, 2019, 11:12:48 AM
Well I thought the $10,250 bid was seriously under what it should sell for despite the black roof and gold wheels....so I'm not surprised to see it on MM for a higher price.

I think he was also the victim of his own lack of efforts - he pretty much stayed out of it till the end, but what can you do really? The car is what it is......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 27, 2019, 04:12:32 PM
Yes it was noted as being listed as a Morris Traveller with no mention of Mini in the title.
Along with the black roof and gold Cosmics the lack of a rear seat did not help. One thing that the car had and i hate to see on any Mini is the front under headlamp wing to front panel seams filled or any seams filled to be honest as they are there for a reason that front end flexes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
With just two days left ago, the mini with the stripes and custom plywood dashboard is not getting very much love on BaT. It's at $4100 now and comments seem to have really tailed off too.   

My wild ass guess is it will be bid to about $10K-$11K and go reserve not met. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
You know, it's a decent car....but decent cars are only bringing average money - you need something unique (and good looking! ) or with a good story.....and the stripes and dash sure hurt this one......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 02, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 31, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
With just two days left ago, the mini with the stripes and custom plywood dashboard is not getting very much love on BaT. It's at $4100 now and comments seem to have really tailed off too.   

My wild ass guess is it will be bid to about $10K-$11K and go reserve not met.

Well no love on this one is right it closed at a paltry $5501 with reserve not met and the seller claimed $22k Canadian around $16,500 US spent in the last two years on it.
Your own taste or in this case copying the paint scheme of a motor home does not always sit well with the next buyer.
I really admire the seller for being honest and showing the Mini in its worst shape but along with the dash and stripes as mentioned and the vinyl wrap i think it hurt the sale he would have been better off just showing the shell in primer after all that body work and welding was done.
This Mini should have been re shelled imo.

That Lotus Cortina in the garage looks nice though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 02, 2019, 03:48:01 PM
Whew! I bet MiniGuy was sweating bullets that he might win this one!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 02, 2019, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 02, 2019, 03:48:01 PM
Whew! I bet MiniGuy was sweating bullets that he might win this one!   ;D

Haha.  I'm sure he would be totally shocked!!

$5501 has to the the lowest RNM bid for a Mini ever on BaT. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 02, 2019, 04:49:16 PM
Yeah, again the guy was his own worst enemy on that sale....the video was terrible - but he said his insurance had run out and there was still lot of snow on the roads, that's why he drove around his neighborhood at 25 mph with the camera oscillating between the floor and the roof every time he accelerated, braked or shifted.

And at the end he pointed out that he had the original black vinyl covered aluminum dash if someone wanted to change out the wooden one, I would think a few pics of that might have helped. My point is that he wasn't a very good salesman, that's all.

I think that car wasn't really worth much more than that given that it would need a complete paint job, and the dash rebuilt - and after all it was just a 70's Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 02, 2019, 05:47:28 PM
The dash rebuild would be problematic because the original dash rails were removed when it became a race car. Instead it just has two horizontal bracing tubes behind the wood and no standard Mini dash would fit without work.  Plus the big ass air box cutout is in the way too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 03, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
I have learnt my lesson many years ago as a teenager to not buy a car in primer (which this one was under the wrap) and think it is ready to paint, primer covers a multitude of sins and bodywork needed.
Not a fan of flip fronts either especially that particular one that had no faux front panel and bonnet seams in it the front end looked like a bubble.
To each his own though i am sure the original builder thought it was cute with the paint scheme matched to his RV.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: joakwin on April 05, 2019, 08:43:52 AM
that paint job is ugly
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 05, 2019, 03:07:06 PM
Another Mini is being auctioned on BaT.  This is a genuine regular production 1275 carb Mini Cooper from 1992. 

It's got a lot going for itself, except it happens to be sitting in Sicily which will limit its appeal.  It's only a couple of hours into the auction and the seller is being very responsive, so that is always a good sign.   Seller promises underbody shots tomorrow and brand new tires to the purchaser too.

My guess is this will be bid somewhere around $13K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-5/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1992_rover_mini_1554027393ca71d84a5f3cfccDSC_6227-e1554387368215-940x627.jpg)




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 06, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
Looks nice and straight last of the carbed models with a HIF 38. The before paint pictures look good too i really don't know why he painted it.
Being LHD will help the bidding if it was already Stateside i am guessing it would bring another $3 to $5k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 09, 2019, 12:03:13 PM
The dark silver Mini in Italy is not getting too much attention or love.   So I wrote a long comment explaining why it should.   It's only bid to $2,500 as of now.   Bidders biding their time until it gets closer to auction end?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 09, 2019, 12:26:26 PM
3 more days to go, we'll see what it does on Friday I guess......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 09, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 09, 2019, 12:03:13 PM
The dark silver Mini in Italy is not getting too much attention or love.   So I wrote a long comment explaining why it should.   It's only bid to $2,500 as of now.   Bidders biding their time until it gets closer to auction end?

Yes i thought it would be doing a lot better especially with a very active seller who has shipped to the US before, maybe no one likes the fact it is in Italy.
One thing i would verify if i was bidding would be that the second vin matches the vin plate shown then there should be no trouble importing it.
If the bidding does not pick up substantially i can see this one ending RNM and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 13, 2019, 10:45:05 AM
The grey Mini only got to $8500 and ended up RNM.
Very interactive seller who sells cars in the US in Virginia and he has said he will be shipping this one over and i am sure it will do the money he needs for it then.
Being in Italy probably hurt the sale but even when you factor in the shipping and port costs at around $2 to $2.5k it was still a cheap price for a Mini based on US or UK prices.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 24, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Another nice Mk1 Cooper S, the only negative mentioned so far is the yellow color, some like it, some are not so sure....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?fbclid=IwAR2YD7IpcS9PYgimsJ4mNc3gBdm2LGEmZr_sNpXv5AGpDk-shM2bH8PXPQw (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-5/?fbclid=IwAR2YD7IpcS9PYgimsJ4mNc3gBdm2LGEmZr_sNpXv5AGpDk-shM2bH8PXPQw)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 24, 2019, 08:07:12 PM
I made a comment about the silkscreened VIN plate – that's just weird.  And it looks to me that someone ordered the wrong seat covers – the auction claims gold brocade as should be on a Cooper - but I'm not seeing any gold at all.

Still, I think this car is going to command some big bucks.  Mid 30s at least. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on April 24, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
Looks good to me except for the engine plate stamped from the top and the silkscreened VIN plate.  The seats are correct and hard to find in those colors.  The Brocade is there but the gold may have faded or washed away.  Should easily get to mid 30's!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 25, 2019, 01:27:50 PM
Almost choked when it said it was Fiesta Yellow and sure enough there it was on the certificate also.  I had to comment cause there are only 2 pictures that look correct. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 25, 2019, 01:33:37 PM
yeah, the lighting really affects the look of the color......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on April 26, 2019, 11:36:04 AM
Tell me if I'm wrong ( I'm sure everyone will  ;D ) but it looks like this car has been hit on the front left with some good and some bad repairs. One of the front floor sections has been replaced with an odd pressing. I give the seller credit for providing a lot of good pictures.

Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on April 26, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
Yes, in the comments there is a discussion of the silk screened replacement VIN tags.  This was the result of a wreck during the Canadian ownership where the front was damaged.  It then mentions it languished at a shop for a decade being repaired.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 26, 2019, 03:30:02 PM
That Mini has been hit pretty hard in the front and the owner has even admitted it was in an accident and left in storage for 10 years.
The front floor pan has been stitched in with the ribs not aligning and on the same side where the front sub frame leg mounts the floor/bulkhead section looks to be hammered out with a sledge hammer.
I presume the front panel has been replaced with what looks like the incorrect one so also the body number may be gone, along with the silk screened vin plate and incorrectly stamped engine number ther is no fool proof way to prove the provenance of this S.
I am not saying it is not an S i believe it is but with the way it is presented who knows?
That being said i am sure it will do decent money and sell especially if the current owner purchased it from Canada at .75c on the dollar.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 29, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
Stan's Mini went live on BaT today.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-austin-mini-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-austin-mini-3/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 29, 2019, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 29, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
Stan's Mini went live on BaT today.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-austin-mini-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-austin-mini-3/)
I've been drooling over that car ever since I watched it come together here on RM.  And when I saw it on dyno day it did not disappoint one bit.   I left a positive comment on BaT.   I'm sure it will do well - there are few Minis as nice.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 29, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Very nice build with some tasteful mods it will do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on April 29, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
Thanks for your support and comments on BAT guys, I really appreciate it, and that helps me so much in moving things along ,  I am greatful for that . The mini projects have been a great and memorable part to my life. Cars come and go but the memories stay, and better yet to meet some of you in helping me along the way.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 30, 2019, 07:07:17 AM
Once you get relocated, you can be our roving correspondent in China!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on April 30, 2019, 04:43:38 PM
Ha, yes.....No classic minis there but seen a lot of the newer ones in Shanghai. They have some strict policies on cars ....among other things ha ..... no more that 1 year old vehicle for imports and only if approved. And only LHD cars.....now Hong Kong on the other hand is RHD and other side of road having been under British at one time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 01, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
Well, the Fiesta Yellow S got to $27,500 and went RNM....it hit that number yesterday which meant it didn't move at all at the end of the auction. That surprised me....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 01, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 01, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
Well, the Fiesta Yellow S got to $27,500 and went RNM....it hit that number yesterday which meant it didn't move at all at the end of the auction. That surprised me....

I thought it did remarkably well considering it's past and present faults not to mention the lack of answers on the owners part.
Not a lot of love for the colour though but to me it was different in a good way, you won't see many Fiesta yellow Cooper S's around.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 01, 2019, 05:25:07 PM
I agree, my only thought was usually you get some action in the last few minutes.....this one died completely the day before.

Maybe like SM Minis said, the markets is saturated.....Hope Stan's car does better!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 02, 2019, 10:18:54 AM
I think Stan's Mini will do fine i would take his over that S any day.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 06, 2019, 01:33:02 PM
Stan's Mini sold for $19k congrats Stan and i think a hell of a buy for the buyer.
On to the next one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 06, 2019, 02:17:26 PM
Yeah, I think he did OK, but then I saw a Ferrari tool roll sell for $18K..... ::) :-[ 8.gif

Some people think the color might have hurt the sale some....I came to like it after a while myself. I think the car is going to Vegas baby, so it will fit in fine there!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 06, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
Yes what they get for Italian tools and Porsche wheels is ridiculous but if you need that tool roll to complete your concourse restoration then i guess it is worth it.

I drift towards the not so popular Mini colors it makes a change from the normal sea of blue, red, and green ones.
I don't for one minute you could build that Mini for $19k when paying for labor.
I wonder how he is going to register it in California maybe with a Montana LLC ?
Maybe Nevada is easier.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: stan360 on May 06, 2019, 07:46:37 PM
Talked to buyer today. He has a place in Nevada as well and can register the car there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 07, 2019, 08:45:52 AM
That makes sense.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 10, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Mini race cars!  Mini race cars!   Get your Mini cars right here!

Two have popped up on BaT. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-mini-cooper-mk2-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/1968_austin_austin_mini_cooper_mk2_15568984441c3e7bebd2b9a60dBob_Beauchemin-02-940x628.jpg)


And this one looks like it was driven by Austin Powers.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-wolseley-hornet/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/1965_wolseley_hornet_15573236081059d20180915_101816-e1557412817512-940x626.jpg)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 14, 2019, 08:36:07 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mark-iv/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mark-iv/)

A 76 Canadian Mini with a lot of upgrades and all the Canadian "beauty" parts removed......one thing I've learned watching these BaT auctions and reading the invoices from the various repair shops around the country - I'm working WAY to cheap......$3K labor to rebuild an engine......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on May 14, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
I need to charge more for glass installation lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 14, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
If someone is going to spend that much money on a Canadian Mini, why the heck wouldn't they ditch the ugly sidemarker lights?!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 18, 2019, 06:58:57 PM
The orange racecar brought $20K, more than Stan's Mini did!

The blue one a more reasonable $15K

The Canadian Mini is only up to $7700......anyone know the significance of the lic plate? I assume it's binary?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 20, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Well the ex Canadian green Mini with the Webasto sold for $18,350. Nice car well presented with a few things that needed sorting and bought good money imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 20, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
That's a pretty significant price.....I think that shows why Stan's car only brought $650 more - color is important too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 22, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
Another Moke on BaT!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-4/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-4/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 23, 2019, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 22, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
Another Moke on BaT!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-4/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-4/)

And with a front-mounted radiator, no less.  Looks to be well done, but I wonder why make the effort when a side mounted radiator works fine?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 23, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Wonder if he thinks it will bring $41K like the other one did?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 29, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 23, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Wonder if he thinks it will bring $41K like the other one did?

The "modified" UK Moke did $23,000 and sold, I would have guessed RNM at that price especially when you consider a new shell is $10k plus.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
Yep, now there is a really nice ERA Turbo Mini on BaT.....he previously had it on Ebay with a buy it now of $28,500......wonder if it will get a BaT bump?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 29, 2019, 01:13:21 PM
I would love to have an ERA Mini. I think there is a limited market and it may go to the UK. They seem to be bringing many back from Japan. But many is a relative term as there are few anywhere..
Do you have a link to the Ebay listing, I cannot find it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2019, 02:05:16 PM
It wasn't Ebay, it was Craigslist in 2017....my mistake.

Since that time he seems to have done a lot of work on the car including repainting it....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 29, 2019, 06:49:16 PM
I guess the ERA was featured on BAT before when it was on Craigslist.
There was a link to this in the description, which also had a link to the CL posting which is now gone:
https://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/18/rare-era-turbo-1990-mini-in-texas/ (https://bringatrailer.com/2017/01/18/rare-era-turbo-1990-mini-in-texas/)

Never heard of this site, but it was posted in a comment:
http://www.craigslistadsaver.com/view.php?name=TurboRoverMini (http://www.craigslistadsaver.com/view.php?name=TurboRoverMini)

And why not clean up the engine bay?It has been in the US for three years, no attention to the engine bay during that time
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2019, 10:59:21 AM
Cool find on the CL saver....

I agree, I don't understand why they would go to that much effort on the body ad interior and not clean up the engine bay.

I see this all the time, guys trying to sell parts on TMF and they're a corroded, grubby, nasty mess.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on May 31, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
83 miles on this ERA Turbo in the UK

Its pretty cherry!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-Mini-ERA-Turbo-low-mileage-British-Racing-Green-1-owner-Classic-Cars/153461575210?hash=item23bb05ce2a:g:zdAAAOSwSCZcXAtM  (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-Mini-ERA-Turbo-low-mileage-British-Racing-Green-1-owner-Classic-Cars/153461575210?hash=item23bb05ce2a:g:zdAAAOSwSCZcXAtM)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 31, 2019, 01:05:37 PM
Nice to see Rover kept their sub standard fitting bonnet on ERA Mini's they charged twice as much for when new lol.
Is it me or does the dash fitted in these look like some 70's home made foam backed back yard shed job to anyone else ?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 31, 2019, 01:08:04 PM
I saw that hood misfit too!   ;D

Looks just like my car...

Yeah, that dash is the epitome of 80's style!

those seats sure looked comfy tho....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 31, 2019, 03:13:18 PM
I think the one in the UK has been for sale at a higher price a few times.
I did not win the lottery Wednesday night, so I won't be bidding or buying.

At least they cleaned the engine bay on the UK one, but with that few miles maybe it did not need attention. I would be worried about a car being unused for that long.
http://www.gcminis.co.uk/products/rover-mini/era-turbo-in-green-with-just-82-miles-1 (http://www.gcminis.co.uk/products/rover-mini/era-turbo-in-green-with-just-82-miles-1)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 03, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 29, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
Yep, now there is a really nice ERA Turbo Mini on BaT.....he previously had it on Ebay with a buy it now of $28,500......wonder if it will get a BaT bump?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/)

No BaT bump on this one Dave it sold for a verrrrrry reasonable a bargain in fact $16,750 and is going to California and yes he is going to register it there.
Even being a 90's Mini it can be registered and has been done recently on a carbed 1275 Mini, not sure i would want the $5k bill to do it though or if the turbo makes a big difference on the emissions.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 03, 2019, 06:21:44 PM
Turbo's work well at altitude!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on June 04, 2019, 08:10:24 AM
I would have placed a bid if I knew it was going to go so low.
Anyone know the "buyer's premium" on BAT?

Being in California, I would need an extra 5K for the certification as well. I was also told it would be possible to register it as an historical vehicle in California. That classification limits the number of miles driven somehow.
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 04, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
5% of the sale price on BaT, so $837.50 on this car....reasonable compared to Mecom or the other big auction houses - it's also capped at $5K, so even if you bought something for $500K, you'll only pay $5k.

Could you guys in Ca do like the RV'ers do and get a mailing address in Nevada or Oregon or someplace and reg the car there and avoid all the Ca smog pain?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 04, 2019, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 04, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
5% of the sale price on BaT, so $837.50 on this car....reasonable compared to Mecom or the other big auction houses - it's also capped at $5K, so even if you bought something for $500K, you'll only pay $5k.

Could you guys in Ca do like the RV'ers do and get a mailing address in Nevada or Oregon or someplace and reg the car there and avoid all the Ca smog pain?

Cars that are not CA friendly are frequently registered in other States.
Montana has no sales tax so high dollar cars are registered there under an LLC with no residency required, also Vermont is another State where you do not need to be a resident as well as other States i assume.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on June 04, 2019, 06:07:42 PM
Some areas in California are more aggressive than others about out of state licensing.. There has been increased awareness as more people try to avoid local registration.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 09, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
Another Mini is on BaT, this time a Mk. II Mini.  On the plus side, it is a Mk. II car, but there are some paint issues, and the interior is tatty and missing items.  Sporting a tuned 998, my wild guess is this car will be bid to about $11K. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-mini-cooper-mk2-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1968_austin_austin_mini_cooper_mk2_1559834264c47ad07P4180915-620x458.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 12, 2019, 01:10:11 PM
Now a VTEC Mini has popped up on BaT.  Looks to be done well and reportedly has done some track days too.

No external clues it sports a VTEC, however the interior has had some custom Fast & Furious work done - not to my taste at all.

My guess is this will be bid up to the low- to mid-$20s.  Then again, the fact it is already registered in the Peoples Republic of California may really be attractive to those living there.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-austin-mini/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1974_austin_mini_1557857465a3b37ba7IMG_5158-620x465.jpg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1974_austin_mini_155785737737ba7d308fcIMG_5171-620x465.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on June 13, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Wow... that interior is 'umm... modified.

  all the parts are there but just that steering column is wow.. and then the gas tank is in the passenger compartment to give a trunk.. Sure its probably fine. but no thanks.'

I bet it doesn't Pass 15K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 13, 2019, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: BruceK on June 09, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
Another Mini is on BaT, this time a Mk. II Mini.  On the plus side, it is a Mk. II car, but there are some paint issues, and the interior is tatty and missing items.  Sporting a tuned 998, my wild guess is this car will be bid to about $11K. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-austin-mini-cooper-mk2-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1968_austin_austin_mini_cooper_mk2_1559834264c47ad07P4180915-620x458.jpg)

I am surprised this MK II is not doing better at $4k with one day to go. Yes it needs a few interior pieces but what work has been done looks decent, surely this will be RNM unless there are some real bidders out there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 13, 2019, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: jedduh01 on June 13, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Wow... that interior is 'umm... modified.

  all the parts are there but just that steering column is wow.. and then the gas tank is in the passenger compartment to give a trunk.. Sure its probably fine. but no thanks.'

I bet it doesn't Pass 15K.

Yeah no one is liking the interior mods which i think would look and show a lot better painted satin black.
The gas tank in the rear seat and the seats and column moved as far back as possible points towards the builder/owner trying to get that to the perfect 50/50 balance.
As stated in the write up it is best suited and is set up firm to do track days.
That being said it looks rust free and and some attention to detail in the build.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 13, 2019, 01:34:40 PM
BaT is becoming car snob central.  If it isn't perfect original condition or a concourse restore the haters hate and hate hard.  Going to turn the site in to Mecum before long and all the regular cars/trucks will be back on eBay and craigslist.  The comments on obvious customs or one offs are just ridiculous any more. 

Now the Vtec deserves some bashing, I mean i get the console and extended seats and steering but dang if looks should be some part of the consideration.  Now saying that, it should be pretty simple to move the tank, shorten the column and bring interior back to somewhat normal looking fairly easy and then bam, you have a solid, straight vtec mini.  Add the AC and track across the states  71.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 14, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
The blue Mini came thru in the end finishing at $17,500. Better than I expected given the lack of activity the rest of the week.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 14, 2019, 07:19:12 PM
Yes i just looked at the blue one and was surprised it finished so strong especially as it needed some work.

Now an early smooth roof  project Traveller/Countryman is up for auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
You know that blue Countryman/Traveler would make a nice car, but it needs a lot of work, and if you were to pay someone to do it, it would quickly outrun the value of the car - I think the little wagon will be hard pressed to make $10K in the condition it's in now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 17, 2019, 10:06:35 AM
Yes it would. Looking at the A panel and rear valances i question how much filler was used on the body itself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 18, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
Wow, that Vtec Mini on BaT brought $26,500, that was a strong result. The last one - which I think was nicer - a year ago only brought $20K. Strong result for a car a lot of people panned over the interior modifications, such as the fuel tank in place of the back seat and the modified steering and console.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 18, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
I'm guessing a well sorted driving ugly interior vtec is better than a good looking vibrating uncontrollable poop box of a vtec.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 19, 2019, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on June 18, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
I'm guessing a well sorted driving ugly interior vtec is better than a good looking vibrating uncontrollable poop box of a vtec.

That is the same thing i said in the comments it takes a lot of work to get to the finish line on a VTEC build and having to sort out some interior issues is a walk in the park compared to the rest of the build. I was surprised with the owner not using a beam axle set up instead of the old sub frame especially as he had seemed to go to great lengths to get the car as close to a 50/50 balance as he could.
At $26,500 I still think it did all the money though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 21, 2019, 06:09:36 PM
The little blue wagon only brought $5800, towards the end the seller admitted it needed a LOT of work, and that's why they decided to just sell it. Winner was Marinlands, who sold his Moke on BaT last year for $41K!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 11, 2019, 01:58:18 PM
It's been a while, but now BaT is auctioning a Mini again.   

This one is a JDM car, and BaT says it has been 'backdated' to look older than it is with Mk. II/ Mk. III taillights, 10" wheels, etc.  Doesn't seem to have any issues, and is the recipient of a new 998 engine too.  The electric cooling fan isn't exactly circa 1985, but can't hurt.

With a 1 litre engine my guess is this will be bid up to the low teens. Maybe higher?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mini-mk-v-1000/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1985_mini_mk_v_1000_15627947873b973450bf6aScreen-Shot-2019-07-10-at-2.39.14-PM-940x710.png)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 11, 2019, 02:50:20 PM
I think it will struggle to get to 12-13K.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 11, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 11, 2019, 02:50:20 PM
I think it will struggle to get to 12-13K.....

Because of the 998 vs. a 1275?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 11, 2019, 04:37:55 PM
Seat covers, the 998 is not fresh, just the head got worked over....a few other things, but overall it's a nice enough car I guess.

998's generally just don't make the numbers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 11, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 11, 2019, 04:37:55 PM
Seat covers, the 998 is not fresh, just the head got worked over....a few other things, but overall it's a nice enough car I guess.

998's generally just don't make the numbers.

The BaT write up says

"...He [seller] has since replaced the engine, rebuilt the cylinder head, and installed a new head gasket, water pump, high-performance alternator, battery, RC40 muffler, Spax suspension, Cooper S disc brakes, ..." 


I took that to mean a fresh engine.  But I can see it could just mean exchanging engine A for engine B which is is how you are reading it, right?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 11, 2019, 06:20:17 PM
Yes, that was my interpretation.....the seat covers are just pulled over the original covers
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 17, 2019, 07:19:08 PM
Well Bruce, I got a little closer on this one than your guess......$12,250 on the blue Mini 1000
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 18, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
And now, a Mini Van! This one is located in Spain, and I think the last one they tried didn't do so well, mostly because of import and shipping costs.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-minivan/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-minivan/)

Although this one has a back seat, so I don't know how it could be a van? Originally a LHD export model.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: WalterSmith on July 19, 2019, 04:39:02 AM
Guys any one know approximate price range of Austin Mini Cooper, in USA.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 19, 2019, 12:52:48 PM
Depends on a lot of variables year, condition, running, engine size etc. Also depends if the car is a real Cooper or S model or just a basic Mini.
On the low end $5k will buy you a runner needing work but the average ones sell in the $8k to $15k range.
Cooper's and S's bring a lot more money up to $40k and then some depending on the year and the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on July 19, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
It's likely a wood load floor van with the BMC rear seat kit. These were made for export only to avoid import taxes on personal vehicles that often didn't exist for commercial vehicles in many countries. This one was shipped to the Canary Islands so that makes sense. I have seen several in the U.S., all I believe imported from South America. This is the first one I've seen that had the back seat but didn't have aftermarket side windows. The van body has a different style of horizontal support running front to back compared to an estate, which is designed for sliding windows. The vertical reinforcing post in the same area is unique to vans but is often cut when windows are installed.
Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 20, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
I have seen converted vans with two windows in each side so they kept the vertical brace and boy do they look goofy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 30, 2019, 07:02:07 PM
An early production later Mini Cooper (boy is that a confusing statement) has now turned up on BaT.   This is a LHD model made in 1992, so it is pre-FI.  Having that carb makes is more desirable in my opinion.   This was RNM recently on BaT when it was located in Italy, but now it has been brought into the US and put back on BaT.  That change in location, and with all the importing paperwork and registration done (which scares some people) means it should find a bigger audience now. 


Looks pretty clean and the only negative might be the high mileage.  I am thinking this will bring somewhere around $15K even with all the usual crap about difficulties in registering it in the Peoples Republic of California.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-6/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1992_rover_mini_15624254821ef56DSC_7658-e1564192078194-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 30, 2019, 08:02:57 PM
Sure looks nice....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 31, 2019, 06:56:36 AM
Considering the mileage is around 80k the interior and whole car for that matter looks to be in great shape.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 05, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
Bruce hit that grey Mini right on the nose - sold for $15,500 today.

There have been a LOT of no-sales on BaT lately, and a lot of much more reasonably priced sales too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 05, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
And now there's a Jet Black 88 Jap spec Mini on BaT.....looks like a nice car, but 998 and period A/C? Make an 850 look fast!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2019, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 05, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
Bruce hit that grey Mini right on the nose - sold for $15,500 today.


Dumb luck on my part!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2019, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 05, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
And now there's a Jet Black 88 Jap spec Mini on BaT.....looks like a nice car, but 998 and period A/C? Make an 850 look fast!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini/)


My white Mini was born as a limited edition Jet Black model like this one.  Just for kicks, I checked the VIN to see if the two cars came off the line near each other.   They sure did NOT.  My car's VIN sequential number is some 13,000 (!) more than this one.    8.gif   That's a bit of a head scratcher since they only made 3,000 Jet Black models.  I guess they did not just make a big batch of them at one time and instead spread them out of a long period of time.

It sure looks good on the 10" wheels (instead of the skinny 12" ones it originally came with) combined with the black paint.

Still no photos of the bottom of the car.  Assuming photos arrive and the car is not crusty, my guess is this car will be bid to around $12K-$13K and may go RNM. 

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1988_rover_mini_156288439151f9410820Y7A9888-620x388.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 06, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
Front cones look collapsed, don't they?

998's just don't bring the big moneys...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on August 07, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
I don't see a clutch master cylinder.
Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 07, 2019, 11:57:17 AM
It must be hidden behind the brake master, but when you look at the interior shots it has all three pedals.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 11, 2019, 07:26:58 PM
Geez, a half day to go and the Jet Black Mini is getting no love at all.  Only bid to $5300 so far and RNM is looming.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 12, 2019, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 11, 2019, 07:26:58 PM
Geez, a half day to go and the Jet Black Mini is getting no love at all.  Only bid to $5300 so far and RNM is looming.

I was off in my original guess, but I was correct about it going RNM.  It was only bid to $10,500.  Perhaps a fair bid, but I thought it would go higher.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 12, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
Even tho it was pretty nice, I think that was a reasonable price for this car. Wonder what he was expecting?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 13, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
A long-term storage Mk. II Cooper S just went live on BaT.   This car has the Fred Flintstone floor feature!  And it is crunchy all over and has not been on the road since Richard Nixon was the President.    The 45+ years since then have not been too kind to this Mini. 

But it is a Cooper S, and a Mk. II one at that.  So I think we can expect some crazy pricing on this 'project'.  My guess is this will be bid into the $20Ks.  Maybe more if dark, rose-colored glasses are worn by some bidders.

Me?  Call me crazy but I think I would have spent the 30 seconds it takes to attach the grille for the photos (grille button equipped!).  Would have looked more like a complete car that way.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-cooper-s-2/


(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1968_austin_mini_cooper_s_156293983537831f4cbDSC06337-e1564780501234-940x624.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 13, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
Well, if that white "barn find" Mk1 that needed EVERYTHING could bring $54K.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2019, 05:01:26 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 13, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
Well, if that white "barn find" Mk1 that needed EVERYTHING could bring $54K.......


That was pure crazy.  I can't see that being repeated again.  Certainly not here.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 14, 2019, 07:03:16 AM
Have to agree on that Bruce, BaT seems to bring a knee jerk price reaction to the first of the OMG they do exist cars and then they all come out of the wood work and the market realizes they aren't that rare.  Same thing happened recently with the 240Z market.  First original type one went for 40-50K I think and then just like that BaT became Ba240Z followed by plummiting prices. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 16, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
A lot of comments have been flagged as "non-constructive" on the Mk. II Cooper S auction and are now hidden from view.  Seems to have been a discussion about MiniGuy. 

Apparently this car was on MiniGuy's site for quite a while unsold and the seller wants it removed from there since it is now on BaT.   Guess what?  It's still on MiniGuy's site. 


Wonder if MiniGuy will make a half-assed BaT bid on this car?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2019, 09:19:41 AM
I have heard a bit more of the back-story directly from Michael Lewis.

The seller had basically signed a deal on the car and then decided to back out in order to put it on BaT to try for more money (seller's remorse?).  Someone in the comments on BaT noted its older listing on MiniGuy as still active and called out the discrepancy.  The seller openly asked bidders to not contact MiniGuy.  MiniGuy updated the posting on his site to reflect the change in status and backing out of the prior deal.

The various comments about the conflict seem to have all been flagged on BaT.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2019, 10:00:16 AM
I sat next to Michael Lewis at the Mini EMW dinner, we had a lot of interesting conversations - but I tread lightly.

BTW, he's really tall!

Tyler Gildred of Gildred Racing was also at our table, I really enjoyed talking to him about what he and his company are doing. Wish I had won the $1000 set of coil overs he gave away!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 16, 2019, 10:01:59 AM
Hmmm... Thanks for the backstory.    I've seen instances before when a seller has a vehicle on BaT and they are still listing it on eBay and/or Craigslist.  Or Hemmings.  The commentators always seem to find out about these 'have your cake and eat it too' situations.  Sounds like the seller wanted to conveniently forget his arrangement with MiniGuy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2019, 02:55:36 PM
Speaking of "backstories", ...

Do folks here follow the "MileMarker" stories on BaT?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2019, 03:00:09 PM
Yes, the writer is a friend of mine named Rich from many years ago, it's fun to read those because when I do I hear them in the author's voice.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
Wow, they even flagged my comment on the MKII S, and while I don't remember what I said, on Classic Minis I'm usually very supportive!

Seems the "flagger" has gone into overdrive!

I wonder if those are all MiniGuy comments, and MiniGuy asked them to be flagged, or did it himself? Wonder how that works?

Whatever happened, it fairly killed the bidding.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 18, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
Yeah I made a comment there yesterday that the hidden flagged comments number almost as many as the visible comments. 

This situation does not bode well for a successful auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 19, 2019, 03:44:54 PM
Now there is a Mk. I Innocenti on BaT.  Said to be a 998 Cooper, this is a complete, running car -- and same color as the rusty Cooper S. 

It  is sure to draw attention away from the Cooper S.  Sure, 998cc vs. 1275cc, Cooper vs. Cooper S, but a running car that can be DRIVEN is much more appealing than a project of unknown costs and complexity.

Even though it is just a 1 liter car, my wild guess is this puppy will go for into the high teens.  Maybe higher?  Going against it is the fact it is in another country and way up North in Nova Scotia.  That could hurt it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-morris-mini-cooper/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1968_morris_mini_cooper_s_1563133552f98764daCA1CD211-6754-4F0A-8C63-A84425F06BA9-e1566228326972-940x628.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 19, 2019, 04:45:22 PM
Really nice car, and the importation should not be a detriment on this one like some of the cars that were over the pond. Interesting that the 998 engine makes 60 hp. Some 1275's didn't make that much.....

I would love to have this one, with it's low miles and super clean condition it should only go up in value. I think it should go close to $20K also.....

I would have this over a MK1 S with dubious pedigree and needing everything anyday.

I think the negative MiniGuy talk on the other one absolutely killed that auction, they should remove it and relist it again another time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 20, 2019, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 19, 2019, 04:45:22 PM

I think the negative MiniGuy talk on the other one absolutely killed that auction, they should remove it and relist it again another time.


I agree.   With just a couple of hours remaining in this 7 day auction, bids are only up to $3,500 (!).  For a Cooper S!  Seems dead, dead, dead at this point. 


Even if some more bids materialize, there is a reserve and I bet it is well north of $20K, so RNM is almost a sure thing. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
Bid to $13,500", BaT's way of saying the seller had rose colored glasses on and the real market spoke in a different language.

Or RNM.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 20, 2019, 01:11:35 PM
Still, that is a considerable amount of action in bid level during the last hour considering it was still at $3700 about 1.5 hours ago.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 20, 2019, 01:34:54 PM
I thought it was a very reasonable result for that car - given it needed everything  and had a locked up engine. I'd rather have that blue Inno for $20K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 23, 2019, 11:41:34 AM
A Mk. I Cooper S has just appeared on BaT.  It's the perfect color combination (I might be biased on that)   ;D

And this car is said to have some history with a famous race team and track owner later  (but not as a race car).

The first 2 bids were under $2,200, then the third bidder just ploppled a big bag 'o money on the table and bid $24K!!  In the first hours of the 7 day auction.  This is going to be interesting!

I suspect this car will be nit picked to pieces but still receive a lot of $$$. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/1964_austin_cooper_s_1561387061bd598f3c1920190423_163636-e1561387100750-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 23, 2019, 12:03:31 PM
Well, there are a lot of nits to pick, everything from the single carb, incorrect grill and lights, filled in seams on the front fenders, paint that doesn't match, and a lic plate that says "64 S instead of the as listed 65.

And what about the incorrect seat covers that don't match any of the rest of the interior, and the (possibly) incorrect inner axle joints?

Still, if it proves to be an actual S model, then it is a running, driving S as compared to the ones with seized engines that need "everything" to be a usable car again. I don't see this one bringing the really big money unless the Jim Hall provenance can be proven.

Whenever I see a big bid like that early in the auction it really raises a red flag for me.

Dry suspension and no oil cooler on this car too.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on August 23, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
There is a card or a magnet in one of the pictures for Antique Auto Restoration in Seaside.
This is a YELP link to reviews:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/antique-auto-restoration-seaside (https://www.yelp.com/biz/antique-auto-restoration-seaside)

My 1966 had the rubber joints originally.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 23, 2019, 05:33:28 PM
That link seemed to go to a T&T place run by a Vietnamese guy?

Edit: My bad....I clicked in the wrong place.

Wow, they sure got banged up on Yelp!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on August 24, 2019, 07:42:13 AM
I have never liked Yelp for that reason, too many links to other vendors.
But it was about all I could find on that restorer. Interesting that one of the negative reviews is from a MOASF member who caravaned with us to MMW Hood River last year.

I seem to remember hearing about a Jim Hall Mini, but someone posted that it is still in Texas.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 24, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 23, 2019, 11:41:34 AM
A Mk. I Cooper S has just appeared on BaT.  It's the perfect color combination (I might be biased on that)   ;D

And this car is said to have some history with a famous race team and track owner later  (but not as a race car).


The Provenance of this car having had famous owners is taking a beating over at the auction.    Don't know if that affects the value but it doesn't look good when an owner claims something and it's challenged by multiple people.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 24, 2019, 05:11:16 PM
I liked the comment "If this is Jim Hall's car shouldn't it have an automatic"  ;D

Whee - Jim Hall is famous for putting 2 speed Powerglide automatic transmissions in his CamAm cars.....

After all the negative comments, the price is still up to $24,000 with 6 days to go! Wonder if anyone else is gonna step up now. That's the problem with a big early bid, you never know when what you thought was a real buy turns out not to be.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on August 24, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
And a vacuum cleaner in the rear for suction, Chaparral Mini 2J
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2019, 10:40:49 AM
Watching the auction on the Innocenti in Halifax, it reminds me of a Mecum auction - I see the same names bidding on every auction.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
And we can deduce that some of those bidders want to bid more than bid to win.


About 10 minutes left (but of course that can change) and there was big last bid of over $5K over the previous bid to bring it up to $15K now.  I suspect it will go high teens or maybe even low twenties. 


I would hope the seller (and BaT) would not have an unreasonable reserve on this car. We'll soon find out!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
And we can deduce that some of those bidders want to bid more than bid to win.


About 10 minutes left (but of course that can change) and there was big last bid of over $5K over the previous bid to bring it up to $15K now.  I suspect it will go high teens or maybe even low twenties. 


I would hope the seller (and BaT) would not have an unreasonable reserve on this car. We'll soon find out!

Bid to $18,100 and can you believe it?  It went RNM!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Yeah, I'm a little surprised it went RNM at $18,100......they wouldn't let Stan go that high on his reserve....

I think that last guy was in it to win it, he bumped himself several thou - I think the big $5K bid was a shill bid, that guy knew the reserve and wanted to get the action going....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 12:48:18 PM
Considering the seller (and BaT) started the auction with the car listed as a Morris and it was only through comments I made (and others made too) that they finally got their finger out and realized/acknowledged it was, in fact, an Innocenti, I am very surprised at the RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
I'm surprised they put that high a reserve on a Morris!

A 998 too....

However, I've seen a real trend on BaT on low mileage cars bringing a real premium, that's the only theory I can come up with that supports that high a reserve.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 24, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 23, 2019, 11:41:34 AM
A Mk. I Cooper S has just appeared on BaT.  It's the perfect color combination (I might be biased on that)   ;D

And this car is said to have some history with a famous race team and track owner later  (but not as a race car).


The Provenance of this car having had famous owners is taking a beating over at the auction.    Don't know if that affects the value but it doesn't look good when an owner claims something and it's challenged by multiple people.

Interesting turn of events on the white Cooper S on BaT.   Multiple people have stated the car is not the Jim Hall Mini.  Now someone who says HE is the owner of the Jim Hall Mini has also chimed in.


And that has been met by complete radio silence from the Seller for the past 3 days. That's not a good tactic. 


.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 26, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 26, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
I'm surprised they put that high a reserve on a Morris!

A 998 too....

However, I've seen a real trend on BaT on low mileage cars bringing a real premium, that's the only theory I can come up with that supports that high a reserve.

Claiming "low mileage" on a 55 year old car, that many people considered disposable, is a joke.  Other than copious amounts of unimpeachable good old fashioned detailed paperwork going back all the decades, there is no way to legitimately claim low mileage. 

Perhaps if you have a high end car like a Ferrari or Rolls you might try to make that claim.  But with a Mini?!   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 26, 2019, 01:41:18 PM
Good point.

I'm also always surprised at how the seller clams up when they get "found out" instead of just saying "I was mistaken" and going on to support the merits of the auction based on the merits of the car itself. While having a famous celebrity name attached to the ownership of a car can help it bring big bucks (The Beatle's minis that sold recently are a good example) I don't know how much Jim Hall's name would add to the value of this car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
Well, the white Cooper S with the questionable history and weird front fenders went RNM at $24,750.

Lesson learned, you need to be upfront about anything "different" about your car - the experts will spot it and crucify the sale if you don't have a good clean explanation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2019, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
Well, the white Cooper S with the questionable history and weird front fenders went RNM at $24,750.

Lesson learned, you need to be upfront about anything "different" about your car - the experts will spot it and crucify the sale if you don't have a good clean explanation.

Not to mention the seller completely glossed over the fact that it came to light it wasn't really Jim Hall's Mini.   That was the car's claim to fame when the auction started!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 04, 2019, 06:36:43 PM
I got forwarded the following link as a "discussion" topic regarding BaT:

https://www.guyswithrides.com/2019/05/18/has-bring-a-trailer-jumped-the-shark/ (https://www.guyswithrides.com/2019/05/18/has-bring-a-trailer-jumped-the-shark/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
Another Mini popped up on BaT a couple of days ago.  It's listed as a "1973 Mini 850 Deluxe 1.3L" which is a bit of an oxymoron. 

The URL seems to be geared for the auction of a Morris Mini, but this car is an Authi, so it's from a pretty rare branch of the Mini family tree. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-morris-mini-850-deluxe-2/

Some harsh comments so far, but my guess is this will be bid to perhaps $12K or $13K and might go RNM.  But then again, being a 1973 it avoids some of California's more onerous and overreaching vehicle regulations.  So that might bring some interest and more money from bidders in that state.

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1973_morris_mini_850_deluxe_15678044075887fc4feIMG_1849-e1568235750151-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 13, 2019, 12:18:24 PM
Sandwich plate on the remote means it probably didn't come from a Mini, wouldn't you say? Unless the Authi folks used the AA style set up?

People pointed out the difference in paint color on the doors - Dan and I have had many discussions about this. My contention is that when the doors are painted separately from the body (and often weeks or months later) that there's almost no way to make the paint match. Differences in temperature, humidity and even the age of the paint and the mix of thinner, air pressure, moisture in the air line - any number of things that can spell a difference - shoot, even how far the door is off the floor compared to the body shell means the angle of the spray will be different. I also pointed out that no factory paints their cars this way....rather they paint it all at once, then take the doors back off to assemble them, then remount them on the car later down the production line.

I can't count how may cars I've seen on BaT with "fresh" paint where the doors in particular don't match - some glaringly so.

Dan says he thinks it's not a problem if the painter knows what he's doing and takes some car with it.

As to Michael's post, I did not know that they turned down more cars than they list. I wonder just how big they will grow the auction site? Just the number of Porsches changing hands on BaT is staggering....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 13, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
It has a few quirks but at least the 850 has been replaced with a 1275.
I don't understand why Mini owners don't convert to Discs before installing bigger engines, yes for the most part when everything is working good they are "marginally" fine but imo converting to discs up front it is one of the best things you can do to a stock Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 13, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
Idk. The PO of mine put a built 1380 in it and was still running the drums. He hadn't upgraded cause the $1500 cost from 7.  Luckily I know better and got it for $600 from spares.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 14, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
That one door is darker in the pics.  It could be the body was primered in white and the door repaired, primed in grey, then sprayed.  We had this issue with Vikrams car when I shot the doors way after the fact.  Usually will match right up but in his case the body primer was tinted and when I did the doors I used grey.  I forgot that detail. Live and learn.  I just painted the flip front on the 66 S after waiting a solid year and running out of the first batch of paint. Not only did I run out of paint but I had since switched to a different brand of paint that covers better.  I was worried it wouldn't match and I'd have to blend into existing paint that is perfect, doubling work and wasting money on clear.  But, it's a dead match.  When I did front end repair on the rx7 a couple years ago, which included fixing a door, I blended approximately halfway down the door vs spraying the whole door in color to avoid non matching panels.  If there is a difference the blending tricks the eyes and you'd never see it.  Turns out though the paint was nats ass on matching, but either way it's best to take out the risk.  Dave's clubman when I did repairs had something like 3 different shades of that cream color blended throughout the body.  Who knew.  Took a couple batches of paint before I got something that worked. 

Also let me note that using paint chips out of a book is really setting yourself up for failure.  Getting an electronic scan of existing paint is the only way to get something perfect, or perfect enough the human eye can't make out the difference.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2019, 06:29:20 AM
A 1973 Innocenti Mini Cooper has appeared on BaT.    This will be an interesting one to watch.   The car has some regular Mini non-Inno stuff on it, and has hail damage and rust too.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mini-innocenti-cooper-s/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1973_mini_innocenti_cooper_s_15614028888764daIMG_8429-e1568143035956-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 18, 2019, 08:28:44 AM
And a poorly repaired left front fender with Bondo cracking thru the paint. And a filthy engine compartment.

But it has had a LOT of money spent on it getting suspension, brakes and other running gear sorted out....in fact, the invoices are staggering - to me. The one from Heritage garage in Costa Mucha was $6700! That was all for the suspension and brakes and such.....

Giant radio speakers in the door panels don't do it any favors either.....I loved reading the comments from the repair guy in Denver on his invoices. After repairing the door pulls (must have been the second time) he wrote "maybe this will last longer", sounded like he was a bit exasperated with it! :-)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2019, 12:02:49 PM
I've heard that Heritage Garage and Jet Motors do great work.  But my oh my, do they charge mucho $$$$$$ for it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 18, 2019, 12:21:30 PM
He said the left fender damage was due to a hail stone, but that all the rest of car only has tiny almost unnoticeable dings. I still think there is bondo under that crack on the left front fender
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 02:53:05 PM
The red Mini just closed at $14,200 on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 02:53:05 PM
The red Mini just closed at $14,200 on BaT.

A little above my high guess at $13K.  That's a fair amount of money for a disc brake car IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 18, 2019, 12:21:30 PM
He said the left fender damage was due to a hail stone, but that all the rest of car only has tiny almost unnoticeable dings. I still think there is bondo under that crack on the left front fender

I agree there is a lot of bondo in those fenders. Look at the seam lines they are not original and look to have been "manufactured" by cutting into the bondo (old body man trick) plus the small upright seams under the headlights are now filled in and gone. 
Also i don't see the Inno factory vin plate just the vin number stamped into the inner fender.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 18, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 02:53:05 PM
The red Mini just closed at $14,200 on BaT.

A little above my high guess at $13K.  That's a fair amount of money for a disc brake car IMO.

For a NON disc braked car with fiberglass floors ;)
He took the reserve off 5 minutes before the end of the auction, a smart move on his part.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 18, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Well, he sure fooled me - the guy that bought it was the one that jumped the bid $5K early on - I had him pegged as a shill for doing that. Congrats to the new owner - another Mini going to Maryland!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on September 18, 2019, 10:24:31 PM
 seller blatantly lies about the glassed floors.  car is clearly full of rust with all the paint blisters
  just the shit paint alone is bad and says run yet brings 14k wow just wow. I feel for the new owner as the car will need floors and who knows what else. I 100% guarantee that the floor is full of glass can see it a mile away but hey apparently that's just anti gravel coating :) seriously disappointed in the seller and somewhat in bat. 

maybe the new owner will show up here and we will get the low down on the car. Hopefully, they can come out ok.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 19, 2019, 06:51:46 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 18, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 18, 2019, 02:53:05 PM
The red Mini just closed at $14,200 on BaT.

A little above my high guess at $13K.  That's a fair amount of money for a disc brake car IMO.

For a NON disc braked car with fiberglass floors ;)
He took the reserve off 5 minutes before the end of the auction, a smart move on his part.

D'oh. I meant to say drum brake car!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 19, 2019, 08:19:39 AM
Yes it did a lot of money for what it was imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 19, 2019, 09:18:31 AM
Re-sale red......almost always works......def brought all the moneys.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2019, 09:49:07 AM
Yeah, but it's a rusty bucket......only a good buy if you can do your owm panel replacement and paint work. Or if you know a guy.......

It's a good looking car that's for sure, and it looks complete and original except for the things Larry H pointed out.

I'd love a copy of that parts book!

Current price is pretty cheapo!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 24, 2019, 11:30:56 AM
As the owner has spent around $12k on this Inno in the past 6 years at the $7800 current bid with a few hours to go it may be RNM. I know these auctions pick up the pace in the last few hours but it would seem it has a long way to go unless the owner is having a fire sale which you never see on BaT LOL.
Part of those $12k worth of invoices is bodywork to the tune of $2800 ($2000 and $800) respectively which imo has no bearing as it all needs to be re done correctly.

On the good news front it looks like the seller is willing to send you a copy of the parts book Dave.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2019, 11:41:29 AM
Yep, saw that....actually got a response from another poster in that thread too.....

BTW, it's a no reserve auction.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 24, 2019, 01:19:05 PM
Just noticed that after i read the owners comment about he is going to miss the car after 10 years.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2019, 01:36:23 PM
Whee, what do you consider ridiculously cheap?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Too late, sold for $10K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 24, 2019, 03:42:05 PM
Although the Innocenti needed work a lot of the mechanical work has been done by a reputable shop.
Depending on how much work the new owner can do himself it is a cheap way to get into an Innocenti Innocenti when you compare it to other basic Mini's that have sold recently.
Find a few of the missing Innocenti parts clean it up drive it for a while and see how far you want to go with it after that.
One things for sure it is going to California and if it gets registered there it will be worth $5k more just for the piece of paper :)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 24, 2019, 04:34:43 PM
Boy howdy, that's the truth!

Assuming you can find them.....$500 grill, $500 rear light assemblies, $175 T/S assemblies, $1000  headlight assemblies. Then the rust work and hail damage (assuming you can fix the roof and don't have to weld a new one in) and an $8K paint job and $1500 to ship it he'll be in it about $22-25K if done well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
Yes i hear you it can get expensive but like i said a lot depends on what the new owners abilities are.
The seller had the rear taillight assemblies but replaced them as he could not get them working correctly, maybe he has the fronts and the headlamps too.
The Innocenti stuff does come up for sale and demands a premium that is for sure. There is a guy on FB in Croatia that has a grille and always has Innocenti stuff listed but no prices.
Like i said i would drive it as is and sort out where i wanted to go with it but even if he did spend big money on a paint job my guess is he wouldn't loose any money with it advertised for sale in California.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 11:44:41 AM
yep, agreed....

The guy in Croatia is where Dan got our grill and where I got my price....I'm not sure he has another.

I'm sure the sockets are badly corroded in the tail light assemblies - I asked him if I could have them if they didn't go with the new owner but haven't heard back - if the chrome was OK I would transfer the sockets out of our tail lights and we already have a set of Altissimo lenses. I found a complete set of Altissimo tail light assemblies but they were $500. We decided not to change ours as most people won't know the difference.....unlike the grill which is so obvious.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 11:51:30 AM
There's a guy on Facebook with a really nice 74 Inno, good color and looks complete - he wants $25K, I think he's in New York.

See if this link works....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219547545216448&set=gm.2428189903902947&type=3&theater&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219547545216448&set=gm.2428189903902947&type=3&theater&ifg=1)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 25, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
I've bought a few things from the Croatia guy.  He bundled several odds and ends we were looking for.  I got the altissimo lenses from him but didn't realize the assembly is different.  The assemblies are hard to find in a pair and under $500.  Getting a steering wheel for under $650 was also a challenge and we still haven't found a horn button but I do have an inno emblem that may suffice if we have to fab up a button.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 11:51:30 AM
There's a guy on Facebook with a really nice 74 Inno, good color and looks complete - he wants $25K, I think he's in New York.

See if this link works....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219547545216448&set=gm.2428189903902947&type=3&theater&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219547545216448&set=gm.2428189903902947&type=3&theater&ifg=1)

When you quoted those prices i assumed you had first hand experience with their costs ;)

Although it screams the 70's the beige colour did nothing for the one that just sold the only colour worse than that was the brown they used but colour is subjective, that NY one looks much better in blue imo.

Looking at the blue car another thing that was missing on the beige Inno was the wheels they were 10 inch Mini light copies.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 25, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
Now for something completely different:   A fiberglass Mini on BaT.   It has a Swiftune engine is sure to generate a lot of comments.

The photos don't really emphasize the body differences to a normal metal-body Mini.   Until you see where the tail lights are.  And start looking at all the details. 

Still, not a bad Mini by any means.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1979_austin_mk_iv_mini_15663950651220b3a7-e1566480429306-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 07:16:15 PM
Weren't those made in Chile or Argentina or someplace?

This thing looks great! The only thing I wouldn't be keen on are the straight cut gears - I'd get tired of listening to them in a hurry.....

I wonder how thick the fiberglass has to be to be as strong as the steel body is?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2019, 04:34:21 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 07:16:15 PM
Weren't those made in Chile or Argentina or someplace?

This thing looks great! The only thing I wouldn't be keen on are the straight cut gears - I'd get tired of listening to them in a hurry.....

I wonder how thick the fiberglass has to be to be as strong as the steel body is?


There were two different fiberglass Minis made in South America: earlier ones in Chile with BMC cooperation, and later ones in Venezuela (MiniCord) with Rover cooperation.  The MiniCord ones even got the approval of John Cooper to use his name to make "official" Mini Coopers before Rover started back up with the reborn RSP Mini Cooper.   It was the MiniCord models that were imported ro the USA (or tried to be imported) by an outfit in Florida in the early 1990s.

But the fiberglass Mini on BaT is totally British, produced by Domino.  Most of the bodies they made were open top and looked like the Pimlico one below.  And if you look you can see some of the same styling as on the BaT Mini (molded in wheel archs connected by a horizontal swage line halfway up the body)

(http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/uploads/photoalbum/1977-austin-mini-034pimlico034-extremely-rare-1275cc-engine-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 26, 2019, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 25, 2019, 07:16:15 PM
Weren't those made in Chile or Argentina or someplace?

This thing looks great! The only thing I wouldn't be keen on are the straight cut gears - I'd get tired of listening to them in a hurry.....

I wonder how thick the fiberglass has to be to be as strong as the steel body is?



I would think they are pretty thick as they weigh close to the same as a steel bodied Mini
I worked on a Pimlico and it had a 1380 in it and it was a quick Mini.
Funny how they raised the rear lights and lowered the front turn signals.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 26, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
Well, it's getting  a lot of love - already at $10K on the first day....later comments indicate it's a carbon fiber/fiberglass mesh up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 26, 2019, 08:14:50 AM
The green one on BaT is a Domino HT.  The "HardTop" version of the Pimlico Bruce posted.  They were an all fiberglass kit car - no carbon fiber - from the factory.

That particular green one was formerly owned/sold by Al Guest - known on Mini Mania as "Big-Al".  It has gone back and forth through him a few times.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 26, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 26, 2019, 08:14:50 AM
The green one on BaT is a Domino HT.  The "HardTop" version of the Pimlico Bruce posted.  They were an all fiberglass kit car - no carbon fiber - from the factory.

That particular green one was formerly owned/sold by Al Guest - known on Mini Mania as "Big-Al".  It has gone back and forth through him a few times.

I thought it looked familiar, the Pimlico i worked on was owned by Al too now in TN i believe.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2019, 06:10:46 AM
So, now there are two black Minis no BaT.   The second one is a Japanese export Mini 1000, and it looks to be in good shape too.  It's been converted to 10" wheels, which I think are the best looking wheel size on a Mini. 

Of course with a 998 engine it may not pull bidders away from the fiberglass Mini with the Swiftune engine.  But it will interesting to see how this car does.  My guess is it will go for the low teens. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1988_rover_mini_1567720697cd20849DSC00112-e1569513108336-940x626.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 27, 2019, 07:42:00 AM
I dunno.....it's got rust, cracking paint, a crunchy second gear and a 998....plus those miserable seats..... ;D

But black is almost as good a resale color as red, so......I dunno.......

BTW, unless my eyes deceive me the other MIni is green, not black?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 27, 2019, 07:42:00 AM

BTW, unless my eyes deceive me the other MIni is green, not black?

You're right.  My mistake.  On my phone it looks black, but viewing it here the computer screen it is definitely dark green. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 27, 2019, 10:26:34 AM
I don't think it will make low teens quite a few jobs need to be done to get it in shape and they are not the easy ones headliner, paint and synchro's all jobs the "average" owner pays to get done.
It sold for $6400 but had to be shipped from Japan it will be interesting to see how well it does do.
Did you guys notice there are three different seats, two aftermarket black, one aftermarket white one, and the Factory Rover black ones.
The carb looks like it is maybe a downdraft Webber but no sign of an air cleaner.
It does have a good look to it with those 6" wide 10 inch wheels though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 01, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Okay, I'm pretty sure this Mini is indeed black.  ;D    Just popped up on BaT, it's another JDM Mini 998 special edition.

This one was a grade 4 when it went though the Japanese auctions.  That's pretty high and rare grade for a 3 decade old car.   Wonder if bidding on BaT will reflect that?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1990_rover_mini_1567462367d208495dUNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_5c5-620x413.jpg)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 02, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 25, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
Now for something completely different:   A fiberglass Mini on BaT.   It has a Swiftune engine is sure to generate a lot of comments.

The photos don't really emphasize the body differences to a normal metal-body Mini.   Until you see where the tail lights are.  And start looking at all the details. 

Still, not a bad Mini by any means.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mk-iv-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1979_austin_mk_iv_mini_15663950651220b3a7-e1566480429306-940x627.jpg)

Well the green/white one was bid to $17,750 RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 02, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
Seems pretty low to me, I really thought it would be bid higher, but the bidding just died on it the last two days......that's one of the few cars on BaT that I think could have been bought and simply driven.

On the black Japanese spec just listed, I don't think folks realize how much money still needs to be spent even on a "nice" low mile car. With the cones flat in front I'll bet it needs all new suspension bushings, and "while you're in there" upper control arm bearings, ball joints, CV boots and repack, wheel bearing repack.....if you can't do this work yourself, it can amount to several thousand dollars at a Jet Motors or Heritage Garage type places. It also has rust mentioned, and we all know how that can snowball.....even on a nice car that's been well kept.

Two different Inno's on Facebook right now one had a resto 5 years ago, the other is unknown, but both cars look really nice and neither are red for a change. One wants $18,500 the other $25K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 03, 2019, 03:08:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 27, 2019, 06:10:46 AM
So, now there are two black Minis no BaT.   The second one is a Japanese export Mini 1000, and it looks to be in good shape too.  It's been converted to 10" wheels, which I think are the best looking wheel size on a Mini. 

Of course with a 998 engine it may not pull bidders away from the fiberglass Mini with the Swiftune engine.  But it will interesting to see how this car does.  My guess is it will go for the low teens. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-rover-mini-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1988_rover_mini_1567720697cd20849DSC00112-e1569513108336-940x626.jpg)

This one in Canada just sold for $6010.
A good price imo when you consider it sold for $6400 in Japan a while back but it does have a weak 2nd gear synchro on the downshift.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 03, 2019, 03:41:44 PM
My guesstimate on that Mini was way off!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 04, 2019, 08:23:47 AM
I don't know if it's the time of year or what, but there have been a lot of RNM's lately.......and Mini auctions are not seeming to draw as much interest form the general BaT watchers. When I read the comments, there are a number of the same guys posting, and a lot of the bids are either one and done or Miniguy bids.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 04, 2019, 10:04:07 AM
They're all to busy watching and bidding on 90's Japanese nostalgia. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on October 07, 2019, 06:30:03 AM
Dark green , Fiberglass , Swifttune'ed Engine is now on Ebay



https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Austin-Mini-Swiftune/202793104015?hash=item2f3769328f:g:AQQAAOSw1nVdl8ed

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AQQAAOSw1nVdl8ed/s-l1600.jpg)

BUY IT NOW =   $ 34.9K 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 07, 2019, 08:02:09 AM
I wonder if that will work better? It only got to $17K or so on BaT, and I wonder why it didn't do better - it's a really well sorted and rare car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 08, 2019, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 01, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Okay, I'm pretty sure this Mini is indeed black.  ;D    Just popped up on BaT, it's another JDM Mini 998 special edition.

This one was a grade 4 when it went though the Japanese auctions.  That's pretty high and rare grade for a 3 decade old car.   Wonder if bidding on BaT will reflect that?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1990_rover_mini_1567462367d208495dUNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_5c5-620x413.jpg)

Well this one reached $7800 reserve not met.
Not a lot of love shown for this one but imo it should have done better.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 10, 2019, 07:18:43 AM
Another Mini just popped up on BaT:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini-1000/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini-1000/)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1980_austin_mini_1000_1570557311e9d363e2fe1980_austin_mini_1000_1570557287662a67856724MG_0018-1-940x626.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 10, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
sad it's only seen 1000 miles in 12 years. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 10, 2019, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on October 10, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
sad it's only seen 1000 miles in 12 years.

Yup.  Wonder if that's due to it being an automatic?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 10, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
Ugly boot stripes limit your mileage significantly.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 10, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
There are several automatics here, including one who drove up from deep in Texas....adjusted his valves before he left and didn't get one of the nuts tight, it backed completely off and he did most of the trip on 3 cylinders! When he got here the nut was still on top of the head (in the valve cover) so they put it back, reset them and he's been running fine ever since!   ;D

IMHO, that white 998 auto is a $5K car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 12, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 10, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
IMHO, that white 998 auto is a $5K car.

White!?    8.gif.   

And to think you were the guy who called me out on mis-labeling a dark green Mini as black.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 13, 2019, 06:26:54 AM
It looked white on my phone.....   :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 14, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
Well, I think Dan and Dave are going to be paying extra special attention to this BaT auction of a 1974 Innocenti. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-innocenti-mini-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1974_innocenti_mini_1568411171f66e7dff9f98764da7-Red-Mini-outside-LF-1-e1570677009764-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 15, 2019, 01:14:30 AM
That one has been around the web a fair amount.  I have the photo of the vin plate saved to my phone for example when I was doing research.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 15, 2019, 10:41:58 AM
Also on those vin weights it should be curb weight of 610kg and gross weight of 1010kg.  I had our tag reflect that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 15, 2019, 12:52:13 PM
I know this fella too, I have been emailing and messaging with him for a while, I'm going to see if he'll let me know the reserve - I'm just curious.....in the videos it sounds good and seems to run out well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 15, 2019, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 14, 2019, 08:26:11 PM
Well, I think Dan and Dave are going to be paying extra special attention to this BaT auction of a 1974 Innocenti. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-innocenti-mini-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1974_innocenti_mini_1568411171f66e7dff9f98764da7-Red-Mini-outside-LF-1-e1570677009764-940x626.jpg)

That's funny i thought the same thing when i saw the listing.
It looks decent and should do well. It has a few specific Innocenti items missing plus a taped over hole in the dash pad along with a small hole in the headliner.
Definitely a nice driver level car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 15, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Rod change gearbox and pot joints?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on October 15, 2019, 04:28:29 PM
Cold start claim is BS because the temp gauge jumped to over N immediately.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 15, 2019, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 15, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Rod change gearbox and pot joints?

That "might" be correct for a 74.  Our 73 is correct with remote change.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 15, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
I didn't think rod change and pot joints came out till 79 or 80?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 15, 2019, 07:54:58 PM
Rod change started sometime in 73.  Our remote was still used in February of 73.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on October 16, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
Rod change was introduced in January 1973 along with the alternator by most accounts. Pot joints came in April or May of the same year.
Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 17, 2019, 06:34:35 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 10, 2019, 07:18:43 AM
Another Mini just popped up on BaT:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini-1000/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-austin-mini-1000/)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1980_austin_mini_1000_1570557311e9d363e2fe1980_austin_mini_1000_1570557287662a67856724MG_0018-1-940x626.jpg)

This Mini just sold for $6600 with the seller offering a manual engine/gearbox package deal with most of the conversion parts needed for an extra $2500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 17, 2019, 06:39:35 AM
Just noticed the buyer is in California, that will put a wrench in getting it registered unless he uses his Montana business to do it ;-)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 17, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Yes, but he wants $2500 for the stick package and all....plus the auction fee of about $330. For a car with rust, dents and a tired interior.

I think this one might be coming back up for sale after the buyer finds he can't reg it in Ca....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 17, 2019, 04:45:25 PM
Yes i agree for $9500 to $10,000 you could find a decent Mini, maybe not in California with the high prices they seem to demand there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 17, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
Good poimt....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 06:15:41 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Yes, but he wants $2500 for the stick package and all....plus the auction fee of about $330. For a car with rust, dents and a tired interior.

I think this one might be coming back up for sale after the buyer finds he can't reg it in Ca....

You may be right Dave. The buyer posted after the sale and apparently he recently moved from CT to CA and did not know of the stricter classic car regulations.
It pays to do your homework.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2019, 07:27:20 AM
.....or live out here in the sticks where they don't care so much what you drive!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 06:15:41 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Yes, but he wants $2500 for the stick package and all....plus the auction fee of about $330. For a car with rust, dents and a tired interior.

I think this one might be coming back up for sale after the buyer finds he can't reg it in Ca....

You may be right Dave. The buyer posted after the sale and apparently he recently moved from CT to CA and did not know of the stricter classic car regulations.
It pays to do your homework.

I'm kinda shocked a car enthusiast would not know of California's very onerous vehicle registration laws.  It's quite a paradox with CA having such a major car culture yet at the same time such an anti-car state government.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: BruceK on October 18, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 06:15:41 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 17, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Yes, but he wants $2500 for the stick package and all....plus the auction fee of about $330. For a car with rust, dents and a tired interior.

I think this one might be coming back up for sale after the buyer finds he can't reg it in Ca....

You may be right Dave. The buyer posted after the sale and apparently he recently moved from CT to CA and did not know of the stricter classic car regulations.
It pays to do your homework.

I'm kinda shocked a car enthusiast would not know of California's very onerous vehicle registration laws.  It's quite a paradox with CA having such a major car culture yet at the same time such an anti-car state government.

What gets me is the fact that the year be it 1968 or 1975 (depending on who you talk to and which DMV you are using) is a cut off date not a roll over one.
So basically 50 years from now there could be a lot less classics on the road there, of course a lot of us Mini owners will be gone by then just like the Model T's owners whose cars are worth more as a Hot Rod than an original due to the population that drove them as a kid no longer being around.
There are ways around be it legal or illegal and there are a certain number of registrations available each year for one off special builds.
Living there would not be my cup of tea for sure.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 18, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
Meanwhile, MiniGuy is top bidder on the Innocenti.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 18, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
Meanwhile, MiniGuy is top bidder on the Innocenti.....

I believe he does that to keep his name out there for free advertising, that or he is the most unluckiest bidder in over 130 cars he has never won one ;0
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 18, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 18, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
Meanwhile, MiniGuy is top bidder on the Innocenti.....

I believe he does that to keep his name out there for free advertising, that or he is the most unluckiest bidder in over 130 cars he has never won one ;0

Yeah I agree.  I wonder if he'd like it if BaT posted references to themselves all over his website?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 21, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
Not a lot of interest Inno went RNM at 15k.  It was $11750 with 2 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 22, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
I think that car was a very nice driver level car, I'm not sure but that $15K maybe was the right price for it.....I'll chat with him in the next few days and see what he decided to do......

There's another one on Ebay that Dan and I have been watching - the guy posts three not very good pics and virtually no info and must have a fairly high reserve - he just relists it again and again.

There's also the twin to the BaT car for sale on Facebook, it's in Italy for 11,750 Euros, time you convert that to $$ and ship it to the east coast, you'd be in it $15K easy.

That might be the market for driver level Inno's at this time.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 22, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
The Ebay inno has never gotten 1 bid either!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 22, 2019, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 22, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
I think that car was a very nice driver level car, I'm not sure but that $15K maybe was the right price for it.....I'll chat with him in the next few days and see what he decided to do......

There's another one on Ebay that Dan and I have been watching - the guy posts three not very good pics and virtually no info and must have a fairly high reserve - he just relists it again and again.

There's also the twin to the BaT car for sale on Facebook, it's in Italy for 11,750 Euros, time you convert that to $$ and ship it to the east coast, you'd be in it $15K easy.

That might be the market for driver level Inno's at this time.....

I think $15k was a decent price considering some of the specific to innocenti parts were no longer on the car along with the well worn looking seats and change of color re paint.
The one in Italy with what seems all the correct parts for roughly the same amount of money looks in much better condition imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 22, 2019, 02:13:58 PM
I thought it might be too, but tough to tell from just a few pics......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 28, 2019, 08:26:36 AM
Decent driver level Island Blue / white early MK II Cooper S for sale on BaT.
Claims to be the second MK II S built with the first going to S Africa?
Looks like a decent older restoration but the floors look a little dented and wavy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 28, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
Another Mini on BaT.......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-cooper/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-cooper/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 28, 2019, 04:46:23 PM
Judging by the flat home made sills and patched rear sub frame and other miscellaneous welding it looks like it has been used for quite a few Canadian winters.
If you are doing a bare shell re build with new panels and with all parts available on the internet why would you skimp on these important parts?
Quite an impressive air box set up on the twin carbs.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 01, 2019, 05:33:05 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 28, 2019, 08:26:36 AM
Decent driver level Island Blue / white early MK II Cooper S for sale on BaT.
Claims to be the second MK II S built with the first going to S Africa?
Looks like a decent older restoration but the floors look a little dented and wavy.

This S sold for$36k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 01, 2019, 05:35:25 PM
New Mini listing on BaT today a Mk III lhd from Portugal nicely restored 998.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 04, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
That wild metallic green Mini on BaT went RNM at $10K.....I think that was a little light for the car as it was in decent shape.....and that color would certainly show well!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 04, 2019, 02:42:43 PM
It takes a certain buyer for that colour.
There is a nice mostly original 67 Cooper S with all original panels currently at $17k on BaT, that is the way to buy one imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 04, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
I agree, but there's no way that S will go for $17,500.......still, it's a non original engine and trans in the S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 04, 2019, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 04, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
I agree, but there's no way that S will go for $17,500.......still, it's a non original engine and trans in the S.

No comparison and the S will probably do in the $30k range.
The Portuguese Mini looks clean and we'll sorted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 07, 2019, 11:24:53 AM
The S sold for $36K.....a good result considering it didn't have the original engine or trans.

The orange Portuguese 998 is now at $10,750 - if you add the $3500 for shipping and the BaT fee, that seems like the top of the market for a 998, even if it is well sorted.

This Cooper S looks incredibly solid and original - except for the front seats - which are period correct.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-austion-cooper-s/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 07, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
The orange Potueguese Mini closed at $10,750 a no sale reserve not met.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 07, 2019, 02:19:29 PM
Like I said, by the time you factor in the cost to get it here, it was already at the top of its value as a 998. Which is both good and bad news - the bad being that they should be worth more, the good being that it's a really good buy as there's little difference between one and a 1275 in most people's driving.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 08, 2019, 03:57:44 PM
The white/black original S just sold for $29,250, i think that was a good deal for both parties.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 08, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
I think in many ways that was a better resto candidate than the other one that sold for more....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 08, 2019, 09:10:19 PM
Another Cooper S on BaT..... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 09, 2019, 09:16:31 AM
Looks like there are some questions about its Heritage.
Decent looking car but with a new vin plate and a missing engine number and other items it is not worth S money imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 09, 2019, 11:54:45 AM
I am glad I owned an S a long time ago. If I win the lottery tonight, I might think about a 1071.
I realize people on BAT are making comments based on the silly money S types are getting these days. But just surviving 50+ years is amazing.

My 66 S ended up with a MK II binnacle because I ordered a replacement from BMC twice, each order taking about six weeks. Finally I gave up on getting the correct one, took the MK II replacement and drilled some holes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 09, 2019, 01:21:40 PM
There's a guy in Oregon making correct replacements now - Jeff10039 knows him.....

I had a very early 1071 S, German export model, single tank, it was a sweetheart to drive - had dry suspension, no brake booster, TINY disc brakes and ran like a cat that got it's tail stepped on!

BTW, was the S the only Mini that got the 1071 motor?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 09, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Dave,

The 1071 motor was indeed only in the Mini as an 'S' motor as far as I know.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 09, 2019, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 09, 2019, 01:21:40 PM
There's a guy in Oregon making correct replacements now - Jeff10039 knows him.....

This was 45 years ago when the only place you could order those from was BMC. I don't even think Mini City carried those.

I have ordered the instrument pods from the guys in Bend
https://rhinofabrication.com/product-category/mini-cooper/ (https://rhinofabrication.com/product-category/mini-cooper/)
I even bought a spare!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 09, 2019, 08:21:29 PM
That's the guys!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on November 11, 2019, 12:49:21 PM
This car has a very original 1959/1960 body shell. The windshield and rear window are not inset, the gutter drains are oblong holes and it has no cutouts in the front valance.
Kelley

Quote from: MiniDave on November 08, 2019, 09:10:19 PMAnother Cooper S on BaT..... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
Yeah, WAY too many questions on this one to invest $35-50K blindly. Given the lack of participation by the seller, I'm pretty sure this one is going RNM. At this point I don't know what the seller can say in defense of the car - too many people like Kelley know these cars to slide one by......

Too bad BaT doesn't have a way to vet these cars out before listing them, too many people on that site have intimate and accurate knowledge of these cars to fool anyone.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 14, 2019, 05:14:42 PM
Now there is a Austin Mini beach car up for auction.
The last one sold for $181,500 at Bonhams so this one of 15 being a one family owned and about 95% correct should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 14, 2019, 05:20:10 PM
And I thought Wayne Carini was nuts to pay $60K for a Fiat Jolly!   :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on November 15, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
That beach car is amazing.. Kinda wonder how 13 or so built examples actually traded hands...  or in this case the dealer owner kept for himself...


What a great car to highlight and catalog date codes with.
  Ignition switch, Dip Switch ,  wiper motor, trunk latch   and more.. just for reference..

This will be a crazy watch ... Very unique car.. but will require VERY unique buyers.. and a Bonhams / Big acuction house.. Do they bring the buyers   or can BAT bring the big buyer here....

Miniguy is on the case!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 17, 2019, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 11, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
Yeah, WAY too many questions on this one to invest $35-50K blindly. Given the lack of participation by the seller, I'm pretty sure this one is going RNM. At this point I don't know what the seller can say in defense of the car - too many people like Kelley know these cars to slide one by......

Too bad BaT doesn't have a way to vet these cars out before listing them, too many people on that site have intimate and accurate knowledge of these cars to fool anyone.

Yes the green/white S got to $21k RNM.
I don't know where that car with a non original shell will be worth any more money, that vin number is on the internet now for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 17, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
Two more Classic Minis have popped up on BaT.....one a very nice 67/68 Cooper S and the second a 93 Italian Job.....however, I thought all the IJ's were 998's?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 17, 2019, 08:03:33 PM
I have only owned one IJ it looked stock and it was a 1275.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 22, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 17, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
Two more Classic Minis have popped up on BaT.....one a very nice 67/68 Cooper S and the second a 93 Italian Job.....however, I thought all the IJ's were 998's?

No, the Italian Job arrived after Rover discontinued the 998 and moved all Minis to the 1275 engine.  Coincided with the effective relaunch of the mainstream Cooper model following the success of the nostalgic limited run RSP Cooper.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 23, 2019, 03:24:27 PM
The Italian Job Mini sold at $13250 which I thought was a good price.
The white Cooper S sold for $19,670 which i thought would be RNM and also thought it was a bargain.
There is a nice Innocenti T Estate and another 67 Cooper S bitsa on BaT currently.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 26, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on November 14, 2019, 05:14:42 PM
Now there is a Austin Mini beach car up for auction.
The last one sold for $181,500 at Bonhams so this one of 15 being a one family owned and about 95% correct should do well.

Well the Austin Mini beach car just sold for a whopping $230,000 amazing !!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 26, 2019, 12:47:09 PM
Holy crap on a cracker!  :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 26, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
New World record.
The last one which was fully restored sold for $184,500 at Bonhams in 2014.
This one was not restored and BaT caps their auction fees at $5k so it did a lot better.
I wonder what the reserve was?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 30, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
Well two more rnm Minis.
The red "S" did $14k plenty of money for what it was imo.
The nice Innocenti T wagon did $13,800 the 850cc engine held it back.
Now onto the green 67 S currently offered with some patina but all there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 30, 2019, 10:01:22 PM
I never thought that red one should have been listed with a non-matching vin - and engine, and transmission, and on and on......

I agree, 850's just don't do so well on BaT......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Dmulder on December 01, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
The green 67 S belongs to an acquaintance of mine. Guy is a real car guy and the mini has been well cared for.  I've personally seen this car. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 08, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
The almond green S was a no sale and rnm at $20,250.
With the rust repairs and other maintenance needed I would have thought $20k would have bought it, patina and originality are one thing but when it comes to rust a lot of buyers are scared away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 08, 2019, 10:17:04 PM
Yeah, I wonder what he thought it would bring....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 10, 2019, 08:03:08 AM
There is a red woody estate on BaT now with some decent upgrades 998A+ engine and servo assisted disc brakes.
It needs a few maintenance items but has been in Japan and California for close to 30 years so no visible rust or rust repairs.
It seems the estates are not doing that well lately it will be interesting to see how it does.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 12, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Another 93 red saloon on BaT right now in Ohio. It has over sills and maybe a front end that has been replaced, looks by the number plates it may have been previously registered in Ireland.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 19, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 10, 2019, 08:03:08 AM
There is a red woody estate on BaT now with some decent upgrades 998A+ engine and servo assisted disc brakes.
It needs a few maintenance items but has been in Japan and California for close to 30 years so no visible rust or rust repairs.
It seems the estates are not doing that well lately it will be interesting to see how it does.

The woody only did $10k with a rnm.
To be fair it looked like a lot more car than $10k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 19, 2019, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 12, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
Another 93 red saloon on BaT right now in Ohio. It has over sills and maybe a front end that has been replaced, looks by the number plates it may have been previously registered in Ireland.

The red saloon only did $7,200 maybe the over sills and general underneath pictures did not help along with what Dave mentioned the lack of owner participation in the auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 19, 2019, 11:47:08 AM
That red 93 was a 1275 too, usually the 998 motor cars don't seem to bring the money. Seems like the market - at least on BaT - is getting wise to the issues on classic Minis and won't tolerate anything but a pristine, well documented 1275 or a Cooper S Mk1.

The fact that the owner only made ONE comment the whole week that 93 was on BaT did not help IMHO.....I think folks start thinking the lack or responses means the owner is hiding something and trying to slide one by. Chances are they're right.....

I wonder if being this close to the holidays is having an effect too?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 21, 2019, 08:55:26 AM
The beige 1980 998 auto Mini that sold for $6600 a couple of months ago on BaT is re listed, the winning bidder lives in California and did not do his homework and subsequently decided not to follow through on the sale.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Yeah, I remember that one, he was asking if it would be able to register in Ca AFTER he bought it! Automatic but he had a stick and 1275 he would throw in for an extra $2500....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: kcmini on December 22, 2019, 12:13:26 PM
https://www.britishtransportationmuseum.org/ (https://www.britishtransportationmuseum.org/)

come up and drive the 93
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 22, 2019, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 21, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Yeah, I remember that one, he was asking if it would be able to register in Ca AFTER he bought it! Automatic but he had a stick and 1275 he would throw in for an extra $2500....

I asked if the engine and manual box were include this time and he is including them, it seems to have helped as the auction was up to $5500 last time I looked.
I don't understand why it was not in the write up as there is not much love out there for a 998 automatic.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 27, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 22, 2019, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 21, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Yeah, I remember that one, he was asking if it would be able to register in Ca AFTER he bought it! Automatic but he had a stick and 1275 he would throw in for an extra $2500....

I asked if the engine and manual box were include this time and he is including them, it seems to have helped as the auction was up to $5500 last time I looked.
I don't understand why it was not in the write up as there is not much love out there for a 998 automatic.

Well it closed and sold for $6,900 which was $300 more than the last time it supposedly sold to the non paying CA bidder.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 09, 2020, 02:20:02 PM
A decent looking 1994 SPI LHD Mini for sale on BaT. It is a fresh import from Italy and looks remarkably rust free.
With the LHD it should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 09, 2020, 02:29:48 PM
$13,250 for that little red wagon was a pretty good deal IMHO, wonder where it went? Sold to a guy who only joined to bid on this car and won it with one bid!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 09, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 09, 2020, 02:29:48 PM
$13,250 for that little red wagon was a pretty good deal IMHO, wonder where it went? Sold to a guy who only joined to bid on this car and won it with one bid!

Hmmmm...  I suppose that's possible, but it seems suspicious. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 09, 2020, 03:56:48 PM
Yeah, but if he's a shill it cost him 5% plus the $100 list fee.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
A late model Cooper is now on BaT.   Not a super exciting color, but it is LHD and has the SPI engine.   Built in England, imported from Italy, registered in Vermont, and located in New Jersey.  That's a lot of locations.  Seems to be an engaged and responsive seller, so that's always a good sign.

Wonder how this Mini will do...?   My guess is bid to low-teens.  Maybe $13K?

MiniGuy continues his half-hearted bidding routine on this car.  He's now bid on 156 (!) different cars, and has never won an auction.  That's an awful lot of times at bat (pun intended) only to strike out each and every time.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mini-cooper/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1994_mini_cooper_15784232818db7e804b64dbb6IMG_0172-940x627.jpg)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on January 10, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
Miniguy  = just a thought.... when you BID on a car... I think  -- not positive but you're  put into notifications about that auction ... this way he can put in a number.. and remain informed about cars as they are selling... this in every way can help him track what cars are doing on BAT site on the regular...

not to mention his own business intentions to track values for sale recommendations across the board.. He's not trying to buy any . jsut remain in contact about cars for sale.

( he contacted me incessantly about my pickup... . had to ignore him as i dont want to sell)  sort of annoying.
    he als Skoffed at Jeff's mini (66 Cooper s) == and it sold for what Jeff wanted $50K....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: jedduh01 on January 10, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
Miniguy  = just a thought.... when you BID on a car... I think  -- not positive but you're  put into notifications about that auction ... this way he can put in a number.. and remain informed about cars as they are selling... this in every way can help him track what cars are doing on BAT site on the regular...


Interesting theory.  I believe the same notification can be accomplished with just adjusting settings on BaT, with no need to make half-a** bids.  Or, you can just search for the word "Mini" on BaT home page and follow the results to see all the historical Mini auction results, car by car. 

Also available is this very nice Mini auction winning price chart on this page:  https://bringatrailer.com/mini/classic-mini/ , (although the incredible selling price of $230K for the Mini beach car makes all the lesser auction prices jumbled together at the bottom a little difficult to read).



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
On a non-Mini subject, a bent up piece of crusty old trunk lid just sold for $11,500 on BaT.   8.gif     


Off a significant car? Could be, hard to tell, nobody knows   

Racing history? maybe, or could have been from reversing into another car in the parking lot, nobody knows 

Tinged with potential weepy-eyed nostalgia?  yes, that's it

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/alloy-cobra-trunk-lid/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/157720605766e7dff9f98764daIMG_20191123_183415709-620x465.jpg)

I've got a strong feeling this particular scene from the Ford v Ferrari movie heavily influenced bidding on this auction.   ;D






Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 10, 2020, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: jedduh01 on January 10, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
Miniguy  = just a thought.... when you BID on a car... I think  -- not positive but you're  put into notifications about that auction ... this way he can put in a number.. and remain informed about cars as they are selling... this in every way can help him track what cars are doing on BAT site on the regular...


Interesting theory.  I believe the same notification can be accomplished with just adjusting settings on BaT, with no need to make half-a** bids.  Or, you can just search for the word "Mini" on BaT home page and follow the results to see all the historical Mini auction results, car by car. 

Also available is this very nice Mini auction winning price chart on this page:  https://bringatrailer.com/mini/classic-mini/ , (although the incredible selling price of $230K for the Mini beach car makes all the lesser auction prices jumbled together at the bottom a little difficult to read).

I believe his constant low bidding is just a way of self promotion for his brokering of Mini's he has no intention of buying one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: G67mcs on January 11, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
regarding miniguy, I believe your theory is correct. He bids on cars to remain a viable option to the seller if it doesn't sell on BaT. I noted the something after reviewing his large bid history. Believe he used to work for BaT prior to the auction days.

Garry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 11, 2020, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
On a non-Mini subject, a bent up piece of crusty old trunk lid just sold for $11,500 on BaT.   8.gif     


Off a significant car? Could be, hard to tell, nobody knows   

Racing history? maybe, or could have been from reversing into another car in the parking lot, nobody knows 

Tinged with potential weepy-eyed nostalgia?  yes, that's it

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/alloy-cobra-trunk-lid/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/157720605766e7dff9f98764daIMG_20191123_183415709-620x465.jpg)

I've got a strong feeling this particular scene from the Ford v Ferrari movie heavily influenced bidding on this auction.   ;D




Or the new buyer may quote "this is the trunk lid from the Shelby Cobra movie car in  Ford V Ferrari".
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2020, 03:29:16 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 10, 2020, 02:27:30 PM

Wonder how this Mini will do...?   My guess is bid to low-teens.  Maybe $13K?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mini-cooper/


Lucky guess - it just sold for $13,150.   It was a Mini that had no real issues and no controversy. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 15, 2020, 03:57:29 PM
Looks like it was a nice solid SPi, so it sold for a good price....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 15, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Yes it was a fair price for a straight Mini.
There is a 70's Canadian Mini for sale on BaT now with a Mini Comp1380 and disc brakes.
It needs a few things mainly removing the ugly CA bumpers and 10 inch golf cart tires.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 22, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 15, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Yes it was a fair price for a straight Mini.
There is a 70's Canadian Mini for sale on BaT now with a Mini Comp 1380 and disc brakes.
It needs a few things mainly removing the ugly CA bumpers and 10 inch golf cart tires.

The Canadian Mini sold at $9700. I thought it would be RNM a good buy imo for a 1380 Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
Yes, prices seem to have settled back from the craziness of last summer although I think sought after cars like the very early cars and Mk1 Cooper S will still bring a premium.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 22, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 15, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Yes it was a fair price for a straight Mini.
There is a 70's Canadian Mini for sale on BaT now with a Mini Comp 1380 and disc brakes.
It needs a few things mainly removing the ugly CA bumpers and 10 inch golf cart tires.

The Canadian Mini sold at $9700. I thought it would be RNM a good buy imo for a 1380 Mini.

The engine was nice, but there were so glaring negatives on that car that I fell hurt it.  To wit:  super-ugly Canadian-spec bumpers, super-ugly Canadian side marker lights, and who the hell thinks it is a good idea to install unsafe golf cart tires on a car to be driven on public streets?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 23, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
Now there is a Choke electric Moke for sale on BaT.
I can't remember the price offhand but remember the last one that sold did quite well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 25, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
And now there is a real Moke on BaT too.  Kinda stock but with massive Kenworth-sized 'roo bars.

I suspect this Moke will go for a bid in the low twenties.   But who knows?  It sort of has competition - for some bidders - with the electric Moke of the same color also on BaT right now.  It really depends on whether a buyer would be satisfied with a low-speed Moke-like electric thing with no maintenance as a little runabout, or wants an authentic gas-powered Moke that goes a lot faster, handles better, but must be maintained. 

Here's the real Moke: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-6/

Here's the golf cart electric Moke with a 25 mph top speed:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-acg-mini-moke-electric/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1967_austin_mini_moke_1579817157a6d8330399e24dCDE1B0D9-F618-44A7-899C-7EFE71A99AD8-940x627.jpeg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2017_acg_mini_moke_electric_1579744503ed5cb1de8eb1a5A-Main-1-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 27, 2020, 06:33:56 PM
And now another Mini has shown up on BaT.    This one is a bit of a world traveler:  Born in England, sold in Japan, exported later to Canada, then it came into the US.   But that is not necessarily good news, because it was later sent packing and now it's stuck out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii.  The Hawaii location is going to make bidding on this car just a little unattractive to potential US mainland buyers I think.

It's been converted to LHD (too bad) and it's got a enviable ownership record having belonged to Jeremy Thorpe of Jet Motors as well as several IMSA drivers, so I bet it is very well sorted and quick.

However, this Mini is hard to look at because it is chock full of tchotchkes and needs a serious visual cleanup IMO. 

My guessimate, taking into account the positive of a built engine and the negative of the Hawaii location is that this Mini will be bid to the mid-teens. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-cooper/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1991_rover_mini_cooper_john_cooper_works_15799008836f7ebd598f3c19IMG_1491-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 28, 2020, 11:46:09 AM
Yes the LHD will help the bidding for some folks I agree rhd is the way to go but everyone are different.
It sounds good in the drive by video but is running a 3.9 FD (owner was going to autocross it) so it will be a screamer at 60 mph.
It looks like a very well sorted car built in a rust free Japanese shell.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 30, 2020, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 25, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
And now there is a real Moke on BaT too.  Kinda stock but with massive Kenworth-sized 'roo bars.

I suspect this Moke will go for a bid in the low twenties.   But who knows?  It sort of has competition - for some bidders - with the electric Moke of the same color also on BaT right now.  It really depends on whether a buyer would be satisfied with a low-speed Moke-like electric thing with no maintenance as a little runabout, or wants an authentic gas-powered Moke that goes a lot faster, handles better, but must be maintained. 

Here's the real Moke: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-6/

Here's the golf cart electric Moke with a 25 mph top speed:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2017-acg-mini-moke-electric/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1967_austin_mini_moke_1579817157a6d8330399e24dCDE1B0D9-F618-44A7-899C-7EFE71A99AD8-940x627.jpeg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2017_acg_mini_moke_electric_1579744503ed5cb1de8eb1a5A-Main-1-940x626.jpg)

The 25 mph electric AGC Moke sold today for $12,750, a lot cheaper than previous ones but considering they are $17 to $18k new it seems enough imo for a 2017 model.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
And the real Moke goes off tomorrow, just under $16K right now....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 30, 2020, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 27, 2020, 06:33:56 PM
And now another Mini has shown up on BaT.    This one is a bit of a world traveler:  Born in England, sold in Japan, exported later to Canada, then it came into the US.   But that is not necessarily good news, because it was later sent packing and now it's stuck out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii.  The Hawaii location is going to make bidding on this car just a little unattractive to potential US mainland buyers I think.

It's been converted to LHD (too bad) and it's got a enviable ownership record having belonged to Jeremy Thorpe of Jet Motors as well as several IMSA drivers, so I bet it is very well sorted and quick.

However, this Mini is hard to look at because it is chock full of tchotchkes and needs a serious visual cleanup IMO. 

My guessimate, taking into account the positive of a built engine and the negative of the Hawaii location is that this Mini will be bid to the mid-teens. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-cooper/


It's already at $15K with 3 days left, so my initial guess was way off.  My new guess is $20K.   

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 31, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
I'm surprised its going for that much money when it's in Hawaii, but he got a deal to get it to Sandy Eggo at least.

The real Moke went for $23K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 31, 2020, 06:41:21 PM
If you were paying someone to build a Moke for you I think it would be hard to do correctly for under $23k.
Anyway you look at it I would rather spend $23k on a real Moke compared to an electric Choke for $12k plus.
It looked relatively rust free just the usual small patching around the battery box area and the front panel was replaced which a lot of Mokes seem to get a new one when being restored they are flimsy at best.
Even at $23k though based on the comments it still needed a top, correct cushions, and UK bumpers.

I am surprised the red autocross Mini in Hawaii is doing as well as it is at $15k.
The good shipping price to California helps but there is no way it is getting registered there being a 92 model.
The 3.9 FD in it is for auto crossing and in 4th gear at 4000 rev's you will be doing 56 mph, it is not a long distance highway car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 03, 2020, 10:47:57 PM
Well Bruce, your intuition was good, it got bid to $19,800 and did not sell.....Maybe $20K would have done it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 05, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Now there is a 67 Tinnie Countryman on BaT.
It looks decent but has over sills and some weird crossmember bolted on the sub frame under the diff/gearbox.
Nice wood wheel, rokee dash and disc brakes with 60's alloy wheels.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 07, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on February 05, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Now there is a 67 Tinnie Countryman on BaT.
It looks decent but has over sills and some weird crossmember bolted on the sub frame under the diff/gearbox.
Nice wood wheel, rokee dash and disc brakes with 60's alloy wheels.

Here's a link to that Mini.  With an 850 and being a tin wagon rather than a woody (nothing against the wood-less Mini estates, I used to own one) I think this Mini will be bid up to the low teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-3/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1967_austin_mini_countryman_158048082430399e24d0617191222a_HDR-940x626.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 07, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
According to a commenter it has been for sale on Craigslist for a long time, maybe she has/had it overpriced.
I too don't care either way on the wood kit but I think the 850 will hold it back.
Wagons have not been doing that great on BaT lately.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 11, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 07, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on February 05, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Now there is a 67 Tinnie Countryman on BaT.
It looks decent but has over sills and some weird crossmember bolted on the sub frame under the diff/gearbox.
Nice wood wheel, rokee dash and disc brakes with 60's alloy wheels.

Here's a link to that Mini.  With an 850 and being a tin wagon rather than a woody (nothing against the wood-less Mini estates, I used to own one) I think this Mini will be bid up to the low teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-3/


Spot on!  It sold for $13,850.  And the cool thing is that a previous owner of the Mini bought it back!  Like re-establishing a relationship with an old girlfriend!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 11, 2020, 03:26:11 PM
yeah......rarely a good idea with a girlfriend.....but a Mini might be OK.

I wonder how the purchase price with buyers premium ($14,500)  compares to what he sold it for?

Wow, going back to Alaska from New York, one helluva trip!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 11, 2020, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 11, 2020, 03:26:11 PM
yeah......rarely a good idea with a girlfriend.....

That was my exact thought when I had a chance to buy my 07 back.  Looked like the 80k added after me had been rough. It's at a good home still in the metroplex and I did call dibs if he sells it. Even though by then it could be thoroughly worn out.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 14, 2020, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 11, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 07, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on February 05, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
Now there is a 67 Tinnie Countryman on BaT.
It looks decent but has over sills and some weird crossmember bolted on the sub frame under the diff/gearbox.
Nice wood wheel, rokee dash and disc brakes with 60's alloy wheels.

Here's a link to that Mini.  With an 850 and being a tin wagon rather than a woody (nothing against the wood-less Mini estates, I used to own one) I think this Mini will be bid up to the low teens.

Yes you were on the money.

I thought that was a good selling price considering what Estate's have been bringing lately.
As this one was an 850 with over sills I didn't think it would sell well, but as the old owner bought it back maybe he did all the repairs and did it right.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-countryman-3/


Spot on!  It sold for $13,850.  And the cool thing is that a previous owner of the Mini bought it back!  Like re-establishing a relationship with an old girlfriend!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 26, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
A woody is on offer over at BaT.   It's been given a 'rally-inspired' treatment and looks to be in pretty good shape.  I'm not a fan of the rally stuff, but somebody spent some time outfitting the car in that direction.

My guess, barring any controversy, is this puppy will be bid up to the high teens.  But who knows? Not everyone who wants a Mini is looking for an estate version, so it could suffer from that. 

What do you guys think?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-morris-mini-traveller-1275/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1962_mini_countryman_158243228249ebcf8b75fe8d2IMG_20190705_153046-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 27, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
It looks confused.  Rally car?  Family vacation traveler?  Fender mirrors? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 08:46:32 AM
I'll bet the reserve is at least $20K and it won't make it.....

However, it is a really nice little woody, I think I might like to have another wagon as long as it's LHD....I might even consider another Clubby
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 27, 2020, 09:15:06 AM
That looks like Paul Streiby's (sp) Traveller that he was trying to sell for $25k for a long time, I guess he sold or traded it as the seller is an Illinois dealer.

It has some nice goodies along with a 1293cc built S engine so it should do well.
Based on the Mini Estates that have been for sale lately they are not doing as well as they used to but as it is on BaT who knows personally I am thinking it will get close to $20k.

If you read the documentation at the end of the pictures in 1989 the then owner in the UK traded a 1967 Cooper S for the Traveller with some cash, I hope he got a boatload of cash.

You could probably sell off the rally dash and instruments for a decent sum and recoup some money if they are original

I like it overall but not a fan of the rally lighting socket hanging out of the front panel or the white roof or any two tone roof on an Estate but all easily sorted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
I don't mind the roof, but like you I would remove and sell the rallye stuff.

What the heck is that big plug on the front for? The rallye lights? I sure would have done that differently......

All the body and paint work, engine rebuild and so on were done 30 years ago......looks like it hasn't been driven since!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 10:41:34 AM

What the heck is that big plug on the front for? The rallye lights? I sure would have done that differently......


That plug was a feature on a few of the BMC works rally cars.  I think the idea was for a quick change of a whole lighting assembly.   Plug and play! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 27, 2020, 06:02:49 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 10:41:34 AM

What the heck is that big plug on the front for? The rallye lights? I sure would have done that differently......


That plug was a feature on a few of the BMC works rally cars.  I think the idea was for a quick change of a whole lighting assembly.   Plug and play!

I think it was also used so the lights could be removed out of the way with the one connector easily and fast so they could work on them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
Another Mini on BaT.    This Mini has been with the same owner since 1977, and he took it off the road in 1978.  In the ensuing 43 years he never got around to actually getting it road-worthy.  Talk about procrastination!  So it is a project waiting for a new owner.

Being a 1071 Cooper S, it has rarity going for it.  And BaT has convinced the seller to go NO RESERVE.   But in true BaT fashion, the trailer shown below is not included in the sale so it will be necessary for the auction winner to... ____________ a ___________________!

My wild ass guess is this collection of parts will go for the low teens.  But who knows?  Even though it is a Cooper S, there is so much work involved in  actually assembling everything into a running car. And I think that is gonna hurt the bids.  People want to go driving!   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1964_austin_cooper_s_1582577023363e2feWhole_Package-940x626.jpeg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on February 27, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
It looks confused.  Rally car?  Family vacation traveler?  Fender mirrors?

Fender mirrors were a Mini "thing" back in the 1960s - my Morris Mini Traveller had them when I pulled it out of a barn in the late 1980s.  Of course I got rid of 'em when I re-did the car because unless you are going all 1970s on some flashy JDM models, they just don't look right, do they?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 27, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
And that collection of parts already had a higher bid than a fully sorted complete and driving little red wagon...what the heck?

The little wagon has since surged ahead but....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 28, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
Quote from: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
Another Mini on BaT.    This Mini has been with the same owner since 1977, and he took it off the road in 1978.  In the ensuing 43 years he never got around to actually getting it road-worthy.  Talk about procrastination!  So it is a project waiting for a new owner.

Being a 1071 Cooper S, it has rarity going for it.  And BaT has convinced the seller to go NO RESERVE.   But in true BaT fashion, the trailer shown below is not included in the sale so it will be necessary for the auction winner to... ____________ a ___________________!

My wild ass guess is this collection of parts will go for the low teens.  But who knows?  Even though it is a Cooper S, there is so much work involved in  actually assembling everything into a running car. And I think that is gonna hurt the bids.  People want to go driving!





 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1964_austin_cooper_s_1582577023363e2feWhole_Package-940x626.jpeg)


This 1071 S is worth more in the UK than here and I would not be surprised if it ended up there.

The "work" that has been done is to a very low standard and imo it needs to be re done with the correct parts.
If anyone wants to know why over sills are a nightmare just look at the ones on this Mini covering all the old rust up.

That being said there does not seem to be too much other rust on the car but it needs to be stripped to bare metal and then the horrors may reveal themselves.

I am thinking mid teens maybe a little more.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 28, 2020, 09:44:54 AM
Quote from: Whee on February 27, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on February 27, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
It looks confused.  Rally car?  Family vacation traveler?  Fender mirrors?

Fender mirrors were a Mini "thing" back in the 1960s - my Morris Mini Traveller had them when I pulled it out of a barn in the late 1980s.  Of course I got rid of 'em when I re-did the car because unless you are going all 1970s on some flashy JDM models, they just don't look right, do they?

I don't like the look, but I do find them very usable. You don't need to turn your head to use the wing mirrors.

If I drive a Mini with wing mirrors I install a clip on wide angle curved interior mirror and an over taker mirror that clips onto the a panel/wing seam at head height then I feel comfortable.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 28, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 28, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
That's how my wife drives lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 28, 2020, 08:53:41 PM
Quote from: Whee on February 27, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on February 27, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
It looks confused.  Rally car?  Family vacation traveler?  Fender mirrors?

Fender mirrors were a Mini "thing" back in the 1960s - my Morris Mini Traveller had them when I pulled it out of a barn in the late 1980s.  Of course I got rid of 'em when I re-did the car because unless you are going all 1970s on some flashy JDM models, they just don't look right, do they?

I don't like the look, but I do find them very usable. You don't need to turn your head to use the wing mirrors.

Fender mirrors were such a 'thing' in the UK that many, many decades after they long disappeared on all new cars, the Brits still refer to all side mirrors as "wing mirrors" even though they are nowhere near the front wings now.     That's lasting power!   ;D

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 29, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Interesting I always thought it was a jdm thing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2020, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on February 29, 2020, 08:45:24 PM
Interesting I always thought it was a jdm thing.

I think the JDM fender mirrors were due to local legislation there and mostly just during the 1970s. 

Edit: more than you ever want to know: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/11/18/reference/fender-mirrors/#.Xlvpv8BMGEc
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 04, 2020, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 26, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
A woody is on offer over at BaT.   It's been given a 'rally-inspired' treatment and looks to be in pretty good shape.  I'm not a fan of the rally stuff, but somebody spent some time outfitting the car in that direction.

My guess, barring any controversy, is this puppy will be bid up to the high teens.  But who knows? Not everyone who wants a Mini is looking for an estate version, so it could suffer from that. 

What do you guys think?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-morris-mini-traveller-1275/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1962_mini_countryman_158243228249ebcf8b75fe8d2IMG_20190705_153046-940x627.jpg)

You were close the Traveller did $18250 with RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 05, 2020, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 27, 2020, 07:38:12 PM
Another Mini on BaT.    This Mini has been with the same owner since 1977, and he took it off the road in 1978.  In the ensuing 43 years he never got around to actually getting it road-worthy.  Talk about procrastination!  So it is a project waiting for a new owner.

Being a 1071 Cooper S, it has rarity going for it.  And BaT has convinced the seller to go NO RESERVE.   But in true BaT fashion, the trailer shown below is not included in the sale so it will be necessary for the auction winner to... ____________ a ___________________!

My wild ass guess is this collection of parts will go for the low teens.  But who knows?  Even though it is a Cooper S, there is so much work involved in  actually assembling everything into a running car. And I think that is gonna hurt the bids.  People want to go driving!   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-4/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3Econtent/uploads/2020/02/1964_austin_cooper_s_1582577023363e2feWhole_Package-940x626.jpeg)


Sold for $13,500.

Currently on BaT for sale a 1969 MKII Cooper S in Canada, lots of rust and neglect but all there including the hydrolastic suspension, twin HS 4's and even the brake servo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 05, 2020, 05:05:20 PM
Cool. Two on-target estimates this week.  Time for me to buy a lottery ticket.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 05, 2020, 11:14:56 PM
Yes you are on a roll lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2020, 12:47:55 PM
There's another Mini Cooper S project car on BaT.  This one is a Mk. II and it has some battles going on with the tin worm, and it is losing. 

No Heritage Certificate because the seller thought nobody would want to see a certificate that has his name on it.  50.gif   D'oh!

Unlike the project Cooper from last week, this one is a running, assembled car that now needs to be disassembled and put right.  ;D     

There could be some overseas interest, but my wild guess is bidding on this could go over $20K, especially if somebody already has a bodyshell.  Then again, the rust may keep a lot of people away.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-cooper-s/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1969_austin_cooper_s_15820809186ec4fa56eb1e1fIMG_20191117_130014-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 09, 2020, 02:45:04 PM
As the current bid is so low at $3500 I am guessing it will struggle to get anywhere close to $20k.
Agreed the rust and rattle can red along with fresh undercoating and aluminum floor patches will hold this one back.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 10, 2020, 09:55:30 AM
Now a 62 Mini vtec on BaT in Ohio with bidding already at $9600 one day in.
Has some nice features but is registered on the FE number that got transposed to an FF number by DMV.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
I'm guessing the FE number was used due to modern police and DMV sensibilities.  It's actually welded to the body.    The idea that there's just one VIN plate and it's held on by two little Phillips screws just doesn't compute to them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 10, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 10, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
I'm guessing the FE number was used due to modern police and DMV sensibilities.  It's actually welded to the body.    The idea that there's just one VIN plate and it's held on by two little Phillips screws just doesn't compute to them.

That is what I thought but when I looked at the pics the FE number was moved to the firewall and riveted on with a vin plate beneath it.
I understand why it was moved as usually on Vtec's the front inner wings are cut away at least back to the shock towers, but I can't figure out why they would use that number with a vin number below it unless it was added later which also adds to the confusion.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 12, 2020, 10:14:15 PM
A pretty darn nice Mk. I Cooper S has now appeared on BaT.   

This car is hard to fault - the only negative might be that it is currently in the Netherlands.  The shipping issue may put some people off, but not the kind of people looking for a very nice Mk. I Cooper S and willing to pay for it.  And it is LHD for those people can't be bothered with RHD.

I think this will go north of $35K.   Likely a good bit higher.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-cooper-s-1275/
(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1965_morris_morris_mini_cooper_s_1275_1583510484b4a4d0ffdfIMG_6865-940x627.jpeg)

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1965_morris_morris_mini_cooper_s_1275_15833308035c80891b512acacf7dIMG_6908.jpeg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 12, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
Here's the previously mentioned VTEC Mini on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-7/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1962_austin_mini_cooper_158345653171c976a628c372fpass-front-34-hor-940x626.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 13, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
I think the VTEC might be held back by its interior, all that raw aluminum might appeal to some but not a lot. He did a great job behind that dash tho.....

The red Cooper S will be a good litmus test of the market these days - if it were me I'd be waiting for the current mess to blow over before I tried to sell my car - who should be buying anything right now with the economy on the brink of shutting down for a while? In a couple of months things may be a whole lot cheaper.....sadly.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 13, 2020, 04:29:35 PM
It seems the builder/owner of the Vtec Mini built his own sub frame, it is similar in design to John Mc Gee's in that it uses all stock Mini suspension and brakes if wanted.
I am not a fan of the dash either but with some black vinyl and maybe carbon fiber look wrap or some brushed aluminum it would look a whole lot better, I do like the way it hinges with all the wiring and relays labelled right there behind the dash very neat and tidy.

The 65 Tartan red/black LHD Italian market S that is still running on hydrolastic suspension is very nice and not overly restored it should do really well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 13, 2020, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 07, 2020, 12:47:55 PM
There's another Mini Cooper S project car on BaT.  This one is a Mk. II and it has some battles going on with the tin worm, and it is losing. 

No Heritage Certificate because the seller thought nobody would want to see a certificate that has his name on it.  50.gif   D'oh!

Unlike the project Cooper from last week, this one is a running, assembled car that now needs to be disassembled and put right.  ;D     

There could be some overseas interest, but my wild guess is bidding on this could go over $20K, especially if somebody already has a bodyshell.  Then again, the rust may keep a lot of people away.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-cooper-s/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1969_austin_cooper_s_15820809186ec4fa56eb1e1fIMG_20191117_130014-940x627.jpg)

Well this one did not generate much interest at all, the final bid was $8,100 with RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 13, 2020, 07:01:32 PM
I saw a lot of RNM deals in today's BaT auctions.....I think if I had a car to sell I'd wait a while.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 18, 2020, 07:16:57 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 12, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
Here's the previously mentioned VTEC Mini on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-7/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/1962_austin_mini_cooper_158345653171c976a628c372fpass-front-34-hor-940x626.jpg)

I think the Vtec did quite well as it sold for $26k.

The red/black S in the Netherlands is not doing so good as it is at $13,500 with 2 days to go.

Maybe as Dave stated it is not the right time to sell especially with the S being in Italy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 18, 2020, 08:18:16 AM
I was a little surprised that the Vtec did as well as it did, somebody really wanted it I guess.

Everyday it seems the only cars that are selling are no reserve and a few very specialty cars, the rest are going "Bid to"....and prices are definitely down except for the odd Ford GT, Dino and of course Porsches. But I'm thinking that will dry up soon too.

there may be some bargains out there to get in a few weeks if they keep the site up and running........if.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 18, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 18, 2020, 08:18:16 AM

there may be some bargains out there to get in a few weeks if they keep the site up and running........if.

It's kind of a of a paradox.  In the next few weeks, with many people idle during this mass worldwide shutdown, BaT will probably have greater than ever traffic on the site. 

Now, as to whether people will be willing (or even able) to spend money during this unusual time, that is another matter...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 18, 2020, 12:03:50 PM
I agree, plenty of lookers, not so many with ready cash......

I'm really watching the stock market for bargains - I know many are going to get beat into the dirt but most will recover, and probably fairly quickly if we have a good recovery from the virus - like China has shown so far. If they don't get a significant rebound uptick in cases then it will bode well for a fairly quick recovery.

If they get another rebound of fresh cases, then all bets are off.

For some companies I think the stock rebound in price has already started upward.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 19, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
The really nice red Cooper S in Italy was bid to $32,500 and went Reserve Not Met.   The world was a different place a week ago when that car was listed.  Now Italy is experiencing 600+ Covid-19 deaths a day and the US is in shutdown mode.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 19, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 19, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
The really nice red Cooper S in Italy was bid to $32,500 and went Reserve Not Met.   The world was a different place a week ago when that car was listed.  Now Italy is experiencing 600+ Covid-19 deaths a day and the US is in shutdown mode.

I'd expect little to no big sales for the foreseeable future.  Maybe next summer.  Looks like Dave will have to drive our mint innocenti for awhile! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2020, 01:02:29 PM
I'm hoping to have it running and driving this weekend, if the weather holds out.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 20, 2020, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 19, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
The really nice red Cooper S in Italy was bid to $32,500 and went Reserve Not Met.   The world was a different place a week ago when that car was listed.  Now Italy is experiencing 600+ Covid-19 deaths a day and the US is in shutdown mode.

I am surprised it did that well not because of the condition of the car but more so the mess we are living in right now. That being said I would think it may have been a $35k car on a good day.
There is some discussion to the reverse stamped body number and a missing digit plus some other later pointers to this car not having it's original shell.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 20, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
That and the cost/issues getting it shipped, I would have taken $35K all day.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
No Minis on BaT right now, but I'm sort of surprised the site is chugging along as usual during this pandemic.  I guess there is no person to person contact like a regular car auction so that makes is more desirable?  And perhaps some people need money and have to sell? Or perhaps others don't have any money issues at all and are bargain hunting?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 31, 2020, 02:24:53 PM
Sure looks that way, I expected prices to really soften, and they did right at first as evidenced by a lot of RNM's, but since thing things seem to have firmed up again considerably.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 03, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
Well up for grabs on BaT is Mark and Sarah Caldwell's ex Moke that they sold for $41k in 2018.
it looks the same as when it was last auctioned with only 200 more miles added. As Naples Florida is a beautiful area to own and drive a Moke you have to wonder why you would want to sell it after a short time and in also our current economy.
With that thought in mind I would think it will be hard to hit the $41k he paid for it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 03, 2020, 10:28:10 AM
Yeah, I posted in the thread ....no other Moke has come close in price since, has it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 04, 2020, 06:49:28 PM
I think that red modified one did low 30's but that is still $10k off.
Not on BaT of course I am sure some folks with disposable income have paid more at Barret Jackson and Mecum etc.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: pbraun on April 10, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
$50,000  US Dollars!  Whew!  Take my breath away! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 10, 2020, 12:01:39 PM
Jeez louise.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 10, 2020, 03:13:46 PM
Heck of a lot of "last minute" bidding on that one - reserve taken off at the $30K mark and then bidding climbed fast to the final $50K.

Now there is another green early Moke with trailer on BaT.  This latest one has an automatic (likely from an AA) and is running golf cart tires with lots of sidewall cracking.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 10, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Trying to cash in on the frenzy?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 10, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
I would not have guessed $50k for that Moke in these times but there are individuals with really deep pockets that are doing business as usual.
A side note he sold it as there was not enough room for all his Grandkids to go to the beach, I imagine there will be some unhappy kids when they find out the Moke is gone.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 18, 2020, 10:49:19 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on April 10, 2020, 03:13:46 PM

Now there is another green early Moke with trailer on BaT.  This latest one has an automatic (likely from an AA) and is running golf cart tires with lots of sidewall cracking.

This Moke was bid to $24K and went RNM (!).   That's a lota money for Moke retrofitted with an automatic and sporting old golf-cart tires.

I suspect the Reserve was allowed to be set that high by BaT because of the $50K Moke just the week before. Otherwise I think the Reserve would not have even been $20K on that car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 19, 2020, 07:16:07 AM
Yes, I think people get sucked into the "well, if HIS is worth that much, mine must be too!" thinking, when one is a completely restored original and the other........isn't.

OTOH, I don't think the auto trans should have been a detriment to the sale......as little as people drive their classics these days. If this car is driven at all it will trundle around town at 35 mph......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
I received an email this morning from BaT with an update on their website stats.  I didn't ask for it just popped in the inbox. Looks like this lockdown has been great business for them:

"BaT continues to see record site traffic and strong results this month. Here are some statistics on auction activity through the first two weeks of April (and % change from April, 2019):

Total # of bids: 16,265 (+35%)
Value of lots sold: $13,571,969 (+35%)
New users: 7,573 (+49% )
Average auction views: 14,552 (+4%)
Average auction watchers: 785 (+24%)"

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 19, 2020, 07:32:17 AM
Yeah, I got that too.....I threw it in the trash. They're trolling for business in my opinion. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't really need to know how much money they're making when the rest of the country and maybe the world is suffering.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: G67mcs on April 19, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
Agree Dave. I chalked it up as "advertisement" to solicit more participation.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 19, 2020, 10:19:19 AM
I applaud their success, I'm glad that the auction site is there as I enjoy watching some of the auctions and I even wonder about owning some of the cars that show up, but I have too many self employed friends who are suffering from a complete lack of income, and who aren't getting any help from local, state or federal agencies like they were promised to enjoy BaT's success at this time.

So, clearly it's my problem not theirs.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 22, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
And yet another Moke has popped up on BaT.  This one is from Oz.  Not as prized as the English Mokes, but with more power and comfort.

So the owner couldn't find a pair of any 13" tires to get rid of the whitewall ones at the rear? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-moke/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1977_austin_mini_moke_15874280796376b6c5158696156295d565ef66e7dIMG_1105-scaled-1-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 22, 2020, 10:20:51 AM
Wow, actual seats!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 22, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
Those are not factory seats.  The Aussie Mokes used several styles of seats, but those were not one of them. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on April 22, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 22, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
And yet another Moke has popped up on BaT.  This one is from Oz.  Not as prized as the English Mokes, but with more power and comfort.

So the owner couldn't find a pair of any 13" tires to get rid of the whitewall ones at the rear? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-moke/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1977_austin_mini_moke_15874280796376b6c5158696156295d565ef66e7dIMG_1105-scaled-1-940x627.jpg)


Your tire comment... So annoying.. Like the last green Moke on Golfcart dryrotted round donuts... TIRES cost 200$ from the UK.... your'e selling a 25k$ Car.... You cant bring it up to presentable reliablity for 250$ 300$ ...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 22, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: jedduh01 on April 22, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
Your tire comment... So annoying.. Like the last green Moke on Golfcart dryrotted round donuts... TIRES cost 200$ from the UK.... your'e selling a 25k$ Car.... You cant bring it up to presentable reliablity for 250$ 300$ ...

Aussie Mokes with the extended rear swing arms as that one should have can take any basic 13" tire sold locally.  They don't need anything special, so even cheaper.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 22, 2020, 06:35:25 PM
Those seats look like tractor or forklift seats and the wheels are not the factory Sunraysia ones but trailer wheels.
The floors look to have been done to a good standard and with the 1275 engine disc brakes it should run strong.

One of the best Aussie Moke restorations I saw was Michael's from a few years ago, I think you traded it for a saloon with Big Al.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 22, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Yeah, the yellow Aussie Moke I had was very well restored by the owner in Australia before I bought it.  He kept it the original 998.  The only upgrades I did was convert from twin leading shoe front brakes to disk brakes and added the basic rear tuck box for locking storage. 

After Al got it and it started changing hands a bit, it got all kinds of changes made that spoiled it in my opinion.  (The proper bumpers got removed, the original Sunraysia wheels swapped out to 13" sportpack style, radio added with speakers cut into the truck box, gauges reworked.  I think even the side curtains got lost.)

Sometimes, I wish I had kept it instead of trading it away.  I make mistakes like that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 29, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 22, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
And yet another Moke has popped up on BaT.  This one is from Oz.  Not as prized as the English Mokes, but with more power and comfort.

So the owner couldn't find a pair of any 13" tires to get rid of the whitewall ones at the rear? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini-moke/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1977_austin_mini_moke_15874280796376b6c5158696156295d565ef66e7dIMG_1105-scaled-1-940x627.jpg)

Well the Aussie Moke in Canada failed to reach its reserve.
It did $16,500 USD / $23,100 Ca which i think should have got it done especially when you consider the Moke and bidder are in Canada.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 05, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
A modified Mini has popped up on BaT.   Convertible Minis are not my cup of tea (and I'm not a fan at all of the modern MINI's convertible models either).   

This is very much a niche Mini.  I don't believe that traditional Mini people will be very interested in it.  Instead I think it will appeal to those who have a peripheral knowledge of Minis and think it is 'cute' and think it will make a good runabout. 

No idea what it will bring, but without the traditional "Mini shape" and with a 998, I would be surprised if it gets past $10K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-austin-mini-mayfair-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1988_austin_mini_mayfair_15886145236ec4fa56eb1e1fDSC_0445-940x627.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 05, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
I agree on all points.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 05, 2020, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 05, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
I agree on all points.....

Then you are completely correct sir!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 06, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
I am not a fan of any Mini convertible either.
Looking at the photos it is pretty crusty underneath with a lot of extra underseal hiding who knows what, i am thinking it might do $8k.
Kudo's to the seller for the full disclosure almost 300 pictures, at least you know what you are getting into.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 12, 2020, 01:19:30 PM
Well the red Keith's convertible came on strong in the last couple of hours closing and selling with a strong
$12,750 bid.
I was not expecting it to do that well with the rust issues it had.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 18, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
There are currently a couple of Minis on BaT:

This VTEC Mini Van with a big nose.  It's been on BaT before.  A square-nose Clubman front end would look a lot better than this plastic surgery job.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mini-panel-van-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1968_mini_panel_van_1589384447856724221e9d363e2fF3C411DE-C9ED-4257-8685-31E37BBDE8C6-940x627.jpeg)


And this Mk. I race Mini.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-cooper-s-gt-5-race-car/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1966_morris_mini_cooper_s_gt_5_race_car_158941730332e249P3260138-940x626.jpg)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 20, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
An ERA Turbo Mini has reappeared on BaT

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-era-mini-turbo/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 20, 2020, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 20, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
An ERA Turbo Mini has reappeared on BaT

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-era-mini-turbo/

Too bad I have not played the lottery in a month or two.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 20, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
I remember thinking it sold cheap the last time - $16,750
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 21, 2020, 07:42:19 AM
This is a bit of info from when it last sold:
https://thebidwatcher.com/auctions/view/97479 (https://thebidwatcher.com/auctions/view/97479)

They say $10k out into it since last sold. I think no reserve is a bit risky.
original BAT listing:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-era/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
I'm always fascinated to read the invoices from the shops that work on Minis, and amazed at the prices they charge............. and that people pay!

These invoices say the car smokes, and they replaced the valve guide seals to try and cure it, tho the leakdown tests are pretty good at 10% across the cylinders, I'm thinking it needs at least a valve job.

It also has springs instead of rubbers.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: ADRay on May 21, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
ugh... hope the "Sphincter Shrinker" design is not painted on
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 21, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
Doing $10K of deferred maintenance does not make the car worth $10K more. I'll be interested to see what it goes for this time too.....
It also has springs instead of rubbers.....

That has always bothered me about buying one of these. There are alot of parts that may have been neglected I would prefer a UK version without AC, but there are so few that you cannot be picky.

I am not sold on springs and I had them on a car for several years.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on May 21, 2020, 09:55:21 AM
That's why you and dan get so many requests. Any shop in metro area is probably charging 150-250 an hour.   Keep saying I'm going to have to lie about my paint at shows or dan will be inundated with calls. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on May 21, 2020, 10:08:00 AM
Dan can't keep doing these lol.  He's worn out. I know I've been saying that for years but I can actually feel it now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 21, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
I'm always fascinated to read the invoices from the shops that work on Minis, and amazed at the prices they charge............. and that people pay!

These invoices say the car smokes, and they replaced the valve guide seals to try and cure it, tho the leakdown tests are pretty good at 10% across the cylinders, I'm thinking it needs at least a valve job.

It also has springs instead of rubbers.....

If you read on the mechanic states the valve guides are worn so I am guessing he was quoted around $2k for that job based on the previous receipts and said enough is enough.
A lot of money spent at $10k on repairs when you have done less than 700 miles.
If he is looking to get $26k he will be way over the top market price for an ERA but with no reserve it might start a bidding frenzy.
I did notice it has one of those Montana ( I need to drive it in California and pay no tax) titles.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
Yes, that was exactly my thought too.....after spending $10K on it, I wonder if he thinks he'll get that back in the sale price? I tell anyone who will listen - if you can't do most of your own work, don't buy a classic car unless you have lots of money and are willing to spend it.

I guess the rings are good so a guy could get away with just doing a valve job. Other than the extra stuff you have to remove to get the head off, and the fact that you'd probably need some new exhaust pieces, it shouldn't run even $1K for me to do it were I to buy this car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 21, 2020, 01:40:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
I'm always fascinated to read the invoices from the shops that work on Minis, and amazed at the prices they charge............. and that people pay!

I don't think it's that different from people who trust a dealership to work on their car - especially once the car is off warranty.  Dealerships seem to be the worst. They convince owners that all sorts of bullshit maintenance and care "multipoint inspection" items are required such like a 50,000 mile checklist that includes a full list of 40 important-sounding things, but in reality 35 of those things are bogus  "inspect brakes" or "check operation of..."  or "lubricate latches" and so on (I'm referring to the lists the dealers make up).   In my 45+ years of car ownership I've never taken an out-of-warranty car to a dealership just because of the impending ripoff factor in doing so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
They can't rip you off if you don't let them.....it's no different than buying a car, you just have to know what you're doing. Most of the mfrs have those check this and that lists in the service book
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 21, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
Right, it either takes ignorance, fear, or indifference to let them rip you off.   Unfortunately, a lot of  car owners have those things in spades.

I'm sure this "coupon" for the services listed is totally worth it.  ::)  But how is the first bullet of "lube oil & filter service" any different from the 9th and 10th bullets? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 21, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
Ha! that's pretty funny.....maybe they're going to change it twice?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 23, 2020, 02:54:53 PM
A bright yellow Mini is now on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-deluxe-1275/



(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1977_mini_1275_gt_1589675638a5f54794a9c31-768x512.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on May 23, 2020, 03:21:31 PM
That yellow mini looks really nice.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 23, 2020, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 18, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
There are currently a couple of Minis on BaT:

This VTEC Mini Van with a big nose.  It's been on BaT before.  A square-nose Clubman front end would look a lot better than this plastic surgery job.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mini-panel-van-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1968_mini_panel_van_1589384447856724221e9d363e2fF3C411DE-C9ED-4257-8685-31E37BBDE8C6-940x627.jpeg)


And this Mk. I race Mini.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-cooper-s-gt-5-race-car/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1966_morris_mini_cooper_s_gt_5_race_car_158941730332e249P3260138-940x626.jpg)

Well the long nose didn't stop the bidding as the van sold for a whopping $35k with the last bid being $10k above the previous one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 25, 2020, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 18, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
There are currently a couple of Minis on BaT:

This VTEC Mini Van with a big nose.  It's been on BaT before.  A square-nose Clubman front end would look a lot better than this plastic surgery job.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mini-panel-van-2/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1968_mini_panel_van_1589384447856724221e9d363e2fF3C411DE-C9ED-4257-8685-31E37BBDE8C6-940x627.jpeg)


And this Mk. I race Mini.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-cooper-s-gt-5-race-car/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1966_morris_mini_cooper_s_gt_5_race_car_158941730332e249P3260138-940x626.jpg)

The no reserve white race Mini closed at $11k and judging by the comments will need a bunch of money and re engineering done before it can be raced.
The buyer was Jet Motors in Oregon.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 27, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 20, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
An ERA Turbo Mini has reappeared on BaT

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-era-mini-turbo/

Down to the last few hours...looks like it wont hit the mark though, but no reserve?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 27, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
It's close to what it sold for the last time....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 27, 2020, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on May 27, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 20, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
An ERA Turbo Mini has reappeared on BaT

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mini-era-mini-turbo/

Down to the last few hours...looks like it wont hit the mark though, but no reserve?


Winning Bid   USD $21,000 by ppd56
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on May 28, 2020, 06:11:22 AM
Such a cool car + collectible for sure - cool to see.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 28, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
I was surprised to see it in a no reserve auction especially as the owner had spent $10k plus on it since buying it, still a decent price as it should only go up in value as long as it stays away from those California repair shops lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on May 28, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
It is my dream Mini.
There is one that turns up on the UK sites that is very original and claims to be number one, but there are other prototypes out there.
https://www.raclassics.com/era-mini-turbo  (https://www.raclassics.com/era-mini-turbo)  £30,995
and then the run of the mill ERAs:
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/era/mini-turbo/1990/326207 (https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/era/mini-turbo/1990/326207)

https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/1993-mini-era-turbo-sports-saloon (https://www.coys.co.uk/cars/1993-mini-era-turbo-sports-saloon)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2020, 08:36:28 AM
A nice 998 Mini is now on BaT.  A lot of effort spent on a small displacement car. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-austin-mini-1000/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1973_austin_mini_1000_1590722756a19e2a6c81f20200502_180018-768x512.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 30, 2020, 08:39:02 AM
Ya know, if all you're gonna do is run over to the C&C or local cruise night, the engine size really doesn't matter.....it's all about the looks.

When I was in high school we called that "All show, no go"   ;D

And I thought cafe racers were bikes?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 31, 2020, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: BruceK on May 23, 2020, 02:54:53 PM
A bright yellow Mini is now on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-deluxe-1275/



(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1977_mini_1275_gt_1589675638a5f54794a9c31-768x512.jpg)

This yellow Mini is already at $25k with one more day to go i am guessing it has reached its reserve.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 31, 2020, 11:30:34 AM
Can't believe Stan's Mini only brought $18K......it was so nice.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 01, 2020, 11:55:51 AM
The yellow 77 Mini closed at $35k.
That figure is in the Cooper S Mini's prices, very strong money for a non S or even Cooper somewhat stock clean Mini.
Congrats to the seller.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 01, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on June 01, 2020, 11:55:51 AM
The yellow 77 Mini closed at $35k.
That figure is in the Cooper S Mini's prices, very strong money for a non S or even Cooper somewhat stock clean Mini.
Congrats to the seller.

That. Is. Crazy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 01, 2020, 12:46:33 PM
Wow. $35K is just nuts......I reiterate my comment on Stan's car at $18K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 01, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
See cars like the yellow Mini bring outstanding prices makes it tempting to put the Mini Marcos up on BaT.  Unfortunately, with it being as much different as it is and "kit" based, it may get panned instead of doing decent.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on June 01, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Chatting now with my local bud about that car   35K  thats kinof silly!  "congrats to the seller for sure".

Marcos on BAT I think would be the proper place to sell it .. Its were gear heads go to watch interesting cars,  I dont think they've ever had a Marcos. that will get views alone. .  Have a good story behind the car and it will help ALOT.

When im ready to move my Pickup -   Ill probably do BAT = They've never had a Pickup on  BAT... that right there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 01, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
I wonder if it's possible that the bidder won't come through once the alcohol/mind-altering-substances wear off. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on June 01, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
Stan's car was as nice as they come, this makes no sense.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 02, 2020, 10:32:03 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on June 01, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
See cars like the yellow Mini bring outstanding prices makes it tempting to put the Mini Marcos up on BaT.  Unfortunately, with it being as much different as it is and "kit" based, it may get panned instead of doing decent.

If i have learnt one thing from watching BaT auctions it is that you need to have a thick skin, some of the comments warranted or not are brutal especially when it comes to Mini's. Then you have to wade through the armchair experts "i thought all Cooper S's had twin fuel tanks" and various other comments.
As with all cars i sell my motto is "present to the buyer the best car you can for the money and hopefully you will have the least of complaints or negative comments".

I think the Marcos would do well on BaT Michael.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2020, 10:40:22 AM
I agree completely....and I also think the Marcos would do well on BaT. Since they have no background on it you should be able to set a high enough reserve to make sure it's not a loss for you. Seems like there is still plenty of money being spent on BaT cars...way more than I expected.

I've been watching a few of the sales and the numbers are not dropping off like I had hoped (Expected?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on June 03, 2020, 10:49:52 AM
Podcast =  currently Listening / watching  about BAT.

The smoking tire = Matt Farrah -  Randy Nonnenberg of Bring-a-Trailer!

Fair conversation about the BAT Business -  up to date 'info' and fair conversation about how the  auctions are working in this time.

Probably also available on other Podcast services.

I watch Youtube with they link somethings they discuss. Can see.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 05, 2020, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on June 01, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
See cars like the yellow Mini bring outstanding prices makes it tempting to put the Mini Marcos up on BaT.  Unfortunately, with it being as much different as it is and "kit" based, it may get panned instead of doing decent.

Also the BaT auctions attract a lot of UK and European buyers who would likely know what a Mini Marcos is which should help the bidding.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 05, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 30, 2020, 08:36:28 AM
A nice 998 Mini is now on BaT.  A lot of effort spent on a small displacement car. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-austin-mini-1000/

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1973_austin_mini_1000_1590722756a19e2a6c81f20200502_180018-768x512.jpg)

Well the white Mini closed today at $16,200.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 08, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Another Mini from New Mexico is on BaT.  This one has a supercharger and a 5-speed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-mk-iii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1974_mini_mk_iii_1589928877495d565ef66eDSC_7498-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C509)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 08, 2020, 07:55:48 PM
I recognize that car! I saw it in Aspen....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 11, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
It looks like a nice build with the supercharger and a 5 speed.
The only thing I dislike is the oversills, they are not the worst if installed correctly but so many are put on over rusty metal.
Judging by the rest of the car I would think they have been installed correctly.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 17, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: BruceK on June 08, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Another Mini from New Mexico is on BaT.  This one has a supercharger and a 5-speed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-mk-iii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1974_mini_mk_iii_1589928877495d565ef66eDSC_7498-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C509)

I guess BaT pulled the auction at the owners request.
Apparently he went on a drive to shoot some video of the revs when cruising and the clutch went out.
He seems like a straight shooter as he could have let the auction run and said i need a while to replace the clutch or even worse and shipped it with a bad clutch, kudo's to him for doing the right thing.
BaT has agreed to re list it when it is fixed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 17, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Bryan is a friend of mine and a member here on RestoMini.....

What happened was the big bolt in the end of the crank backed out, allowing the flywheel to move and breaking the ears off the big thick washer that keys the flywheel to the crank. I don't know yet if it damaged the end of the crank. I was hoping to hear from him about it today, but he works so he may not have gotten back to it yet.

Edit: when you look at the second pic you can clearly see the flywheel has rotated on the crank.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 18, 2020, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 17, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Bryan is a friend of mine and a member here on RestoMini.....

What happened was the big bolt in the end of the crank backed out, allowing the flywheel to move and breaking the ears off the big thick washer that keys the flywheel to the crank. I don't know yet if it damaged the end of the crank. I was hoping to hear from him about it today, but he works so he may not have gotten back to it yet.

Edit: when you look at the second pic you can clearly see the flywheel has rotated on the crank.

Ouch !!! That does not look good.
Hopefully he has no damage on the crank taper.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 18, 2020, 09:39:34 AM
He said he was hoping to try and get the flywheel off Friday evening, but this being Father's day weekend he might not get to it till next week. He ordered the puller and is waiting for it to come in too....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on June 18, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
Thats a huge bummer .!  bad timing too / or good timing however you look at it.    i

I would assume there is a high risk of the crank spun inside the taper and could cause gauling.... hopefully not too rough. atleast its still all in place and the flywheel clutch didnt walk off the crank taper..
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 18, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
Yeah, it's clearly turned, what we don't know is if it spun or moved back and forth....he's thinking (hoping?) that it only moved this much when the starter kicked it over.

I think if that were the case it would be loose on the shaft - and it's not.

Hope for the best - but plan for the worst.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: SomethingNew71 on June 18, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
Ouch man that's a bummer. I got nervous about this on my most recent assembly on my engine and decided to lock that tabs down and also use red locktite on the bolt. I pity the next person who has to remove that bolt on my engine....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 18, 2020, 10:18:04 AM
Do you have your car running now? Do you have a new video yet?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: SomethingNew71 on June 18, 2020, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 18, 2020, 10:18:04 AM
Do you have your car running now? Do you have a new video yet?

I was waiting on some idler shims because I couldn't find the same size gasket I had before.  ::)

But otherwise, its mostly back together and will likely be back in its home this weekend. Unfortunately, I am waiting on a few bits from MED that will hold it up a tad from being started but no major hiccups.  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 19, 2020, 04:27:26 AM
Two more Minis are now on BaT.    Both have been on BaT before.   Flipper City?

A nice looking Mk. I Mini, but without any underbody shots (does the seller think nobody will ask for them?)   Looking at the receipts shown for work, it appears the seller may not exactly be a car person.  Paid somebody to replace a headlight?!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1960_morris_mini_minor_15919106594180a8a78db7e8IMG_0008.jpg?w=1240)

And a Mk. III VTEC Mini.  Those headlights belong a on Jeep with feestooned with Monster Energy drink stickers.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-austin-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1974_austin_mini_159234204701c1fb4e149ebD11A98C2-6088-40C5-83EB-D019D7F5BE34.jpeg?w=1139)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 19, 2020, 07:13:25 AM
Both of these cars closed with really strong bids last time i think in the low $20k's.
The 60 has had a significant amount of maintenance done to it since it was purchased and was for sale for $29k on another site, apparently he is using the 2016 auction pictures for the underside as he has only done 500 miles in four years.
The Vtec is a decent build but the interior is not everyone's cup of tea but easily remedied, all the hard work has been done.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 19, 2020, 07:45:20 AM
The 60 is also a "bitsa" Mini.

It has a much later, large volume gas tank.  It is missing the floor starter button.  It has a MK-II/III turn signal stalk/horn button, MK-II style boss buttons on the door handles, and the shift gator is aftermarket.

Those are the things that jump out at me from scanning through the pictures.

Still, a nice car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on June 19, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
It's probably better to say it's a 1960 body shell with few orignal parts attached.
Kelley

Quote from: MPlayle on June 19, 2020, 07:45:20 AMThe 60 is also a "bitsa" Mini.

It has a much later, large volume gas tank.  It is missing the floor starter button.  It has a MK-II/III turn signal stalk/horn button, MK-II style boss buttons on the door handles, and the shift gator is aftermarket.

Those are the things that jump out at me from scanning through the pictures.

Still, a nice car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 22, 2020, 02:25:50 PM
The VTEC Mini is not getting much love so far.   Less than 3 days left and it is only bid to $5600.

The clean 1960 Mini however is up to almost $19K, also with just 2 days left.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 25, 2020, 10:53:08 AM
The Vtec still not getting much love sitting at $16k with less than one hour to go, it previously sold for $26.5k so it may be a RNM i am guessing.

The 60 Mini closed at $24k the seller lowered his reserve in the last hour smart move on his part.
Considering he paid $21,750 shipped it from Florida to California and then spent $10k on it and only doing 500 miles in 4 years i am guessing that was a tough one decision wise.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 25, 2020, 11:24:07 AM
Yeah, I find it hard to believe his reasoning on the '60, the wife wanted one "all her life", it was to be her run around town have fun car and she never drove it? Or more likely, drove it once and got intimidated by SUVs and trucks bearing down on her and got scared and parked it. At any rate, ya gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 25, 2020, 11:38:56 AM
The Vtec kicked in and came on strong in the end closing at $26k $500 less than 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 25, 2020, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on June 25, 2020, 11:38:56 AM
The Vtec kicked in and came on strong....


I see what you did there.  Yo!!!    :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 27, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Yes pun intended lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 03, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
A Mk. II Cooper S is now on BaT.    Looks pretty nice.   And we all know white with a black roof is the best color combination for a Mini.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-morris-mini-cooper-s-mk-ii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1969_morris_mini_cooper_s_mk_ii_1593442902c798a42aJML_5371.jpg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 03, 2020, 02:37:26 PM
So, did a '69 still  have external hinges and sliders?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on July 03, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
Yes, until the end of 1969. The Mk3 was then introduced as part of the 1970 model year.

And oh Dave, welcome back and stay well!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 03, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 03, 2020, 02:37:26 PM
So, did a '69 still  have external hinges and sliders?

Sure did, as Scargo says.   The Mk II is one of the rarest of Minis because of the short run of about 2 years.  They differed from the Mk I with the revised non-mustache grille, bigger taillights, larger rear window, monotone black interior (no more of the cool interior colors of the Mk I), different badges front and rear (the best looking Mini badges IMO), plain bumpers with no overrider tubes, and some other stuff I forget right now.

Oh, and Dave, glad you're still kicking too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on July 04, 2020, 08:34:30 AM
Malcolm: is this one of Peter's cars(pmustang)?  I think he did some imports with Minis Bristol Minis before Barnhills.

Quote from: BruceK on July 03, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
A Mk. II Cooper S is now on BaT.    Looks pretty nice.   And we all know white with a black roof is the best color combination for a Mini.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-morris-mini-cooper-s-mk-ii/

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 05, 2020, 11:53:58 AM
It very well could have been Terry.
MBM Bristol Minis were very big in the late 90s through the early 2000s and looked like they did excellent work.
The Cooper S for sale looks decent with a recent expensive re commision.
There are a few incorrect items but most except the hydro are easily corrected.
The one thing no one can correct is the lack of a body number which is one of the crucial items needed when establishing an S's identity.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 05, 2020, 12:06:22 PM
"The one thing no one can correct is the lack of a body number which is one of the crucial items needed when establishing an S's identity."

And trying to get all the money for it.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 06, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
I'll ask Pete if it's his car.  I worked with him post Barnhills. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 06, 2020, 10:20:49 AM
And I quote:

No and after myself and a friend bought cars "restored" by MBM I would not touch anything they touched. Both cars had horrendous rust issues upon delivery

When I bought mine, on the day I visited, there was this exact colour S, I am almost positive it was the car, how many in this shade, cooper S cars could they have done? It had rusty water marks on it at the seams.

Horrendous work.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on July 06, 2020, 06:27:40 PM
Thanks for the update. I always wanted to buy a car from Peter.
Now I will have to buy a Mustang and repatriate it back to the US!
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on July 06, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
Bought my 1st mini from him nearly 20 years ago now. 1999 mpi with 120 miles on the clock.  I mean a 1970  ;D 77.gif.  Flew down to Florida to pick it up and became interested in aviation.  Who knew that one singular day would determine so much.  Today I'm flying a 777 back from Europe and looking forward to going to my shop full of minis.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 07, 2020, 04:10:35 AM
Quote from: 94touring on July 06, 2020, 11:18:20 PM
Bought my 1st mini from him nearly 20 years ago now. 1999 mpi with 120 miles on the clock.  I mean a 1970  ;D 77.gif.  Flew down to Florida to pick it up and became interested in aviation.  Who knew that one singular day would determine so much.  Today I'm flying a 777 back from Europe and looking forward to going to my shop full of minis.


Cool insight.  Funny how a few seemingly minor decisions at one time can end up changing the direction of our lives.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 09, 2020, 11:12:01 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 03, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
A Mk. II Cooper S is now on BaT.    Looks pretty nice.   And we all know white with a black roof is the best color combination for a Mini.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-morris-mini-cooper-s-mk-ii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1969_morris_mini_cooper_s_mk_ii_1593442902c798a42aJML_5371.jpg?w=1240)

The MK II Cooper S sold for a very healthy $38,500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 10, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Looked like there were three strong players for that one, and then a new guy out of nowhere swooped in and bought it out from under them......strong money but a really nice looking car too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on July 10, 2020, 10:34:33 AM
I see Pete responded to the BAT listing and of course Bill C. had to reply as well!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 10, 2020, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: tmsmini on July 10, 2020, 10:34:33 AM
...and of course Bill C. had to reply as well!

You can count on that. Just like counting on MiniGuy to make an insincere bid on any Mini that appears on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 19, 2020, 11:51:46 AM
There's an early Mk. I Mini on BaT and nobody, not even the owner, knows the engine size.  It's not a 1275.  This auction seems to be a magnet for comments...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-austin-mini/

Would look so much better without the very '80s air dam.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/159250205152d05501.jpg?w=1240)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 20, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
The consensus is that the engine and gearbox are from an MG 1100.
De seamed but at least they left the roof gutters on but still has drum brakes.
The dashboard is a 70's Mada dash which were real popular in their day.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 21, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
Bryan's supercharged blue Mini is back on BaT today, and has already attracted some bids.....I hope he gets a good price out of it.

I've noticed R53 MINIs with low miles are bringing a lot more money now too - a 2004 S with low miles sold today for $21,500!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 21, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 21, 2020, 05:32:46 PM


I've noticed R53 MINIs with low miles are bringing a lot more money now too - a 2004 S with low miles sold today for $21,500!!!!!

Time to roll back the odometer on my car!   ;D

I said it before - in the coming years I think the MINI R53 models will be respected like old BMW 2002 models are.  More like the 2002 tii models.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 21, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
Bryan's supercharged blue Mini is back on BaT today, and has already attracted some bids.....I hope he gets a good price out of it.


And here it is:  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-mk-iii-2/

Good like with the auction.


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/159527991665ef66e7dff9f98761974_mini_mk_iii_1589928877495d565ef66eDSC_7498-scaled-1.jpg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
And BaT now has a Mk. I Cooper S from Canada.  It's a 1275 and has some rust, so it is being sold as a "project".

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1593975995aec7c6e9bIMG_2270-scaled.jpg?fit=2048%2C1536)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on July 22, 2020, 05:43:03 PM
In response to BruceK; I had an R53 (Cooper S). I ordered it new in '06, waited 12 weeks to take delivery, thoroughly enjoyed it for over 7 years and 113,000 miles of nearly trouble-free daily and long distance driving. It was nothing short fantastic. I was thrilled to have the last year of the Mk.1's, before BMW started to inject steroids into the mix.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 22, 2020, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
And BaT now has a Mk. I Cooper S from Canada.  It's a 1275 and has some rust, so it is being sold as a "project".

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1593975995aec7c6e9bIMG_2270-scaled.jpg?fit=2048%2C1536)

The S seems like a pretty unmolested car it should do well on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 23, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on July 22, 2020, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
And BaT now has a Mk. I Cooper S from Canada.  It's a 1275 and has some rust, so it is being sold as a "project".

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/



The S seems like a pretty unmolested car it should do well on BaT.



I don't disagree at all.  I'm just amazed there seems to be an endless supply of buyers willing to pay big, big  bucks for genuine early Coopers.   Nothing against the that.  But wow.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 23, 2020, 09:28:28 PM
It must be Mini week on BaT.
Now a 1971 Morris Mini K basically a Australian Cooper S but a whole lot nicer than the 1971 UK Cooper S.
It has some interior mods and with some nice engine mods too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 24, 2020, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 19, 2020, 11:51:46 AM
There's an early Mk. I Mini on BaT and nobody, not even the owner, knows the engine size.  It's not a 1275.  This auction seems to be a magnet for comments...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-austin-mini/

Would look so much better without the very '80s air dam.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/159250205152d05501.jpg?w=1240)

The 61 de seamed MK I sold for a healthy $13,000.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 25, 2020, 04:54:10 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on July 23, 2020, 09:28:28 PM
It must be Mini week on BaT.
Now a 1971 Morris Mini K basically a Australian Cooper S but a whole lot nicer than the 1971 UK Cooper S.
It has some interior mods and with some nice engine mods too.

Yes, interesting Mini.  Too bad a rare one like this has been converted to LHD.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-1971-australian-morris-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1971_mini_1971_australian_morris_mini_cooper_s_1595532456bdf0d6c519f6b34c915917420133adee4dedDSCN1777-2-scaled-1.jpg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 25, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
Easy enough to convert back to RHD which I would do if I owned it as I can't seem to get comfortable in a LHD Mini.
Not a show car but has all the right stuff to be a good daily driver.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 28, 2020, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 21, 2020, 05:32:46 PM
Bryan's supercharged blue Mini is back on BaT today, and has already attracted some bids.....I hope he gets a good price out of it.

Well Bryan should be happy as his supercharged Mini sold for $25,750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 29, 2020, 08:07:19 AM
That was a good result....the guy who bought it has plenty of money based on his other BaT purchases, and is a former SCCA racer, so I think the car went to the right guy. He lives in the PNW so the car should have plenty of road time in the future.....I told him maybe we'd see him at MMW in Vancouver next summer - assuming they hold it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 29, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on July 22, 2020, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
And BaT now has a Mk. I Cooper S from Canada.  It's a 1275 and has some rust, so it is being sold as a "project".

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1593975995aec7c6e9bIMG_2270-scaled.jpg?fit=2048%2C1536)

The S seems like a pretty unmolested car it should do well on BaT.
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The red/black Canadian Cooper S project bought $26,500 with a rnm.
I honestly thought it would have sold for that figure especially as it is a project and $26,500 is roughly $35,350 Canadian $.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 30, 2020, 08:48:38 AM
Yeah, I thought that was ALL the money for a project like that, but worse cars have gone for more including some that don't even run!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on July 30, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 25, 2020, 04:54:10 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on July 23, 2020, 09:28:28 PM
It must be Mini week on BaT.
Now a 1971 Morris Mini K basically a Australian Cooper S but a whole lot nicer than the 1971 UK Cooper S.
It has some interior mods and with some nice engine mods too.

Yes, interesting Mini.  Too bad a rare one like this has been converted to LHD.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-1971-australian-morris-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1971_mini_1971_australian_morris_mini_cooper_s_1595532456bdf0d6c519f6b34c915917420133adee4dedDSCN1777-2-scaled-1.jpg?w=1240)

Another rnm at $16,750 on this Aussie Mini K with a Se7en ent 1330cc engine.
I thought this one would have done better.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on July 30, 2020, 03:44:58 PM
3000 over what I paid for mine with a seVen 1380
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 31, 2020, 11:41:40 AM
Quote from: BruceK on July 22, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
And BaT now has a Mk. I Cooper S from Canada.  It's a 1275 and has some rust, so it is being sold as a "project".

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-6/


This pretty original Mk. I Cooper S was only bid to $26,500 and reserve was not met.  Based upon the crazy prices of other 'original' Mk. I Cooper S models recently, I would have thought this would go a lot higher.  Perhaps there is a limited number of people who want to pay premiums for an early Cooper S...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2020, 03:53:55 AM
And another one on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-8/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1962_austin_mini_cooper_15961489717601c1fb4e1DSCN9769.jpg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 06, 2020, 07:38:11 AM
Poor paint job on this one, oversills too...... ::)

I'm a little surprised they took this listing actually.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
Are you saying they have sold out and are just in it for the bucks?  Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 06, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
BaT was sold......for $300mil
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 06, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
Right.  That's exactly what I was alluding to.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 06, 2020, 01:10:07 PM
Went through a budget refurb at some point...well 1990 I suppose.  Easy car to turn into something nice but I don't suspect it will pull much in the auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 09, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
Less than two days to go and only at $6,800 this one may be a RNM.
I am sure the shade of green along with other things is not helping the sale but a running and driving early mk I should be doing a lot better than this one currently is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 10, 2020, 06:50:43 PM
A late model Cooper is now on BaT.   For some reason it's been converted to LHD, and the badging is all mismatched.   But it looks like a nice car that should bring some bids.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-mk-vi/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1991_mini_mk_vi_15963995144e149ebcf8b75fe8d22E8E66E2-CD3E-4C94-8FEE-1A5D780FB92B.jpeg?w=768)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 12, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 06, 2020, 03:53:55 AM
And another one on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-8/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1962_austin_mini_cooper_15961489717601c1fb4e1DSCN9769.jpg?w=1240)

Sold with single leading shoe brakes for an impressive $14,150.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 12, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Looks like a bitsa to me. The "welding" and filling of the new front wings is awful in fact there is a work order for correcting cracked filler on the wing, the gaps are terrible with over spray everywhere.
The vin plate is held on by one rivet all the flares are filled in and bonded to the body which is just asking for trouble if they are not welded on metal flares.
This car has had a rough UK life.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2020, 09:42:01 AM
A nice-looking Mk. I has popped up on BaT.  This is a plain Mini in a Cooper S wrapper, and it seems to be a good car.  I like the color - not seen too often. The interior is a bit different.


But here is another car being shown without really any decent underbody shots.  Gee, I wonder if a potential buyer will ask for them?   :-[      My guess, assuming no revelations about any problems, is that this Mini will be bid into the upper teens.  Maybe even break into the low 20s?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1964_mini_cooper_s_15971795706ac9b968c3CFF4133-15C3-4F49-A94B-910971578CE3.jpeg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 14, 2020, 09:59:03 AM
64 still had the floor starter button?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2020, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 14, 2020, 09:59:03 AM
64 still had the floor starter button?
Yeah.  I think it stopped in early 1964 or so.  Of course the starter button was only on the plain Mini 850s.  The Mini Super 850 , De Luxe 850, and later the Super DeLuxe 850 had the sheer luxury of key start.  And since the Cooper models from 997 onward were based upon the nicer trim of the Super DeLuxe they had key start to begin with.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 14, 2020, 10:40:55 AM
I'm not keen on the brown interior, but it's a nice change I guess - still those miserable seats tho. I don't know why those are so popular.....must be cheap to buy.

Seems like every engine ever built these days is a 1380 - I'll bet it isn't......you have to offset bore the block to get a 1380 and very few places can do that unless they're using a CNC to machine the block, and how many engine shops have those?

I'm betting it's a 60 over 1275, which is what -1360?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 17, 2020, 07:13:26 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 14, 2020, 10:40:55 AM
I'm not keen on the brown interior, but it's a nice change I guess - still those miserable seats tho. I don't know why those are so popular.....must be cheap to buy.

Seems like every engine ever built these days is a 1380 - I'll bet it isn't......you have to offset bore the block to get a 1380 and very few places can do that unless they're using a CNC to machine the block, and how many engine shops have those?

I'm betting it's a 60 over 1275, which is what -1360?

I bought a pair of those seats and they were awful plus you need a 32 inch waist to fit in them, luckily for me a Moke owner wanted them and wanted to trade his metal Moke seats
which was fine with me.
The blue 64 Mini should do well but I don't remember 64's having four wiper wheel box holes in the scuttle, maybe it has been changed for a later one.
The brown interior is a nice change and I am sure was expensive but imo would look better with a different coloured exterior, I think a lighter beige/tan colour would look better with the blue exterior.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
The Red Italian Job car brought $16,800......I think that was strong for that car, but it was a decent car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 17, 2020, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 17, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
The Red Italian Job car brought $16,800......I think that was strong for that car, but it was a decent car.

I agree. 

The blue Mk I is already up to $17K with 4 days to go.  Looks like it is popular.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 17, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
So, the Mk1 tax is still in force!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 17, 2020, 06:34:19 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on August 12, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Looks like a bitsa to me. The "welding" and filling of the new front wings is awful in fact there is a work order for correcting cracked filler on the wing, the gaps are terrible with over spray everywhere.
The vin plate is held on by one rivet all the flares are filled in and bonded to the body which is just asking for trouble if they are not welded on metal flares.
This car has had a rough UK life.

I think that red car was lipstick on a pig, if you look at the pictures closely it is easy to see it is a tarted up UK rust bucket.
I think the new owner will have it back up for sale very quickly.
$16,800 was way too much for it but I am sure the seller was happy.
Just my 02c.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 21, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Whew! The blue Mk1 with the brown seats sold for $35,500!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 21, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 21, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Whew! The blue Mk1 with the brown seats sold for $35,500!

That is insane money for a Mini 850 dressed up as a Cooper S.   I thought it might go to maybe $22K or $23K.   I guess that color combo with the unusual interior helped?  And the fact it was a Mk. I.

But the very weirdest thing about the auction was that MiniGuy didn't bid.    ;D

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on August 22, 2020, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 21, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 21, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Whew! The blue Mk1 with the brown seats sold for $35,500!

That is insane money for a Mini 850 dressed up as a Cooper S.   I thought it might go to maybe $22K or $23K.   I guess that color combo with the unusual interior helped?  And the fact it was a Mk. I.

But the very weirdest thing about the auction was that MiniGuy didn't bid.    ;D

Yes that was insane money to pay for that car and getting into Cooper S territory at $35,500.
Strange that Mini guy did not do his usual low bids in the first few days, imagine out of the 180 plus Minis he has his on this could have been the one lol.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 05:49:51 AM
A Mini and half another Mini are now up on BaT.  Or is that 3/4 of another Mini?  And a 998 is pulling them along.   It's already registered in California, so that should expand the pool of potential bidders.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-austin-mini-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1978_austin_mini_1597303094d208495d1978_austin_mini_1597303093d208495dd0272e2b-de16-4663-b1c4-f9cd4aa1abd2-PsvlHM-scaled.jpg?w=1240)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 05:52:43 AM
And a VTEC Mini in Canada is also now on BaT.   Nice to see a Mini in a grey color for a change.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1984_rover_mini_1598569473279c4c8c85b481Hum-Vtec-Sale-Images-DSC01189.jpg?w=1240)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 30, 2020, 07:20:16 AM
The listing on that blue one with the trailer indicates it has been upgraded to a 1275 from a MG Metro.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 08:38:05 AM
A lot of discussion about whether that Vtec Mini can be imported into the states -  they seem to think you can only bring one in with the original, unmodified engine. I've never heard this rule before, is this something new?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 08:38:05 AM
A lot of discussion about whether that Vtec Mini can be imported into the states -  they seem to think you can only bring one in with the original, unmodified engine. I've never heard this rule before, is this something new?

Not a new law at all.  Generally speaking, we all know of the 25 year rule for the cars themselves from the DOT, but that same imported car must also follow the EPA regulation stating the vehicle must at least 21 years old and it gets specific about the engine.  Why the 4 year difference? Left hand not paying attention to the right hand I would say.  Anyway, the EPA says: "vehicle at least 21 years old (calendar year of manufacture subtracted from year of importation) and in original unmodified configuration is either exempted or excluded from EPA emission requirements, depending on age. Vehicles at least 21 years old with replacement engines are not eligible for this exemption unless they contain equivalent or newer EPA certified engines. Customs may require proof of vehicle age."   So, yes all the talk about the Mini with the VTEC engine not being legal for US importation is technically 100% correct.  And since laws are explicitly written to be "technical" there is no grey area.  It can't come in.

Here's the EPA 3520 import document used.   

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2020-07/documents/form3520-1-2020-07-secured-enabled.pdf

On the flipside, I'm aware of a VTEC Mini that just this week was shipped from Canada to a local guy here.  So you takes yer chances...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 11:12:10 AM
If I went and got it in Canada and drove it to my house I doubt I'd have any trouble registering it in Kansas - or any number of other states - like Texas. They check the vin - if it matches - they're good to go. Much like your Toyota pickup....

On classic Mini engines (A series) I doubt they could tell whether it has an 850 or a 1275, or would really care as I'll bet they don't have books to check..... the funny thing is the Honda motor will run far cleaner than any A series save maybe an SPi/MPI.....

Just went thru the VIN check process with the Audi we bought for Rose (bought new and titled in Austin).....pull into the station, hand paperwork to masked  Hiway patrol employee who checks vin on dash, pull out of station to parking area and wait 5 min., employee brings out form stamped and signed. Done.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 30, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
Bruce is correct regarding the rules and technical aspects.  Enforcement at any given port is a whole other thing.  Some ports (especially the east coast) seem to be very stringent, others are not.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
Yeah, states don't really care. One more car on the road is just an additional opportunity to collect sales tax, annual registration and inspection fees, and have a tax revenue stream from ongoing fuel purchases and maintenance costs that keep the car going.  More $ makes the state happy.

It's only the Feds that care because of the strict import laws that were largely enacted by vigorous Mercedes Benz lobbyist actions back in the 1980s.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 11:12:10 AM
If I went and got it in Canada and drove it to my house I doubt I'd have any trouble registering it in Kansas - or any number of other states - like Texas. They check the vin - if it matches - they're good to go. Much like your Toyota pickup....


Yeah but.  You still have to get it through the border.  I imagine they'd look at your US passport and there would be a few questions about who does the car belong to and why is it registered in Alberta or whatever province.   The state also require some form of a title, and if it's a foreign title/document the state DMV will require all the DOT & EPA import paperwork as well, including customs documentation from the port of entry. 

Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 11:12:10 AM

On classic Mini engines (A series) I doubt they could tell whether it has an 850 or a 1275, or would really care as I'll bet they don't have books to check..... the funny thing is the Honda motor will run far cleaner than any A series save maybe an SPi/MPI.....


There's nothing in the regulations about displacement. So I would argue that any A Series engine is equivalent to any other A Series engine.   Geez, we're not talking about more than 25 or 30 hp difference between any of them.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 01:04:19 PM
Maybe have the Canadian owner drive it over the border as a tourist?

Then meet up, trade the money and each goes their own way?

Wonder if there are rules about if you leave with a car you have to bring it back?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 30, 2020, 01:04:19 PM
Maybe have the Canadian owner drive it over the border as a tourist?

Then meet up, trade the money and each goes their own way?

Wonder if there are rules about if you leave with a car you have to bring it back?



Pretty sketchy. Hypothetically you're still gonna have the issue of a provincial Canadian title when you go to your DMV that is not supported by any importation paperwork.  Look at the small hoop you had a jump through just for getting an Audi from Texas registered in Kansas.    And you know Kansas and Texas both recognize the validity of official paperwork from each other's states. You can be sure no such arrangement exist between Kansas and say, British Columbia. 

The only clean way I can think of – and I'm not suggesting this at all – is a VIN swap with an existing Kansas car once it is driven from Canada to Kansas.  Car A magically "becomes" Car B.   It sounds like a great way to get in some serious trouble crossing state lines and misrepresenting the VIN of a car.  The authorities tend to look at that stuff as what criminals do when operating a chop shop. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 03, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
Wow.  No recent bids on the VTEC Mini in Canada.  It has been bid to $18,000 and then for the last four complete days there have been no bids on the car at all.   

Of course there's still time and many people wait until last minute to bid, but I wonder if all the discussion about difficulties importing to the US have taken the shine off this car? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 03, 2020, 09:24:00 PM
Yeah, I think the Canadian provenence is the problem, it doesn't sound like it can be imported into the states the way it is. But, we'll see what happens tomorrow....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: ADRay on September 04, 2020, 05:42:00 AM
Quote from: BruceK on August 30, 2020, 05:52:43 AM


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1984_rover_mini_1598569473279c4c8c85b481Hum-Vtec-Sale-Images-DSC01189.jpg?w=1240)

Looks good, but look at the way they handled the turn indicator delete...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2020, 08:26:29 AM
Yeah. That's really bugged me too.  I think they should have filled the empty holes with something.  Regular turn signal lenses that wouldn't be used for example.  Or fog lights.  Or driving lights.   Or blanking plates. 

Maybe something like on Enzo Ferrari's Mini Cooper?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zg9Ti9jhMYs/TtOr1Tm40OI/AAAAAAAAA5M/TocARWbMUzA/s1600/Enzo+Ferrari+and+John+Cooper+1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Red Riley on September 04, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
https://www.replacementboatparts.com/ventgrill3ssdomed.aspx?gclid=Cj0KCQjwy8f6BRC7ARIsAPIXOjhogSmYrYAwromsZLnDRWU6XCCQJl_XWGcVpGAKi7lOBQoQtVcBOh8aAu_1EALw_wcB
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 04, 2020, 10:58:26 AM
Perfect for using to run brake ducts!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2020, 03:04:42 PM
Great idea!   Reminds me of the little round grilles on the old Volvo 164.  I think those were for the horns.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 04, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
Wow, I did not expect that surf blue Mini with the little trailer to stall out at $11K....I'll have to go back and read the rest of the listing to see if I can learn why it died off so badly.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 04, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 04, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
Wow, I did not expect that surf blue Mini with the little trailer to stall out at $11K....I'll have to go back and read the rest of the listing to see if I can learn why it died off so badly.....

Not even a single bid on the final day of the auction!   That's some serious lack of interest. 

I wonder if the novelty of the trailer possibly hurt it?  Kept it out of consideration for some?   (I realize it was a big attraction for others, but comments left by some of them expressed regrets they couldn't buy it).
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on September 05, 2020, 07:31:16 AM
The Mini & a half is now listed on Mania for $22K. Good luck with THAT !!

For a car that spent the first 26 years of it's life in the UK, the seller should have posted photos of the refurbishment process (if he has any), concentrated on showing the condition of the usual rust prone areas, and shown more photos of the under body and exposed floor pans under the carpets etc. Instead he chose to show dozens of redundant photos of door handles, headlights, tail lights and dash instrumentation.

The novelty of the useless trailer most likely turned off some of the serious bidders. If I were interested in the car, I would have asked the seller how much of a credit he would offer for not including the trailer.

If it's a '78, why is it not titled as a Leyland Mini in lieu of an Austin Mini?
 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 05, 2020, 08:21:28 AM
Quote from: Scargo on September 05, 2020, 07:31:16 AM

If it's a '78, why is it not titled as a Leyland Mini in lieu of an Austin Mini?
 

Each state's DMV database of car makers is slightly different and it may have been registered in a state that did not have Leyland in its list.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 05, 2020, 08:56:10 AM
I think there was a reason he didn't show the underside of the car.....or the sills, or any of the other potential bad spots. that was a "Cars and Coffee" car only, I think.

So many people advertise their car as "it gets tons of look wherever you go", I've never understood why that's a selling point......but I guess that's the only reason some people buy a car. I buy them to drive them and have fun doing so! I'm less about the looks and more about the drive.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2020, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 05, 2020, 08:21:28 AM
Quote from: Scargo on September 05, 2020, 07:31:16 AM

If it's a '78, why is it not titled as a Leyland Mini in lieu of an Austin Mini?
 

Each state's DMV database of car makers is slightly different and it may have been registered in a state that did not have Leyland in its list.

I don't think any Minis, outside of maybe in Oz and NZ, were called Leyland Minis.  Licensing authorities in the UK continued to use the traditional name of Austin long after the marketing department just called them plain "Minis". My 1988 Mini was listed on its V5 document in England as an Austin when I imported it. So the state title also calls it in Austin.  This is well beyond any dealership in the UK having a big Austin sign hanging in front.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 05, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 05, 2020, 08:56:10 AM
I think there was a reason he didn't show the underside of the car.....or the sills, or any of the other potential bad spots. that was a "Cars and Coffee" car only, I think.

So many people advertise their car as "it gets tons of look wherever you go", I've never understood why that's a selling point......but I guess that's the only reason some people buy a car. I buy them to drive them and have fun doing so! I'm less about the looks and more about the drive.

Judging by the flaking chipped paint and rust on the lower inside bottom of the door I am sure the underneath was just as scabby.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 05, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 05, 2020, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 05, 2020, 08:21:28 AM
Quote from: Scargo on September 05, 2020, 07:31:16 AM

If it's a '78, why is it not titled as a Leyland Mini in lieu of an Austin Mini?
 

Each state's DMV database of car makers is slightly different and it may have been registered in a state that did not have Leyland in its list.

I don't think any Minis, outside of maybe in Oz and NZ, were called Leyland Minis.  Licensing authorities in the UK continued to use the traditional name of Austin long after the marketing department just called them plain "Minis". My 1988 Mini was listed on its V5 document in England as an Austin when I imported it. So the state title also calls it in Austin.  This is well beyond any dealership in the UK having a big Austin sign hanging in front.

They actually were called or fell under the umbrella of Leyland cars for a while well at least on a few of the V5's/titles on Minis I imported.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on September 06, 2020, 08:24:30 AM
In late '69 after BMC merged with Jaguar and transformed into British Leyland, the Austin and Morris brands ceased to exist. From that point on they were simply known as Mini and carried hybrid Mini badges with a Leyland insignia. The only exception to this was during a brief period in the mid-80's when Austin badges reappeared on some models. British Leyland ran the show until '86 which is when Rover took over until the end.


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2020, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Scargo on September 06, 2020, 08:24:30 AM
In late '69 after BMC merged with Jaguar and transformed into British Leyland, the Austin and Morris brands ceased to exist. From that point on they were simply known as Mini and carried hybrid Mini badges with a Leyland insignia. The only exception to this was during a brief period in the mid-80's when Austin badges reappeared on some models. British Leyland ran the show until '86 which is when Rover took over until the end.

I don't dispute that at all.  But that doesn't change the fact that some people, some dealerships, and even the UK's national DVLA licensing authority continued to officially call them Austin Minis way into the late 1980s.   Not unlike how some people here in the US still think Dodge makes and sells new pickup trucks - but there hasn't been a new Dodge pickup made for over a decade now.

If you use this site below, besides understanding how many certain models are still left in the UK, you can also get a peek as to how Minis were licensed/titled. 

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Leyland+mini
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2020, 04:59:34 PM
The VTEC Mini in Canada sold for $22,500.   Sure looks like the seller took quite a haircut on that car.   I wonder if the buyer was in the US and is going to run the gauntlet on trying to import it?   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 07, 2020, 06:08:46 PM
wow, I didn't think they were going to run the auctions today.....so much for the holiday?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 07, 2020, 06:23:44 PM
Remember, they have been running international auctions for some time.  Labor Day is a US holiday and just another regular day for most the rest of the world.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 07, 2020, 07:14:56 PM
As far as I remember they run auctions every day including Christmas Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 11, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Anyone else notice the absence of Miniguy from BaT bidding lately?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 12, 2020, 08:22:16 AM
His site has been down for the last 3 weeks.  He has also not been responding to calls or emails.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 15, 2020, 11:03:16 AM
I was told all his ad's have been taken down too.
Did he remove your ad Michael?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 16, 2020, 12:53:33 PM
That sounds like a good plan Michael.
Regarding listing the Marcos with BaT as the site attracts bidders from all over the World i could see it being sold in Japan or the UK where they are more well known.
I thought you just recently (this year) got the Burton?
Good luck with the sale of both.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 16, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Malcolm,

I did just get the Burton this year (bought it in December, but it did not ship until April and arrived in May).  With the economy the way it is and the oil & gas industry continuing to slump, I am having to give up the extra toys to protect finances.

I am keeping the red Saloon you helped me with last November.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 16, 2020, 02:00:16 PM
When will the Burton go live on BaT?  What are you hoping to see out of it when it sells? Did they give you a good reserve? I've seen some pretty low reserves lately on cars they don't have a good track record with....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 16, 2020, 04:45:58 PM
I do not know when it will go live yet.  They are still working on the write-up.  I am expecting the draft of the write-up sometime next week for approving.  Then I should get an idea of when it will go live.

They did give me the reserve I wanted - right at my break-even (which is in the range that most Citroen 2CVs have been going for on BaT).  I also have the options of removing the reserve early and considering the high bid if it goes RNM.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 17, 2020, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 16, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Malcolm,

I did just get the Burton this year (bought it in December, but it did not ship until April and arrived in May).  With the economy the way it is and the oil & gas industry continuing to slump, I am having to give up the extra toys to protect finances.

I am keeping the red Saloon you helped me with last November.

Smart move on protecting your finances.
Keeping the Mini too as I don't see their prices going down anytime soon.
Looking at Mini prices lately and remembering all the ones I have sold over the years I am guessing it would take around $3k to $5k more to buy any one of them back.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 19, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
Currently there is a 2021 MINI GPS for sale on BaT with only 32 miles on it. So.......why?

Speculator looking for a big payday? Seems unlikely as there are a number of them on dealer's lots currently......

Somebody forgot to get the wife's OK before they bought it?

Too fast?

Too slow?

Thought it had a manual gearbox when ordered? (they're all 8 speed autos with paddle shifters)

Since it's titled, taxed and tagged and has to be sold as a used car, do you think they'll even break even?

Claims he's not a flipper (even tho he's sold millions of dollars of cars on BaT), says he bought it for the wife and it was "too much car for her" and she won't drive it. I call BS on that story, but who knows - he might be telling the truth. "Reserve is just below MSRP so someone can get a good deal" yeah, right.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2021-mini-cooper-john-cooper-works-gp/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2021-mini-cooper-john-cooper-works-gp/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 19, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 19, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
Currently there is a 2021 MINI GPS for sale on BaT with only 32 miles on it.

....

Thought it had a manual gearbox when ordered? (they're all 8 speed autos with paddle shifters)


Boo.  Hiss.   :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 19, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
You left pedal pushers give me a pain..... ::)

There is nothing inherently better about a stick shift car today, it's only personal preference. All this crap about more driver involvement, better feel for what the car is doing and so on is just that - crap. It's just personal preference.

You all are welcome to it (I have my share of pedal cars too, you know) but stop trying to make like it's some conspiracy to take away all the performance or some such nonsense.

It's just personal preference......and stop with the boo hiss every time someone mentions their car is an automatic.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 19, 2020, 04:50:01 PM
You apologists for automatic transmissions give me a pain too.  ;D     

You read an awful lot into a Boo and a Hiss.  I said nothing about driver involvement, performance, or anything else. 

Slushboxes are not for everyone.  Especially me.  My point was that they should at least offer a manual transmission and not exclusively an automatic.  Especially on the top-of-the-line fun version of the MINI.    Fun being the operative word.  Give people the manual option for their personal preference for what they consider fun.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on September 19, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
Yep.  Stick and pedal is great for fun driving and more driver involvement.

Auto/paddle is for ease of use and max speed.  Still requires envolvement with the paddles.

My philosophy on auto boxes changed mightily driving the F430 Scuderia on a track.  I wouldn't have accelerated as fast hit the speeds I did or hit the apex's like I did if I was worried about pushing a third pedal and moving a stick around.  Flicking a paddle for micro second shifts made the experience sooo much more enjoyable.  Now if this was my back road enjoy a drive car, yes I'd love a manual option. 

So guess I'm with Bruce.  There should be a manual option.  Then again in this time and age they are probably only losing a fraction of a percent of business by not doing so.  So pretty sure the bean counters have mixed it.

Want an analog car, get classic analog car.  Plenty of after market stuff out there to make any classic as if not more reliable than a new car. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 19, 2020, 05:53:31 PM
Not the first time you've boo'd and hiss'd about the automatic.

I'm told they didn't have a manual available that would take the HP and torque, not that they didn't want to offer it - tho you can't even buy a manual on most "fun, sporty" cars these days, let alone sedans and such.

But I don't know why you'd care - it's not an R53, you're not going to buy one at any rate - even if it did have a stick.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 19, 2020, 08:16:04 PM
I read an article a long while back that discussed the differences in styles of transmissions.  It basically broke them down into 3 categories: Manual, regular automatic, and performance automatic and two "eras" for each category: older and modern.

It started with a "historical" perspective of manual transmissions (older and modern) being superior to the older, standard automatics (pre-performance category).  It pointed out that there has been more limited advancements to manual transmissions over time, such that modern automatics (both regular and performance) now surpass manual transmissions.

For me, I seem to not quite manage the mental adaptation required to manage the paddle shift types.  I prefer manuals purely for the "fun" factor gr8kornholio mentioned.  After reading the article, I stopped deceiving myself about manual transmissions being better than either style of modern transmission.  Especially when you consider most manuals stop at 6-speed setups and modern autos go to 8-speed and 10-speed options in performance cars and trucks.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on September 22, 2020, 06:41:19 AM
Back on Sept. 5, I reported here that the Mini & a half had been listed on Mania for $22K.

When I checked their classifieds yesterday, I noticed it had been dropped to $21K. Today it's down to $20k.

I still think he needs to ditch the trailer.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 22, 2020, 06:49:16 AM
I offered to buy the trailer from him, never got a response.... 8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on September 22, 2020, 07:07:18 AM
I'll take the bar stools, as I could use some kindling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 22, 2020, 07:22:45 AM
I submitted the Mini Marcos to BaT yesterday to see about selling it there.  They have accepted it for listing.  Now begins the wait while they put that together.  I'll let folks know when it is supposed to go live.

I am still waiting to find out the "live" date on the Burton as well.  They are supposed to be finishing up the listing draft on it this week.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 22, 2020, 06:49:16 AM
I offered to buy the trailer from him, never got a response.... 8.gif

There is a guy on FB in Arizona selling his Mini trailer as he sold the van that was pulling it.
I can't remember his name but Nate Kupla works on his Mini's, Michael something.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

I have heard that the State of CA (not sure which department or office) has closed Michael Lewis's operation/website down completely.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 22, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
I'm not desperate to buy one.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
I think it was cheap but was not ready to go.
I don't blame you i have thought about one but ended up getting a Coleman one that weighs just 180lbs and can be parked upright.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 22, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

I have heard that the State of CA (not sure which department or office) has closed Michael Lewis's operation/website down completely.

That sounds pretty serious. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 05:28:02 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 22, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

I have heard that the State of CA (not sure which department or office) has closed Michael Lewis's operation/website down completely.

That sounds pretty serious.

I wonder what a guy has to do to have the state take your business away 🤔
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on September 23, 2020, 05:32:27 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 05:28:02 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 22, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

I have heard that the State of CA (not sure which department or office) has closed Michael Lewis's operation/website down completely.

That sounds pretty serious.

I wonder what a guy has to do to have the state take your business away 🤔

In California? Probably not much these days.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 23, 2020, 06:51:13 AM
What business?

His was not a business as far as the state was concerned - he didn't have a dealer's lic any more, he doesn't buy and sell anything....I don't understand what he did that was wrong either.....but I'm sure there were laws in there someplace that he ran afoul of.

We have no factual information, so until we do we can't judge either him or the state.

I understand the guy with the light blue car with the trailer not wanting to take $11K for it - whether it's worth $20K remains to be seen, I don't remember all the specifics of the car, but it seemed like it was worth more than $11k - I wonder why it didn't attract more bids? I also offered to buy the trailer during the auction, just in case the bidders didn't want it. No one said anything about it to me after that.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: cstudep on September 23, 2020, 05:32:27 AM
Quote from: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 05:28:02 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 22, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on September 22, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on September 15, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
MiniGuy's whole site has been down for just over 3 weeks.  He has also not responded to calls or emails for the same amount of time.

The ads he had posted for a couple cities on CraigsList seem to be gone.  The ad he posted for my Marcos on Mini Mania is still up.

I have my Burton accepted for listing on BaT.  I will see how that goes and may put the Mini Marcos up there as well since MiniGuy has gone missing.

I have heard that the State of CA (not sure which department or office) has closed Michael Lewis's operation/website down completely.

That sounds pretty serious.

I wonder what a guy has to do to have the state take your business away 🤔

In California? Probably not much these days.

Be a salon owner that Pelosi visits?  Lol
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 23, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
No idea what that comment means..... 8.gif

The 35 mile 2021 GP that's for sale on BaT has almost reached what the sticker for a new one is.....I wonder if it will go over, considering there are new cars for sale at the dealerships for sticker (or maybe less?) and of course, you have to add the BaT 5% premium too.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
California has all the salons shut down, but then Pelosi was exposed for going to one sans mask, and the owner last I heard had to shut down.  Maybe Pelosi made a visit to buy a car from Miniguy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 23, 2020, 02:06:45 PM
Good Morning!  Sunday Morning!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 23, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 23, 2020, 06:51:13 AM
What business?

His was not a business as far as the state was concerned - he didn't have a dealer's lic any more, he doesn't buy and sell anything....I don't understand what he did that was wrong either.....but I'm sure there were laws in there someplace that he ran afoul of.

We have no factual information, so until we do we can't judge either him or the state.

I understand the guy with the light blue car with the trailer not wanting to take $11K for it - whether it's worth $20K remains to be seen, I don't remember all the specifics of the car, but it seemed like it was worth more than $11k - I wonder why it didn't attract more bids? I also offered to buy the trailer during the auction, just in case the bidders didn't want it. No one said anything about it to me after that.....

I am only speculating and have no dog in this fight but maybe as he lost his dealers license before around 2006 or so and was fined a good amount by the Sate it played a big part in him running into trouble with them again.

Whether you consider him selling the car or not Dave he was making a commission/profit on every sale he put together plus a listing fee, it could be something as simple as undeclared income for that matter it could be any one of a number of things.

AFAIK and have heard he did not have any licenses at all to run the brokering of cars through his website and as we all know there are a lot of other things like a bond, escrow accounts, city and county licenses, taxes and if collected and due and the likes of such that go along with selling cars which i am sure California has more of than anywhere else.

I don't know about California but i do know in Florida if you loose a dealers license you are not allowed to be licensed to sell cars in any kind of a capacity again period.

Again just my thoughts but it will be interesting to see what comes out of this.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on September 23, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
I figured there'd be a lot involved with brokering cars, which seemed to be what he primarily did.  I know for a period of time in the early 2000s when I was importing cars with Peter Cavalo as part of WestPa Minis, I was able to sell 6 cars yearly without having a license. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 23, 2020, 03:00:04 PM
Like I said, till the facts are known it's all speculation.

I don't know that brokering a deal requires the same license as being a dealer - but I don't know so again, we'll all just have to wait and see if it comes out. There are a lot of nasty rumors being spread.

I also do not have a dog in this fight - the only thing I know of him is I sat next to him at dinner in Aspen at the Mini meet....the only other thing I know for sure is that he's really tall! That's it....   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2020, 11:33:50 AM
Lets get back on the thread topic with some good thoughts.

MK 3 Cooper S Glacier white with a blue interior in Canada is up for sale on BaT already at $12,750.

Fully restored originally from Europe so it is already LHD, it should do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 25, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
$15K now - on the first day. Sheesh.....

Looks like a nice car tho, money was spent for sure to fix it up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 25, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
Apparently well known in Ontario for his quality restoration work.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
Yeah, it's already pulling in the money with bids.  Looks to be very, very clean. And done up with an emphasis on originality.

Unfortunately, IMO, the Mk. III Cooper S is the least interesting of all the years of Coopers.  By that time British Leyland was hardly differentiating the Cooper S from the Mini 850 in appearance.   Unlike the Mk. I Coopers which had more chrome pieces, bumper overriders, and special interior features such as gold brocade upholstery, the MK. III's just had the same plain black interior as the rest of the Mini range and where often monotone painted too - a sin for any Mini.  Because of those things, the MK. III Cooper S is also the easiest Mini model to copy (most counterfeited? most imitated?). I'm not saying this one is a copy - it's just a very nice Mini without any flair. (I'm ready for the Office Space references)

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-austin-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1971_austin_mini_1599266011611b920a492f3b225DSC03607-scaled-e1600787559113.jpg?fit=940%2C626)






Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 28, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 26, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
Yeah, it's already pulling in the money with bids.  Looks to be very, very clean. And done up with an emphasis on originality.

Unfortunately, IMO, the Mk. III Cooper S is the least interesting of all the years of Coopers.  By that time British Leyland was hardly differentiating the Cooper S from the Mini 850 in appearance.   Unlike the Mk. I Coopers which had more chrome pieces, bumper overriders, and special interior features such as gold brocade upholstery, the MK. III's just had the same plain black interior as the rest of the Mini range and where often monotone painted too - a sin for any Mini.  Because of those things, the MK. III Cooper S is also the easiest Mini model to copy (most counterfeited? most imitated?). I'm not saying this one is a copy - it's just a very nice Mini without any flair. (I'm ready for the Office Space references)

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-austin-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1971_austin_mini_1599266011611b920a492f3b225DSC03607-scaled-e1600787559113.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Actually there were quite a few different interior colours up to six although not all at the same time during the one year 1600 unit production run according to Parnell.
I must admit though most of the ones i have ever seen are either black or Navy blue.

Lord Stokes was the killer of the Cooper S as he did not want to pay John Cooper a royalty anymore which was supposedly a measly £5.00 per car and so the Mini Clubman 1275 GT was created.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 28, 2020, 03:58:45 PM
Another Mini as appeared on BaT. 

It is being touted as a "Cooper S tribute" which of course is a bunch of BS.  It's simply a late '70s Mini 1000 with a 1300 and disc brakes.  A bit rough is this Mini, with holes in the carpet, holes in the seats, and some visits of the tin worm in the A-panel and windshield scuttle among other places. 

Still, it's a running Mini and it's being auctioned at No Reserve.   My guess is will sell for perhaps $8K to $10K. Unless somebody goes crazy and ignores common sense.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1978_mini_cooper_s_15985287745ef66e7dff9f98764d1978_mini_cooper_s_1598528774495d565ef66eee16d556-ab6b-4777-b04e-b420e4b7215b-N68ZIt-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 28, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
The white Mk. III Cooper S is up to $20K now, with 3 days left in the auction.  I'm thinking this will go into the mid-thirties. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 01, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Ignore that red Mini currently on BaT that is said to be a "tribute" Cooper S, this one actually is a tribute Mini!

And it is a No Reserve auction too.  Wow. 

Even though this is in Greece, the seller has a stellar record on BaT, so I think this will go for some serious money.  Especially when you consider it is not a real Cooper S.  I think this may go into the upper $30K's or maybe higher. 

Oh, and 'free' shipping is included too.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1967_austin_mini_1601421988519f6b34c989820200903_184633.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 01, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 28, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
The white Mk. III Cooper S is up to $20K now, with 3 days left in the auction.  I'm thinking this will go into the mid-thirties.

It was only bid to $29,250 and went Reserve Not Me.  RNM is no surprise at that amount.     It's a very nice Cooper S, but I think it being a sort of plain looking white Mk. III hurt it a bit, as compared to a Mk. I or Mk. II in a different color.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 01, 2020, 02:40:03 PM
$30K seems like a reasonable amount for that MKIII, as they're not as in demand as the earlier cars....plus the $1500 buyers fee.

That's a great looking rally Mini!

The other tribute Mini is a little sad looking - it was repainted in a non matching color, seats and dash torn, and house carpeting.....it just needs some stuff done to make it even OK.

I'll bet it doesn't make $10K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 01, 2020, 03:48:47 PM
The winning Acropolis Mini rally replica looks great with a lot of attention to detail.
It makes a change to see a tribute rally Mini done without the 33 EJB registration plates on it.

I am surprised the MK III S did not attract some UK bids as they seem to do better over there, it looked like a good solid build maybe the monotone white made it look too much like a Liverpool cop car LOL.

I agree the red "tribute" Mini is going to have a hard time getting some good bids, too much work for most buyers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 01, 2020, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on October 01, 2020, 03:48:47 PM


I agree the red "tribute" Mini is going to have a hard time getting some good bids, too much work for most buyers.

Yeah, the Seller mentioned a bodyshop had said the bubbling rust on both A-panels and the windshield scuttle was "manageable/easily fixed".   Sure, sure.  I bet the bodyshop he asked has worked on exactly zero Minis and is assuming panels just unbolt. 

Of course, part of any discussion on vehicle rust is based upon the person's geography-influenced perspective.  If you are from a warm, dry state, no amount of rust, even if it is just brown-colored metal, is "okay".  But if you are from the rust belt, you grade rust on a curve and as long as your booted foot doesn't fit all the way into the rust hole, it's "okay".   From a Texas perspective, the rust on that Mini is major, and just the tip of the iceberg.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 02, 2020, 05:53:13 AM
A real Mk. I Cooper S now on BaT.   Looks very nice.   

Just 2 owners and it's always been in California. 

I expect this one to really go high. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-14/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1967_austin-healey_sprite_1598302808fa9d730DSC_0177-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C622)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 02, 2020, 07:46:53 AM
Makes more sense to pay $50K for this one than that white "barn find" a couple years ago that started the BaT run up in mini prices. Wonder what the reserve is on this one? $40K? $50K? Being able to register it in Ca is a huge bonus....

$25,670 on the first day....so far!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 02, 2020, 07:56:53 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 02, 2020, 07:46:53 AM
Makes more sense to pay $50K for this one than that white "barn find" a couple years ago that started the BaT run up in mini prices. Wonder what the reserve is on this one? $40K? $50K? Being able to register it in Ca is a huge bonus....

Yeah.  But the Brits have a hunger for Mk I Cooper S models so it could end up there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 02, 2020, 08:05:10 AM
I always wonder when I see big bids on the first couple of days if they're real or shill bids to make the value look higher?

This is a very nice car, someone spent some money re-doing it, I wish they hadn't painted it resale red but stayed with the original almond green and OEW.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on October 02, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
I know this car and the owner. It has been red for over 15 years as I believe that is when I first saw it at a show, although it could be earlier.

be interesting to see where this goes. No lottery money for me
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 03, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
Yes if you want it to be original the almond green with oew white roof should have stayed but from all my years of selling and importing cars some owners do not like green in any shape or form or yellow for that matter.

Really needs a black roof though but his car so i guess he built it the way he wanted and a white roof is a lot cooler in Sunny CA.

It looks to have been restored correctly and to a very high standard and apart from the colour and the wheels it would not take much to make it very close to correct.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 04, 2020, 02:28:04 PM
Things are heating up for some of the Minis on BaT - with still many days left in the auctions. 

The red/white (formerly green/white) Cooper S is already at $32K with 5 days left (!). 

And the red/white Mini 850 done up nicely like a winning rally replica is up to $20K with 4 days left. 

The all red Mini 1000 from NZ is yet to make $6K with less than a day left. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 04, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
And the non-Mini Burton is over $10K with 2 days left... 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 04, 2020, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 04, 2020, 02:28:04 PM
Things are heating up for some of the Minis on BaT - with still many days left in the auctions. 

The red/white (formerly green/white) Cooper S is already at $32K with 5 days left (!). 

And the red/white Mini 850 done up nicely like a winning rally replica is up to $20K with 4 days left. 

The all red Mini 1000 from NZ is yet to make $6K with less than a day left.

I think that the rally replica will need to bring top dollar to sell, the owner indicated it was expensive to buy but being overseas may hurt the bidding.

The NZ Mini is cheap at less than $6k with a decent 1275 but needs a fair amount of cosmetic work.

The 67S should do $40k plus imo even though it is not 100% original.

Michael's Burton is the best looking 2CV factory built kit car I have seen way better than the Lomax ones.
GLWTA Michael.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
And now a Moke is on BaT.   Looks to be a nice one.

It's said to be one of the early Portuguese-built Mokes, and it is definitely dark RED - a color not often seen on Mokes. 

Within the first hour, the very first bid is a healthy $15,000 one which in no way should be regarded as a *cough*shill*cough* bid.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-austin-mini-moke/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1983_austin_mini_moke_160131425153ebc801fb714305FAC3-CFAB-48FA-B4A5-C230A9AA0101.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 05, 2020, 08:29:03 AM
The body tub is an Aussie one - it has the kick-outs at the rear wheel wells for the longer trailing arms and 13" wheels.

As far as I know, all Portuguese Mokes had the straight drop rear panel and 12" wheels.

1983 is into the Portuguese Moke range as I recall 1981/82 was the final production for Aussie Mokes.  (My first Moke was a 1981 Aussie Moke, supposedly built in the last year of production.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 05, 2020, 08:44:36 AM
Are the air vents under the speedo stock? It's kinda funny having air vents in a car as open as a Moke!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2020, 08:47:10 AM
Well, British Leyland made Mokes in Portugal well before Cagiva, and it's my understanding that the early ones - in the early 1980s - were identical to the Oz ones.  Later on they figured on some cost savings by using regular length Mini rear trailing arms and 12" wheels.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2020, 08:50:04 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 05, 2020, 08:44:36 AM
Are the air vents under the speedo stock? It's kinda funny having air vents in a car as open as a Moke!

I don't know. Of course this was also the era of having fully enclosed bodywork available for all weather use.  So maybe the vents  would be needed then.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 05, 2020, 09:17:29 AM
That is a non-standard heater arrangement feeding to factory demister vents below the windshield.

The 1981 Aussie Moke I owned came with a standard Mini heater and the windshield vents.  I have seen quite a mix in various pictures of Aussie Mokes.

I dug out my Moke book ("Mini Moke, Ultimate Portfoliio") and Bruce is correct that the earliest Portuguese Mokes were the same as the late Aussie Mokes.  Aussie production ended in 1982 and Portuguese production is said to have begun 2 years later.  In 1986, they went back to the standard Mini rear arms and 12" wheels.  The Cagiva Mokes began in 1991 according to the book.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 28, 2020, 03:58:45 PM
Another Mini as appeared on BaT. 

It is being touted as a "Cooper S tribute" which of course is a bunch of BS.  It's simply a late '70s Mini 1000 with a 1300 and disc brakes.  A bit rough is this Mini, with holes in the carpet, holes in the seats, and some visits of the tin worm in the A-panel and windshield scuttle among other places. 

Still, it's a running Mini and it's being auctioned at No Reserve.   My guess is will sell for perhaps $8K to $10K. Unless somebody goes crazy and ignores common sense.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-cooper-s/


Wow. Bids more than doubled in price in the last hour of the auction - very active with bidders joining at (what seemed like) the last minute.  This Mini sold for $11,750.   Quite a lot for that car I think
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 05, 2020, 02:03:12 PM
Yeah, that car was ruff, ruff!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 05, 2020, 03:22:15 PM
Yes it needed a lot of work, risky doing a no reserve auction but as he had lost his job he needed to sell so i am glad he got a more than fair imo price.

The burgandy Moke looks good but used to be a Catalina Island Moke so who knows how rusty it was or wasn't but looking at the pics the floors look to be original and good.

Funny the owner said the top should be down when going faster than 45mph not sure where he came by that but i have driven at 60 mph and towed my Moke for hours on the interstate at 70 mph plus with no problems with the top up, i guess it may depend on how well it is fitted and attached.

The rally Mini seems to have stalled.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 05, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
I thought I read the floors had been replaced on the Moke? I may be confusing it with one of the other Minis this week.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 05, 2020, 11:27:43 PM
It must have been another one Dave as I didn't see any reference to the floors being replaced.
Larry Holloway has posted on the auction and stated that it is in fact an Aussie Moke not a Portuguese one so it seems the year is incorrect.
Larry has some first hand experience with the Catalina Mokes as he was the buyer of them and organized the shipping of the whole Catalina Island Moke rental fleet back to the States years ago.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 06, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
And a very early Mini 850 is now being offered. It's a 1959, and by the VIN, it's one of the first 10,000 Minis made.   The upholstery has changed (I guess that's to be expected over the course of 60+ years), but many of the early Mini features remain. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-morris-850/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1959_morris_850_1601495780249ea41801-VtYsGKN.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 06, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
While I agree there is a lot to recommend this car - it has some glaring faults - like the terrible quality paint job. And it looks like the boot floor was cut out and some flat sheet metal was laid in but I don't see any welds?

And the color change didn't do it any favors.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 06, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Yeah, it looks like the spare tire well has been cut out completely.  Due to rust? And a flat sheet metal panel just laid over the open hole and riveted in.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 07, 2020, 10:44:20 AM
Red Cooper S is at $40K now with 2 days left to go, the red rallye car is at $25K.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 07, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
I am surprised the rally car is not doing better especially with a no reserve auction but these BaT cars get a lot of bids in the last few hours.

The red S is pretty nice maybe it will hit $50k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2020, 12:57:49 PM
Holy crap! That rallye car sold for $58,500!  What the hell is going on?????

I saw an MG Midget go for $22K yesterday!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 08, 2020, 02:29:08 PM
Agreed. That's a whole lotta money for the rally car - especially when you consider it's built from a Mini 850 and not a real Cooper S.  But on the other hand it was done up accurately with all the special switches and relays, bits and everything else that is super hard to find now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 08, 2020, 07:51:50 PM
Yes I was amazed at the price too.
It was really stalled out for a few days and took off at the end which is expected but double the bid of where it was a few hours before and no reserve too wow.
Shipping included as well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2020, 11:35:56 AM
The red (no longer green) Cooper S was bid to $45,000 and went RNM. 

But a little cloud has appeared on the auction:  an employee of the Seller made a bid - said to be a personal bid - in the final minutes.  The implication is a possible shill bid.   Hmmmm. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2020, 12:16:04 PM
Oh no!, THAT never happens!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
But this time a hand was found in the cookie jar!   :D   BaT is diplomatically trying to explain it away.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
Bad precedent, no question.....and so obvious.

I know this stuff goes on at the big auction houses too.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2020, 01:09:14 PM
The comments are worth reading as the Seller works to 'clarify' exactly what happened.  More interesting details are being added.

*cough*bullshit*cough*
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2020, 01:48:27 PM
Geez.  The past six or so Minis on BaT have been RED  (even a red Moke) and the trend continues with the latest auction.

This car is not listed as a Cooper or Cooper-tribute, but it does wear a Cooper S badge.  I also spotted pedals and switchgear that are not from 1972.  Plus the half-leather Mini 30 seats and rear 3-point belts don't point to the 70s either. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-austin-mini-cooper-5/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1972_austin_mini_cooper_16001099178764da1972_austin_mini_cooper_1600109916dff9f98764da6a42dcad-a611-4264-a3b5-c6ced4892b62-odAbw0-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 09, 2020, 02:01:16 PM
What are you saying Bruce? Are you suggesting it could be a *shudder* revin!  Say it ain't so, BaT!  ;D

No wait - I know - it was "updated"  to 80's specs!   ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 09, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
Yeah. A seller has to be either brave or dumb to auction a re-VIN on BaT.  It will be pointed out, and it will negatively affect the bids.

Edit: the Seller of the "1972" Mini has posted that the Commission Number plate attached to his Mini belongs to a some unknown  Mini Clubman and definitely not his Mini. 

Quoting:
"...Finally, the Commission number plate is from a Clubman Estate. Unfortunately, I do not have any information on where this plate came from or why it was installed there but decided to leave it."

Why O Why he did not remove the incorrect and misleading little number plate - which of course isn't needed - before offering his car to the world (and thus opening up his inaction to criticism) is unknowable.   It of course means the car's VIN plate - sitting right next to the Commission Number plate - is likewise going to receive a lot of scrutiny.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 11, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
100% my thoughts exactly.

Looking at it and the later parts I would think it is around an 82 to 84 model.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 11, 2020, 05:35:03 PM

100% my thoughts exactly.

Looking at it and the later parts I would think it is around an 82 to 84 model.

It is hard to believe that a rally replica is worth $13k more than a nice but not original MKI Cooper S.

The burgundy Moke has no extra bids after those first day high bids right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 13, 2020, 07:32:34 AM
The burgandy Moke sold for $17,500.
It had only 5 bids i am guessing the combination of the bugandy colour and bright blue top may have slowed the bidding.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 13, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
I think it shows how high shill bids at the opening few days kill the auction.....although the S that went for $58.5 had some pretty high bids right out of the gate too.....so what do I know? But that $16K bid on the first day really killed it IMHO.

But at $17,500 that was a pretty good buy for a decent Moke.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 13, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, nice Moke for that money. 

The 1959 Mini is at $9600 now with an hour left and the seller has pulled the reserve (how high was the reserve?).

And comments on the "1972" Mini auction have (predictably) turned into a nonstop discussion of re-VIN-ing — with the seller trying to steer things back to focusing on the car itself.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 13, 2020, 03:06:15 PM
Wow.  The 1959 Mini (with rusty rockers and no boot floor) just sold for $15,250.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 13, 2020, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 13, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, nice Moke for that money. 

The 1959 Mini is at $9600 now with an hour left and the seller has pulled the reserve (how high was the reserve?).

And comments on the "1972" Mini auction have (predictably) turned into a nonstop discussion of re-VIN-ing — with the seller trying to steer things back to focusing on the car itself.   

I thought that the 59 Mini should have been all done at $9600, i am thinking it probably did so well as it was apart from the sills and boot floor fairly rust free by the standards of a lot of early Minis especially UK ones, maybe it is going home.

The re vinned Mini owner does not seem to care and is posting what he has found out about the cars real identity and kudo's to him for being honest, maybe he already knew maybe he didn't.
The bids do not seem to be going far though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 17, 2020, 06:00:00 AM
The re-VIN'd red "1972" Mini went Reserve Not Met at $13,275 !    That's kind of crazy.  I wonder how high the Reserve was and why BaT let that happen.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 17, 2020, 08:16:32 AM
There have been a LOT of "Bid to" cars lately....wonder what's going on with the reserves?

I think that was all the money for that car - all the money! But then the no boot floor, rusty Mark 1 made HOW much money?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 17, 2020, 09:43:54 AM
MK-I & MK-II Saloons and UK Mokes seem to get the most "love" on BaT.

The others seem to drop off fast in terms of where the bidding caps out.  The other exception seems to be some of the well done "tribute" cars such as the recent rally car.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 17, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: BruceK on October 17, 2020, 06:00:00 AM
The re-VIN'd red "1972" Mini went Reserve Not Met at $13,275 !    That's kind of crazy.  I wonder how high the Reserve was and why BaT let that happen.

100% my thoughts exactly.

It was a lot of money bid and wanted a basic re vinned Mini with a 1275 in it.
Apparently it looks like the high bidder wants to get in touch with the owner so i guess he is prepared to pay more, how much more who knows.

Maybe the 72 title appealed to California bidders.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 20, 2020, 05:06:19 PM
I just saw that Michaels Marcos is finally up for sale on BaT with a couple of bids already.
Good luck with the sale Michael.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
Yes.  Good luck Michael.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-marcos-mini-marcos/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1974_marcos_mini_marcos_1603158914a56eb1e1f8cbe183b9DSCF0003.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 20, 2020, 06:43:38 PM
The "live' notice and several bids came in while I was offline for dinner and a tv break.

Time to get involved to read and respond to comments.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2020, 08:12:31 PM
And now a Mk. I Mini is on BaT.  Born an 850, it's a 998 now.   This one has lost some of its Mk. I charm with black interior, but it is not all boy-racer pretend Cooper either.   The absence of wheel arch extensions is nice IMO and suits an early Mini. 

I don't remember ever seeing a "D" in a Mk. I VIN - what am I missing?

Is that a coil in the boot to shoot flames in the exhaust? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-minor-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1961_morris_minor_160009779998a42a7ce4mini1.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on October 20, 2020, 09:20:25 PM
Those mirrors just do not look correct on a Mark1 that is for sure. I have also sat in that style of seat and disliked them immensely.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: ADRay on October 21, 2020, 04:49:05 AM
I like it, however, I think if your going to remove one bumper, you should remove both of them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
I did not even notice the missing rear bumper. Now that you mention it I am not real sure if I like the look or not.

Is the indicator lever usually on the right hand side of the column on a left hand drive car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 21, 2020, 06:40:43 AM
Quote from: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
I did not even notice the missing rear bumper. Now that you mention it I am not real sure if I like the look or not.

Is the indicator lever usually on the right hand side of the column on a left hand drive car?

For an early factory LHD car, the turn indicator lever should be to the left (outside) of the steering column.  This one being on the wrong side tends to indicate the car started life as RHD and was sometime later converted to LHD?  Either that, or needed a replacement lever and only RHD levers were available.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 06:49:05 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 21, 2020, 06:40:43 AM
For an early factory LHD car, the turn indicator lever should be to the left (outside) of the steering column.  This one being on the wrong side tends to indicate the car started life as RHD and was sometime later converted to LHD?  Either that, or needed a replacement lever and only RHD levers were available.

That is what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure. I know it's on the left in my '60 but never really considered if that was actually correct or not.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on October 21, 2020, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 20, 2020, 06:43:38 PM
The "live' notice and several bids came in while I was offline for dinner and a tv break.

Time to get involved to read and respond to comments.

This user must be Crazy Mike,
nyniaan
as he has the red one around Sacramento. The white one from Southern California might belong to Dale Shore, a Mini racer as he had it at Sears Point for the Mini Challenge a few years ago.

Wish I had the spare change, would love to have a Marcos.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 21, 2020, 08:58:17 AM
Even upholstery shops hate those seats.  I love them, guess I like being hugged by the seat.  When I get mine redone I'm going to open the sides for the seatbelt so it fits better. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
I just didn't find them to be all that comfortable, I am sure I could get used to them if I had to. It's pretty easy to see why an upholstery shop would hate them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 21, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 21, 2020, 06:40:43 AM
Quote from: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
I did not even notice the missing rear bumper. Now that you mention it I am not real sure if I like the look or not.

Is the indicator lever usually on the right hand side of the column on a left hand drive car?

For an early factory LHD car, the turn indicator lever should be to the left (outside) of the steering column.  This one being on the wrong side tends to indicate the car started life as RHD and was sometime later converted to LHD?  Either that, or needed a replacement lever and only RHD levers were available.

You are right about the original position of the turn signal lever.   They are super easy to change sides on the column, but it looks like somebody didn't care - or know how when making this LHD.   When I restored my barn-find '65 Mini Traveller which was RHD, I decided to move the turn signal lever to the left side because it was my first RHD car and I didn't want to have to learn to signal with my right hand. (I'm used to it now) With the simplicity of early Minis, all it involved was drilling and taping the column for the turn signal cancel screw and flipping the plastic column cowl upside down. 

A search using the UK reg number shown on this car comes up on the MOT History site as belonging to a 1961 red Mini, so this car definitely appears to have been born a UK-spec RHD car.  There is no detailed MOT history online for this car (and detailed online history data is only ever available starting from about 2008 or so anyway), so that jives with what the auction narrative states about this car being imported to the US in the 1990s. 

Also, missing from the VIN is a "L" indicating LHD, further supporting this being built as a RHD car. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on October 21, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
Good to know about the ease of which the signal lever can be swapped, which makes sense with these cars since many of the parts seem to be designed to swap easily between the LHD and RHD configurations. Good planning there on the designers part, as a designer myself I always like to see the details thought through on things like that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 21, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
The single stalk levers of the MK-I and MK-II Minis were swappable like Bruce says.  The later two stalk levers (turn/hi-low beam/horn on one side and wipers/washer on the other) were not swappable - they had distinct RHD and LHD variations.  Later in production the factory "got lazy" and used the same set for both LHD and RHD cars.  I want to say RHD cars ended up getting LHD switches for a while.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 21, 2020, 11:18:45 AM
Even tho Buzz was RHD, I also swapped out the turn signal and wiper switches, in my case all I had to do was buy the new switches, the housing didn't care....I think it was about $75 in parts total. As for the cancel feature, it's done differently on the newer cars (there's a tab on the steering wheel that engages the mechanism in the switch) so that wasn't an issue either.

It was a whole lot easier for me to do that as I was tired of signaling turns with the wipers.... ;D

I always liked the Mk1 T/S switch with the little green light on the end!

However after owning an early Audi 5000 with it's super neat behind the steering wheel switch controls for everything - even the cruise control, I prefer the newer style now. Although I would prefer the horn button to be in the center of the steering wheel instead of on the end of the T/S switch....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 21, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 21, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
The single stalk levers of the MK-I and MK-II Minis were swappable like Bruce says.  The later two stalk levers (turn/hi-low beam/horn on one side and wipers/washer on the other) were not swappable - they had distinct RHD and LHD variations.  Later in production the factory "got lazy" and used the same set for both LHD and RHD cars.  I want to say RHD cars ended up getting LHD switches for a while.

Yeah, there was a change on nearly all new cars sold in the UK sometime in the 1980s when just left side turn signals were fitted.   So pick any car sold in the past 30 years in the UK (Minis included) and you won't find turn signals on the right anymore.  As switch gear became more complex, this was probably done just to simplify parts and standardize all cars sold in Europe whether LHD or RHD.  After all it's basically just the UK, Ireland, Jersey, and Malta that are RHD.

The funny part is this never happened for RHD in Japan, Oz, and NZ.  They still have the turn signals on the right of the wheel.   My JDM Toyota has right hand turn signals.  I've adapted when driving my truck, but the first week or so I had it I kept using the wiper switch when I wanted to signal a turn.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 22, 2020, 06:05:17 AM
Michael, how come the drive by video of the Marcos isn't up on BaT?  Didn't it turn out okay?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 22, 2020, 07:53:48 AM
I submitted it to them, but they did not link it.

I will see if I can "add" it via the comments.

Thanks for catching that.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on October 23, 2020, 07:45:59 PM
Someone posted a Goodwood video of:
The Mini Marcos driven by Nick Swift and a Lotus Elan had a race-long battle to see who would come out on top, with the Lotus shutting the door numerous occasions on the Mini Marcos. See all the best bits from what was an exciting fight to win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlUG2-8DJmI&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
Moving into the final 4 hours of the auction on my Mini Marcos and activity on it seems dead.  Bidding has been stagnant for days.  A few folks here seem to have been trying to contribute to drumming up some interest.

Not a lot of comments, most have been positive except for the one calling it "butt ugly".

I am afraid it may end up going RNM at this rate even though the reserve is very reasonable - significantly below what I paid for it in the first place.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 27, 2020, 10:12:16 AM
I wonder if being this close to the election is having an effect?

Grasping at straws....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
What is sad is this plain VW wagon is doing so much better than the Mini Marcos:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-volkswagen-type-3-squareback-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-volkswagen-type-3-squareback-3/)

:(

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 27, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
What is sad is this plain VW wagon is doing so much better than the Mini Marcos:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-volkswagen-type-3-squareback-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-volkswagen-type-3-squareback-3/)

:(

I eyeballed those when buying my bus
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 27, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Yes it is amazing that the bids are so low on the Marcos.
I don't get it when folks have negative opinions of something thay seem to have to express and are not even bidding on the vehicle.
There is a true basket case that is the definition of butt ugly and years away from looking as nice as yours Michael that is currently for sale in the UK currently for £4500 GBP.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 02:08:47 PM
I just looked at all of the ones available in the UK and all the road cars need a lot of interior work.  The ones closest to mine are at the £8750 to £9500 GBP range.  Both need lots of interior work and the more expensive one needs significant bodywork as well.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 27, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
Getting some decent bids now up to $15k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 02:22:26 PM
A bit of a "nail biter" for me seeing it start to get some traction.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 27, 2020, 02:24:54 PM
Guy that bought it seems pretty stoked!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 27, 2020, 02:32:19 PM
I am familiar with his same username on the Mini Mania message board from years past.  He was known for being a serious Mini enthusiast.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 27, 2020, 03:28:14 PM
Yes George/GTA Mini is a Mini enthusiast and owns a few including a Catalina Moke.

I am glad it picked up towards the end for you Michael, for a while i thought it had a long way to go to reach reserve and believed it would be RNM.

Congrats on the sale.

On another note the MK I red Mini failed to sell with the final bid at $10,250.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 27, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
That was a nail-biter.  I posted some encouraging comments including the link to the Goodwood race.  Some of the reluctance to bid may have been because the average car guy hadn't seen a Mini Marcos before, so there wasn't the same familiarity as with regular Minis.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on October 28, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: BruceK on October 27, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
including the link to the Goodwood race. 

Thanks for posting the link to the Goodwood race. I would really love to see some footage of the Marcos at lemans...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 30, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on October 28, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
I would really love to see some footage of the Marcos at lemans...

This just got posted to my BaT listing today - a link to the Mini Marcos at LeMans.



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 03, 2020, 07:09:19 PM
Another Moke is now on BaT.   It's been fitted with a 1275. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-9/


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 03, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
I know this Moke well it is a tidy car and well maintained.
He is selling off his collection and moving back to the UK and just keeping two Minis, in fact Dave is working on one of his old Minis a Jap spec with ac he just sold recently.
All his cars are top notch drivers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 04, 2020, 01:41:10 PM
67 Mk1 with a really nice resto done on it - to the tune of $80,000 spent!!!!!!!!!!

Dan, we're working too cheaply, I tell you! $30K on paint and body work....sheesh.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mini-mk-i-3/

Gorgeous car tho, really beautiful.

Michael, this is what your driving video should have looked and sounded like!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 04, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
Dave,

They state right at the start of that video that they used an external microphone.  I do not have one for the action camera I got.  I will need to look into whether one is available (camera supposedly supports one).

I also  noticed they did their drive with all the windows closed.  I had my windows open when I did mine.  (The Burton had the top down, so no windows at all.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 04, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
So, $80,000 for a restoration of a non-Cooper S!?   Holy crap!  A fool and his money.

Sure, it looks very good.  It had damn well better!

Having said all that, the auction has very nice photography.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 04, 2020, 05:21:13 PM
When i watched the video i thought the exhaust note may have been dubbed in but looking at the underneath pictures it looks like a stainless exhaust was fitted and to my ear they sound a little tinny so i guess it could be real.
Nice Mini but $80k build wow, unless a couple of bidders go crazy i am thinking it may be a RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 04, 2020, 05:40:06 PM
Even if reserve is met it's still going to be a tremendous loss.  My guess is this will be lucky to reach $35K in bids. 

I also suspect the comments will start pointing out the folly of spending big money on a non-S model.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 04, 2020, 07:33:38 PM
You can pretty much NEvER pay someone to build you a car and then sell it for anything close to what you paid.  Usually lucky if you can get half. 

Would be curious to see one of the Gildred minis up for sale second hand to see what they fetch cause this money would be one of their really well built vtec cars.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 08, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
Interesting to review the comments on both the blue Saloon and yellow Moke currently on BaT.

The seller on the blue Saloon has only responded a few times and not very well each time - other commenters are having to analyze the pictures and answer the questions when possible.

The seller of the yellow Moke has been absent so far.  Some questions asked remain unanswered.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 08, 2020, 02:45:04 PM
I always wonder when sellers don't respond if they are either too clueless/stupid to know the value of being engaged with the bidders/commenters?   

Or perhaps they really don't want to sell the vehicle and are just going through the motions to please a spouse/relative hoping it goes RNM?

Then again, if I shelled out $80,000 (!) to restore/build a freaking Mini 850 perhaps I'd keep a low profile too.


Edit: just saw the seller's comment that there are no photos of restoration. They were lost.  That's not a good thing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 08, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
A lot of questions on the blue car have gone unanswered too...... I take issue with one thing said on the blue car - a guy asked why anyone would spend $80K on a resto on a non-S Mini and it was answered "because he can" - the person who wrote that is clearly a wealthy individual as he has bids on a number of very expensive vehicles on BaT right now, but I think the comment was disingenuous. Wealthy people didn't get that way by throwing money away on stupid projects. I think it more likely that he turned it over to the shop and lost track or had no idea how much it was costing till he got the bill.

Otherwise, if it was a project he really wanted, why wouldn't he keep it for a while and enjoy it like the guy that Dan restored the 66 for?

It's a gorgeous car and it sure looks like it was done well, but if it sells he's going to take a real haircut on it.

No heat or ventilation either.....and the magic wand transmission - is that still on the 3 synchro 850 gearbox?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on November 08, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
It is indeed baffling why you would spend that kind of money on a "cooper S" tribute kind of car and not at least source a remote gear box for it since that is what a real cooper would have had. Was the 850 the only version with the magic wand?

I don't think the 4 synchro came out until late 60's or so did it? Wanting to say 67 or 68. That said you can get or build up a remote gear box as either 3 or 4 synchro and it's not like the remote box's are all that hard to find, or at least I don't think they are, I have 6 or 7 of them I believe.

Beautiful car, there is no doubt about that but for 80k it damn well ought to be. I love my mini's as much as the next guy, but for 80k I can think of a lot of other cars I would be buying if I was spending that kind of cash.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jeff10049 on November 08, 2020, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on November 04, 2020, 07:33:38 PM
You can pretty much NEvER pay someone to build you a car and then sell it for anything close to what you paid.  Usually lucky if you can get half. 

Would be curious to see one of the Gildred minis up for sale second hand to see what they fetch cause this money would be one of their really well built vtec cars.

Not necessarily true we restore lots of cars where the owner comes out ahead. A lot depends on the finished value of the car the mid-year corvettes can bring over 100k done right and we can normally do that for around 50-60k  that's at $120.00 per hour and no time gave away.

Another problem is most restoration shops are bullshit do shitty work and way overcharge the customer.

That mini is a fine example of this while it might be a nice car it is nowhere near an 80K job not even in the realm at all. It would be impossible to hit 80k at say a rate of $150.00 per hour with the new parts it has and quality level it is done to. So either the owner is full of it or he got screwed.

Hear are a few pics of our current project we might hit 60k it is back to driving and nearly done. This includes the addition of a Tremec 5 speed and vintage air system about 8k of upgrades right there. Every single part of this car was restored all frame and suspension blasted and powder coated.  New interior top etc I mean everything done all stainless sent out for straighten polish there is nothing left you could do And were only at 60k these cars are way more expensive to restore than a mini. This car also needed very extensive fiberglass work and had a broken frame in a few spots.
Only downside to this one is he overpaid for the car at auction it should have been about 30k but he paid 45k so he'll just break even but he wants to keep it so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 10, 2020, 05:38:20 PM
The yellow UK Moke in Florida was doing well in the closing minutes at $25k, then someone raised the bid a full $10k to $35k and his one and only bid secured it.
The Moke is heading to California.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2020, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on November 10, 2020, 05:38:20 PM
The yellow UK Moke in Florida was doing well in the closing minutes at $25k, then someone raised the bid a full $10k to $35k and his one and only bid secured it.
The Moke is heading to California.

A big $10K jump like that seems crazy to me.  If if I did that I'd always be wondering if $1500 could've done it and I didn't need to blow $10,000. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 11, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
Crikeys! What the hell is going on on BaT?

That Blue Mini is at $32,750 with 30 min to go!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 11, 2020, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 11, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
Crikeys! What the hell is going on on BaT?

That Blue Mini is at $32,750 with 30 min to go!

You think that that is crazy it just closed at $50k, silly money for a look a like with lots of unanswered questions on the engine and box.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 11, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
Where was that kind of money on my Mini Marcos auction?

Sheer madness!?!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on November 11, 2020, 01:40:20 PM
Watching stuff on BAT over the years it is definitely one of those places that seems to be out of touch with reality at times.

I saw a 99 3rd gen Toyota 4runner for sale on there a while back, nice vehicle, clean, etc.. but it sold for like 15 grand. For a stock 21 year old Toyota 4runner? That is just nuts.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 11, 2020, 03:49:40 PM
Hang on lads, I've got a plan. Put a car on a BaT auction and claim to have spent a jillion billion dollars on the restoration.  Result: bidders will massively overpay for what it actually is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 20, 2020, 07:37:05 PM
A Mini estate is now being auctioned on BaT.    Still has the 850.  And a non-stock interior. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1965_austin_mini_countryman_woody_1603822215ad47a19e2a6c81fIMG_5986.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 21, 2020, 12:11:19 PM
Looking at the photos of the red estate, I noticed and commented on the fact it has a rare accessory: an aftermarket shifter that converts the magic wand into a version of a remote shifter.  The weird part is this linkage sits inside the car atop the hump enclosed in a box.  I haven't seen one of those since the 1970s.   

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1598579197dd7adabIMG_2790-scaled.jpg?fit=2048%2C1365)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 21, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
I wondered about that - I've NEVER seen one.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 21, 2020, 02:15:06 PM
I need to follow this one to get an idea of what ours are worth. If BAT is any real indicator. Curious that it has a brake servo with an 850 and that it was replaced.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on November 21, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
The shifter is the SPQR "Major Change". They are around, used and sometimes unused, but can be hard to find. The molded plastic cover is more rare than the shifter mechanism.
Kelley
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 21, 2020, 03:00:33 PM
This one says it had a new engine for $4000, new interior for $2500 and paint job for $2000 including rust repair. I have no idea what kind of paint job you can get done for $2K these days......also, when I went to the address listed on the invoices its now a UPS depot?

Edit: OK, found them.....they're way off of that road
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 23, 2020, 06:22:04 PM
A Mk I Mini not pretending to be a Cooper is now on BaT.   This one i
Is still badged as an Austin Seven.  Sure, it has a few updates.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-austin-7/
 
Edit:   Geez just a couple of hours into the 7 day auction and bidding is already up to $14K.   Wow.


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1960_austin_7_16056323782db1760IMG_1678.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 23, 2020, 06:31:45 PM
Mk 1's are hot!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 23, 2020, 07:09:34 PM
This car looks great, but has some issues.  None of the gauges including the speedo work, and turn signals don't work either.  Still has a generator.  And for some reason (laziness? ignorance? indifference?) it's still positive ground.  Not a big deal to one of us - as we know early cars have super simple wiring.  Motorcycle simple.   But those issues already seem to be causing a lot of questions from potential bidders.  That may scare some folks away.

The car also has many, many pages of invoices and receipts.   So the next owner may just pay someone else ($$$$$) to deal with the issues.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 23, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
The guy says he has $27K in rects plus the purchase price!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 24, 2020, 05:52:20 PM
A pretty darn nice restored Mk I Cooper S is now on BaT.

I suspect this will go for some seriously big bucks.  I sure hope it sells for more than the non-S recently auctioned.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-cooper-s-16/


  (https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1967_austin_mini_cooper_s_1605016349fabbf2e1b27603.jpg?fit=940%2C626)
 




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 24, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 23, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
The guy says he has $27K in rects plus the purchase price!

Just saw a post on MM by the owner and he stated he will be happy to break even so I am guessing he is looking to get somewhere in the mid $30's. With what the blue one did last week I am sure this figure can be reached.

The red Countryman with the crappy paint job is not going anywhere fast still sitting at $8k.

The white S is nice and looks like the guy started with a nice relatively rust free shell and it will do well, even Heritage garage is bidding on it.
I like the jig/mold the guy made to pull/stretch out the accident damage to the rear light apertures. It probably took more time than to just heat and beat on it or weld in a new panel but to me he showed he wanted to do it right.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on November 24, 2020, 11:51:42 PM
Born just 8 days before my 60. Numbers are consistent with mine; slightly less.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 27, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 20, 2020, 07:37:05 PM
A Mini estate is now being auctioned on BaT.    Still has the 850.  And a non-stock interior. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-countryman-woody-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1965_austin_mini_countryman_woody_1603822215ad47a19e2a6c81fIMG_5986.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Bids went up to $13,250 on this car and the auction went Reserve Not Meet.   

But get this: with just minutes to spare before the auction ended, the seller posted a comment and announced that the reserve was $24,000.  But he'd lower it to $19,000 if you buy the car.  Holy crap.   Remember, this was for a car with a 850 engine and a paint job said by many commenters to be of questionable quality.  Information about the reserve amount did not spur on more bids racing to the reserve - instead it took all the air out of the room and no more bids appeared. 

BaT sure seems to be inconsistent about when they will let someone have a HIGH reserve, while they will force other sellers to set extremely LOW reserves.   This reserve on this Mini was crazy IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 27, 2020, 09:55:16 PM
Yeah, I saw that reserve - stupid....there was no previous history to justify that high of a price.

And the general consensus is that $13K something was the right money for the car in that condition.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 30, 2020, 11:17:04 PM
Another really early Mk I is now on Bat.   The auction text initially indicated it was a Mini Cooper but there was so much feedback in the comments that they've actually changed it to just Austin Mini.   Will BaT ever learn?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-austin-mini-cooper-5/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1961_austin_mini_cooper_160576616672fda1f69P1011443-2.jpg?fit=940%2C627)





Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 30, 2020, 11:21:41 PM

The blue 1960 sold for $28K.   Wow.  A nice car, but that's lot of $ for a non-Cooper S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 01, 2020, 09:04:14 AM
Where's the moustache on the white one?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 01, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
It's going incognito
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 01, 2020, 11:02:26 AM
The white and black restored Cooper S is at $38K with 3 hours to go.  The seller has been very engaged and there are almost no nits anyone has found to pick.

I think this one will go north of $50K.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 01, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Close....bidding ended at $45K and sold there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 01, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 01, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Close....bidding ended at $45K and sold there.

After watching the blue majic wand non S bring $50k i thought this well documented restored true S would do better than $45k. Based on recent BaT Mini prices the buyer got a good deal imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 07, 2020, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 30, 2020, 11:17:04 PM
Another really early Mk I is now on Bat.   The auction text initially indicated it was a Mini Cooper but there was so much feedback in the comments that they've actually changed it to just Austin Mini.   Will BaT ever learn?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-austin-mini-cooper-5/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1961_austin_mini_cooper_160576616672fda1f69P1011443-2.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Well it looks like MK I saloons especially LHD ones on BaT are bringing better than good money lately as the white/black 61 sold for $21,750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 07, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
That is good money for that car. 

Is it possible the market is actually changing for Minis?  Like it did for Porsches and VW buses?  Meaning more of a permanent in increase in values.

Or is it the BaT effect?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 07, 2020, 05:42:10 PM
Even if it is the "BaT effect", it is rippling into other listing places as well.  I have seen substantial increases in the asking prices for Minis on several of the classic car websites and ebay as well.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on December 07, 2020, 11:00:55 PM
Followed this auction with interest as the car was bult a month after mine. I wass trying to get a feeling for what mine could be worth and mentally tried  to estimate cost to modify it similarly.
1275 POWERPLANT Normal performance, nothing special $4000?
Disc brake conversion $1200?
New wheels and tires  $1000?
Conversion labor $3000?

Could I ask $11,000 start?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 08, 2020, 12:51:34 PM
I am not sure where you are planning to sell/auction it but BaT do not have a starting bid system they just start from zero.
From what I have seen bidding on auctions like ebay seem to do better with more interest when they have a lower than expected start point maybe 1/3rd of the vehicles real value, that way the bidders who think they may steal a car get a few bids in and then the real bidders take over when the bidding may have already reached or passed where you wanted to start.
If I had an early MK I Mini and it was registered on the West coast especially California I would offer it on BaT with plenty of pictures and driving videos and active commentary.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on December 08, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
I threw out $11000 for a private sale asking price with room to reduce. If on an auction I would sell real low or no reserve.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 08, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Didn't you just finish it?

Selling so quickly?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on December 08, 2020, 10:18:44 PM
Yeah when I can get motivated to get it ready. I'm finding it's getting real difficult physically to work on it and maintain it. I need to down size  and get rid of a lot of things. The car is a fun car and hasn't given me any problems since I got it running right but will require a lot of attention.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 09, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
A Japanese market 998 Mini is now on BaT.  This one now has twin carbs. And it's been converted to 10" wheels.  That's something I might do with my Mini down the road. I think they look better than the 12" wheels.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-austin-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1986_austin_rover_mini_1607450294f93aad47a19e2a6c81Driver-side-view-3-4-front.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 10, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
Bit of a project but not a rust bucket, interesting to see what it does.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2020, 07:50:23 PM
A customized deseamed Mini is now on BaT.   Not to everyone's taste, so this will be an interesting auction to watch. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-4/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1967_austin_mini_1607719455d326e6a0db2a16.jpg?fit=940%2C626)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 13, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
A 1967 Moke now on BaT.  Nice color Blue with several mods/upgrades.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-8/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-8/)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 13, 2020, 09:21:21 AM
Interesting color for a Moke. Looks good - other than the modern LED headlights which look like they belong on a modified 2019 Wrangler.  They really hurt the front end looks of the Moke IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on December 13, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
On the moke it looks like the steering track rod ends are installed up side down. Or have been doing it wrong all this time?

https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/16001739235e361395688d0fb345EFC86-461F-447E-90B6-5614C323FE24-scaled.jpeg?fit=1536%2C2048

I though the hole and the part that goes there are tapered so it should only fit one way.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 13, 2020, 06:08:42 PM
Those do look upside down.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 13, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
That looks extremely wrong.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 13, 2020, 07:33:58 PM
Definitely upside down good catch Brad.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 13, 2020, 07:36:11 PM
Are those top bows an Aussie Moke item?
Not sure if it is the angle they just look different.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 06:46:01 AM
How the hell did they fit the steering track rod ends upside down?  Did they drill out the taper or just torque the hell out of them? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
It's the Mini's Italian/Japanese cousin!   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-innocenti-detomaso-turbo/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1985_innocenti_detomaso_turbo_160762452902b71265IMG_6398.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 14, 2020, 07:53:38 AM
I've been watching that, might be fun to have another Inno!   ;D

There's also an interesting little 1980 Ford Fiesta on there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 07:55:30 AM
I know the first versions with the A Series engines had Mini subrames front and rear but this one looks like it does not. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 14, 2020, 07:56:14 AM
Quote from: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 06:46:01 AM
How the hell did they fit the steering track rod ends upside down?  Did they drill out the taper or just torque the hell out of them?

I think that's exactly what they did. I pointed it out on BaT after reading WilieB's comment here. He said he just had it aligned, too.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 14, 2020, 07:56:49 AM
Quote from: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 07:55:30 AM
I know the first versions with the A Series engines had Mini subrames front and rear but this one looks like it does not.

This looks like a 3 cyl turbo?

Edit Diahatsu motor.....He had it for sale in 2019 for $24K!!!! I wouldn't be paying anywhere near that!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 08:04:08 AM
I was on a trip to Canada in the mid-1980s and saw a dealer that had a bunch of these Innocenti models with the turbo 3-cylinder engine sitting on the lot.   This was several years after they were brand new cars and the inventory was still unsold.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 16, 2020, 06:19:47 AM
Quote from: BruceK on December 09, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
A Japanese market 998 Mini is now on BaT.  This one now has twin carbs. And it's been converted to 10" wheels.  That's something I might do with my Mini down the road. I think they look better than the 12" wheels.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-austin-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1986_austin_rover_mini_1607450294f93aad47a19e2a6c81Driver-side-view-3-4-front.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

This No Reserve auction is only at $6K with 9 hours to go.   Will someone get a bargain?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 16, 2020, 03:51:15 PM
The blue '86 Mini sold at No Reserve for $9,000 with the usual moaning by California residents on the difficulty/impossibility of registering it in that state.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 16, 2020, 06:36:07 PM
And now a restored Innocenti Mini Cooper is available on BaT.   Looks to have most of the Innocenti-specific items intact.   Were't the "Export" models built in the Belgium factory rather than the Italian one?

From the photos, I see it was shipped to the US on the Hoegh Traveller car transport ship.  That's the same ship that carried my Toyota from Japan.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-innocenti-mini-cooper-1300-export/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1974_mini_innocenti_1275_mini_cooper_export_1605111589c145e558bd46c23620201111_100807-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C704)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 16, 2020, 06:42:38 PM
The 86 project no reserve Mini bought all the money it was worth i thought.
The Innocenti offered now looks like a decent car it will be interesting to see how much it brings.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 16, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
Nothing like putting in a new sunroof that leaks!

Speedo's inop too
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 16, 2020, 06:47:45 PM
Sunroofs.  I hate them.  On all cars.  Stupid idea if there ever was one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 16, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
The only car I bought with one on purpose was our Audi, cause the bride likes them.

I have one in the Racing Green Mini and I hate it too.......I concur completely.

In 89 you could buy a Lexus LS400 with cloth interior and no sunroof - from 1990 on - you couldn't get cloth and you had to get a sunroof. We had a lot of older folks who wanted cloth no roof and could not get it when they went to trade in a couple years later, and of course the car was 50% more too....with options it was frequently twice as much.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 16, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
I have the double sunroof in my MINI, and I hate it.  It really lets the sun bake the interior - even with the perforated  50.gif  sunshades pulled closed.  But back in 2002 I wanted a new MINI so badly that I just took whatever I could get. And of course the only ones they were pushing with the full spec ones.

My wife's new Mazda SUV has a sunroof against our wishes because it's standard.  :-[
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 17, 2020, 06:27:09 AM
One of the main reasons I had to order my 07 mini was no sunroof and the LSD. Who wants all that weight on the roof in a performance car.  The interior heat was another thing considering mine was all black.
The wife on the other hand wanted the new panoramic sunroof in her new car. Main reason we got the Acura over the Lexus, that and the excessive grill.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 17, 2020, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 16, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
Nothing like putting in a new sunroof that leaks!

Speedo's inop too

Looking at the front profile of that roof it is not the correct one, it is dead flat and should have a slight curve.
We have two cars we bought used that came with sunroofs and never open them, they end up to be way more trouble than they are worth.
I feel if you want a sunroof buy a convertible.

The one thing that still amazes me is the amount of Mini owners in the UK that put sun roofs (pop up glass cheapie ones) into any classic Mini pick ups and vans included, but I don't mind a full length Webasto in a Mini as it makes the car feel much larger imo.
When I was importing Minis I located two pick ups and one had a £50.00 glass sun roof in it so I had it welded up and re painted with a new headliner.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 17, 2020, 06:27:09 PM
The cheapy glass one is what my car has too - I don't like it. It rattles when it's open (fortunately it doesn't leak) and on a bright sunny day I have to wear a hat to shade my eyes, even tho it has some sort of sunshade on the glass.

It doesn't seem to do anything to add more air on a hot day either.

I've seen a few guys put the sunroof cassette from a new MINI in a classic, and while I think it looks really cool, I had one in my 2003 JCW like Bruce does and the heat gain was unbelievable in summer. No thanks. When I ordered my '09 Clubby, I made sure it did not have a hole in the head!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 18, 2020, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 11, 2020, 07:50:23 PM
A customized deseamed Mini is now on BaT.   Not to everyone's taste, so this will be an interesting auction to watch. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-4/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1967_austin_mini_1607719455d326e6a0db2a16.jpg?fit=940%2C626)


This just sold for $17,500.  Some people raved about how much they loved the customizations, which surprised me a bit.  But to each his own.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 18, 2020, 03:41:08 PM
That seems like a decent price for that car, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 18, 2020, 05:59:40 PM
Yes.  Certainly not overpriced like we have seen on some recent Mini auctions.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 18, 2020, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 14, 2020, 06:51:09 AM
It's the Mini's Italian/Japanese cousin!   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-innocenti-detomaso-turbo/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1985_innocenti_detomaso_turbo_160762452902b71265IMG_6398.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

The Detamaso Innocenti Mini was a RNM at $13,500.
I would think that $13,500 was a good bid but read somewhere it has been for sale for a while at $24k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 18, 2020, 08:41:36 PM
Yeah, I was going to bid on it till I found that it had been for sale for quite a while at $30K, then dropped to $24K......no way Jose that it's worth that much....even in Canadian dollars! I was thinking somewhere around $5-8K US, guess I do not know the market on these....

No idea how I would have gotten it over the border if I did win it....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 19, 2020, 07:15:37 AM
Getting across the border is no problem right now as long as you use a transport company.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 19, 2020, 01:31:09 PM
That car reminds me of the old tale of George Washington's ax that cut down the cherry tree in the legend. The handle broke so it was replaced with new oak one, and then years later on the blade became so dull and rusty that a new one was fitted. But other than the handle and the blade it's the actual ax that old George used!

There's not really any semblance of a Mini left in that car. The body is obviously different, the suspension (which I understand used standard Mini subframes on earlier models) is different on this one, and the drivetrain is no longer A-series Mini either.   

If you want an old Italian car that sort of looks like that you could just get a Fiat Panda and be done with it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on December 21, 2020, 07:33:28 AM
MiniDave,

I recall a few months when we were discussing the blue "Mini & a half" that was for sale, that you expressed an interest in purchasing just the trailer part of that deal, but you could not get the stars to line up.

In case you hadn't noticed, there's an unfinished Mini boot trailer from Tempe AZ. currently listed on the MM Classifieds for $1,050 in case you still have an interest in one of these.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2020, 07:49:16 AM
Thanks Howard, I'll check it out.....  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: pbraun on December 21, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
Moke there now...interesting to watch...........
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
 Holy crap.  The dark blue English Moke sold for $39,500.  Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
The Innocenti is only at $8K with just 2 days left. RNM looming?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 21, 2020, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
The Innocenti is only at $8K with just 2 days left. RNM looming?

Seats, sunroof, wheels, and steering wheel will not be good for a big number. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Yeah, if it's not a Mk1 S or a Moke, it better be original!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
The Innocenti is only at $8K with just 2 days left. RNM looming?

You guys think the name of the seller could have something to do with it? (Stinky's Rod Shop)   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
A Mk II Cooper S is now on BaT.    So nice to see red with a black top instead of a white top on an older Mini.   This car has been with the same owner for 21 years but has only had 1700 miles put on it during that time. What a waste! 

These don't seem to be as popular as Mk I cars, but I think this may go for some big bucks.  On the negative side it's in Canada so that will scare off some buyers.    Hell, some buyers are scared when a car is just one state away from them!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-cooper-s-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1969_austin_cooper_s_1607096450c4a33bIMG_6648.jpg?fit=940%2C626)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 23, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
I thought his excuse was pretty lame too - "it's up on a lift and I have too many other cars to drive"

To me that should keep the price down.....but of course it won't.

The silver wheels look odd to me, and this car just looks plain and cheap - I don't know why it strikes me that way. It doesn't have any of the S sizzle that the other S models that have sold on BaT do.

Did you read where the arches are attached with "sealant"? I figure that's a miscommunication somewhere, but still.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 23, 2020, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 23, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
I thought his excuse was pretty lame too - "it's up on a lift and I have too many other cars to drive"

To me that should keep the price down.....but of course it won't.

The silver wheels look odd to me, and this car just looks plain and cheap - I don't know why it strikes me that way. It doesn't have any of the S sizzle that the other S models that have sold on BaT do.

Did you read where the arches are attached with "sealant"? I figure that's a miscommunication somewhere, but still.....

As long as they attached the arches to the lip with sealant and not screws into the body that is a good thing.
If you lost the arches painted the wheels oew and attached the plastic chrome look sill moulding it would go a long way towards the outside look imo.
Now the inside is a different matter as i think black or maybe blue was the only MK II (maybe MK III) options for interior colour but as the front covers need replacing the buyer has options.
Not as popular as the MK I's but less produced and still has some of the S charm that the later MK III's seem to loose.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
 I believe silver wheels are correct for the model.  Dave, the Mk II Cooper cars were a lot more plain the the Mk I cars.  All black interiors for example instead of the two tone with gold brocade.  Cost cutting moves I believe.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 23, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
The blue/white Innocenti auction just ended at $16,270 with RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 23, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
The blue/white Innocenti auction just ended at $16,270 with RNM.

It sure didn't get much love. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 23, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 23, 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 23, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
The blue/white Innocenti auction just ended at $16,270 with RNM.

It sure didn't get much love.

There was a red one that was RNM at $15k recently and briefly looking at it it seemed to have more of the specific Innocent parts still present.
It used to be that the Innocenti's were bid stronger than the regular Minis but that does not seem to be the case recently.
In saying that I don't think the blue/white one was one of the best examples out there.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: G67mcs on December 24, 2020, 08:46:36 AM
Silver steel wheels on the MK2 S is correct. OEW on MK1 S. As someone else mentioned if arches with sealant much better than having holes in the quarter panels. They really should remove the arches and install a proper chrome sill seam strip especially since the car retains a mostly stock appearance. That car was advertised recently on the MM sale page, forgot the asking price though. Will be interesting to see how it does not being a MK1.

Garry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on December 24, 2020, 10:14:43 AM
Quote from: G67mcs on December 24, 2020, 08:46:36 AM
That car was advertised recently on the MM sale page, forgot the asking price though.

Garry

20k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 24, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Hmmm.  $20K for real Cooper S? Doesn't sound too bad. I haven't really looked at the car on auction so I don't know what it shortcomings are.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 24, 2020, 02:29:07 PM
The blue inno at 16k was about what I expected. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 25, 2020, 05:27:52 AM
Ooo.   The Mk II Cooper S auction has taken a turn.  And not a good one.

I'm going to characterize it as grumpy old seller vs. modern buyers' reasonable demands.   

The seller says the Mini's engine was rebuilt 35 years ago.  You know, back when Ronald Reagan was president, the USSR was still very much intact, and MTV actually played music videos.  In light of the three and a half decade age of the "fresh engine build" with only 1700 miles some buyers would kinda like to see a cold-start video.  Which of course is a staple of BaT.  And a reasonable request for a long distance potential purchase.   (A driving video has already been ruled out by the seller.  Because winter.  :-[  ).

The Seller, who can't be bothered, says "... if the bidding gets serious I will get it down [off the lift] and give it a cold start".    Woo-Hoo!  How fricken generous of him.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 25, 2020, 08:56:55 AM
This guy thinks he has gold, I guess?

"Don't try to low ball me, I know what I have! Ran when parked! It's fine, take my word for it! "

Yeah....this one's going RNM, but not just because he's obstinate, but also because he'll want the moon for the car. After all, he's kept it in a garage on a lift - so that makes it worth so much more.....

I think you have to capture the buyer's imagination on any Auction site if you want max return, and you get that by selling the fun - the sounds, smells, and the car in action....and done right, not someone in the right seat with a cell phone that points at the floor and the headliner every time he shifts gears.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 25, 2020, 11:01:18 AM
That's where all bidding should stop.  If the bastard is too lazy to fire up the car it may as well continue to sit on a lift collecting dust. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 25, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
I agree, I'd guess he is not all that interested in actually selling it. Probably just tossing it out there to see if he can easily get some of the crazy money people have been throwing at them on BAT lately. If he actually wanted to sell it he would be willing to put out a little more effort, I mean how long could it possibly take to lower the lift, set up a camera and start the damn car up. Especially since it's a heated garage, it should fire right up no problem. I could go out to the 15 degree shop right now and have mine started within a few minutes, if it was sitting in a heated garage it would fire up on the first or second crank.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 25, 2020, 12:34:13 PM
Exactly!  I started to comment on BAT but decided it would just start a pissing match so deleted it before hitting submit.  Guy sounds like a real tool. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 25, 2020, 01:09:55 PM
Ahh.  I threw a comment out there early this morning under my BaT username stating the Mexican Standoff of no cold start video unless higher bids, against no higher bids unless cold start video.

It all comes back to having that car 21 years and only driving 1700 miles. That's a crazy average of just 80 miles per year!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 25, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
" if the bidding gets serious I will get it down and give it a cold start."

"I have no interest in selling the car to and every day driver it is far to rare, and I have found very very few people that know what a rear Cooper S is."

These two statements by the seller reinforce my opinion that he wants the moon for this car and he thinks it's worth it.
It will go RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 25, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
It's peculiar it needed a transmission rebuild recently having only done 1700 miles.  It's not good for a car to be driven so little either.  Does he drain the tanks?  It also sounds like it has a race cam in it since it revs to 8k. Meaning it probably drives like shit as a regular driver.  Somewhere in there he says he doesn't want to sell it to someone who plans to drive it.  Like give me a break dude.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 25, 2020, 01:28:20 PM
Yes, I quoted that just above your post.....

I don't understand why he thinks a modified maybe Cooper S is worth so much? It has a modified engine, terrible interior and like Dan and Bruce both point out it hasn't been driven near enough to keep it in good shape.

I think it's a $20K car - Canadian money!

And I'll bet he's thinking twice that or more - US.

I'll be VERY surprised if it sells.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 25, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Yeah we posted at the same time.  It's a nice car but it's not worthy of a museum. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 25, 2020, 07:32:36 PM
Well the owner has sure put it on a pedestal, er hoist, and left it there like it's a piece of art.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 25, 2020, 07:34:08 PM
His comments about the engine are interesting too....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 26, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
The seller of the red Mk II Cooper S appears to be getting crankier and less accommodating as people ask more detailed questions and challenge him on some of the "facts" he states.   Any hope of a cold start video has vanished as now the seller's excuse is a recent surgery and too much snow to deal with.

Looks like he was prepared to deal with (ie dismiss) questions and requests a seller might get on MiniMania or craigslist, but it looks like he's been caught off guard by the interactive comments and questions typical on a BaT auction.

Quote...it is a full race cam do not know the number, it is a slow starter and takes a couple of minutes to warm up then runs smoothly burns and leaks no oil what so ever. If you would like to see a cold start, you are welcome to come over and move 2 to 3 thousand pounds of snow I can't after my surgery.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 26, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
Just keeps getting better with the guy. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 26, 2020, 08:16:14 PM
It sure does!  Now the seller is calling out a commenter about asking a thermostat question, saying the questioner doesn't know anything. 

I wonder if antagonizing bidders is a winning strategy?   50.gif   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 26, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if bids stop at the current 15k mark just due to his attitude. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 26, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
Yeah, this car's not selling.....even if it were no reserve. What a jamoke.....   ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 26, 2020, 09:06:43 PM
He had a lengthy tirade he posted a bit ago but seems to be gone now. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 26, 2020, 09:12:19 PM
Oh maybe it is still there, shows on my phone but not my computer for some reason.  Flashplayer and chrome not doing it's thing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 26, 2020, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: 94touring on December 26, 2020, 09:12:19 PM
Oh maybe it is still there, shows on my phone but not my computer for some reason.  Flashplayer and chrome not doing it's thing.

Excuses. Excuses.




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 26, 2020, 11:06:27 PM
I like his reference to repairing and re covering the front seats "if I do that it will be $30k to 40k more", good luck with that.
Definitely going nowhere with his attitude and comments.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 27, 2020, 05:47:56 AM
I looked the guy up.  Ironically enough he owns a business that gives auto appraisals.  The injury he speaks of was him being hit by a car riding his bike.  However the article about the 66 yo from Calgary goes on to say he's recovered and back to cycling.  There's even a youtube vid of his interview. He rides 5-6k kilometers a year.  Perhaps the mirror that hit him in the head left some brain damage causing his irritability.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 27, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
Well, that's good to know.....maybe that is it. He refers to his surgery, does the article mention that, or what they did? Sounds like he was hit in the head by a truck (?) mirror while he was riding?

I still wonder - like you said - how he plans to ship it if there's 2-3,000 lbs of snow in the way?

I don't think he wants to sell it - either that or he has a horribly inflated view of what it's worth. I don't know how he comes up with the idea that with new seat covers its worth $30-40K more. Maybe he should hire an appraiser?   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 27, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
I wonder what would happen if several of his snide remarks were to get flagged as "not constructive" by a bunch of folks.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 27, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
I went back and read further and he apparently had heart surgery recently. The bike incident was summer of 2018.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 27, 2020, 10:50:32 AM
aha....that would def keep one from shoveling snow.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 27, 2020, 12:17:17 PM
The latest comments by the seller indicate that he's seen Cooper S models sell for more than €100,000 in Europe.  And apparently he thinks he's going to get a big slice of that pie.   And he also seems to think that because he has the correct body for the car that makes up for all the other stuff like the questionable seats (his admission, not my judgment), some engine rebuild of mostly boastful specifications, and what could very well be a completely non-running car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
Yeah, other than the entertainment value, there's no point in following this one any further....I think he'll get some more bids before it's over, but I really doubt this one will sell.  And even being sympathetic to his injuries and so on, his attitude has really soured me on the show....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 27, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Comparing this car to an asking price of an ex works Cooper S is not even a consideration imo, as a vehicle appraiser he should know this.
I saw a pic of the front flare stuck on with black goo it looks nasty, he may as well have screwed them on.
He has had one good chance to sell it on BaT and has maybe blown it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 27, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Yeah that flare looked ugly, I saw it too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 27, 2020, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: 94touring on December 27, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Yeah that flare looked ugly, I saw it too.

And you know when you remove it the part where the glue has adhered to the paint will be miss matched and stained.
Those cheap ass 80's Mini Special flares need to go imo.
The S needs stock wheel arches but if you needed to cover up the mess without trying to match old red paint the best option would probably be Wood & Pickett flares.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 27, 2020, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
Yeah, other than the entertainment value, there's no point in following this one any further....I think he'll get some more bids before it's over, but I really doubt this one will sell.

The entertainment value is indeed high on this one.  Two jumping bids have appeared, one for $18K and the next one for nearly $22K.   It's almost like they haven't read the comments - and I posted saying as much.  In fact, I doubt they did.

Taking stock:  the car has apparently been for sale for quite a while, nobody knows how old the photos of the car are and if there has been any deterioration.  Nobody knows when the engine last ran.  Nobody knows if the car is even drivable. With just 1700 miles driven in 21 years (or 35 years?) nobody knows if it has been maintained properly. How old is the coolant?  How long has the oil been in the engine (I wouldn't be surprised if it's been a dozen years).   How long since brake/clutch fluid has been changed?  How old are the tires?  How old is the gas in the tank? 

Nobody is going to get a straight answer from Mr Crabby.   Or any answers at all I suspect.

And yet bidders are bidding.  And doing it in $3,000 to $4,000 jumps.   Seriously, WTF? 



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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on December 28, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
Car speculators.  They think the prices of these will continue to climb.  They don't care about all that stuff cause to them it's not a car.  They will pull it off the lift onto a trailer and push it into storage.  They are hoping to get it "cheap" cause every one else sees the flaws. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: jedduh01 on December 28, 2020, 08:08:24 AM
Wow , What a S**t Show!
  Good on ya'll for calling him out. Grumpy old men can take their sales elsewhere. I like the comments are from fellow mini owners that i also know in this community.

 
This will be a good showing of BAT + will the comments grind a sale down.. to less than expected... It has to!

Until MINIGUY puts in a bid... (that was a joke, wherever Michael Lewis has gone to)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 28, 2020, 08:23:18 AM
I figure the others are just shill bids to try and get it up close to the reserve - I figure he expects at least mid 30's to 40's for it given how "rare" it is what with a Ken Miles motor and all......by the way, since Ken Miles died in '66, how did  he build this engine in '95, or was it '85?

This whole thing smells like a sham deal to me....like maybe he doesn't even have the car? Or may be he had it 35 years ago when "Ken Miles" built the motor?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 28, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on December 28, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
Car speculators.  They think the prices of these will continue to climb.  They don't care about all that stuff cause to them it's not a car.  They will pull it off the lift onto a trailer and push it into storage.  They are hoping to get it "cheap" cause every one else sees the flaws.

I think you hit the nail on the head. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 28, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
I posed some question on the Mk. II Cooper S auction.  Questions that any potential buyer should want answers for.   It will be interesting to see the responses.  Or non-responses.

Quote
The car has apparently been for sale for quite a while outside of this BaT auction, so how long ago were the photos taken?

When did the engine last start and run? Did it get up to full operating temp?

When was the car last driven? And how long was the drive?

Accumulating just 1,700 miles driven over 21 years means the car has been obviously been stored for long periods of time. A car sitting unused for a long time can be very harmful to the various systems in the car. And regular maintenance even during storage is important.

How old is the coolant?

How long has the oil been in the engine?

How long since the brake and clutch fluid have been flushed?

How old are the tires?

Is gasoline emptied from the fuel tank before storing it?

Has the chassis been greased regularly?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 28, 2020, 02:24:38 PM
I wonder if he'll bother to answer....he already said that since he survived his surgery he wouldn't be unhappy if it didn't sell (complete BS in my opinion) maybe he'll use that as excuse and blame "the market" or even BaT for the lousy showing? Cause after all he's seen them offered for over 100,000 Euros - more BS, the most expensive one I've seen was about £60,000.....

someone wrote "A study in the New England Journal of Medicine in February found that as many as 42 percent of patients who undergo a bypass may be expected to perform significantly poorer on tests of mental ability five years later. Other effects are personality changes, memory problems and irritability."......so now I have my excuses in line for when I act like a complete cock too!   77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 28, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 28, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
I posed some question on the Mk. II Cooper S auction.  Questions that any potential buyer should want answers for.   It will be interesting to see the responses.  Or non-responses.

Quote
The car has apparently been for sale for quite a while outside of this BaT auction, so how long ago were the photos taken?

When did the engine last start and run? Did it get up to full operating temp?

When was the car last driven? And how long was the drive?

Accumulating just 1,700 miles driven over 21 years means the car has been obviously been stored for long periods of time. A car sitting unused for a long time can be very harmful to the various systems in the car. And regular maintenance even during storage is important.

How old is the coolant?

How long has the oil been in the engine?

How long since the brake and clutch fluid have been flushed?

How old are the tires?

Is gasoline emptied from the fuel tank before storing it?

Has the chassis been greased regularly?

Going out on a limb here LOL but my guess is you will get no response from him.

Don't get me wrong the car is worth money and as there are no answers to reasonable questions and it needs work that is already visible it would need to be bought on the low side of what it is worth with a worst case scenario of what it may cost to go through it and imo it has already reached that amount if in fact those bids are real buyers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 28, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
Exactly.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 28, 2020, 03:43:20 PM
Yeah I don't think those questions will get answers either, but the primary reason I asked them was to open up people's eyes to the situation.  A car that's been stored for long periods can be full of problems. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 28, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
More negative comments from the seller saying Mini owners don't love the car they just want to bitch about a car they cannot afford.
This has to end in a RNM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on December 28, 2020, 07:43:44 PM
If he has been into Minis for that long, one of the Canadians must know who it is.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 28, 2020, 07:52:06 PM
I'll check with Rick Higgs, he lives up there and knows pretty much the entire Mini community in Canada.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 29, 2020, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on December 28, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
More negative comments from the seller saying Mini owners don't love the car they just want to bitch about a car they cannot afford.
This has to end in a RNM.

I laughed out loud for real to that one.  The ego on this guy. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: pbraun on December 29, 2020, 07:19:04 AM
crap
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 30, 2020, 12:22:13 PM
Shill bidders have shown up.....RNM, to the complete surprise of no one
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 30, 2020, 12:36:58 PM
Shill bidders would have had their work cut out for them on this one as I am sure the reserve was ridiculously high. Combine that with his complete lack of interest in being a "salesman" and it was pretty much doomed from the start.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 12:37:26 PM
I think the fake bidders started at 15k. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 30, 2020, 12:38:27 PM
Yup RNM at $23,750.   And the seller is still too thick to understand that he was the entire problem as to why the car did not do better.  He will gain no personal insight out of this experience - he blamed commenters for bringing him "down to their level". 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 30, 2020, 12:43:41 PM
is it normal for comments to disappear? There were several comments above the last bid which were there but when I refreshed they are now gone. One saying it had been for sale locally for 50k plus some banter back and forth about the more rare cooper S cars with the 1071 etc..

EDIT: and now all the comments are back again......strange.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 30, 2020, 01:00:01 PM
Those comments still show up for me - he says he turned down $40K Canadian for it already, or about $31K US.....He also claims it's an "original" shell, even tho it's had the sills replaced and who knows what else, and of course it has the wrong seats and on and on.

I wish him luck.

End line.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
You probably have to log back in.  Did the same thing to me the other day.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 30, 2020, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
You probably have to log back in.  Did the same thing to me the other day.

Yeah. That's what happened.  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 30, 2020, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
You probably have to log back in.  Did the same thing to me the other day.

Yeah. That's what happened.  ;D

Maybe it was my tiny phone screen  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 30, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
I was viewing it one of my 3 27" computer monitors so I know screen size wasn't my issue. Very well could have been user error but I would see comments come in, refresh the page and they would disappear. It did it 4 times, then all of a sudden they were all there again. Probably a cache or cookies problem or something who knows, I just thought it was odd is all.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 30, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: cstudep on December 30, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
I was viewing it one of my 3 27" computer monitors so I know screen size wasn't my issue. Very well could have been user error but I would see comments come in, refresh the page and they would disappear. It did it 4 times, then all of a sudden they were all there again. Probably a cache or cookies problem or something who knows, I just thought it was odd is all.

Oh I believe you. Similar things have happened to me and Dan just this week, so he and I are just gently ribbing each back-and-forth about things on the screen not visible at certain times.  You were kinda caught up in it - wasn't directed to you at all.   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 30, 2020, 06:53:48 PM
Inside joke!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 30, 2020, 09:05:37 PM
It's all good, I vaguely remember now you 2 going back and forth about something like that  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 01, 2021, 09:32:38 PM
A Canadian-market 1979 Mini is now on BaT.  It's been kinda sorta turned into a pseudo-rally car and it was owned by a movie director.  It's in California but apparently has not passed smog since 1995.   The California title will make it attractive to some people but looks like it's not been registered for 25 years or more.  So that kind of takes the shine off it.

Outside of California it may find some interest.  My wild ass guess is this car will be bid into the mid-teens.  May be a little higher, but I don't think the connection to the entertainment industry is going matter.  The Canadian shell makes it a bit unattractive but the 1380 engine sort of counters that. 

As we saw recently with the auction of the Mk II Cooper S, so much of the bidding is going to depend on the comments and what people discover about the car.  At least there's already a cold start video and driving video.  The driving video is pretty funny win the driver calls out in excitement that he's accelerated to 60.   Except the speedo is in kph. So all of 37mph!   :D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mini-3/ 

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1979_austin_mini_1609175564d47a19e2a6c81fIMG_0789.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 01, 2021, 09:46:16 PM
Those front tires look like they will rub something fierce when turning.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 01, 2021, 10:54:14 PM
The seller of this red Mini is engaged and responsive.   But he's pushing the celebrity-owned angle a bit much.  Scans of the director's obituary have been posted.  Steve McQueen's name has been dropped.  All in the first few hours.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on January 02, 2021, 09:16:42 AM
Interesting that he starts it right up without any choke.  The pictures of the dash show both the heater cable and choke cable to be "missing".

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 02, 2021, 09:24:01 AM
Well, it is a "rallye" car.....and it's California - you don't need either a choke or heater - he was wearing shorts in Dec.

He did admit that it was 60kph tho.....busted!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 02, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Geez, bids are already up to $10,000 with 6 days left and people are waxing poetic about the two sports documentaries (one motorcycling, one surfing) that the director made 50 years ago.  It's not like he had any association with Minis.

I think at some point the "good old days of California" nostalgia will wear thin and bidders will recognize this is just a bitsa Mini that hasn't been on the road in 25 years.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 02, 2021, 03:20:53 PM
Now that I look closer I guess the front tires shouldn't rub since they are 008s.  The black on black made it look like a lot of rubber.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 04, 2021, 07:27:32 PM
There is plenty of people making comments (myself included), but no new bids have appeared in the past 2 or 3 days for the "celebrity owned" Mini. 

Seems plenty people think the director was a pretty cool guy, but does that really translate into any associated value for a car he used to own?   I don't think so.  But I guess we will see. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
I had never heard of the guy. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 04, 2021, 07:43:50 PM
Yeah, $1000 for a set of A008's......Ha!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 04, 2021, 08:16:37 PM
Dave, I liked your comment on BAT. 

That Mayjer guy is plain weird.  Insists on always writing Mini in all caps MINI when talking about the classic Mini.   He says he does that because that's the way the chrome emblem looks on his car.   ::)   He also insists on using CA to refer to Canada because that's what is at the end of a URL for a Canadian website. (eg https://company.timhortons.ca ) Never mind it's confusing as hell in his posts because of course people think he's referring to California.  He's been called out on both those things and insists on staying weird.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 08:30:56 PM
For $1000 I'd better be getting new rims with the tires, plus a spare. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 04, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
I had never heard of the guy.

You're too young!   :D

I think you can find Endless Summer on Youtube these days.....it's worth a watch. he's the narrator....it's an interesting film for a lot of reasons, it's a documentary made on a shoestring, yet it was a time when people could do stuff like this - just head out with very little money and go surfing all over the world. Pretty interesting the places they went....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
Oh if it's about surfing then that explains why I don't know the guy.  Lived at the beach for 13 years but couldn't care less about surfing.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 04, 2021, 08:40:03 PM
He also did a movie called "On any sunday" It was about motocross.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 04, 2021, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 08:30:56 PM
For $1000 I'd better be getting new rims with the tires, plus a spare.

Yeah, it's just crazy with the prices MiniMania/Seven get away with.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 04, 2021, 08:48:17 PM
I paid premo bucks for my force racing rims and race tires and didn't spend much over 1k for the package.  Speaking of the race tires, they still have a lot of meat on the fronts.  Rears barely look worn at all.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on January 05, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
BruceK, My money is on the fact that Mayjer (from Canada) is the same guy as Spitz (from Canada) over on the MM Forum. Spitz has been referring to the Mini as a MINI for over a decade, proudly citing the fact that it says MINI on the boot badge of his classic. He just won't let it go.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Scargo on January 05, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
BruceK, My money is on the fact that Mayjer (from Canada) is the same guy as Spitz (from Canada) over on the MM Forum. Spitz has been referring to the Mini as a MINI for over a decade, proudly citing the fact that it says MINI on the boot badge of his classic. He just won't let it go.

Yeah crazy.

By that logic "Ford" should always be written in cursive writing. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 09:35:35 AM
Does it really cost $750 American dollars to have 4 tires shipped to Canada when I pay half that to Oklahoma?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on January 05, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
The last time I purchased 10" A008's it was from MiniSport UK. They cost considerably less than $400 w/shipping and arrived in VA. within three days.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: skmini on January 05, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
4x 10" A008 from Minispares comes to $450CAD to my doorstep in the middle of nowhere Canada.  The duties, brokerage fees and taxes can add up coming into Canada, though.  There really is no minimum dollar amount where they don't charge.  Still, the last $400CAD Minisport order I got had $30CAD of duties, brokerage and taxes on it, so unless the tires have a particularly high tariff on them for some reason, I would expect it to be around $30 on the tires too.  I think this has all become less expensive in the last few years, though.

In 2009, I ordered A008 tires from Tirerack, and that came to $530CAD including duties ($25), brokerage ($20), taxes ($45) and shipping ($70).  I assume it was going to be more expensive coming from the UK, or I wouldn't have got them from the US.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 11:06:28 AM
Excellent info, thanks!  450 Canadian is 355 USD.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
So the Canadian price and the US price are virtually the same.   Mayjer was talking out his butthole when he said $750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 11:40:17 AM
Or he bought from minimania  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 12:31:40 PM
Seller just cleared up the prices on tires.  I guess it's Spitz's turn.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
Don't hold your breath.  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 05, 2021, 01:52:24 PM
Doesn't take much to derail an auction, does it?   8.gif

The main thing I'm learning is to always be responsive and not combative.....

I don't know what the market should be on this car but I think the price it's at now is not far off, maybe $13,500 ish - tops?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 03:40:37 PM
Yeah, I'm partially responsible for that derailment.  But you're right, the seller has rolled with the punches and kept things positive. Dealers do that so much better than individual sellers. All those years of experience and they don't have any emotional attachments to the cars. 

I think it might go for $15,000.   It has that 1380 engine going for it, but since it hasn't been registered in 25 years no one really knows how much use it has had.  It runs and drives - as evidenced by the video - so it's way ahead of that last Mini that was auctioned.   Although it is being called a "rally car" having a rollcage, sump guard, and two driving lights really doesn't make it so.

I expect a lot more "won't pass smog" comments in the coming days as the California faction sours on owning it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 05, 2021, 04:01:18 PM
I think it's a rallye car because the movie guy drove it in rallyes 25 years ago?   ::)

It's already been pointed out that it will NEVER pass Ca emissions, so that shouldn't really be a consideration....it's going to have to go out of state if/when it sells.

I wonder how much the seller is banking on the Bruce Brown connection to drive the value....cause I don't think it's helping all that much - lots of guys know who he was, but don't think that means they should pay up for his old car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
So the Canadian price and the US price are virtually the same.   Mayjer was talking out his butthole when he said $750.

  Now Mayjer says he doesn't "pull prices from my arse".  Lol.   As I said before, I think that's exactly where they come from!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
He's quoting mania prices in Canadian dollars is what I've concluded.  Why he feels the need to do so remains a mystery.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 05:19:35 PM
What a provincial attitude!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 05, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
Mania's price for  4 - A008 tires right now is $429.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 05, 2021, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 05, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
Mania's price for  4 - A008 tires right now is $429.

In Canadian that's about 545 plus some shipping.  He gave a number for 032's which came out to around 700 Canadiamania dollars. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 05, 2021, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: Scargo on January 05, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
BruceK, My money is on the fact that Mayjer (from Canada) is the same guy as Spitz (from Canada) over on the MM Forum. Spitz has been referring to the Mini as a MINI for over a decade, proudly citing the fact that it says MINI on the boot badge of his classic. He just won't let it go.

You are 100% correct Howard Mayjer and Spitz are the same person.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 06, 2021, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 05, 2021, 03:40:37 PM

I expect a lot more "won't pass smog" comments in the coming days as the California faction sours on owning it.


And right on schedule the California smog discussions have erupted.  The seller points out that technically with enough work "it is possible" for the Mini to pass smog.

Just it was technically possible for Top Gear to turn a Reliant Robin into a rocket-powered space shuttle.

Probably with the same crash and burn result.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 06, 2021, 09:14:32 PM
A late model JDM Mini Cooper with a refurbished, working air conditioning system is now on BaT.  It's had rust repaired and sports a fresh paint job.  Pretty good driving video too.  And it is low mileage.

I think this will definitely steal some interest away from the red bitsa Mini.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini-cooper/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1994_rover_mini_cooper_160990181978db7e804b64dbb6IMG_4055.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 06, 2021, 09:28:16 PM
Much nicer looking car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 06, 2021, 09:36:24 PM
Much nicer car than the Bruce Brown "rallye" car.....I sent Lumbago a note about it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 07, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Good looking and looks to be a well sorted Mini it should do well.
I would have binned the wing mirrors when it was repainted.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 07, 2021, 09:34:26 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 07, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Good looking and looks to be a well sorted Mini it should do well.
I would have binned the wing mirrors when it was repainted.

Agreed on the mirrors.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on January 07, 2021, 09:41:31 AM
Quote from: 94touring on January 07, 2021, 09:34:26 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 07, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Good looking and looks to be a well sorted Mini it should do well.
I would have binned the wing mirrors when it was repainted.

Agreed on the mirrors.

Agreed as well, was that an actual mounting place from the factory or was that just something people did? I am not real fond of the look and they are completely useless as actual mirrors.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 07, 2021, 11:11:20 AM
It's a requirement for Japanese spec cars, they all have them mounted on the fenders - I find them worthless, but then I'm not used to them on my daily driver.

All the discussion and bids seem to have stopped on the Red Mini....nothing but crickets over there right now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 07, 2021, 01:39:24 PM
Yeah there's only been three bids total, and the last one was 5 1/2 days ago early on Saturday morning.

Crickets? Maybe we should start talking about tires or something.   ;D




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 07, 2021, 01:41:56 PM
I guess the bidders got tire-d of it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 07, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
I guess there's only so much you can say about the Bruce Brown connection....and it's all been said!  ;D

If I were selling this car, the first thing I would be before advertising it for sale is remove the MiniMania stickers.....

And why the heck when they were doing all the body and paint work did they kept those ugly side markers? (Did Bruce or someone already ask this?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 07, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 07, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
I guess there's only so much you can say about the Bruce Brown connection....and it's all been said!  ;D

If I were selling this car, the first thing I would be before advertising it for sale is remove the MiniMania stickers.....

And why the heck when they were doing all the body and paint work did they kept those ugly side markers? (Did Bruce or someone already ask this?)

No, I didn't ask. But the sidemarker lights are a topic of discussion now tires have been retired. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 07, 2021, 04:25:44 PM
And we have a new batter!.....erm, bidder!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on January 07, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Those side markers are terrible looking. Not helped by the fact that the placement of the rear ones is absolutely terrible. They are just slightly forward of the centerline of the tire. If they weren't going to center them over the rear tires I think they should have pushed them more toward the back, just slightly in front of the rear seam would have looked a lot better. Still not good, but better I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 07, 2021, 05:21:38 PM
Yeah, I think the rear ones were placed there for ease in building the Mini at the factory.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 07, 2021, 08:53:15 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 07, 2021, 11:11:20 AM
It's a requirement for Japanese spec cars, they all have them mounted on the fenders - I find them worthless, but then I'm not used to them on my daily driver.

Not sure on the mirrors being a requirement as I have imported several Minis from Japan and several had door mirrors and did not have wing mirrors fitted.
All the J spec Minis I have seen with original paint have the factory holes for wing mirrors with the screws in them or a small aftermarket emblem so they are definitely add ons.
Maybe they are Only required in certain areas of the Country.

The owner of the red bitsa Mini has now added a you tube video link of the two movies that Bruce Brown made.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 07, 2021, 09:32:06 PM
I just googled it and found that fender mirrors were required under Japanese law until the early 1980s, when regular door mirrors become legal. 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/11/18/reference/fender-mirrors/

I think the reason a lot of JDM minis have fender mirrors, or wing mirrors, is because the classic Mini is very much a retro car - especially in the Japanese market - and fender mirrors suit a classic car better according to Japanese automotive tastes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 08, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
That sounds right.

What does not sound right is the red bitsa ex movie producer Mini just sold for $14,333.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 08, 2021, 02:46:05 PM
Too much?   I thought it would sell for about $15,000 so that seems good to me. 

I would have been shocked if somehow bidders paid more due to the celebrity association. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 08, 2021, 03:05:39 PM
I guessed $13500 I think....I think $14,333 is a decent price for that car.....depending on what the new owner wants to do with it....good motor, good body, good paint, comfy seats....seems OK to me but at the limit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 09, 2021, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 08, 2021, 03:05:39 PM
I guessed $13500 I think....I think $14,333 is a decent price for that car.....depending on what the new owner wants to do with it....good motor, good body, good paint, comfy seats....seems OK to me but at the limit.

Considering the owner dropped his reserve he thought it was worth more too.
Everyone's perception of a perfect Mini for themselves is different i am just not a fan of Minis that are modified to an owners personal taste and pieced together or appear that way.
I could see the new owner dropping $5k + or - into this to bring it up to scratch based on the way i would want it to look but of course the new owner may be fine with it the way it in its current condition.
Imo the only thing that the car had going for it was the drivetrain and who knows how old or how many hard miles it has had done with the racing background of the po.
I know you could buy a nice unmolested 1275cc Mini in that price range, this one did not check the boxes for me.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 09, 2021, 01:47:08 PM
Yep..... 4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 09, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Yeah.  The black JDM Mini currently on BaT is a lot more attractive for that sort of money.

The solid bodyshell with rust repaired, shiny new paint, and working a/c are good features.  So is the fact it is still mostly as it left Longbridge.  Nice interior, nice exterior.  Being mostly stock may make it too ordinary for some bidders who desire more of a boy-racer or sporting Mini, but others will like it.  I think it might go for about $15K to $18K. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 09, 2021, 07:30:12 PM
I think you are on the money at $15 to $18k.
He is also a very active seller with good videos which helps a lot on these auctions.
I am not sure if it is black or a very dark blue which is a color the Japanese seem to like.

EDIT: I guess it is black as the description has it listed that way.
Unusual to find a factory black Mini as there were not that many made.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 09, 2021, 08:48:23 PM
Probably more black Minis than you think, especially from the late 80s onward. My car was a special edition Mini 1000 called a Jet Black.  There was also another black special edition called Checkers.  And I believe that all of the Mini Coopers of the 1990s were available in black too, starting with the RSP Coopers and on to the regular production Coopers.  Even special editions like the Monte Carlo Mini Cooper could be had in black.   As to how many were actually built in black I don't know.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 13, 2021, 03:28:57 PM
The black J spec Mini just sold for $16,500 right in the middle of your $15 to $18k guesstimate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2021, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 09, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Yeah.  The black JDM Mini currently on BaT is a lot more attractive for that sort of money.

The solid bodyshell with rust repaired, shiny new paint, and working a/c are good features.  So is the fact it is still mostly as it left Longbridge.  Nice interior, nice exterior.  Being mostly stock may make it too ordinary for some bidders who desire more of a boy-racer or sporting Mini, but others will like it.  I think it might go for about $15K to $18K.

The black JDM Mini Cooper just sold for $16,500.  I think that's very fair price for a car that nice. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 13, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
A better buy than that red Hollywood car was, IMHO.....

And another black car, this time a Mk1....this one has no chassis plate and is titled according to it's "body number"?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 13, 2021, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 13, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
A better buy than that red Hollywood car was, IMHO.....

And another black car, this time a Mk1....this one has no chassis plate and is titled according to it's "body number"?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/)

That VIN issue may put some people off. But I don't think it's going to hurt the auction. This is a customized Mini that is going to appeal a lot to some people, but other people may not be fond of the color or the various customized details.  Personally, I am no fan of 13" wheels and big fender flares on a Mk I or Mark II car.

It does have a 1275 and it is a Mk I so those two things are going to win it over in the end.  Plus it can be registered in California. Unless there is a cranky seller or something negative comes up about the car, I could see this one going in the high teens possibly. 

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1964_austin_mini_cooper_16061714654221e9d363e2fe1964_austin_mini_cooper_1604601901ff9f98764daf2dbdfa2-e988-4d6b-9089-6aacc48e91d3-OhTjyp.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 13, 2021, 07:37:30 PM
The lack of a correct vin number could bother some bidders but at least it has a number that corresponds with the actual body number not some made up one.
A comparison would be to look at all the Mini owners with re vins which do not match the car they are on at all.
As stated this is not your normal Mini but one that is built to the owners taste and I have seen cars like this built on a salvage title bringing a lot more money than this Mini will.
If the car as it sits appeals to the buyer I am guessing it will not make a difference in the selling price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2021, 05:10:09 PM
The Seller of the black Mk I is now responding to questions, which is good.  But he's a man of few words and he is not addressing all the questions posed.  Which of course is not good.

A few hold-the-camera-on-the-ground-and-point-it-up shots of the sills are all he has provided when under car shots were requested.  Not gonna cut it.  Several requests for videos have been made but the Seller has not even acknowledged then. 

Things are not looking good. 

Edit: I just posted some unsolicited advice to the seller suggesting he behave more like the recent seller of the JDM Mini, not the seller of the Canadian Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 14, 2021, 05:58:45 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D 77.gif

"Thanks for your advice"

His reply....

I can not understand why sellers get upset at requests for information.....I asked for a good pic of the engine number....it's been ignored. Several requests for startup, running and driving videos. ignored. I think he might be worried about the gear noise queering the sale......but I think I would rather get that out right at the front, then deal with the comments.

And these three and four word replies aren't getting it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2021, 06:12:03 PM
He just yelled in ALL CAPS at a question about the VIN, telling the questioner to READ the auction text.

I guess I pissed him off, but that was not my intention.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 14, 2021, 07:54:46 PM
And now the Seller is getting a little testy about the VIN.

Unless the Seller changes his attitude this auction will go south and be RNM I think.

Funny thing is, the seller has sold other cars on BaT.    But perhaps Mini commenters and bidders are a tougher crowd?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 15, 2021, 07:19:47 AM
The vin would be a no go item for me.  Not that I'd be worried about registering the car, but it severely loses value.  I loath the red accents too but those can be removed at least.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2021, 11:55:59 AM
When the seller chooses to respond to a question, he gives the shortest, most terse, and unsatisfactory answers possible.

It's like he's in a legal deposition.   

I'm smelling a RNM situation brought about entirely by his stubbornness.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 15, 2021, 12:15:32 PM
Yes, you'd think this guy had never sold a car before and we should just accept his word for anything.....I really don't understand the reluctance to post at least a start up video.....you suppose maybe there's too much snow and the car is up on a lift?   ;D

There's a red Mk1 for sale now, he did a startup and drive by at 15 mph, better than nothing I guess, but come on folks, where's the fun, excitement, transmission whine - all the visceral things that really sell a Mini?

Now THIS is how you do a car sale video!   ;D

Alfa on BaT

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2021, 12:43:34 PM
Yes!  That is how it's done.   Of course not everyone can afford what looks like a professional videography including super good drone footage.  But that's definitely something to try and emulate. 

That is one sexy Alfa. Only let down by the wheels being too large.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 15, 2021, 12:51:27 PM
Here's the red Mk I Dave mentioned.  Presents well and has a 1098 and still has the floor start.

Just an hour into the auction and the seller of this Mini is already 10 times better than the seller of the black Mk I.  I like this car more too.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-austin-mini-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1961_austin_mini_16106633791e2746f62116d1IMG_0189.jpg?fit=940%2C626)








Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 15, 2021, 11:50:13 PM
Yes that red/black car is a nice solid looking early car.
The only things it needs is the under bonnet wiring harness tidied up and maybe discs up front.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: G67mcs on January 16, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
 The red/black MK1 had been posted on the MM sale board last May for 22.5K. Pretty strong for a non-S car although MK1's are all the rage.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 16, 2021, 01:05:14 PM
Especially for one with a non correct engine and drum brakes!  $22,500? I dunno, but I don't think so....

It's a nice car and a good platform to build on for sure, but it never was an S and never will be.

I keep going back to Stan's car, which was virtually brand new - every part of it - with a strong 1275 and all the right parts, and it only brought what, $19K? Admittedly it wasn't a Mk1, but it was such a nice, well done car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2021, 02:43:52 PM
With a 1098 and drum brakes, that might be $14K to $16k on a really good day to a knowledgeable buyer.   But for someone with stars in their eyes... who knows?

One thing it does have going for it is it's not the black Mini with the mostly-uncooperative seller and sketchy VIN.  So the red car will be cross-shopped and that will help it I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 16, 2021, 09:36:17 PM
Depending what cylinder head casting is on the red car with the twin carbs (if original) it may be a MG 1100 engine which should help but it is not a 22k car.
You're right with this Mini running the same time as the black one its not going to help the bidding and the red car is already ahead after two days.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 16, 2021, 10:06:58 PM
So the Seller of the black Mini will almost surely never provide any cold start or driving videos - much to the detriment of the auction.

I mentioned above that he's actually sold cars on BaT before, and the last one was a Triumph Stag earlier this month.  I looked through the comments on the Stag and during that auction people were telling him that as the Seller he needs to get involved and respond to questions about the car.  Of course he did not.  And somehow it managed to sell.  So he's been rewarded for his poor behavior. 

But as I said earlier, I don't think unanswered questions and no videos at all is going to cut it with the Mini crowd.  I am amazed when sellers expect their stubbornness just be ignored by buyers.   

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 20, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 13, 2021, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 13, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
A better buy than that red Hollywood car was, IMHO.....

And another black car, this time a Mk1....this one has no chassis plate and is titled according to it's "body number"?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-5/)

That VIN issue may put some people off. But I don't think it's going to hurt the auction. This is a customized Mini that is going to appeal a lot to some people, but other people may not be fond of the color or the various customized details.  Personally, I am no fan of 13" wheels and big fender flares on a Mk I or Mark II car.

It does have a 1275 and it is a Mk I so those two things are going to win it over in the end.  Plus it can be registered in California. Unless there is a cranky seller or something negative comes up about the car, I could see this one going in the high teens possibly. 

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1964_austin_mini_cooper_16061714654221e9d363e2fe1964_austin_mini_cooper_1604601901ff9f98764daf2dbdfa2-e988-4d6b-9089-6aacc48e91d3-OhTjyp.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

The seller remained cranky and generally unhelpful throughout the auction.  The car sold for $16,750.  Surely it would've been higher if there had been a video and a cooperative Seller.   

Oh, and a real VIN too!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 20, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
I'm always curious where these cars will end up - sometimes the new owner will tell, but usually they don't.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 21, 2021, 07:10:06 AM
The red car with the 1098 is already at $13K with a day and a half still left. Lots of back-and-forth bidding action going on now with some of the same bidders as on the black car are busy bidding for it.

This car could go surprisingly high I think.  Surprisingly high for what it is.  Unlike the black car, it's got a video, a responsive selller, and a real VIN. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 21, 2021, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on January 20, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
I'm always curious where these cars will end up - sometimes the new owner will tell, but usually they don't.....

Its heading North to Chicago Dave.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2021, 02:58:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 16, 2021, 02:43:52 PM
With a 1098 and drum brakes, that might be $14K to $16k on a really good day to a knowledgeable buyer.   But for someone with stars in their eyes... who knows?

One thing it does have going for it is it's not the black Mini with the mostly-uncooperative seller and sketchy VIN.  So the red car will be cross-shopped and that will help it I think.

Well several people definitely had stars in their eyes and really, really wanted this Mini.  A lot of competitive bidding.  It sold for $26,000 !!!     8.gif

As Heritage Garage pointed out in the comments, that used to be Cooper S money!  But someone spent that for a nice Mk I Mini with a 1098 with drum brakes.   Crazy.

The cranky owner of the black Mini must be shaking his head as this one sold for nearly $10,000 more than his.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2021, 03:10:29 PM
OMG!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on January 22, 2021, 03:54:11 PM
Holy crap! It was a nice car but 26k seems a bit unreasonable.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 22, 2021, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 22, 2021, 02:58:06 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 16, 2021, 02:43:52 PM
With a 1098 and drum brakes, that might be $14K to $16k on a really good day to a knowledgeable buyer.   But for someone with stars in their eyes... who knows?

One thing it does have going for it is it's not the black Mini with the mostly-uncooperative seller and sketchy VIN.  So the red car will be cross-shopped and that will help it I think.

Well several people definitely had stars in their eyes and really, really wanted this Mini.  A lot of competitive bidding.  It sold for $26,000 !!!     8.gif

As Heritage Garage pointed out in the comments, that used to be Cooper S money!  But someone spent that for a nice Mk I Mini with a 1098 with drum brakes.   Crazy.

The cranky owner of the black Mini must be shaking his head as this one sold for nearly $10,000 more than his.

Well even after fees that sure beats the $22,500 he was asking on Mini Mania.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 23, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
yeah, add the buyers fee and it's $27,300
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 25, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
Another Mini is on BaT.   This one is a 1977 that has had a 1275 installed and Cooper badges added. 

The red and black theme may not be to everyones' taste.  No telling at this early stage how the auction will go.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1977_mini_classic_austin_mini_cooper-_coupe_1609881808dbffabbf2IMG_1219-2.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 25, 2021, 07:54:06 PM
Red over black roof looks good.  Black stripes meh.  All black rims meh.  They need the polished lip like my black rims. Then the additional black flares really makes it less visually appealing to me.  Just noticed the black seam covers too. Also not good.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 25, 2021, 08:18:27 PM
Yep, this one hits all the Meh spots for me too - it's right on trend tho.....red paint, black roof, black wheels, black trim, 4 spot lights on the front. All it needs are those skinny seats only a 12 y/o boy's ass will fit!

Forgot to mention the big spotlight on the butt!

And the fake roll bar.......

Oh, and........wait for it.................................Oversills!!!!!   77.gif

Bedliner on the roof, and no heater......

Coil spring suspension.

Vin plate looks correct, except for those mounting screws

Noisy Weber carb too.

Wow.....about $30K in invoices.... ::) 8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: KingpenM3 on January 25, 2021, 09:04:22 PM
Damn, just as soon as I was floating the idea of blacking out my roof and wheels this example comes along to let me know that is a horrible idea!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 25, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
It can look good if done properly. This is a car I painted some time ago. 

(http://www.restorationmini.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=1749)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 25, 2021, 09:11:07 PM
And my mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 26, 2021, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 25, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
Another Mini is on BaT.   This one is a 1977 that has had a 1275 installed and Cooper badges added. 

The red and black theme may not be to everyones' taste.  No telling at this early stage how the auction will go.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1977_mini_classic_austin_mini_cooper-_coupe_1609881808dbffabbf2IMG_1219-2.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Looking through some of the $30k plus in receipts it just amazes me what owners will spend on a Mini.
A fair bit of welding was done to the roof i wonder what that bedliner texture coat is hiding and how long it will last.
As most bed liner finishes fade over time i am sure it will need a re paint at some time, he may have been better off using one of the liner materials (Herculiner)?that are clear and you mix the colour into it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 26, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
You can spray flat paint these days so I'm not sure why a bedliner for the roof.  It looks off being flat on the roof anyways. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on January 26, 2021, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 26, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
You can spray flat paint these days so I'm not sure why a bedliner for the roof.  It looks off being flat on the roof anyways. 

Especially since all the rest of the black is not flat, Odd choice for the roof for sure and when compared to one of your beautifully done shiny roofs, it just looks that much worse.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 26, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 26, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
You can spray flat paint these days so I'm not sure why a bedliner for the roof.  It looks off being flat on the roof anyways.

I actually thought it was a vinyl roof from the 70s at first glance.
And just like a vinyl roof bedliner will hide and cover up a lot of sins.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: KingpenM3 on January 26, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 25, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
It can look good if done properly. This is a car I painted some time ago. 


I can appreciate that for sure, something about the BAT car comes off as trying to hard. Or not quite accomplishing the goal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on January 27, 2021, 06:41:44 AM
Quote from: KingpenM3 on January 26, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: 94touring on January 25, 2021, 09:08:22 PM
It can look good if done properly. This is a car I painted some time ago. 


I can appreciate that for sure, something about the BAT car comes off as trying to hard. Or not quite accomplishing the goal.

Yes it does.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 27, 2021, 07:52:20 AM
Hey KingpenM3, welcome to Restoration Mini! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 29, 2021, 03:58:26 PM
So... just your average Mini now on BaT.

Oh, there's a 18 minute video too.

I'm sure nobody is going to notice this car.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-rover-mini-mk-4/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1991_mini_rover_mini_mk_4_1611262413d257e4dd2620190119_152132.jpg?fit=940%2C626)








Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 29, 2021, 04:24:02 PM
$8 K the first day too....

My problem with all of these bike engined cars, outside of the noise, the no reverse and no torque, is that even in town just cruising around you're turning 7-10K RPM.

Curious to see where this one winds up......that is SOME rear splitter!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2021, 08:26:00 PM
The add says it is running 12 x 7 ATV wheels, i hope that is the make of wheels and not four wheeler atv wheels with that much power.
Kawasaki is not the usual choice of bike engine used usually Suzuki and Yamaha here but the UK guys use mainly Honda bike engines from what i have seen.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 01, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on January 26, 2021, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 25, 2021, 07:40:08 PM
Another Mini is on BaT.   This one is a 1977 that has had a 1275 installed and Cooper badges added. 

The red and black theme may not be to everyones' taste.  No telling at this early stage how the auction will go.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1977_mini_classic_austin_mini_cooper-_coupe_1609881808dbffabbf2IMG_1219-2.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Looking through some of the $30k plus in receipts it just amazes me what owners will spend on a Mini.
A fair bit of welding was done to the roof i wonder what that bedliner texture coat is hiding and how long it will last.
As most bed liner finishes fade over time i am sure it will need a re paint at some time, he may have been better off using one of the liner materials (Herculiner)?that are clear and you mix the colour into it.

The red/black Mini just sold for $21,000. Good money for a roll up window 77 model with a Weber and no driving video.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 01, 2021, 04:53:57 PM
That's pretty high for that car IMO. I thought it should have been around $17500 or so.

Are we seeing a bit of a Mini bubble with the last several cars being sold?  Or is the market really changing?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 01, 2021, 05:08:01 PM
I did NOT think it would go that high.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 01, 2021, 08:29:59 PM
No i thought it sold for a lot higher price than i thought it was worth.
That being said it had $31k in receipts plus the original price of the car so it was a loss money wise for the owner.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 01, 2021, 08:49:20 PM
The fuck.  That POS sold for that much?  I need to sell my mini and buy this lake property I've been eye balling.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on February 03, 2021, 07:19:09 AM
Gamestop stock profits?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 03, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: tsumini on February 03, 2021, 07:19:09 AM
Gamestop stock profits?

I bet you can get some really good prices on used yachts right now. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 04, 2021, 04:17:22 PM
This Cooper S is now on BaT.  It's not totally original and it comes from New Zealand so that will muddle things a little bit, but I expect this one is going to go for some seriously big money. 

I believe that it's Mk I goodness will overpower objections.  My guesstimate is upper 30s or into the mid-40s.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/1966_morris_cooper_s_161066370549ebcf8b75fe8d2IMG_1180.jpg?fit=940%2C626)






Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 05, 2021, 07:43:19 PM
The bike engined Mini in Canada? Sold for freaking $37K!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 06, 2021, 06:00:46 AM
That's crazy money. 

The Mk I Cooper S from NZ is getting a lot of scrutiny based upon concerns about its origin.  From Australia? New Zealand? Oz doors?  Interesting to watch experts, who have never appeared on BaT before, chime in. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 06, 2021, 08:51:28 AM
Real experts of just keyboard experts? I'll have to go check the listing out.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 06, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
One of my big pet peeves on BaT is people that are too stupid to read the auction listing and/or seller's answers and then comment as though the information presented does not exist.   The Oz doors and when they were fitted are a good example. 

Of course, my favorite is people who jump in 20 minutes before the auction ends and ask the inevitable "Can I get this registered in California?" questions.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 08, 2021, 08:49:37 PM
There are a whole bunch of comments back and forth on that blue and white Mk I Cooper S.   Because it isn't the typical English Mini, a lot of people are jumping in with their own information on Minis built in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc.   The seller is not making any friends either. And there is speculation that the car may have been built up into a Cooper S using a Mini 850 to match some Cooper S documentation from New Zealand.

Popcorn time. 

Edit: i'm not sure whether to call it Internet fisticuffs, or an Internet pissing match. But it's on between the seller and commenters.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 09, 2021, 08:08:55 AM
It should have some indents on the windscreen scuttle where the wiper arms are located.  I didn't see those in the pics. The gutter drains will be different too.  Floor pans will also be stamped differently. Probably several other minor details as well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 09, 2021, 09:08:57 AM
Did you all get the email where BaT now offers door to door shipping of your auction win, either in open or closed transport?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on February 09, 2021, 11:07:56 AM
I did not get such an email.  It may be that you have to already be approved for bidding?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 09, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
Could be....but you as a seller should have gotten it too, I would think!

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Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 09, 2021, 11:36:18 AM
I got the email too.  It's a very good idea I think.  Helps remove the common objection of "I'd be interested if it was closer to me" or "wrong coast" etc. 

Most people don't know anything about shipping a car.  But they know it takes lots of research and shopping around getting bids and so forth.   But if that concern becomes a nonissue it will really open up potential bidders I think.

But...BaT is going to have to be able to quickly quote transportation costs from the seller to buyer's location while the auction is still underway in order to make this work effectively IMO.   Otherwise, just a vague promise of low cost of shipping without actual expense details is not going to work.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 09, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
I read it that you can only get a quote if/when you win an auction?

Edit: no, you're right...."anyone can generate a shipping bid on any live auction at any time" - it says

I just did a test quote, they're pretty spendy.....about $1.50/mile in an open carrier.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 09, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: 94touring on February 09, 2021, 08:08:55 AM
It should have some indents on the windscreen scuttle where the wiper arms are located.  I didn't see those in the pics. The gutter drains will be different too.  Floor pans will also be stamped differently. Probably several other minor details as well.

Lots of insights on the Australian minis.   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 10, 2021, 08:03:39 AM
I am kind of doubting now that the bids will break $20,000 on that New Zealand/Australian/UK car that could be a Cooper S/Mini 850. 

Unless...some wise person swoops in to get a bargain during all the confusion - assuming RNM does not prevent that.

It's a nice looking car but that auction has taken so many twists and turns that a driving video has not even been requested.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 10, 2021, 09:04:46 AM
It's in Canada too, so there's too much snow on the ground for a driving video - I'm guessing.  ::)

I agree, he's had it for sale all over the place for months now for £25,000 and unless he just decides to take the hit and be done with it , it will go RNM. Too bad he alienated that one guy, said he was local to the car and really interested - seemed like a real buyer - but he said to hell with it. He may resurface but I doubt it.

Did the seller ever take the 4 pics of specific things they asked for?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 10, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 10, 2021, 09:04:46 AM
It's in Canada too, so there's too much snow on the ground for a driving video - I'm guessing.  ::)

I agree, he's had it for sale all over the place for months now for £25,000 and unless he just decides to take the hit and be done with it , it will go RNM. Too bad he alienated that one guy, said he was local to the car and really interested - seemed like a real buyer - but he said to hell with it. He may resurface but I doubt it.

Did the seller ever take the 4 pics of specific things they asked for?

No pics yet.  Or likely.   

Still plenty of time for this auction to go really south.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on February 10, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Why anyone would list a mini for sale on BAT and then also be obstinate when it comes to further inquiries into said mini, is beyond me. I doubt there is a place on the web that could pick a mini apart as quickly or as efficiently as the folks who frequent the mini listings on BAT.

It is entertaining at times to watch though, and it is a great place to pick up some knowledge at times. All the pictures are also great for reference when restoring/fixing your own car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 10, 2021, 08:44:01 PM
On one of the previous possible ads, it was listed by Terry Milnes, a pretty well known Canadian Mini racer. If someone was serious they could track him down. I am not sure if it was ever verified as the same car though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 10, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
As the seller has not taken the four photos requested and judging by the comments two of these photos show crucial numbers that verify its authenticity and not forgetting the "aged" forged vin plate i would think there is a good possibility it is a fake S.
Also the 17 digit vin etched into the rear glass when a car is not registered for a while sounds a bit sketchy, why would the NZ dmv not stamp a new vin into a permanent piece of body metal or attach a corrected vin plate?
If it is a real S the £25k he was asking is not that far out of line imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 10, 2021, 09:35:25 PM
I asked, and the seller admitted, that he had never looked at a BaT auction before listing his car.  How is that possible?  Like a lamb walking into the lion's den, he just wasn't prepared for the reception.   I guess he thought it was gonna be like eBay. 

Severe lack of situational awareness IMO. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 11, 2021, 09:00:10 AM
I don't think he ever expected people as knowledgeable as are commenting on his auction to out him like this, either that or like others have speculated, it's a fake.

Hard to slide one of those by on BaT anymore, at least a Mini fake.

I haven't looked at a lot of other auctions to see for sure, but I don't see this kind of detailed knowledge on others that I have watched - maybe on some other specialized cars like older Vettes they do it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 11, 2021, 10:05:22 AM
I tell Mini owners who want to list on BaT you have got to have a thick skin, be honest about what you have and be prepared for questions scrutiny and grilling and sometimes insults especially if your car is not 100% pure.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 11, 2021, 10:17:48 AM
I think you just have to be honest about what you're selling, and not get defensive.....don't try to hide things once it's out in the open.

If a car has oversills, show them, don't try to hide them with bad photography or poor lighting.

If it has a questionable heritage, BaT is probably not the place to sell it - take it to Ebay.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 11, 2021, 03:42:29 PM
Well the UK, OZ or NZ Mini depending on who you want to believe got to $28,500 US around $36,200 Canadian but ended RNM.

Apparently he is removing the reserve and is going to contact the last bidder, not sure why he did not do it earlier.

I asked if it came with paperwork matching the original vin or the new one as it was listed on the old vin and that is what it comes with.

If NZ goes to the trouble of issuing a new vin why is he not using it or moreso why even mention it if you have the original paperwork to sell it, a little fishy for sure with lots of unanswered questions.

One things for sure with 226 comments I learnt more about OZ and NZ Minis than I ever need to know lol.

I thought that $28,500 was a decent bid with all the hoopla the origin and vin number created.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 11, 2021, 04:30:58 PM
He says he contacted the high bidder, and accepted his bid.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 11, 2021, 04:32:45 PM
I think it went that high because Hugh pointed out just the sum of the parts alone (Cooper S engine, Mk I body, etc.) was worth more than the current bids.  I think that spurred some people along.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 11, 2021, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 11, 2021, 04:32:45 PM
I think it went that high because Hugh pointed out just the sum of the parts alone (Cooper S engine, Mk I body, etc.) was worth more than the current bids.  I think that spurred some people along.

That's a different dr mini posting his name is Larry Holloway and a bit of a Mini guru.
He is the guy that bought all the Catalina island Mokes back to the USA.
The seller got smart. Trying to sell it after all those questions and remarks would be a disaster, once its on the internet its there forever for anyone to view.
Reading through the comments the Healey guy from NZ remembered the car and did a full restoration but could not remember if it was an original body.
Pics to confirm it went unanswered then near the end of the auction it came out it was stored for the winter.
My guess is it was no longer an original bodied S.
Still a nice car just a lot of doubts about its true originality.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 11, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up about it not being Hugh.  I've heard of Larry Holloway through the years and I remember when he bought all the Catalina Mokes back in the 90s.  I shouldn't have assumed that DrMini was the same here and there.  I actually use a different user name on BaT than I do here and confusingly I am LarryH there.  I'm not impersonating Larry Holloway  ;D  it's just a pseudonym I've used elsewhere on the Internet and it's based upon someone I knew in high school.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 12, 2021, 04:53:48 PM
Yes I do too I am malsal on BaT and elsewhere i just chose Jimini II here as I owned one (Moke kit car) at the time.
I had figured you were one and the same through the postings here with Mini Dave.
There is actually a 3rd dr mini in Australia who used to post frequently on MM before it went downhill with the troll.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on February 12, 2021, 07:38:23 PM
Pretty sure I've been using this username since the dawn of the internet. 

MK1 prices are nuts.  Seems to be spilling over to the non cooper/s cars.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 19, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
Watch for it!

My friend Russ Foust has listed his wild, crazy Acura V-6 powered Mini Clubman on BaT, don't know when it will go live but it should be an interesting auction!

It's the car with the WWII look, army green with the "fighter style teeth" on the front fenders and such.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 02, 2021, 06:23:17 PM
Quite a Mini drought over at BaT.  No classic Mini auctions listed for 3 weeks or more.

I don't think that has happened before.  Has the intense scrutiny on recent Mini auctions scared some sellers away?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 02, 2021, 06:25:07 PM
I wish they wouldn't do them in groups....one here, one there would be better I think.

They had quite a run on MINI GP's tho.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 08, 2021, 08:09:31 AM
Well you can get your "Mini fix" again as there is a 76 NZ Mini on BaT LHD as well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 08, 2021, 08:09:31 AM
Well you can get your "Mini fix" again as there is a 76 NZ Mini on BaT LHD as well.

Yes.  Here it is.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mk-iv-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1976_mini_mk_iv_1614982957e6376b61611625577d1024723acc146IMG_0256.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 12, 2021, 11:14:33 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 19, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
Watch for it!

My friend Russ Foust has listed his wild, crazy Acura V-6 powered Mini Clubman on BaT, don't know when it will go live but it should be an interesting auction!

It's the car with the WWII look, army green with the "fighter style teeth" on the front fenders and such.....

It's on!  It'll be very interesting to see how this car does. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-austin-mini-clubman-2/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/1975_austin_mini_clubman_1614861421bf523f24deee1IMG_2338.HEIC.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)





Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2021, 11:54:54 AM
Yeah, he says he's having all sorts of trepidations about selling it. This was a spared no expense build, so I don't blame him.....I drove it before he added the boost and it was a freaking BEAST with 250 hp, I can't even imagine what it's like with twice that, the back end got loose in 3rd gear at 45 mph in the video at Lake Garnett.

I thought he was going to post a few laps at Heartland too......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 12, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
Undoubtedly the wildest Mini build I have seen on BaT.

On another note I read on Jalopnik I think a 1980 Ford F250 long bed single cab 4x4 with only 76 miles on it just sold recently for $97,000 !!!
Looking through the Ford truck sales another 78 Ford Ranger 4x4 with 1,000 miles sold for $95,500 !!!
I somewhat understand the rare exotics but basic Ford trucks for nearly or possibly more than $100k with fees and transportation what the heck are these buyers thinking or am I missing something.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 12, 2021, 06:14:47 PM
a 64 Ranchero sold for $96K, absolutely nutso!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 12, 2021, 06:59:46 PM
If you think that's crazy, take a look at this auction for a bunch of Corgi model cars.  I had many of these when I was a kid, so the nostalgia is strong. 

It's up to $7,000 so far...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/complete-car-collection/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/1614998545969c87aee1a6cPage-7-MiniTaxi-scaled.jpg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on March 13, 2021, 09:14:56 AM
Crazy, I looked to see what the Countryman with surfboard would cost by itself:
https://www.toymart.com/Corgi-485-Mini-Countryman-with-Surfer/787 (https://www.toymart.com/Corgi-485-Mini-Countryman-with-Surfer/787)
Price Guide £232.24 A+/A+ Condition

I have a Lesney Matchbox doubledecker
Only worht about £10.51


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 13, 2021, 09:51:16 PM
Bid is $7,888 right now for 202 pieces so an average of $39.00 per piece with two days to go.
Unless you want a varied collection i am not sure this is the best way to buy a collection.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 15, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 08, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 08, 2021, 08:09:31 AM
Well you can get your "Mini fix" again as there is a 76 NZ Mini on BaT LHD as well.

Yes.  Here it is.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mk-iv-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1976_mini_mk_iv_1614982957e6376b61611625577d1024723acc146IMG_0256.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $11,000.  A fair price I think for a nice 998 Mini. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 15, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Yep, I think that's the market for a decent 998.....

After a flurry of activity to start it off, Russ' Mini seems to have quieted down now. It still has a long ways to go so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 16, 2021, 07:01:03 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 15, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 08, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Jimini II on March 08, 2021, 08:09:31 AM
Well you can get your "Mini fix" again as there is a 76 NZ Mini on BaT LHD as well.

Yes.  Here it is.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mk-iv-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1976_mini_mk_iv_1614982957e6376b61611625577d1024723acc146IMG_0256.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $11,000.  A fair price I think for a nice 998 Mini.

I agree a fair price but based on the lack of rust I thought it may have done a little more.
If someone has owned their Mini for quite a few years as this seller had they can be bought for a reasonable price unlike if someone had purchased this car recently at a substantially higher price and done all the work they would want the $20k back they had spent and it would be a r n m.

There is a super nice Clubman Estate on BaT right now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 16, 2021, 08:00:02 AM
Here is the well-presented Clubman Estate on BaT.  Very clean.  It even has a body-colored painted gas tank!

I wonder how it will do with the BaT crowd who are used to seeing Minis that are regular Mini-shaped?


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-mini-clubman/



(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/1972_mini_clubman_1614625109fccca2-MG_3707.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 16, 2021, 08:12:09 AM
Wow, love that Clubby!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 16, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
It is indeed a pretty one.  It makes me miss the one I had back in 2001-2002 when I was living in Colorado.




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
SLGGR sold for $30K, says it's going to Malibu and run Mulholland road. I don't know how he's going to get it licensed - maybe he's a dealer and can run it on D plates?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 19, 2021, 05:07:02 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 19, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
SLGGR sold for $30K, says it's going to Malibu and run Mulholland road. I don't know how he's going to get it licensed - maybe he's a dealer and can run it on D plates?


Plates?  Who needs plates? Nobody's gonna be able to catch him!   4.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 19, 2021, 05:32:33 PM
Russ says he's an immigration attorney....so not a dealer. Well............not a CAR dealer!   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 20, 2021, 04:30:08 PM
There's now a very nice early 1960 Mini-Minor on BaT.  Interesting history and a great seller.  Dave and I met Mike during the 2016 Mini Meet.  Got a personal tour of his museum too.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/1960_morris_mini_minor_1614716325e2a6c81fDSC05793.jpg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 21, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Wow, that red Mini 850 is up to $18K just one day into the 7-day auction! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 21, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
What do you suppose is the attraction for an early 850 Mini, that it would bring this kind of money?

Did you look at the car in the previous auction? Malamut spent some money refurbing it....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 21, 2021, 12:41:41 PM
I would say the attraction is that it is the Mini in its purest form - just as it's designer and BMC originally intended.  It also has nostalgia about going back to the way things used to be.  There's no alloy wheels on that car, no upgrade to a 1275, no boy-racer steering wheel, no unnecessary fender flairs, no stripes, no spot lamps, etc.  Of course it also means that has all the compromises of an early car too.

You know there's a whole group of people in the UK dedicated to collecting and discussing the minute details of the very, very early 1959 Minis?  It's the https://1959miniregister.com/

Perhaps it's to make up for the British public using up and casually throwing away nearly 5,000,000 Minis without a second thought?   ;D  Now that Minis are so (relatively) scarce on the UK this sort of addresses the long-gone early ones? 

What was the previous auction you were talking about?




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 21, 2021, 12:45:45 PM
When Mike bought it on Bat a couple years ago, car was a little rough then.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 22, 2021, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 21, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
What do you suppose is the attraction for an early 850 Mini, that it would bring this kind of money?

Did you look at the car in the previous auction? Malamut spent some money refurbing it....

I would not be surprised if it goes back to the UK as the somewhat original condition with no extra welding is hard to find there.

The Clubman Estate seems to have stalled @$12,500 and the owner has not introduced himself or replied to questions but I am sure it will gather steam in the last couple of hours as they usually do.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 23, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
Well the bidding picked up at the end with the red Clubman Estate on the no reserve auction closed at $19,500 and Heritage garage was the winning bidder.
The seller had 5 auctions closing today, hefty payday and a big clear out.
Building that car for any less would be hard to do unless you did everything yourself.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 23, 2021, 01:10:31 PM
It was a very nice car and I was in it for a while, but can't compete with the big money guys like Heritage, when you add a $1000 buyer's fee and another $2k to get it shipped, then taxes and lic fees here to get it registered - it was just too much for me to invest. They'll have to sell it for $25K or more to make anything on it.....

That's the false economy of buying at auction....all the extra costs
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on March 23, 2021, 08:06:31 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 21, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
What do you suppose is the attraction for an early 850 Mini, that it would bring this kind of money?

Did you look at the car in the previous auction? Malamut spent some money refurbing it....
Original 59 Mini's are rare and have a cult like following in the UK.
1960's have been getting real popular from 59 spillover interest. The Malamut car has a ton of provenance for the collector and has a story the Brits love.
My 1960 Austin would fit right in but doesn't have the provenance and a non matching engine SN.
I would be happy with half the bid.
I am considering BAT to sell mine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 27, 2021, 08:14:57 PM
Mike Malamut's Mini 850 did not sell at $20,250, but I have a feeling he made a deal with one of the top 2 bidders - I think they were actually pretty close on the reserve.

I also  found out that BaT will make up the difference between reserve and high bid if it's not too far apart in order to make the sale....Russ Foust says they did it on three of his sales on BaT, tho not the last one..... just like Mecom, Barratt Jackson, Russo and Steele and all the big auction houses.....it's all a scam!  ;D

Actually, the prices I've seen lately make me wonder just what the heck is going on in used cars - these aren't get you to work cars or guys buying a car they always wanted, these are speculators out to make a (big) buck.

and now there's a 93 Mini SPi 1275 for sale - in resale red of course! At least it has new fuses.....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-cooper/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-cooper/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 27, 2021, 08:22:00 PM
A "late model" SPI Mini is now on BaT.   I used the quote marks because what many of us have long considered late model cars are now nearly 3 decades old!   So I'm not sure that the words mean anything anymore!  Time marches on (to coin a phrase)  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-cooper/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1993_rover_mini_cooper_1613069107221e9d363e2fe9F796333-0ED7-4C1D-BEC0-964C975DE8DF.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 30, 2021, 05:02:19 PM
A Clubman with an interesting history is now on BaT.    Former driving school car.

Not my cup of tea being both a 998 and an automatic, but I'm sure someone will love it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mini-morris-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1977_mini_morris_mini_1616798491c05662a6720210301_143437.jpg?fit=940%2C626)









Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 31, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
A third Mini on BaT at the same time.   California buyers will like that this is old enough I had it does not have to pass smog.

However, I predict there will be some VIN controversy as the number does not seem correct.  Looks like some typos.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-850/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1961_mini_mk_i_16167022497ebd598f3c191961_mini_mk_i_1616467677dff9f98764da9c13b530-c654-4019-9e86-ac9da78bf9d1-gERawy.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 31, 2021, 08:13:29 PM
The red spi looks like a decent car and should do well.
The white Clubman needs a fair amount of work and does not have a lot going for it but as its no reserve it will sell.
The red/white MK 1 looks well sorted and its already at $18k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 02, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
The fourth classic Mini on BAT at one time and this one is a doozy. Some people are gonna love it and some people are going to hate it, but Wow.   

I expect this will bring some serious $$$.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-s-sprint-wood-pickett/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1966_morris_mini_cooper_s_sprint_wood__pickett_1617162691f93aad47a19e2a6c81011-21-097.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on April 03, 2021, 07:30:25 AM
The new front air dam ruined it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 03, 2021, 07:45:05 AM
The new headlights - tho like Larry H says are evocative of the time the car was built - make the front end remind me of a Checker cab.....

It will be interesting to see what this one does, I would expect an overseas buyer in japan or England to snap it up, given it's basis is a Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 03, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
Too many body mods for me. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 03, 2021, 03:29:45 PM
The red spi sold for $15k seems like a decent price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 04, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Dan, this is right in your backyard.   Do you know the car or owner?

Looks to be a pretty original Mk I Cooper S. Too bad it doesn't have the original interior.   Think it will be some big money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1964_austin_cooper_s_16173145639ea4180a8a7178549DB-230E-42DE-9853-76C4DF9928B3.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 04, 2021, 09:13:41 PM
It looks mostly unmolested and a good base to bring it up to the next level.
Getting the right interior from Newton commercial will be expensive but it needs it imo.
At least all the correct numbers are in place and look correct, the bidding will be strong.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 05, 2021, 01:00:10 AM
Not familiar with that guy.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 05, 2021, 07:27:18 AM
The black Wood & Pickett Mini is up to $46K (!) with 4 days left.  Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 06, 2021, 02:25:31 PM
The white/red Clubby sold for $5700, it had three things against it right from the go - it was a clubby, it was a 998 and it was an automatic. Even so, it probably was a decent deal at that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on April 08, 2021, 06:29:28 AM
Last Sept. I reported here that the blue Mini & a half which was initially listed on BaT but ended in RNM had been listed on Mania for $22K.

The sales price was later lowered to $21K, then down to $20k.

It's now listed by the same owner for $16k for the car and an extra $2k for the trailer with a possible package deal available, most likely in the $17k range.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 08, 2021, 07:12:23 AM
What was high bid on BaT?

Edit: high bid on BaT was only $11K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 08, 2021, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 31, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
A third Mini on BaT at the same time.   California buyers will like that this is old enough I had it does not have to pass smog.

However, I predict there will be some VIN controversy as the number does not seem correct.  Looks like some typos.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-850/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1961_mini_mk_i_16167022497ebd598f3c191961_mini_mk_i_1616467677dff9f98764da9c13b530-c654-4019-9e86-ac9da78bf9d1-gERawy.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

The Deseamed modified Mini sold for $20,150.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 08, 2021, 09:03:53 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 02, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
The fourth classic Mini on BAT at one time and this one is a doozy. Some people are gonna love it and some people are going to hate it, but Wow.   

I expect this will bring some serious $$$.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-cooper-s-sprint-wood-pickett/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1966_morris_mini_cooper_s_sprint_wood__pickett_1617162691f93aad47a19e2a6c81011-21-097.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Bidding up to $57,500 now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 08, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
Seems like a reasonable deal all around for a Mk1
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 08, 2021, 01:34:55 PM
Probably a good price for that deseamed Mini.


The black Wood & Pickett is in the upper 50s with 24 hours to go.  Wonder if it will go above $85K?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 08, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
It's already a BIG number, but I would not be surprised to see it keep going, especially if there are Euro buyers in the mix.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 09, 2021, 05:19:21 PM
Wow.......the Wilson Picket Mini did not sell at $63,500!!!!  :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: G67mcs on April 09, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
Perhaps owner expecting very large six figure number for the Wood & Picket car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 11, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
Perhaps he was expecting bigger money, its a nice car with great history but unfortunately it has been messed with a lot since those early days.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 13, 2021, 06:11:23 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 04, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Dan, this is right in your backyard.   Do you know the car or owner?

Looks to be a pretty original Mk I Cooper S. Too bad it doesn't have the original interior.   Think it will be some big money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-cooper-s-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1964_austin_cooper_s_16173145639ea4180a8a7178549DB-230E-42DE-9853-76C4DF9928B3.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Well, it didn't bring "big money", but it sold for $30,000. That's a more reasonable price for a Mk I Cooper S than we've seen recently.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 15, 2021, 06:56:07 AM
Here's one with a few twists.  It's a Mini.  And it's an Elf.  And it has a VTEC.  And it's in Hawaii.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-riley-elf-2/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1966_riley_elf_1618006234ea4180a8a78dIMG_2207.jpg?fit=940%2C626)














Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 15, 2021, 07:11:38 AM
This will be interesting to watch, it has a lot of strikes against it, not the least being the cost to ship it back from Hawaii, plus it needs some serious sorting out.

But the B16 conversion at 180 hp would be fun!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 15, 2021, 07:58:16 AM
Funny how the new BaT shipping calculator tool is not available on this auction.   

There must be a lot of vehicle shipping between Hawaii and the mainland, but I still bet it's expensive.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 15, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
I looked at and test drove that Elf before it went to Hawaii.  It was in northwest Austin, Texas at that time.

It still had some torque-steer issues and the final drive was not well suited to the 10" Mini wheels/tires.  The revs for a given speed in the expected gear always seemed too high.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 15, 2021, 08:21:16 AM
When I lived in Sandy Eggo, it was about $500 to ship a car to Hawaii, but no one ever shipped one back - they were either rusted to bits or sold there for a nice profit cause it wasn't rusted to bits.

Michael, that's why I put a taller final drive in Don's Pup - made the car so much nicer to drive. till then 1st gear was a throwaway and 75 on the highway was 4K RPM.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 16, 2021, 07:40:24 AM
Another Mini on BaT.  But what it is, it isn't.  Supposedly a Mk I 997 Cooper, it sure looks like a Mk II with an 1100 motor and Cooper S badging.   Not sure why they showed a Heritage certificate since that seems to be for an entirely different car.

There will be a lot of comments on this car.  The seller has not yet surfaced so this auction could go a number of different directions depending on how they respond to criticism.  But should be fun to watch.

I really like the blue color, and it looks to be a good car.  There's a photo of $28,000 in spending on the car.  :-\

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-mini-mk-i/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1963_mini_mk_i_1618414941276f7ebd598f3c19Mini-Cooper-3.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
It doesn't matter whether you spell it forwards, or backwards, RACECAR is RACECAR. 

I like the old Gulf livery.   Just listed an hour ago and bidding is at $20K.  :-\

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1608168981c385b13218fc5c8B.jpg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 02:19:08 PM
That dark blue Mk II bitsa is already at $16K with 5 days left to go!  Wow.  Some are convinced it's a Cooper S bodyshell.   And it is No Reserve auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 17, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
You mean the MK1 Cooper S that's really a MKII Mini 850 with an Austin America engine in it?   ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 06:07:16 PM
I like how it's a personal sale, but he's charging a dealer fee. 

Gotta love a car dealer. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 17, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
You mean the MK1 Cooper S that's really a MKII Mini 850 with an Austin America engine in it?   ;D

The seller has posted a photo showing tappet covers, so not an Austin America block.  See photo 121.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 17, 2021, 07:29:53 PM
It has the sandwich plate on the gearbox tho....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 09:57:30 PM
So it's an Austin America/MG1100 transmission then... 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 19, 2021, 01:27:15 PM
Crazy that the no reserve VTEC Elf is only at $7600 so far. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Red Riley on April 20, 2021, 06:38:23 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 19, 2021, 01:27:15 PM
Crazy that the no reserve VTEC Elf is only at $7600 so far.

Especially considering what it cost to build. From what I've been told, the guy that had MiniTec build it decided as soon as he picked it up that he didn't like it and immediately starting trying to sell it. Apparently he thought it was going to drive like a Honda Civic, just with a different body. It's changed hands a few times and looks like it's worse for wear.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 20, 2021, 07:04:35 AM
I think that happens with a lot of Vtec builds, the owners are disappointed with the NVH and rarely even drive them. But if you spend a little time sorting them out, they drive well - as I'm sure Red Riley can attest....

I know I spent some time re-engineering Don's Pup after MiniTec built it to get rid of all the annoying buzzes and rattles, and now it's down right Honda-ish. Changing the final drive really helped too.

I think one of the biggest holdbacks on this car is the fact that it's in Hawaii, most folks don't want the hassle of an overseas shipment. Matson runs to Hawaii at least once a week, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but most prospective buyers don't know that.

It sounded pretty quiet in the videos.....but with no tach it's hard to tell what it would do at highway speed - she never took it over 50 mph.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on April 20, 2021, 09:18:32 AM
A few years ago when I test drove it (shortly before the current owner bought it), it was not bad on the NVH.  It did have a bit more torque steer than I would have liked, but was easily managed.  It was being honestly represented as a "driver" condition at that time.  The big drawback for me was the final drive.  At 50 mph, the rpms were higher than I expected them to be.  Getting it above 50 and it was more into the "screaming" level for rpms - they seemed higher than a regular A-series in 4th gear at the same speed.

Having since read Dave's and Red Riley's posts about changing the final drive I would be much less put off by the car now than I was back then.  Right now is just poor timing for me to pursue any other cars/toys.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 22, 2021, 07:02:03 PM
That VTEC powered Elf sold for just $14250.   That's the lowest price VTEC Mini I've seen for a while. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 23, 2021, 08:17:57 PM
The blue bitsa MK I 997 Cooper vin with possibly MK II S shell and a  1275 possibly S engine with an Austin America gearbox and a chunk of aluminum missing out of one wheel just sold for $22k, the buyer is already on FB looking for a wheel.
For a no reserve auction I think the seller is or should be really happy with that result.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 23, 2021, 08:58:13 PM
Great description of that car!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on April 24, 2021, 10:07:28 AM
I looked up the type of wheel in the now archived wheeldictionary.net. Its an Astrali wheel which might be hard to find.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 24, 2021, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: LarryLebel on April 24, 2021, 10:07:28 AM
I looked up the type of wheel in the now archived wheeldictionary.net. Its an Astrali wheel which might be hard to find.

Besides being hard to find, apparently the alloy metallurgy of the 1960s makes those old wheels very brittle.  I had an original Cosmic wheel from the 60s break like that back in the 1980s when it was only 20 years old.  I wasn't fool enough to try and mount it on the car like that owner did.    I wouldn't waste any time trying to match that wheel, I'd just get an entirely new set of wheels. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 24, 2021, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: LarryLebel on April 24, 2021, 10:07:28 AM
I looked up the type of wheel in the now archived wheeldictionary.net. Its an Astrali wheel which might be hard to find.

Believe it or not Larry he had a few replies, one guy had a full set another had two and the third guy had one but as they were all in the UK he figured the shipping would be worth more than the wheel.
Welcome to the world of Minis.
I agree if your willing to spend $22k plus shipping and auction fees for a Mini spring for a set of wheels and I am sure tyres too in fact i just bought a set with 165 Yokos and lug nuts $740 shipped.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 28, 2021, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 17, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
It doesn't matter whether you spell it forwards, or backwards, RACECAR is RACECAR. 

I like the old Gulf livery.   Just listed an hour ago and bidding is at $20K.  :-\

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/1966_austin_mini_cooper_s_1608168981c385b13218fc5c8B.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

The blue Gulf colours S sold for $32k. A decent price for this car it would be impossible to replicate this racer for that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 28, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
A Mk I Mini Cooper is now on BaT.  Not original, but looks nice. Crossflow head and dual Webers.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morris-mini-cooper/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1963_morris_mini_cooper_1619465275b276f7ebd598f3c19B8E47320-0EBC-4665-BD66-F8A4ABCB1F77.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1963_morris_mini_cooper_1619017952d37e792c4410a3213541F6DF8-C36B-4079-89F3-D07AC5DC3B37.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 28, 2021, 04:51:45 PM
This one will do well especially as it is legal in Ca.
The bidding is already at $16k two hours into the auction.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 05, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
A mid-80s Japanese market Mini with a 998 is now on BaT.   Wonder how it will do?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mini-mk-v-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1985_mini_mk_v_162005300308136dc1880f1985_mini_mk_v_1619867107565ef66e7dff9f98a99c60d6-cee6-42ff-922d-11c8c6f7786a-eYqTYq.jpg?fit=940%2C627)





Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 05, 2021, 07:26:03 AM
In 2019 it sold on BaT for around $12,500 IIRC.....it will be interesting to see where it goes this time....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 05, 2021, 09:12:37 AM
That's solid money for a 998 car.   I can't imagine it selling for much more than that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 05, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
Michael B (meb) a long time Mini owner and BaT contributor was the seller in 2019 for $12,250 so I am guessing it was well sorted Japanese spec Mini.
I personally would prefer it to be registered on its original SAXX UK vin number which would match the stamped scuttle vin number, its not always needed but my local DMV requires two forms of id when registering.
At least it has a correctly stamped Japanese 99X vin in place unlike the later ones which were crudely stamped into the boot floor.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 05, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 28, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
A Mk I Mini Cooper is now on BaT.  Not original, but looks nice. Crossflow head and dual Webers.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morris-mini-cooper/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1963_morris_mini_cooper_1619465275b276f7ebd598f3c19B8E47320-0EBC-4665-BD66-F8A4ABCB1F77.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1963_morris_mini_cooper_1619017952d37e792c4410a3213541F6DF8-C36B-4079-89F3-D07AC5DC3B37.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)

Sold the final bid was $33,600.
Getting into S territory with those numbers, a nice build and a good price for the seller imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 05, 2021, 07:19:33 PM
Wow. That is definitely Cooper S territory.  I'm guessing the quality of the build and the fact it's a Mk I helped a lot.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 06, 2021, 05:09:55 AM
Yes it was and I am guessing already being registered in California may have helped the sale price too.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 07, 2021, 01:54:45 PM
Not specifically a Mini, but related and intriguing:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-arkley-ss-bodied-austin-healey-sprite/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1969_arkley_ss-bodied_austin_healey_sprite_162006227689d78f42a5d88693DSC02379.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 07, 2021, 03:47:47 PM
Not attractive AT all........ :(
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 07, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
Ah, I don't think it is that bad. Certainly not VW kitcar bad. 

Obviously it's an attempt to provide a classic Morgan-like appearance, but the stubby Spridget body works a bit against it.    Especially if your eyes are used to seeing a real Morgan. 

In my opinion it would look TONS better without the fat, ugly low-profile tires and Revolution wheels.   If it was fitted with normal skinny tires and Midget wire wheels it would look much better.  And take off the silly roundels too!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 07, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
I think it is a bit cute, but then I thought the Burton was neat as well.

As someone on the BaT comments pointed out: the front is Lotus-7ish and the rear is Morganish.

(I know, I have strange tastes.)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 11, 2021, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 05, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
A mid-80s Japanese market Mini with a 998 is now on BaT.   Wonder how it will do?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mini-mk-v-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1985_mini_mk_v_162005300308136dc1880f1985_mini_mk_v_1619867107565ef66e7dff9f98a99c60d6-cee6-42ff-922d-11c8c6f7786a-eYqTYq.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Well the blue/white JDM 998cc Mini sold for $16,500.
I think that is good money for a 998 that was purchased 2 years ago for $12,250.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 12, 2021, 10:55:00 AM
Wow. A lotta money for that Mini IMO.   Are we seeing all Minis rise in value I wonder?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 12, 2021, 03:44:27 PM
And now a "Baja Mini"?     8.gif

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mini-cooper-s-29/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mini-cooper-s-29/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1618962436d78735b2abb2d71-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C606)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 12, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Ummm.  Ahhhh.    Not sure what to say about that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on May 13, 2021, 08:50:18 AM
Neither was I.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on May 13, 2021, 11:22:22 AM
Looks a lot like a Baja style Bug I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 13, 2021, 06:28:32 PM
Kinda looks like this New Beetle I saw at Cars & Coffee last weekend.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 24, 2021, 03:25:54 PM
A tasty Mk I Cooper S is now on BaT.   Big bucks will surely be necessary. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-8/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1621863738fabbf2e1b2761965_austin_mini_cooper_s_16215214465d565ef66e7dffce8f7293-4127-4c68-a90b-87b1c8120d22-v7NI7j.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Red Riley on May 25, 2021, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on May 12, 2021, 03:44:27 PM
And now a "Baja Mini"?     8.gif

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mini-cooper-s-29/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mini-cooper-s-29/)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1618962436d78735b2abb2d71-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C606)

I'd honestly have to say that's the best looking new MINI I've seen yet. Almost tempts me to look for a cheap one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 25, 2021, 08:22:58 PM
They are cheap cars now, well most of them but not this one @$16,500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 26, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
Not an Austin, Morris, Rover, Riley, BMC, Wolseley, Innocenti, Cagiva, or  Authi.  Okay, I've been a Mini fanatic for many, many decades, but I've never hear of a IMA Mini.

The rear hatch looks cool, but sure is impractical.  Can anyone but a child fit under it?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-traveler-ima/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1977_austin_traveler_ima_16218711914deee167DD65EC-6089-4172-9EF1-98DB00B3FB19.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)





Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 26, 2021, 10:48:48 AM
I like it!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 27, 2021, 11:32:48 AM
And a later model Mini Cooper has now appeared on BaT.

And it's LHD which will appeal to many bidders.  And it's got a carb, too.   Somehow, it does not have functional wipers.   But other than that, looks good.   It's early days, but I think this may go into the upper teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-cooper-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1991_mini_cooper_16195461549d363e2fetop.jpg?fit=940%2C626)




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 27, 2021, 08:32:51 PM
Quote from: BruceK on May 26, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
Not an Austin, Morris, Rover, Riley, BMC, Wolseley, Innocenti, Cagiva, or  Authi.  Okay, I've been a Mini fanatic for many, many decades, but I've never hear of a IMA Mini.

The rear hatch looks cool, but sure is impractical.  Can anyone but a child fit under it?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-austin-traveler-ima/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1977_austin_traveler_ima_16218711914deee167DD65EC-6089-4172-9EF1-98DB00B3FB19.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

I saw that car a few years ago in Florida it was a well done restoration and now has a 1380.
The big plus of the rear hatch is the full width window, it has a lot more visability than the standard barn door port holes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 28, 2021, 07:12:12 AM
The wagon has had some money spent on it - those parts listed from Mania are spendy enough when you buy them at Spares, but from Mania? Whew! And their 1380 engine is what, about $10K?

Most everything that was done to it is pretty much what I would like in a car - it has a 3-1 diff, not a 3:20 as the ad says....

I wonder where this one will wind up - I think he's expecting it to go for what the other little red wagon did recently, with the added cachet of the back door....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 28, 2021, 08:51:18 AM
I agree it's a nice car.  But there was too much money put in it to get it back out.  Not only did the owner purchase the engine from MiniMania, but he paid a shop to install it!  $$$ after $$$$   

The one-piece hatch rather than the barn doors is cool to Mini nerds only, and it's not a woody.   So the appeal is somewhat limited.  Most people who want a Mini want the traditional Mini-shaped car.   

What do you think this will be bid to? Maybe $18,000? $20,000?  So I think RNM is pending...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 28, 2021, 02:06:13 PM
Good point. I miss Buzz, but I wouldn't pay $20-25K that I think he's expecting for this one, plus the buyers fee of 5% is another grand on 20K, plus shipping of another 2K. Just doesn't make sense to me at those numbers.

I might bid on it like I did the other one (which I actually like better than this one) and now that Heritage garage bought the other one (unless they bought it for a customer of theirs) they shouldn't be a bidder on this one - so maybe it will go reasonably - but I doubt it. probably RNM like you said. Still, they don't just let you pick your own reserve, so it may be lower than expected. We'll see......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 29, 2021, 01:49:05 PM
Moke for sale on BaT

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mini-moke-californian/
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 29, 2021, 07:30:20 PM
I don't know what the current owner paid for the IMA but it was originally advertised in Florida for mid $20's and the last price I seen was $21k I believe. When you add in the MM 1380 engine and box and someone else doing the work he may well be into it for mid $30's, so depending on how much he is willing to loose it could well be rnm.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 30, 2021, 06:45:08 AM
Quote from: BruceK on May 24, 2021, 03:25:54 PM
A tasty Mk I Cooper S is now on BaT.   Big bucks will surely be necessary. 


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-8/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1621863738fabbf2e1b2761965_austin_mini_cooper_s_16215214465d565ef66e7dffce8f7293-4127-4c68-a90b-87b1c8120d22-v7NI7j.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


This running, driving Mk I Cooper S is bid to only $8,800 with just a day left!? 

Huh?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 30, 2021, 09:56:45 AM
Yes I posted the same thought on BaT.
I can't see it doing big numbers as its in the area of a full strip down and restoration or will I be content fixing a few things and driving it, it seems the majority of buyers want basket case full restoration or a winter ready to go.
I am guessing it will end up in the high teens and possibly be rnm.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2021, 01:42:16 PM
The red and black MK I Cooper S was only bid to $15,000 a couple of hours before the auction ended, but there were a lot of last-minute bids and it sold for $35,000.  A good buy for a real, running S. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 31, 2021, 06:43:06 PM
There's a really nice 24K mile 2006 Pepper White Cooper S on BaT now.....the last one that sold only brought $8800, but it has 111K miles on it, lets see what low miles and a clean car are worth.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on May 31, 2021, 10:42:25 PM
Yeah I saw that. Very interesting. That seller seems to specialize in low mile MINIs.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 02, 2021, 07:26:03 PM
The red/white Portuguese IMA wagon sold for $26k, with the restoration and 1380 engine it would be hard to replicate for that price.

The red/black Cooper S I am surprised at the amount of money it did. Considering the amount of work it needed to be a nice driver and the owner openly admitting there was filler in the sills I think $35k was a great deal for the seller.
Maybe the way prices are going 10 years from now I will think he stole it LOL.

The white 69/79? Aussie Moke looks to be a pretty straight driver quality Moke, it needs a top etc but looks to be pretty rust free and sitting at $12,500 right now.

The 90's red lhd Mini looks like a decent car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 02, 2021, 07:34:40 PM
$26K for the IMA was a shitload of money for that car IMHO.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 03, 2021, 07:56:16 AM
Another, much nicer Moke on BaT....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-11/

I wonder if this car being sold at the same time will affect the other one's value?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 03, 2021, 09:01:13 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 03, 2021, 07:56:16 AM
Another, much nicer Moke on BaT....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-11/

I wonder if this car being sold at the same time will affect the other one's value?

Not a usual Moke color, but nice Moke.   I think it will hurt the other car.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1967_austin_mini_moke_1606756067391b1RFMoke_026e.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 03, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
Even tho it has to come thru Canada and there will be some costs associated with that, it seems to me to be a nicer car too. Which one would you rather have? The original 10" wheels version or the Aussie big wheel car?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 03, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
Me?  I'd rather have a Moke with 10 inch wheels – but not fat alloys like this car.  Steel wheels.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 03, 2021, 11:21:22 AM
And now another red & black Mk I Cooper S is on BaT.    Should do better than the last one.

I can't believe they took all those photos and didn't notice that the hood was open.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-9/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1621870218565ef66e7dff9f981965_austin_mini_cooper_s_16218702178495d565ef60d8ba6d4-2195-4251-a73a-50d7e1c68456-nbKTcW-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on June 03, 2021, 11:28:48 AM
... and a red Moke, the owner of which I know well. Anyone attending Mini Meet Wests in recent years would have seen it.  It's perennially the fastest
on the autocross course.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-11/

Here's a video of Rob on the autocross course at the 2015 MMW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwaB2VO1HNk

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 03, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
I think the Aussie Moke will be affected by the bidding on this UK Moke, someone may get a bargain if there is such a thing on BaT.

No bargain to be had on the 91 lhd Mini, it sold for $21,500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 03, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: BruceK on June 03, 2021, 11:21:22 AM
And now another red & black Mk I Cooper S is on BaT.    Should do better than the last one.

I can't believe they took all those photos and didn't notice that the hood was open.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-9/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1621870218565ef66e7dff9f981965_austin_mini_cooper_s_16218702178495d565ef60d8ba6d4-2195-4251-a73a-50d7e1c68456-nbKTcW-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

The owner stated the front wing was replaced during restoration, judging by the condition of the radiator inner wing shroud it took quite a hit.
I wonder why he never repaired it correctly the car looks way too nice to have this staring at you when you open the bonnet.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on June 05, 2021, 09:24:53 AM
The tach on the Moke is a bit flakey. This is quite normal for Smiths tachs and remedied by cleaning the electrical contacts.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 07, 2021, 01:01:38 PM
Well the Cooper S and the UK S engined Moke are both bid to $27,500 and both with 3 days to go.
As much as i like the Moke the S should win out on this one plus its a lot more practical and appeals to a wider audience although the Moke has had more views.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 07, 2021, 07:51:19 PM
This Mini is more. 

More than a regular Mini, it's an Innocenti. 

More than VTEC-equipped, it is a VTEC turbo.

More than front wheel drive, it's AWD.

And it's got some truly crazy engine cooling going on.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-mini-innocenti-cooper/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1974_mini_innocenti_cooper_1623005038cb225e2589d7890B2A697-73A9-47A6-A5BE-111764F9BC06.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1974_mini_innocenti_cooper_16197404886a72887f295080C0CD850-CCC1-4BEE-AD7D-95D3A87B0899-scaled.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C465)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on June 08, 2021, 12:01:43 PM
Is that the exhaust coming out the side in front?  That's got to smell lovely with windows down
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 08, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on June 08, 2021, 12:01:43 PM
Is that the exhaust coming out the side in front?  That's got to smell lovely with windows down

Yeah that is a real half-assed way to deal with that.

I've only ever seen one other vehicle where the exhaust exited out the front - that was on an old airport fuel truck and I'm sure the idea was to keep the exhaust away from the fuel dispensing end of the vehicle for safety purposes. 

But on this car it just is plain stupid.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on June 08, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
It's going to heat that tire up too.  Exhaust gets pretty damn hot at rpms.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on June 08, 2021, 01:43:04 PM
It would last about 10 minutes on the roads around here before it got ripped completely off. Not to mention it just looks stupid.

It's impossible to know without all the details of the build, but it looks unbalanced left to right as well. I wonder if it handles significantly different around RH vs LH turns.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on June 08, 2021, 04:40:04 PM
Well the center hump is full of driveshaft.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 09, 2021, 09:50:01 AM
On the Minitec AWD build they put the silencer under the rear seat with a side exit.
This sellers build with the extra HP required a larger driveshaft so he claimed there was no room for the exhaust, like the rest of the build as chopped up as it is it doesn't look like it was thought through.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 10, 2021, 01:07:12 PM
The Burgandy UK Moke sold for $50,500, its going to Houston Texas.

The red/black S was RNM at $44,000. Based on the selling price of the not so nice S last week at $35k this should have bought $50k imo.

The long time owned white Aussie Moke sold for $18k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 10, 2021, 01:17:21 PM
Well, based on the price paid for that Moke, the S would have been a good buy at $44K....

BUT.....

Are these prices insane or what? When that green perfectly restored one brought what $40K a while ago I thought that was pretty ridiculous, but this much for a non original?

My friend Clancy is getting ready to list his Moke on BaT, he says he'd even deliver it for $40K! At first I thought he was joking, but now I'm not so sure.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on June 10, 2021, 01:48:28 PM
The green moke you referring to resold earlier this year for 50k on BAT. feeling better all the time about mine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 10, 2021, 02:42:15 PM
No the one Marinlands sold, wasn't it for $40K?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on June 10, 2021, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 10, 2021, 02:42:15 PM
No the one Marinlands sold, wasn't it for $40K?

Yes, he got 40 k for it. The buyer kept it for 2 years then sold it on BAT earlier this year for 50K after putting 500 miles on it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 10, 2021, 04:34:30 PM
Oh, that's right.....I wonder if these guys are thinking they can do the same? 25% profit in 2 years is a fairly good ROI.

Would you sell yours if you could get $50K for it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on June 10, 2021, 05:07:06 PM
I would, but only after putting some fun miles on it.

I am looking into another English moke that was for sale a year ago up in the Georgia mountains to see if it's still available.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 10, 2021, 05:24:41 PM
Well, so much for the idea of trying to find another Moke.  With Moke prices going like that on BaT, it is going to become near impossible to find something affordable.

I already know chances of getting my white one back are nill.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 10, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
So basically Mokes are becoming the new Fiat Jolly's? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 10, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
Mokes are fetching crazy money lately. The UK Mokes bring the most with the Aussie and Portuguese ones lagging behind.
IMO the Aussie and Portuguese ones drive the best, the UK ones if original with metal seats and an 850 for power not so much, but they can still be a lot of fun as I witnessed with Mark Caldwell chasing me down a mountain in TN.
I drive my Moke the most of all my classics maybe the climate helps but I don't mind driving it in 30 and 40 degree weather and I also pull a pop up lightweight tent camper with it.
I thought the BaT Moke would do $40k plus with the engine it had but as with any auction all it takes is two bidders with some disposable income.
Mark Caldwells $40k/$50k restored original Moke to me was a better buy/investment than the one that just sold imo and I believe you would have a better chance of a roi.
They are definitely money in the bank currently and with 6000 views  BaT is the place to sell a moke or any Mini right now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tsumini on June 10, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
Getting reaady to sell the Austin mini 850. How do you think it will do on BAT? Have to gather info and photos.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 15, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
That green Innocenti with the VTEC and AWD was reserve not met at $20,000.

Nicely illustrates that the little details are indeed important, and if they are neglected then the value suffers.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
The other point of view is that that's all the money for a cobbled up mess like that.

There was a guy complaining on FB that his TR6 didn't bring his reserve on BaT, like somehow he was owed a better deal than he was offered. His car was nicely built, but modified considerably and not to the taste of what most TR6 buyers want - yet he thought it was worth $35k or more, cause that's what he had in it....when most TR6's bring in the high teens or so.....

His car might be worth that to someone, but he didn't find them on BaT that week.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on June 15, 2021, 03:16:45 PM
Generally speaking, when it comes to car restoration/modification, you rarely get back out of it what you put into it unless you just happen catch the timing just right and do most of the work yourself.

Buy/fix what you like and enjoy, that way it doesn't sting so much when you sell it for a loss LOL
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on June 15, 2021, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: cstudep on June 15, 2021, 03:16:45 PM
Buy/fix what you like and enjoy, that way it doesn't sting so much when you sell it for a loss LOL

That has been my general approach to most of the Minis I have owned.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 15, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
Another way to look at it is why are you building your car for someone else? Build it, enjoy it, keep it, drive it.

If you get your enjoyment from the build......OK. Then whatever you get from the sale you're good.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 15, 2021, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: tsumini on June 10, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
Getting reaady to sell the Austin mini 850. How do you think it will do on BAT? Have to gather info and photos.

MK I's generally do well especially if they are already CA registered.

The AWD Vtec I think did all the money, I sure would not have wanted it at any price.
Also to mess up an Innocenti like that is a sin and what was that vin number all about?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 01, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
A Mini Countryman is now on BaT.  Wonder if the lackluster color will hurt it?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-austin-mini-countryman-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/1626028065dff9f98764da17.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
A late-model Mini Cooper is now on BaT and... surprisingly it's not from Japan.  It's from the UK.    And it's been in Canada for a while.  Two red flags locations for rust issues. But rust has said to have been fixed.  Wonder how it will do at auction?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-rover-mini-cooper/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1995_rover_mini_cooper_1630610700f6b34c9898P1012568.jpg?fit=940%2C626)






Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
Looks strangely familiar.....   ;D

Nice that Canada let him keep it in country by just paying the taxes and fees. In the US it would have been crushed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2021, 12:32:26 PM
The green woody sold for $18K.  That's a pretty low price for a rarer Mini model.

The Cooper from Scotland is at only $10K with less than 30 min to go.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 13, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
$14,750 now....still, cheap for a nice 1.3 Mini

Last second bit to $15,500....wonder why people do that when there's an automatic 2 minute reset?

2 guys going at it - $17,500 now.

$19,500

Sold for $20K
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 15, 2021, 08:25:55 PM
Seems like all the money to me at $25,260 Canadian.
He did well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 16, 2021, 07:08:24 AM
Yeah, I thought so too......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 21, 2021, 07:01:57 AM
67 red/black S on BaT.
Nice shape it will do well.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on September 28, 2021, 07:38:42 PM
The red/black S sold for $38,500.
Nice car with minimal previous rust repair and LHD, I thought it should have done $40k but $38,500 is pretty close.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 08, 2021, 01:03:03 PM
Black 998 LHD Mini on BaT sold for $13,500......decent deal for that car I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 10, 2021, 02:28:44 PM
I thought it was enough money too with rust issues, old tires, and a big area of the gearbox case covered in what looked like JB weld which the owner never did answer to.
I am betting someone is going to have buyers remorse.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 16, 2021, 10:04:54 PM
1989 Mini 30 for sale on BaT.
Its an automatic with only 15k verifiable miles and in really nice shape.
I am wondering how much the auto will affect the bidding.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
A pretty ratty Mk I Cooper S has popped up on BaT.  Needs a lot.  But at no reserve.

Still, being a Mk I and apparently a genuine S, it will definitely find a home for some serious money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1634663251c448354c29db20210914_105033.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 21, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT, for 60 years this one has escaped being turned into something else and remains a humble 850. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-deluxe/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1961_morris_minor_16347439804db35ac312fe20211019_130857.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 21, 2021, 06:34:15 PM
And yet they wouldn't take Michael's car......  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 21, 2021, 09:10:02 PM
The low mileage Mini 30 automatic was a no sale at $13,000.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 21, 2021, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 21, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT, for 60 years this one has escaped being turned into something else and remains a humble 850. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-deluxe/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1961_morris_minor_16347439804db35ac312fe20211019_130857.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
The S could be made into a survivor as there is not any real top rust just underneath with the sub frame and battery box needing replacement.
The hydro could be expensive to fix but supposedly the engine is re built onto a Cooper 3 synchro gearbox.
The front seats have Karobes bucket seat look alike seat covers which date back to the 70's so should be in good shape.
Its a project but not the worse I have seen.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 22, 2021, 07:13:53 AM
Just for "giggles", I used BaT's own 'Origin' categories to see how many cars were from (built) where:

Total auctions:       511
American:             154
British:                   59
French:                    1
German:               191
Italian:                   27
Japanese:               72
Spanish:                  0
Swedish:                  4
Other:                      3

Porsche is dominating the German category with 84 cars listed.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 22, 2021, 08:12:44 AM
Is that just for one week?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 22, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
No, that was just for the active auctions this morning!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 22, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT now.   But this time it's an estate.

Looks similar to Craig's newest Mini!

And...  how nice to see it resides in Weed, California.  Heh, heh.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-traveller/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_morris_traveller_16348595752a6c81f16B1B9CE-17BD-43DB-B0DC-D2F408D9775D.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 22, 2021, 02:22:36 PM
Maybe that's why they didn't take Michael's? Too may already in the pipeline? Still......they could have just said so.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 27, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 20, 2021, 03:09:42 PM
A pretty ratty Mk I Cooper S has popped up on BaT.  Needs a lot.  But at no reserve.

Still, being a Mk I and apparently a genuine S, it will definitely find a home for some serious money.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1965_austin_mini_cooper_s_1634663251c448354c29db20210914_105033.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $22K.    Mk I  plus Cooper S premiums in full effect.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 29, 2021, 06:09:51 PM
A not-modified Moke on BaT.   Sure to bring some big bucks.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-5/



(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1966_austin_mini_moke_1634920401a1c7421bb9d71f2IMG_4642.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 29, 2021, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 22, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT now.   But this time it's an estate.

Looks similar to Craig's newest Mini!

And...  how nice to see it resides in Weed, California.  Heh, heh.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-traveller/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_morris_traveller_16348595752a6c81f16B1B9CE-17BD-43DB-B0DC-D2F408D9775D.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $22,501.   Fair?  Or under-valuabled?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 30, 2021, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 29, 2021, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 22, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT now.   But this time it's an estate.

Looks similar to Craig's newest Mini!

And...  how nice to see it resides in Weed, California.  Heh, heh.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-traveller/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_morris_traveller_16348595752a6c81f16B1B9CE-17BD-43DB-B0DC-D2F408D9775D.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $22,501.   Fair?  Or under-valuabled?

Fair price imo, buyer must be pleased as reserve was met at $13k.

The white S is going to Ireland, probably a lot less rust than what is available over there.

The red 61 850 sold for $23,750 US and is staying in Canada, considering he is a Canadian seller that is good money around $29,450 Canadian.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 03, 2021, 08:48:50 AM
A Mk I Mini just popped up on BaT.   Seems to be Matoon B, a color not seen much any more on Minis these days.   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mini-mk-i-3/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_mini_mk_i_1635381916d3ae3d9120210915_174345-1.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 03, 2021, 09:34:23 AM
Matoon B?

Looks like black eye purple used on new MINIs
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 03, 2021, 04:37:24 PM
What is it with people thinking red is an accent color for maroon.  My car was the same way.  The list picture looks purple, but some of the other pics and the description says maroon. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 06, 2021, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 29, 2021, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 22, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Another Mk I Mini is on BaT now.   But this time it's an estate.

Looks similar to Craig's newest Mini!

And...  how nice to see it resides in Weed, California.  Heh, heh.   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-morris-mini-traveller/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_morris_traveller_16348595752a6c81f16B1B9CE-17BD-43DB-B0DC-D2F408D9775D.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $22,501.   Fair?  Or under-valuabled?

It did not disappoint and sold for a healthy $36k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 07, 2021, 07:46:35 AM
Yowsers!   So it's not just gasoline and food and housing that is going up. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 07, 2021, 07:50:58 AM
OK, that was confusing.....it was the Moke that sold for $36K, not the little white wagon.  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 07, 2021, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 07, 2021, 07:50:58 AM
OK, that was confusing.....it was the Moke that sold for $36K, not the little white wagon.  8.gif

Oops !!!! Yes it was the Moke I guess I hit the wrong quote button.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 03, 2021, 08:48:50 AM
A Mk I Mini just popped up on BaT.   Seems to be Matoon B, a color not seen much any more on Minis these days.   

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mini-mk-i-3/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1966_mini_mk_i_1635381916d3ae3d9120210915_174345-1.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Result was Reserve not Met at &18,500.    I can understand why the Reserve would greater for a Mk I.   Maybe it was $20K - $22K? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
Maybe the color killed it?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2021, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 10, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
Maybe the color killed it?

Yeah, I guess it's not for everyone. But at least it was not another red mini with the white roof.  Something different.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 10, 2021, 04:40:14 PM
A Moke from Oz is on BaT.   Wonder how it will do compared to an English one?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-leyland-moke-californian/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1971_leyland_moke_californian_163597428296f23bfe1971_leyland_moke_californian_1634871079cd208492e425857-d7ea-4c86-bc11-f1728d7f06bc-4dT2aj.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 10, 2021, 05:23:38 PM
I like the Oz Mokes, I think the larger wheels work fine with the look.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 10, 2021, 11:52:01 PM
I agree the burgandy colour was a put off, amazing he has driven it 13,000 miles with the 4 sub frame tower bolts missing.
I have owned UK Mokes, Australian and a Portuguese one and the Aussie ones with their slightly longer wheelbase and tall 13 inch tyres are my favourite.
My last Aussie Moke would do 80 mph at 4k revs with 185 60 13's GPS verified.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 15, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
New Mini on BaT.  A JDM one that's missing bumpers and has a roofrack and a 998.  Can't see this one going too high.  Maybe $10k - $11K?

Edit: the import paperwork shows the purchase price was under $2800 (!).  So either the buyer got a real bargain, or maybe the importer lied to the feds and falsified the customs paperwork.   In either case, some mental gymnastics are needed to justify a 300% or more increase over that for bidding.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-cooper-3




(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1990_rover_mini_cooper_163649030648151c9out-29.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 15, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
Interesting front air dam


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 15, 2021, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 15, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
Interesting front air dam

Interesting?  You could be a diplomat! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2021, 08:29:31 AM
Yeah, didn't say I liked it......   ;D

If you all remember Buzz had a big ol black tongue sticking down in front too, which I immediately binned.

It's funny how unfinished the rear looks with the lip there and no bumper.

And what's with people spelling it bumber now? I see that all over the interwebz these days...it's not like the p and the b are right next to each other on the keyboard or sumthin......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on November 16, 2021, 08:38:51 AM
Seems to have some interesting modifications, but has avoided basic maintenance.  Weber carb and cross drilled brakes, but the rubber boots on the steering rack are split and rear cones look like they are on there was out.

On photo 102, I can't decide if that is bad filler or they painted over some left over insulation. 

Ultimately I would be reluctant to buy it as the VIN number is not accurately represented on the paper work, but a lot of minis have that issue. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 16, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
One of the brake rotors is badly scored, either it's down to the metal on the pad or they stuck in a new set and didn't bother to machine the rotor......any way you cut it it will need brake work too.

The best thing I can say about it is that it doesn't seem rusted, and the body looks original, but the resell red respray didn't do it any favors, with over spray everywhere and lots of Edd China's satin black on everything else. This is definitely a "spritz and flip" car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: vizcat on November 19, 2021, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 16, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
One of the brake rotors is badly scored, either it's down to the metal on the pad or they stuck in a new set and didn't bother to machine the rotor......any way you cut it it will need brake work too.

The best thing I can say about it is that it doesn't seem rusted, and the body looks original, but the resell red respray didn't do it any favors, with over spray everywhere and lots of Edd China's satin black on everything else. This is definitely a "spritz and flip" car.

Resell Red is right! I had to adjust the saturation of red on my monitor so that I could try and look at the paintwork without going blind.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 19, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
It's palindrome time: racecar!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1967_austin_mini_1636500334016870f554ff1ce20211006_152605.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 20, 2021, 12:09:25 AM
That S race car with the funky vin number looks very well built and prepared.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 21, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
A Cooper S from Oz is now on BaT.   I'm not familiar with all of the unique features of the Australian Minis, I'm sure someone will chime in with comments if things aren't right. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-australian-built-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1965_morris_australian_built_cooper_s_1637016578c2e78933IMG_7344.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 21, 2021, 09:20:00 PM
Well, thanks to exposure to Mark's Saucy Aussie there were a couple of things I thought looked wrong - there are no hoses going from the rear fittings to the hydro units to charge them, and it looks like it might have coil springs instead  - but it's hard to tell from these pics.

Also, it doesn't seem to have the depressions where the wiper arm holes are in the scuttle.

Mark will have to chime in on the door handles too....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 22, 2021, 08:26:10 AM
The rears are definitely coil springs. 

I would think the fronts are effectively "rigid" since they are not interconnected and the fluid has nowhere to move.

There is also almost no space between the rear coils while the car is in the air for the pictures.  I would think it almost certainly encounters coil binding while being driven.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 22, 2021, 08:53:50 AM
Fronts are the same as the rears....there are no hoses going to either, in the rear you can see the fittings to charge the system but there aren't any hoses attached to the fittings, like they've been cut off.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on November 22, 2021, 09:53:52 AM
You are right, the fronts appear to also be coils.

I was mislead by the hoses running from the breathers to the fenders and the light greenish tubes/pipes under the car running from the fittings at the rear to the front of the car.

Those hoses from the engine breathers should be going to a "gulp valve" and on to the carbs.  Instead, they appear to be going to the fenders for atmosphere venting?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 22, 2021, 09:57:17 AM
Yep, looks that way to me, tho I don't remember Minis of this era having the gulp valves, only Sprites and Midgets - and only from 68 on.....but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 22, 2021, 03:05:09 PM
My first Mini, a 66 S had the gulp valve.
The car was delivered in California if that makes a difference.
When I got it in 72, I had to have it smog checked which basically meant removing the valve cover cap and see if the idle went up(maybe down?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on November 22, 2021, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 15, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
New Mini on BaT.  A JDM one that's missing bumpers and has a roofrack and a 998.  Can't see this one going too high.  Maybe $10k - $11K?

Edit: the import paperwork shows the purchase price was under $2800 (!).  So either the buyer got a real bargain, or maybe the importer lied to the feds and falsified the customs paperwork.   In either case, some mental gymnastics are needed to justify a 300% or more increase over that for bidding.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-cooper-3




(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1990_rover_mini_cooper_163649030648151c9out-29.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

You were right on your estimate - $10900
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 22, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
Lucky guess! 


Here's another JDM Mini just listed on BaT.   I've never heard of anyone calling it a "four-speed" model. Thanks

How is it this highly non-original car (which is frankly not that impressive) was acceptable for BaT and Michael's car was not? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1993_rover_mini_16370122408241bd96d2Richard-Cheung-Mini-JPEG-2650px-DSC06451.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on November 22, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
It does have a Cooper badge and LED headlights.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on November 22, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
Yes, it appears to have always been missing the wiper indentations from the resto photos.  Other is is the under body tray is missing. 

The 65-68 Aussie floors are unique. Found that out when dan was trying to line up a patch and nothing seemed to line up. 

Now the boot lid indentation is correct along with the door handles and the two holes in the drip rail at all 4 sides.

So maybe a previous owner didn't bother to source patch parts from oz and just put the uk ones on.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 22, 2021, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 22, 2021, 04:48:38 PM

Here's another JDM Mini just listed on BaT.   I've never heard of anyone calling it a "four-speed" model. Thanks

How is it this highly non-original car (which is frankly not that impressive) was acceptable for BaT and Michael's car was not? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1993_rover_mini_16370122408241bd96d2Richard-Cheung-Mini-JPEG-2650px-DSC06451.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Steveston Motor are good guys, if that's their car - they do some really terrific Mini work up there in Canukistan.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 22, 2021, 08:50:45 PM
What are your thoughts on the Aussie S non vented sills?
Are they original or of course may have been replaced but I see a patch on the one side.
Just for the fact that an Aussie S has roll up and vent windows it would be my choice over a Brit S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 23, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on November 22, 2021, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 22, 2021, 04:48:38 PM

Here's another JDM Mini just listed on BaT.   I've never heard of anyone calling it a "four-speed" model. Thanks

How is it this highly non-original car (which is frankly not that impressive) was acceptable for BaT and Michael's car was not? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1993_rover_mini_16370122408241bd96d2Richard-Cheung-Mini-JPEG-2650px-DSC06451.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Steveston Motor are good guys, if that's their car - they do some really terrific Mini work up there in Canukistan.....

Looking at the video in the listing for brakes they used 7.5" S brakes with a clutch master that comes with a .75 bore, no proportioning valve, 1/2" wheel cylinders and Mintex shoes and pads.
A weird combination but he says it works well but I think I would prefer a dual split system from a safety aspect.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 23, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
And... yet another Mini has popped up on BaT.   It's a Clublman with the boring combo of a 998 and a slushbox.

Got a feeling someone's gonna buy it for a VTEC swap.  Then again, with the auto it's the perfect car for a non-Mini person to get a Mini.  But the Clubman front end hurts the cute factor.

My guess is that it will be bid to around $10K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mini-4/



(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1979_austin_mini_1636397874dd0b97e4592594DE4D-7409-4787-956C-2598A615E676_1_105_c.jpeg?fit=814%2C543)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 23, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
The color and RHD aren't doing it any favors either, I'll be surprised if it goes over $8K, but Bruce seems to have the vision on these prices!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 23, 2021, 05:56:11 PM
A lot of these earlier automatics seem to have been owned by older people and have been used sparingly with low miles.
The top side of this car looks a lot better than the peeling paint on the bottom of the car but it does not look like a rust bucket.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 26, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 10, 2021, 04:40:14 PM
A Moke from Oz is on BaT.   Wonder how it will do compared to an English one?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-leyland-moke-californian/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1971_leyland_moke_californian_163597428296f23bfe1971_leyland_moke_californian_1634871079cd208492e425857-d7ea-4c86-bc11-f1728d7f06bc-4dT2aj.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Blue Aussie Moke sold for $18k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 26, 2021, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 19, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
It's palindrome time: racecar!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1967_austin_mini_1636500334016870f554ff1ce20211006_152605.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Sold for $32k.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 29, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 21, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
A Cooper S from Oz is now on BaT.   I'm not familiar with all of the unique features of the Australian Minis, I'm sure someone will chime in with comments if things aren't right. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-australian-built-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1965_morris_australian_built_cooper_s_1637016578c2e78933IMG_7344.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $37,250. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on November 29, 2021, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 29, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Sold for $37,250.

Looks like it was RNM at 37,250.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 30, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: cstudep on November 29, 2021, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 29, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Sold for $37,250.

Looks like it was RNM at 37,250.

Thanks for the correction. I wonder what the reserve was?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on November 30, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: BruceK on November 30, 2021, 09:00:55 AM
Quote from: cstudep on November 29, 2021, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 29, 2021, 06:59:07 PM
Sold for $37,250.

Looks like it was RNM at 37,250.

Thanks for the correction. I wonder what the reserve was?

I'd have guessed that it was close to that price but who knows. You would think if it had been anywhere at or below 38,500 they would have lowered the reserve  since the bidding got so close? So I would assume it was maybe 40,000 or more? They mentioned it was still available so that makes me think the reserve must have been pretty high if one of the higher bidders and the seller have not brokered a "deal" by now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on November 30, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
The comment about the car still being available was made by the seller 15 minutes after the auction ended.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 30, 2021, 06:35:07 PM


And the hits keep coming.  Yet another, another Mini is on BaT.   This is one is a repeat offender, having sold previously on BaT for $15k.  Which is just crazy for a 998 car no matter that it has the big wheels favored by those folks who are just getting into Minis.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1521090667f7dc62cecf00ea22Screen-Shot-2018-03-14-at-10.10.42-PM.png?fit=940%2C687)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 30, 2021, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 22, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
Lucky guess! 


Here's another JDM Mini just listed on BaT.   I've never heard of anyone calling it a "four-speed" model. Thanks

How is it this highly non-original car (which is frankly not that impressive) was acceptable for BaT and Michael's car was not? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1993_rover_mini_16370122408241bd96d2Richard-Cheung-Mini-JPEG-2650px-DSC06451.jpg?fit=940%2C626)


Sold for $16,301.  Which I think was too high for what it was. Can't get past ripping out dual circuit brake system and installing a less-safe single circuit system.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on November 30, 2021, 11:26:32 PM
Silly money for a bitsa Mini with previous badly repaired accident damage and a less than desirable brake system especially when you consider $16301 USD is $20,702 Canadian.

I thought the Aussie S bought enough money at $37,250 and should have sold for that price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 01, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
Yet another, another, another Mini has emerged on BaT.    This one is a Mk I Cooper, but not a S.  Said to have started life as a 997 Cooper.  I thought all non-S Coopers were the 998 variety by 1964, but I have not looked that up. In any case it's a 1300 now.  And the original owner was said to have owned it for well over 50 years, which is pretty amazing.  It's black over white which of course is the best Mini color combo.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617217e7dff9f98764da1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617216e7dff9f98764daadf5bab9-feb5-4ac3-bf8a-81e4aff61b11-19Gvob-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 01, 2021, 07:00:33 PM
They're coming out of the woodwork! Still can't understand why they rejected Michael's, but oh well.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 01, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
with the prices they have been bringing lately I am not all that surprised I guess. If a guy/gal was even considering getting rid of one it sure looks like now would be the time to try to off load it.

I am with you though, no idea why they wouldn't take Michael's.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 01, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 01, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
Yet another, another, another Mini has emerged on BaT.    This one is a Mk I Cooper, but not a S.  Said to have started life as a 997 Cooper.  I thought all non-S Coopers were the 998 variety by 1964, but I have not looked that up. In any case it's a 1300 now.  And the original owner was said to have owned it for well over 50 years, which is pretty amazing.  It's black over white which of course is the best Mini color combo.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617217e7dff9f98764da1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617216e7dff9f98764daadf5bab9-feb5-4ac3-bf8a-81e4aff61b11-19Gvob-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Its a January 63 build so it would have been a 997, it was probably sold and registered in 64.
It sold for $23k in 2018 and should beat that price now with the bidding already at $13k.
The big negative with this Cooper is it is still using the small 7 inch Cooper brakes, it definitely needs the 7.5 inch S brakes upgrade.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 01, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 23, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
And... yet another Mini has popped up on BaT.   It's a Clublman with the boring combo of a 998 and a slushbox.

Got a feeling someone's gonna buy it for a VTEC swap.  Then again, with the auto it's the perfect car for a non-Mini person to get a Mini.  But the Clubman front end hurts the cute factor.

My guess is that it will be bid to around $10K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mini-4/



(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1979_austin_mini_1636397874dd0b97e4592594DE4D-7409-4787-956C-2598A615E676_1_105_c.jpeg?fit=814%2C543)

Sold for $8,700. A cheap way to get into Mini ownership.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 03, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
What!? Has BaT run out of Porsches to auction?  Or have they found a rich vein of Minis to be sold?  In any case, there are so many Minis that have come through in the last month and now there's another.

This one will be of particular interest to Dave and Dan.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-mini-innocenti-mini-1001/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1973_mini_innocenti-mini-1001_1973_mini_innocenti_mini_1001_1636491291fcd208be43f05d-74f2-4b35-9481-a17b13c1076d-pala7X.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 03, 2021, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 03, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
What!? Has BaT run out of Porsches to auction?  Or have they found a rich vein of Minis to be sold?  In any case, there are so many Minis that have come through in the last month and now there's another.


Nah, they still have 65 Porsches currently listed.

The recent spate of Minis was the excuse they gave when they finally responded to my request for more details on why mine was rejected - saying they had received too many submissions of Minis.  It only took them a little over a month to respond to that request.

Note: They currently have a whopping 3 Classic Minis and 2 New MINIs currently listed.

(Would you guys agree I am a bit disillusioned by BaT?)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 07, 2021, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on November 30, 2021, 06:35:07 PM


And the hits keep coming.  Yet another, another Mini is on BaT.   This is one is a repeat offender, having sold previously on BaT for $15k.  Which is just crazy for a 998 car no matter that it has the big wheels favored by those folks who are just getting into Minis.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-6/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1521090667f7dc62cecf00ea22Screen-Shot-2018-03-14-at-10.10.42-PM.png?fit=940%2C687)

Sold again for $15,000.  Wow. Lotsa bucks for a 998 IMO. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 07, 2021, 03:50:27 PM
Is that the one that had a trailer last time, same body color?

Edit: No, that was a different car - the guy that bought it bumped it from $10K to $15K in one go, pretty much killed any further bidding.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 07, 2021, 05:00:55 PM
Yeah. It's another one.

This one is a late model JDM Mini with a 1275 and it's been converted to 10" wheels.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1994_rover_mini_DSCN2281.jpg?fit=940%2C626)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 08, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
BaT keeps churning out auctions for Minis.  Time for an English Moke.

Almost guaranteed to bring big bucks.  I'm thinking at least mid-30s. Perhaps $40K?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1967_morris_mini-moke_c2017-leftfront2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 08, 2021, 12:51:12 PM
I think mid 30's to early 40's too, this is a nice one and looks good too.

Does that look like it might be at Mike Malamut's place?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 08, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
The main floors of that Moke are replacement flat steel.  The welds are also rather "meaty" and not smoothed down.  They had to fabricate some mounts for the rear ears of the front subframe to mount to as the cross-member arrangement is missing due to the replacement floors.

They also put a later model dash parcel shelf on just the left hand side.

The rails on the tops of the pontoons for securing the bottoms of the side curtains are also not normal.

The rear seat is also a replacement as a 1967 UK Moke should have 4 of the metal "bucket" seats - not a rear bench seat.

The rear yellow turn signal lenses are not correct - not sure what those are from.

It will likely go for serious money just because it is a Moke even with the above issues.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 09, 2021, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 01, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
Yet another, another, another Mini has emerged on BaT.    This one is a Mk I Cooper, but not a S.  Said to have started life as a 997 Cooper.  I thought all non-S Coopers were the 998 variety by 1964, but I have not looked that up. In any case it's a 1300 now.  And the original owner was said to have owned it for well over 50 years, which is pretty amazing.  It's black over white which of course is the best Mini color combo.  ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-austin-mini-cooper-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617217e7dff9f98764da1964_austin_mini_cooper_1635617216e7dff9f98764daadf5bab9-feb5-4ac3-bf8a-81e4aff61b11-19Gvob-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


This not-a-Cooper-S sold for $34,000.  Quite a lot for what it is IMO.  I mean it's a Mk I and a born a 997 Cooper and all, but wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 09, 2021, 02:07:26 PM
The red and black 998 Innocenti hasn't even broken $5K yet with just a day left in the auction. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Scargo on December 10, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
I would venture to say that with the educated and keen observations and comments made on BaT by Hugh Cannon, this Moke may not bring the high dollars usually seen by UK Mokes on BaT, unless it goes to some clueless high-roller who doesn't know Mokes and doesn't care about originality.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 10, 2021, 05:52:48 PM
The red Innocenti Mini 1001 with the 998 sold for $14,500.  Fair price for that car I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 11, 2021, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 10, 2021, 05:52:48 PM
The red Innocenti Mini 1001 with the 998 sold for $14,500.  Fair price for that car I think.

There is an interesting comment from the Seller after the auction ended.  BaT contributed $500 to make the sale??

Quote

The end was an rollercoaster. Thought It was below reserve and was kind of excited to keep the car. Then it listed as sold. Emotional whiplash! FYI reserve was 15k and BaT made up the difference.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 11, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Yes, when listing a car on BaT the "Terms of Use" indicate they reserve the right to do just that.  I have not heard of it happening much before.

It probably surprised the seller as most sellers probably skim over the terms and miss that clause.  It goes closely in hand with the other "feature" in the terms permitting them to ask about forwarding the high bidder's information in cases of RNM to give the option of a 'second chance' deal after the end of the auction.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 11, 2021, 08:12:31 PM
Does the second chance deal require the buyer to pay the fee to BaT?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 11, 2021, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 11, 2021, 08:12:31 PM
Does the second chance deal require the buyer to pay the fee to BaT?

I do not recall anything in the terms indicating anything about fees for the option.  It is a "courtesy" thing they offer if the auction goes RNM to allow the seller and high bidder to potentially work something out privately after the auction has completed.  I think it is an optional feature and both parties have to agree to it.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2021, 03:41:31 PM
New Mini pops up on BaT.  And this one is not from Japan!   :-\

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-8/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1992_rover_mini_1992_Mini_British_Open_Classic-28.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 14, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 07, 2021, 05:00:55 PM
Yeah. It's another one.

This one is a late model JDM Mini with a 1275 and it's been converted to 10" wheels.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1994_rover_mini_DSCN2281.jpg?fit=940%2C626)


This car sold for $13,500.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 15, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 14, 2021, 03:41:31 PM
New Mini pops up on BaT.  And this one is not from Japan!   :-\

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-8/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1992_rover_mini_1992_Mini_British_Open_Classic-28.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

British Open Classic is very popular in the UK.  Be interesting to see what this goes for as it looks like a clean version.  The seller commented he bought the mini from Richard Williams in the UK, which is who I bought my Mayfair from.  If you have a quick look at his website you will see he deals in great examples of classic minis.  And if any of you follow Alex Toon on youtube, Richard Williams is where he bought all of his minis. 

A comment from the seller which caught my eye, was the additional driving lights not being wired in. My mini came with additional driving lights and were not wired in. I queried it when I bought, and Richard told me that he just adds them for aesthetic reasons and then it is up to the buyer to keep them or not. 

I am looking forward to seeing how much it goes for, as it is a very similar era to mine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 15, 2021, 02:46:11 PM
I've noticed that too, many people just want the look and don't care about the function....same with those giant reverse spotlights attached to the boot lit.....

A guy on FB Marketplace has a LHD, air conditioned, carbureted 998 that doesn't run, has a ton of rust and he wants $12K for it. He got very upset which I suggested his price was optimistic.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 15, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 08, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
BaT keeps churning out auctions for Minis.  Time for an English Moke.

Almost guaranteed to bring big bucks.  I'm thinking at least mid-30s. Perhaps $40K?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-morris-mini-moke-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1967_morris_mini-moke_c2017-leftfront2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Sold for $36,250 a lot of money for an 850 UK Moke with flat steel used for the floors and pontoons and lots of fresh undercoating plus poorly welded at that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 15, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
Optimistic is an understatement he is dreaming.
BTW Dave I think you've been hacked on fb.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 15, 2021, 04:00:32 PM
Yes, I've heard from tons of people about that already.....so tired of this crap on FB, and I do NOT understand why they can't get on top of this shit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: pbraun on December 16, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
big bucks for rather poor Moke.
As to f/b..... I am close to closing my account.  Messenger now hacked twice, if not 3 times - swearing off it........ what a pia.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on December 16, 2021, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: pbraun on December 16, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
As to f/b..... I am close to closing my account.  Messenger now hacked twice, if not 3 times - swearing off it........ what a pia.

What sure you have multi-factor authentication setup and use unique passwords. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 16, 2021, 11:01:57 AM
Your messenger has not been hacked, it's been spoofed....as long as your postings are set to public this can happen.

As Brit says you can set your security measures high enough that no one except those in your circle can see anything you write...

I am also tired of FB and have decided to pull my account. It's too bad as that's how I've found long lost friends and stayed in touch with family, but after a while it just becomes too much trouble to deal with.

This whole internet thing has become a giant PITA, because we can't live without it anymore and trying to use it has become an unwieldy mess.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: drmini on December 16, 2021, 04:12:57 PM
Hard to believe that POS Moke sold for $36,250!  If the buyer was real, I feel sorry for him spending that much money on that!   I'm thinking it was a shill bidder that ended up winning the bid.  Wonder how long before we see it on there again?  Thinking maybe I should throw together a Catalina Island Patches on Patches Moke and see what a real POS Moke would sell for.  I guess there's a fool out there somewhere who'd buy it!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 21, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
That low-mileage Mini Cooper from the UK sold for $20,000.   That's a lot, but is was an unusually nice 1990s car.


Here's another one.  This one is Italian-sourced and for some strange reason it's on Vermont license plates while it has lived in California for years.  Gee.   Wonder why?  ;D   Owned by a dealer, I expect the typical gloss over of any criticism that pops up.

Oh, and there's documentation showing someone spent a shitload of money on this which of course will never be fully reflected in the bids.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1991_mini_cooper-s_ECC_94-MINI-Cooper_Sharplite-2400px-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on December 21, 2021, 08:35:42 PM
This one was on BAT awhile back


https://www.facebook.com/groups/186075668112266/permalink/4654377324615389/?sale_post_id=4654377324615389  (https://www.facebook.com/groups/186075668112266/permalink/4654377324615389/?sale_post_id=4654377324615389)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 21, 2021, 08:40:09 PM
Wow, over $13K to rebuild the motor....

This is a very nice car tho....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 23, 2021, 01:20:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
That low-mileage Mini Cooper from the UK sold for $20,000.   That's a lot, but is was an unusually nice 1990s car.


Here's another one.  This one is Italian-sourced and for some strange reason it's on Vermont license plates while it has lived in California for years.  Gee.   Wonder why?  ;D   Owned by a dealer, I expect the typical gloss over of any criticism that pops up.

Oh, and there's documentation showing someone spent a shitload of money on this which of course will never be fully reflected in the bids.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1991_mini_cooper-s_ECC_94-MINI-Cooper_Sharplite-2400px-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

In the comments one person has researched how much to money to pay to make the Mini California smog compliant:   

"The cost for carbureted is $14,500 for modification, testing, and certification. The cost for fuel injected $12,500."

What a wonderful state.  Somebody should do a calculation and find out how much pollution a Mini makes over it's lifetime compared to 1 acre of an out of control California wildfire as it ravages a town.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 23, 2021, 02:31:00 PM
They've arrested two guys for arson for starting the Caldor fire......and weren't those fires all started on federal lands?

Maybe if someone had raked up all the leaves......

I agree it is a stiff amount to bring those cars into compliance but they have put rules in place, it's just the way it is. One can always buy a pre 1975 car that is exempt.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on December 23, 2021, 03:00:24 PM
I was curious. Turns out a lot more than a mini.

"The 2021 California wildfire season is an ongoing series of wildfires that have burned across the state of California. As of December 16, 2021, a total of 8,619 fires have been recorded, burning 2,569,009 acres (1,039,641 ha) across the state."
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 25, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
A Mini 850 that still has an 850 (and drum brakes) is now on BaT.

Whadda think it will go for?  North or south of $10K?   My guess is about $8K to $9K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mini-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1979_austin_mini_IMG_3851-1.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 25, 2021, 12:29:38 PM
That can't be the original color, can it?

I've given up on trying to figure what they sell for.....since it came over from England and even tho original cars are valued over there, I doubt this one will be going back across the pond for a significant premium....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on December 25, 2021, 02:21:50 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 25, 2021, 12:29:38 PM
That can't be the original color, can it?

The yellow color may be original, but not the black roof.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 25, 2021, 11:29:50 PM
I asked the seller how much to be carb compliant but he never answered me apart from saying they are all different prices, duh I think I already know and expect that.

I understand the CA rules to some extent but the 75 does not roll over which is a shame as the newer Minis run much cleaner.

They had yellow Minis in the late 70's but it was a much nicer lighter shade snapdragon yellow maybe.

EDIT: Brain fart snapdragon yellow is an Aussie Moke colour.
Looking at the BaT pics in detail especially in the engine compartment it does look factory maybe Inca yellow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 29, 2021, 04:03:31 PM
Another JDM Mini is now on BaT.  I like the gray color it's a nice change from what we normally see on Minis.  And the Mk I treatment looks well done.  The air conditioning does not work (shocking, I know!).  And there are some rust issues too, again shocking. My guess is this car may go for the mid-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1994_rover_mini-cooper-s_IMG_1679.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on December 29, 2021, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
That low-mileage Mini Cooper from the UK sold for $20,000.   That's a lot, but is was an unusually nice 1990s car.


Here's another one.  This one is Italian-sourced and for some strange reason it's on Vermont license plates while it has lived in California for years.  Gee.   Wonder why?  ;D   Owned by a dealer, I expect the typical gloss over of any criticism that pops up.

Oh, and there's documentation showing someone spent a shitload of money on this which of course will never be fully reflected in the bids.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1991_mini_cooper-s_ECC_94-MINI-Cooper_Sharplite-2400px-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

HOLY CRAP!  This car sold for $35,000.   :-[  WTF!?   I know we're in a period of very high inflation, but that's Mk I Cooper S territory last time I looked.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 29, 2021, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 29, 2021, 04:09:52 PM

HOLY CRAP!  This car sold for $35,000.   :-[  WTF!?   I know we're in a period of very high inflation, but that's Mk I Cooper S territory last time I looked.

Wow that seems a bit excessive for sure.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on December 29, 2021, 04:47:56 PM
OMG that's a lot of money for that car!!!!!!!!!!!   :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on December 29, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on December 29, 2021, 04:47:56 PM
OMG that's a lot of money for that car!!!!!!!!!!!   :-\

I'm thinking that is one of those auctions a guy wins where he sits back after it's all done and realizes he may have gotten a little caught up in the bidding war.

That's also where the guy who came in 2nd realizes he also got caught up in things but is grateful someone else got the final bid LOL.

Having frequented many auctions over the years, I have been in both of those situations before, but not for anything anywhere near the price of this!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on December 29, 2021, 07:58:55 PM
Crazy money but all it takes is two bidders with excess cash and maybe egos to match.
I posted I am guessing that price was reached due to the money spent on it which was $30k plus, LHD with the servo assisted brakes helps too.
The thing I have noticed about selling cars over the years is that a nice clean interior really helps, this Mini had a Newton interior black seats with red piping and red carpet which imo looked great especially on a black car.
In answer to someone posting this must be the most money ever paid for a 90's Mini someone else posted no it wasn't as one sold at Silverstone for $49k wow !!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 02, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 25, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
A Mini 850 that still has an 850 (and drum brakes) is now on BaT.

Whadda think it will go for?  North or south of $10K?   My guess is about $8K to $9K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-austin-mini-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1979_austin_mini_IMG_3851-1.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


CRAZY.    This rather plain Mini 850 with drum brakes sold for $16,500!      :-\

This is the 2nd Mini in a row on BaT that has basically sold for about twice what it would have gone for just a year ago.  So, two flukes? Or a massive change in the Mini market?

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 02, 2022, 06:02:03 PM
It's not just Minis on BaT either.....I'm wondering when the bubble is going to burst.

I see all kinds of late 80's early 90's run of the mill Minis for sale for $20K or more on all different platforms.....FB ads, ads on TMF and several other places. They're all nuts....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 02, 2022, 06:15:04 PM
IMO the negatives far outweighed the positives on this car, very surprised as I am sure the owner was about the price it reached.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 05, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 29, 2021, 04:03:31 PM
Another JDM Mini is now on BaT.  I like the gray color it's a nice change from what we normally see on Minis.  And the Mk I treatment looks well done.  The air conditioning does not work (shocking, I know!).  And there are some rust issues too, again shocking. My guess is this car may go for the mid-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1994_rover_mini-cooper-s_IMG_1679.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

No reserve and sold for $18,500, the market is still high right now
It went a little higher than I thought it would with the issues it had, coincidentally the seller thought it should have done better.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 11, 2022, 03:19:20 PM
A Mini estate just popped up on BaT.   I'm sure Craig will be following the results of this auction!   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-mini-countryman-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1964_mini_countryman_20220106_113828-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on January 11, 2022, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 11, 2022, 03:19:20 PM
A Mini estate just popped up on BaT.   I'm sure Craig will be following the results of this auction!   ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-mini-countryman-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1964_mini_countryman_20220106_113828-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Not alot of people are fully aware of this:
A factory export spec Countryman with the rare solid red instead of red/amber rear lights.

Used to be able to tell the imports from the originals this way.
We will be watching too
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on January 12, 2022, 07:51:27 AM
Another LWB, this one on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1458498971040131/permalink/3255266248030052/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1458498971040131/permalink/3255266248030052/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 12, 2022, 09:11:03 AM
Love the backwards door handles.....aerodynamic!

Austin America engine/trans etc too, not "original 850" as the seller says.

Clearly the seller does not know what he has - and $26K? Really?   8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 12, 2022, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on January 11, 2022, 07:47:10 PM

Not alot of people are fully aware of this:
A factory export spec Countryman with the rare solid red instead of red/amber rear lights.

Used to be able to tell the imports from the originals this way.
We will be watching too

It was quite common back in the 1970s when the independent Mini parts suppliers started popping up in the US (Mini City, Seven Enterprises, and later on, Mini Mania and others) to purchase the English amber taillight lenses to make your Mini more "authentic" and just ditch the boring red ones.  Same for the amber front turn signal beehive lenses instead of the US market clear ones.  Basically, new sources materialized for the cool stuff that a MG/Triumph dealer (who still supported most Mini parts needs) couldn't provide.

So a Mini with amber lenses does not always mean a personal import, because you know, the art of the personalization of a Mini! 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 13, 2022, 07:24:59 PM
The white Countryman on BaT shows really well and should fetch some decent money.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 18, 2022, 05:11:10 PM
The white Countryman with the 998 sold for $29k.  What do you guys think of that result? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 18, 2022, 07:38:08 PM
A very nice example that has been kept mostly stock and not an old welded up ex rust bucket.
The $29k price is imo high I think around $20k would have been a decent buy for the new owner.
Kudos to the seller he has sold it at the right time as Mini prices along with other classics are crazy right now.
Now in the future will we think $29k was a bargain for that Mini, who knows time will tell.
I do know one thing I learnt many years ago from a guy in the wholesale car business, he said you can't pay enough for a nice car, someone will always pay you profit.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 22, 2022, 06:26:21 PM
BaT is now offering a Mini that's a little bit different: this one has lived its life in the dry climate of Spain so it should be free of rust. And it comes with "free" shipping to the US.

I'm guessing it will go in the upper teens - maybe higher - if the shipping situation doesn't scare potential buyers off.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-mini-cooper-1-3i/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1991_rover_mini-cooper-1.3i_IMG_2247-4.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 22, 2022, 07:35:36 PM
I was surprised to see a 91 with SPi, I didn't think that came out till later?

If it only goes for high teens it's a great buy for a car like you said - rust free - and that doesn't just mean they're not charging for it!   77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 23, 2022, 07:27:06 PM
Yes SPI's are all over the shop, on the other side of the spectrum I have seen a 94 with a carb.
I guess it just depends when they were first registered as that is the way the UK registers vehicles.

This Mini on BaT should do well and i believe it would do a lot better if it was in the US already.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 29, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
An retro-Mk I JDM Mini is now on BaT.   Looks something like Michael's new Mini, but this one has a 998 and may have drum brakes.   To me, the paint seems lighter than Almond Green.

My guess is the Mk I charm will overpower the possible disappointment in a 998 instead of a 1275 and it will be bid into the mid-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-rover-mini-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1989_rover_mini_1989_rover_mini_e0a7cd7d-f427-4cdb-85f3-b70dc0e7bfc1-kr5cRn-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 29, 2022, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 22, 2022, 06:26:21 PM
BaT is now offering a Mini that's a little bit different: this one has lived its life in the dry climate of Spain so it should be free of rust. And it comes with "free" shipping to the US.

I'm guessing it will go in the upper teens - maybe higher - if the shipping situation doesn't scare potential buyers off.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-mini-cooper-1-3i/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/1991_rover_mini-cooper-1.3i_IMG_2247-4.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Just sold for $21K.   So the import process didn't seem to scare everyone off.  A good price for a later model Cooper from a dry climate IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2022, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 29, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
An retro-Mk I JDM Mini is now on BaT.   Looks something like Michael's new Mini, but this one has a 998 and may have drum brakes.   To me, the paint seems lighter than Almond Green.

My guess is the Mk I charm will overpower the possible disappointment in a 998 instead of a 1275 and it will be bid into the mid-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-rover-mini-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1989_rover_mini_1989_rover_mini_e0a7cd7d-f427-4cdb-85f3-b70dc0e7bfc1-kr5cRn-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

I have not looked at the underneath photos but all Minis had disc brakes after 1984, as its running 10's I would think they are converted to 7.5's.
Nice Mini but the interior is red ? and the aftermarket seats look worn.

Edit: I stand  corrected. There is a lot of talk about it indeed having drum brakes fitted but no photos to confirm, I am not sure why anyone would swap to drums from discs but maybe its a misprint.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on January 29, 2022, 06:09:55 PM
I was wondering if it was going to get sold, it stalled in the $12's for a few days and there did not seem to be much action until the last hour which is pretty much the norm.
A nice clean Mini with shipping included so only around $500 to hire a broker and clear customs, someone is going to be happy Mini owner.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on January 30, 2022, 08:17:32 AM
Hey now what's wrong with red interior?  ;D

Not my first choice probably but its what was in mine when I bought it and I have gotten used to it I guess. I think it looks ok, depending on exterior color of course.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on January 30, 2022, 09:32:19 AM
I wonder if people will look past the 998, rust holes in the floor, drum brakes and the terrible front seats and just get sucked in by the Mk1 looks and the colors?

It's a very appealing looking car at first glance, and someone who only intends to drive it to car shows won't really care about that stuff.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on January 31, 2022, 12:14:56 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-leyland-mini-clubman-australian-make/

This was built by the same person who did my Aussie Cooper S. I think he did this one, and then my car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on January 31, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Whee on January 31, 2022, 12:14:56 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-leyland-mini-clubman-australian-make/

This was built by the same person who did my Aussie Cooper S. I think he did this one, and then my car.

They do things differently in Oz, don't they?

A deseamed Clubman with external door hinges - not something you see everyday.  And a different type of Japanese power.  I love the color.


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1966_austin_leyland-mini-clubman-australian-make_DSC_1949.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 03, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
This Mk I Cooper S, with just a few period accessories, and set up to rally,  is sure to generate interest!  And a whole lot of money, too.  Could we see a new record on BaT for a Mini?  I guess we will see....   I suspect a lot of interest will be from the UK.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mini-mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1965_mini_mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar_Mini1-1-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on February 04, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
Already bid to $55K!   :-\

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 04, 2022, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: MPlayle on February 04, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
Already bid to $55K!   :-\

So... no cutesy bids of $1,965 and similar?  ;D   Speaking of which, is MiniGuy still mysteriously missing?

Yeah, a huge bid like that is a pretty quick way to separate the serious buyers from the tire kickers.  Bidder seems to be genuine.

Anyway, get the popcorn ready for the final day of the auction
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on February 04, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 04, 2022, 02:20:17 PM
Speaking of which, is MiniGuy still mysteriously missing?


Yes, Michael Lewis (aka MiniGuy) is still MIA.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 05, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 29, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
An retro-Mk I JDM Mini is now on BaT.   Looks something like Michael's new Mini, but this one has a 998 and may have drum brakes.   To me, the paint seems lighter than Almond Green.

My guess is the Mk I charm will overpower the possible disappointment in a 998 instead of a 1275 and it will be bid into the mid-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-rover-mini-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1989_rover_mini_1989_rover_mini_e0a7cd7d-f427-4cdb-85f3-b70dc0e7bfc1-kr5cRn-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Pretty close sold for $16,900.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 06, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
I think that's a really good price for that car.  And it definitely benefited from the Mk I look and the traditional 1960s Mini color too. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 07, 2022, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: BruceK on January 31, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Whee on January 31, 2022, 12:14:56 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-leyland-mini-clubman-australian-make/

This was built by the same person who did my Aussie Cooper S. I think he did this one, and then my car.

They do things differently in Oz, don't they?

A deseamed Clubman with external door hinges - not something you see everyday.  And a different type of Japanese power.  I love the color.


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1966_austin_leyland-mini-clubman-australian-make_DSC_1949.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $18,000.  Yes, it has some issues but that's a pretty fair purchase price I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 09, 2022, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 03, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
This Mk I Cooper S, with just a few period accessories, and set up to rally,  is sure to generate interest!  And a whole lot of money, too.  Could we see a new record on BaT for a Mini?  I guess we will see....   I suspect a lot of interest will be from the UK.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mini-mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1965_mini_mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar_Mini1-1-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

With less than a day to go there is a full-on "comment war" going on on with this auction about the originality of this car.  The bidding remains at $55,000 and based upon comments it may not go any higher.   

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 10, 2022, 08:17:04 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 09, 2022, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 03, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
This Mk I Cooper S, with just a few period accessories, and set up to rally,  is sure to generate interest!  And a whole lot of money, too.  Could we see a new record on BaT for a Mini?  I guess we will see....   I suspect a lot of interest will be from the UK.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mini-mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1965_mini_mini-cooper-s-fia-historic-racecar_Mini1-1-1.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

With less than a day to go there is a full-on "comment war" going on on with this auction about the originality of this car.  The bidding remains at $55,000 and based upon comments it may not go any higher.


Well, the not-authentic-but-FIA-approved rally Mini went absolutely no further than the early golden bid of $55,000 (a huge jump from the $35K bid before it) and... then it  promptly went Reserve Not Met.   

WTF?   Kind of illustrated how ugly the auction turned out.  Honestly, I can't believe that BaT let the reserve be set that high for that car. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 11, 2022, 11:21:53 PM
No I was surprised BaT let the reserve be set as high as it was.
As it was clearly a non original S shell and engine/gearbox I too was surprised at the bid price thinking it had to be a shill bid, that being said the previous high bidder at $35k was still interested and not concerned about originality.
Still a long way to go to beat the highest price paid for a Mini as the beach car i believe sold for a whopping $247k, that one will be hard to beat imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 12, 2022, 06:48:28 PM
A late model non-JDM, non-UK Mini has popped up on BaT.  This LHD is from Germany and only has 32K miles.  My guess is mid-teens for this car. But maybe more?   What do you think?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-mini-mk-vi-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1992_mini_mk-vi_dsc01292-97096.jpg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 12, 2022, 08:52:40 PM
I think it will do high teens with the LHD helping it some for those RHD haters.
The car looks decent but sits low and has some aftermarket looking seat covers along with a but ugly steering wheel.
The seller purchased it this year and has only added 50km to it, as it has no plates on it I am guessing it may have not been registered to him, its strange for him to be selling it so quickly when he is not a dealer.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: ADRay on February 13, 2022, 07:32:21 AM
can't say I'd feel confident as a buyer with the repeated use of the word "reportedly" in the written description. Good looking Mini though.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 13, 2022, 01:02:33 PM
Agreed.  When I hear "reportedly"  I think Dr. Evil doing air quotes.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 19, 2022, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 12, 2022, 06:48:28 PM
A late model non-JDM, non-UK Mini has popped up on BaT.  This LHD is from Germany and only has 32K miles.  My guess is mid-teens for this car. But maybe more?   What do you think?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-mini-mk-vi-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1992_mini_mk-vi_dsc01292-97096.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $20,000.  Kinda surprised it went that high, but then again we appear to be in a period of rapidly appreciating Minis.  So I guess this may be how things are now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 03:08:02 AM
A JDM Mini with Sportspack arches and wheels added is now on BaT.  The looks of these Minis seems to attract more people, so I think they'll be a lot of action on this car.   Assuming no surprises, this one might break $20K is my guess.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1990_rover_mini_106ad0d4-fe12-40a3-9f5e-1c3b1221d883-24691.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 26, 2022, 07:21:08 AM
Lots of questions on this one....especially about the "stroker" motor......I looked thru all the rects and saw nothing that would make this a stroker motor.....it would need a special crank, rods and pistons..... all I saw were std engine rebuild parts.

All that aside, it's a great looking car and I agree - it should bring all the moneys......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on February 26, 2022, 09:02:14 AM
There is also a late model Moke listed.  It is not in the Mini category, but under "Convertibles".

I have some doubt about the claims of "custom made" with regard to the Moke's roll bar and bumpers.  They are totally identical to the late model Portuguese and Cagiva Mokes.

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1976_leyland_mini-moke_9786364c-3432-4007-982c-2f63a3abe513-16022.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: LarryLebel on February 26, 2022, 10:34:26 AM
On the JDM, does anybody care to comment on the handling with the huge wheels and tires?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 26, 2022, 11:46:22 AM
I did already....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
Make way. Make way.  BIG BUX Mini coming through.

Not only is it a genuine Mk I Cooper S, but it's also a Radford conversion as well.  So a rare version of a desirable rare car. And it's already in California- but UK buyers will show interest too.  Unless something funny turns up, I can see this one going over $50K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-9/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_3212894a-a6d8-473a-a023-d39c8c3142ed-xe6th8-83181-46201.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 26, 2022, 12:40:57 PM
I was just getting ready to post this - you beat me to it! Must be Mini week at BaT.....

It would be worth way more if it had the original engine and trans in it instead of a "Gold seal" and a rod change with QH u-joints.

Still, it IS a hydrolastic Cooper S.......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 26, 2022, 12:40:57 PM
I was just getting ready to post this - you beat me to it! Must be Mini week at BaT.....

It would be worth way more if it had the original engine and trans in it instead of a "Gold seal" and a rod change with QH u-joints.

Still, it IS a hydrolastic Cooper S.......

Yes, that stuff hurts it.  But so do all the other non-original touches like alloy wheels and definitely the oversills - which were only revealed after the original BaT posting.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on February 26, 2022, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: LarryLebel on February 26, 2022, 10:34:26 AM
On the JDM, does anybody care to comment on the handling with the huge wheels and tires?

I owned a 99 sportpack for a number of years with the stock 13s.  They're heavy, the tires are low profile, and as such handling isn't going to be as good as a 10 inch wheel and tire. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: mascher on February 28, 2022, 05:03:13 PM
Do you think the new sills tacked on over the old sill will hurt the price?
Kelley

Quote from: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 26, 2022, 12:40:57 PM
I was just getting ready to post this - you beat me to it! Must be Mini week at BaT.....

It would be worth way more if it had the original engine and trans in it instead of a "Gold seal" and a rod change with QH u-joints.

Still, it IS a hydrolastic Cooper S.......

Yes, that stuff hurts it.  But so do all the other non-original touches like alloy wheels and definitely the oversills - which were only revealed after the original BaT posting.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on February 28, 2022, 05:24:17 PM
I do. When I last looked at the auction yesterday, the seller wrote a lengthy comment about all the corrosion repair on the bodyshell and seemed to conveniently skip over mentioning the oversills in that discussion. It's not really clear if there's still corrosion under the oversills that was just hidden when they were applied.   My guess is someone will bring it up again and indicate that use of oversills is generally regarded as a sloppy, botched repair.  If that happens, I think it will hurt the value of the car. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on February 28, 2022, 05:43:02 PM
Those 13s on the 90s Mini will be scraping the wings when they settle as they have not been cut to accommodate them.
The over sills on the Radford Mini have been installed before 1977 according to the old owner who has chimed in.
Back then these cars were throw away vehicles and a lot of over sills were sold, as they are wider than normal sills they reach farther into the floor so if you have rust there it takes care of that area too.
I am sure if fitted correctly apart from them not venting (easy fix) they work fine but the trouble is most were not and ended up being a cover up for one more years MOT and motoring.
If you reme.her there was a Moke that was restored in the Phillipines? and the welding and floor work was horrific bordering on dangerous, well the bidders kept on bidding and it sold for big money considering its condition.
I am guessing it will not hurt the bids that much because it is a Radford and they do not come up for sale that often.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 28, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Yet another Moke has surfaced on Mini week on BaT!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-healey-mini-moke (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-healey-mini-moke)

And there's a video of the car being cleaned up in which they use detail brushes to clean the whole car, inside and out!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 01, 2022, 08:25:22 AM
A repeat offender Mk I Mini is now on BaT.   It was auctioned back in November 2020 so the new owner has not owned it long. Last time it sold for $28,000 and there are already two bids in the teens for an auction which started less than an hour ago!

I guess we can find out if the market is changed for the same car in the last 15 months.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-mini-mk-i-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1960_mini_mk-i_1960_mini_mk-i_f10c5d26-8829-452e-8b50-004332b018c4-glgvtb-22725-64128.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 01, 2022, 10:37:41 AM
I often wonder about the 'short term repeat offerings' on BaT like this.  Why is it back up for auction so soon?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 01, 2022, 10:59:40 AM
He's convinced it will sell for more than he paid plus the 5%?   8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 02, 2022, 07:56:22 AM
Five Minis on BaT right now that must be a record for Minis.
A friend of mine is going to submit his pick up, I don't think a pick up has ever been sold on BaT it should be interesting as they seem popular.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 04, 2022, 05:57:12 PM
Make that 6 Minis currently on BaT with this Mini Fire Engine!  Very cool!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-pickup/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1964_morris_mini-pickup_img_2235-6-41433.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on March 04, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
Does anyone know how Chuck Heleker is doing? the firefly was his at some point.
Looks like he has sold a number of Minis off.
He was a regular on the MM board and answered technical questions in some sort of official and unofficial capacity.
I had email contact with him about three years ago.
Terry
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 05, 2022, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 03:08:02 AM
A JDM Mini with Sportspack arches and wheels added is now on BaT.  The looks of these Minis seems to attract more people, so I think they'll be a lot of action on this car.   Assuming no surprises, this one might break $20K is my guess.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-rover-mini-7/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1990_rover_mini_106ad0d4-fe12-40a3-9f5e-1c3b1221d883-24691.jpeg?w=620&resize=620%2C413)

Was bid to $15,600 and went RNM.   Some commenters think being RHD held it back.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 05, 2022, 01:29:54 PM
Maybe that's just where the market is?

That seemed to be a really nice one.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on March 05, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on March 04, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
Does anyone know how Chuck Heleker is doing? the firefly was his at some point.
Looks like he has sold a number of Minis off.
He was a regular on the MM board and answered technical questions in some sort of official and unofficial capacity.
I had email contact with him about three years ago.
Terry

Chuck has indeed sold off quite a few of his collection. I think he's slowly reducing to his South African Estate, The W1000 and the Moke.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 06, 2022, 10:54:31 AM
Quote from: BruceK on February 26, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
Make way. Make way.  BIG BUX Mini coming through.

Not only is it a genuine Mk I Cooper S, but it's also a Radford conversion as well.  So a rare version of a desirable rare car. And it's already in California- but UK buyers will show interest too.  Unless something funny turns up, I can see this one going over $50K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-9/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_3212894a-a6d8-473a-a023-d39c8c3142ed-xe6th8-83181-46201.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

This sold for the odd figure of $44,039.  And surprise! It's going back to England.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2022, 11:49:52 AM
A not-exactly-concours Moke has popped up on BaT.  Been in the same family for the last 55 years.  And apparently not everyone liked it or it wouldn't be in such poor shape.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-13/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1967_austin_mini-moke_tempImageI5EKXZ.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 07, 2022, 11:54:38 AM
Sad condition......but of course it can be made like new again with the appropriate application of significant amounts of cash!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2022, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on February 28, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Yet another Moke has surfaced on Mini week on BaT!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-healey-mini-moke (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-healey-mini-moke)

And there's a video of the car being cleaned up in which they use detail brushes to clean the whole car, inside and out!



This Moke sold for $21,000.  A good buy for an English Moke IMO.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 07, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Clancy thinks his might be worth 40-50K..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 07, 2022, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 07, 2022, 06:19:05 PM
Clancy thinks his might be worth 40-50K..... ::)

Hmmm. Not to be overly critical but I think that is perhaps a little optimistic based upon some details needing tidying and such.  But who knows?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 08, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
Yes, I think you can tell by the emoticon that I think he's just a bit optimistic too - but crazier things have happened.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2022, 05:04:23 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 08, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
Yes, I think you can tell by the emoticon that I think he's just a bit optimistic too - but crazier things have happened.....

Yeah I was trying to be kind. Speaking frankly, I don't think it's worth half that.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2022, 05:11:47 PM
Yet another Mk I Mini on BaT.  This one lived in Italy but he's not an Innocenti - it was an expat from Britain. 

Looks pretty nice IMO.  Not a fan of the modifications to fit the Italian license plate.   

It's still got the 850 engine, so it will appeal to collectors and not wannabe boy racers.  I think it May be bid into the mid- to high-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-minor-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1965_morris_minor_img_1785-41120.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 08, 2022, 06:13:49 PM
it's LHD and it has Inno style side repeaters? Did English cars even have side repeaters in this era?

Maybe one built in Senefe or something?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 08, 2022, 07:54:22 PM
I don't think any of the British ones had side repeaters until the big update of the Mini in 1984 forming the Mk V version. Off the top of my head, that's when the 998 engine became the only engine offered (A+ version of course), 12 inch wheels became standard, as did 8.4" front disc brakes, black plastic wheel arches on all cars, and some other things including side repeaters.

My guess is this Mk I car has them fitted either because the Italian homemarket required them, or somebody liked the way they looked on Innocenti models and wanted this car to emulate them.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 10, 2022, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 01, 2022, 08:25:22 AM
A repeat offender Mk I Mini is now on BaT.   It was auctioned back in November 2020 so the new owner has not owned it long. Last time it sold for $28,000 and there are already two bids in the teens for an auction which started less than an hour ago!

I guess we can find out if the market is changed for the same car in the last 15 months.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-mini-mk-i-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1960_mini_mk-i_1960_mini_mk-i_f10c5d26-8829-452e-8b50-004332b018c4-glgvtb-22725-64128.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Wowzers.  Sold for $49,000 !!   What an incredible increase in such a short time



Pretty fantastic price for a non-Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on March 10, 2022, 11:28:29 AM
That's nuts.  Hope the current buyer isn't expecting the same.  Up side, these crazy mk1 prices make me feel better about what I've spent on mine.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 10, 2022, 11:11:39 PM
Crazy money for sure but i thought $28k was high, what a return on investment.
I think the pick up/fire truck is a first on BaT and surprised it is only doing $10,700 with 16 hours to go, but as we know its the last hour where the big bidders come to life.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 11, 2022, 06:52:14 PM
The lil red Pup brought $25,500.....which I think is pretty good.....

Meanwhile a VW pickup made $33K!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 12, 2022, 08:35:09 PM
The red pick up fire truck may appeal to someone who likes or collects fire related stuff, lets face it you would be hard pressed to find another one.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 14, 2022, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 07, 2022, 11:49:52 AM
A not-exactly-concours Moke has popped up on BaT.  Been in the same family for the last 55 years.  And apparently not everyone liked it or it wouldn't be in such poor shape.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-austin-mini-moke-13/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/1967_austin_mini-moke_tempImageI5EKXZ.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

This sold for $24,000.   Which is kinda crazy if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 14, 2022, 07:28:03 PM
I wonder if it will get restored or merely repaired and used as is?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 15, 2022, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 08, 2022, 05:11:47 PM
Yet another Mk I Mini on BaT.  This one lived in Italy but he's not an Innocenti - it was an expat from Britain. 

Looks pretty nice IMO.  Not a fan of the modifications to fit the Italian license plate.   

It's still got the 850 engine, so it will appeal to collectors and not wannabe boy racers.  I think it May be bid into the mid- to high-teens.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-minor-5/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1965_morris_minor_img_1785-41120.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

My guess was close. This sold for $18,750.   A fair price for a nice Mk I 850 I think. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 15, 2022, 04:05:39 PM
And another Mk I Mini 850 is now on BaT.   

This car keeps popping up – it's on BaT for the FOURTH TIME overall and the third time in just the past 12 months!  It last sold for $25,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor-8/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1960_morris_mini-minor_1960_morris_mini-minor_c0f67025-01cd-4d07-a177-4abfff063d97-r47Elk-86861-86862-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)





Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 22, 2022, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 15, 2022, 04:05:39 PM
And another Mk I Mini 850 is now on BaT.   

This car keeps popping up – it's on BaT for the FOURTH TIME overall and the third time in just the past 12 months!  It last sold for $25,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor-8/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1960_morris_mini-minor_1960_morris_mini-minor_c0f67025-01cd-4d07-a177-4abfff063d97-r47Elk-86861-86862-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Well, it was bid to just $20,000 and, not surprisingly, went RNM.   

So the last sales price of $28,000 was perhaps the high point for this car?


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 22, 2022, 04:01:55 PM
I guess they just thought it would keep going up and up and up?  8.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 22, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
When I saw the photos of this car, I thought for sure it's newer than a 1971.  But the dash and size of the pedals seems to support it really being an early Mk III.   I've just glanced at it but it looks sharp. Perhaps it will be bid into the upper teens?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-mk-ii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1971_mini_mk-ii_mini-002-1-66798.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 23, 2022, 01:53:33 PM
A really pristine Riley Elf has just popped up on BaT.   The market for these is more limited than that for the regular Mini body style but this one looks very sweet and has an excellent auction presentation. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-riley-elf-mkiii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1967_riley_elf-mkiii_001_web-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C632)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 24, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 22, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
When I saw the photos of this car, I thought for sure it's newer than a 1971.  But the dash and size of the pedals seems to support it really being an early Mk III.   I've just glanced at it but it looks sharp. Perhaps it will be bid into the upper teens?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-mk-ii/


This is already up to close to $15K.  I think the MiniMania 1380 and the 5-speed have generated a lot of interest.   Could this non-Cooper, non-VTEC Mini go into the twenties?  I think so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 24, 2022, 11:14:08 AM
The Mania link the seller posted to the 1380/5-speed combo was almost $16K! I think posting that had the desired effect of goosing the bid....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 25, 2022, 03:13:19 PM
The seller of the green '71 with the 5-speed has posted a list of rpm's at speed.

Quote
60 MPH in 4th gear at ~4200 RPM
60 MPH in 5th gear at ~3800 RPM
70 MPH in 5th gear at ~4200 RPM.

I'm not too impressed.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on March 25, 2022, 03:34:07 PM
Those must be wrong?  My mini with a 3.44 and smaller diameter tires does those rpms in 4th
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on March 25, 2022, 04:24:43 PM
Definitely something amiss in those posted readings.

My 1996 SPI (Mini Cooper 35th Anniversary with MK-I look) with a 3.44 and 10" wheels does 70 mph at just above 4000 RPMs, 75 mph @ about 4500 RPMs.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 25, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
According to the Guessworks chart, a 3:44 on 10's should be 4231 rpm @70 mph, 75 mph @ 4550 rpm

a 3-1 should be 70 @ about 3800, and 75 @ 4100

and a 2:76 should be 70 @ 3400, 75 @ 3650 - on 13's these drop about 200 RPM
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 07:03:15 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 25, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
According to the Guessworks chart, a 3:44 on 10's should be 4231 rpm @70 mph, 75 mph @ 4550 rpm

a 3-1 should be 70 @ about 3800, and 75 @ 4100

and a 2:76 should be 70 @ 3400, 75 @ 3650 - on 13's these drop about 200 RPM

Does that take into account the five speed? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
A Mk I Cooper S, originally delivered to California when it was brand new, is now on BaT.  And offered at no reserve!   I think this might go pretty darn high. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_220303-OS-Mini-03-23494.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 27, 2022, 07:54:37 AM
I assume a car like this goes "no reserve" because BaT won't list it for the reserve the seller wants so to list it at all it has to go NR?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 27, 2022, 07:58:53 AM
QuoteDoes that take into account the five speed?

No, the 5 speed is  82% in 5th, so with a 3:44 5th should be about 3500 @70, 3800 @ 75 mph
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on March 27, 2022, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
A Mk I Cooper S, originally delivered to California when it was brand new, is now on BaT.  And offered at no reserve!   I think this might go pretty darn high. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_220303-OS-Mini-03-23494.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Almost thought this was my old car, but mine had roof damage as well
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on March 28, 2022, 07:17:58 PM
Missing the crucial spot welded on body number and a reproduction engine and vin plate along with a replaced front end I feel is not going to help the bids on this Cooper S.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 29, 2022, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 24, 2022, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: BruceK on March 22, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
When I saw the photos of this car, I thought for sure it's newer than a 1971.  But the dash and size of the pedals seems to support it really being an early Mk III.   I've just glanced at it but it looks sharp. Perhaps it will be bid into the upper teens?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mini-mk-ii/


This is already up to close to $15K.  I think the MiniMania 1380 and the 5-speed have generated a lot of interest.   Could this non-Cooper, non-VTEC Mini go into the twenties?  I think so.

Heck yeah it went into the twenties!    Sold for $27,000.   :-\ 

Lotsa money for a non-Cooper plain old Mini that's been fixed up nicely. 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on March 30, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 23, 2022, 01:53:33 PM
A really pristine Riley Elf has just popped up on BaT.   The market for these is more limited than that for the regular Mini body style but this one looks very sweet and has an excellent auction presentation. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-riley-elf-mkiii/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1967_riley_elf-mkiii_001_web-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C632)

The elf got some serious respect.  Sold for an incredible $41,500.   Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on March 30, 2022, 06:55:41 PM
Wow indeed, those haven't done all that well in the past, have they?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Whee on March 31, 2022, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on March 30, 2022, 06:55:41 PM
Wow indeed, those haven't done all that well in the past, have they?

Rule of thumb for me is 20% less for an Elf than a standard Mini. The boot puts a lot of first time Mini buyers off.

This one broke the mold for sure.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 05, 2022, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
A Mk I Cooper S, originally delivered to California when it was brand new, is now on BaT.  And offered at no reserve!   I think this might go pretty darn high. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1966_austin_mini-cooper-s_220303-OS-Mini-03-23494.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Not everyone was comfortable with the sheetmetal repairs or the history of this Mini.  And that seemed to be reflected in the low – for Mk I Cooper S - winning bid of $35,000.   

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 09, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
A refurbished 998 automatic is on BaT.   The drivetrain is not the most desirable so I can't imagine it going for more than $10,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1989_austin_mini_02-3-1-57600.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on April 09, 2022, 05:03:18 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 05, 2022, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: BruceK on March 27, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
A Mk I Cooper S, originally delivered to California when it was brand new, is now on BaT.  And offered at no reserve!   I think this might go pretty darn high. 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-cooper-s-10/

Not everyone was comfortable with the sheetmetal repairs or the history of this Mini.  And that seemed to be reflected in the low – for Mk I Cooper S - winning bid of $35,000.

So this car was very similar to my first Mini in 1972. I bought it for $1000 and sold it for $1500 5 years later. I wonder what it would have cost me to maintain it for 50 years...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2022, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 09, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
A refurbished 998 automatic is on BaT.   The drivetrain is not the most desirable so I can't imagine it going for more than $10,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1989_austin_mini_02-3-1-57600.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

HOLY CRAP.  On two counts:

1) the top bid was an astounding $16,000!  (For a 998 slushbox Mini!?!?)

2) The auction went Reserve not Met (!) at that bid.  Seriously, WTF?  Reserve is higher than $16K!?!?


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 17, 2022, 05:29:23 PM
Now a VTEC Mini has popped up on BaT.

It's a lot more understated than the typical VTEC car - no Sportpack arches over 13" wheels for example.  It does have a roll at though...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-1970-mini-cooper-vtec-conversion-coupe/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1978_mini_1970-mini-cooper-vtec-conversion-coupe_img_3543-4-61714.jpg?fit=940%2C626)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 18, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
I've given up trying to understand their reserve policy......it seems to be the dartboard in the lunchroom....

This vtec is interesting for a number of reasons - first off - the video is one of the best I've seen for highlighting the car - really well done.

However, Don and I both question whether this is a Vtec motor, as it just doesn't sound like it - as he runs up thru the revs the sound of a Vtec intake really changes when it hits that magic spot where the extra valves open. We didn't hear that at all......

I also was trying to determine what final drive he has in it.....a couple of other people have mentioned that too....bidding got off to a good start at least.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on April 18, 2022, 10:21:22 AM
Well assuming they actually know what motor they have in it, the D16Z6 SOHC is a VTEC motor. It was most likely from a Honda Civic or maybe a Del Sol. It is one of the lower powered versions of the D16 VTEC.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 20, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 17, 2022, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 09, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
A refurbished 998 automatic is on BaT.   The drivetrain is not the most desirable so I can't imagine it going for more than $10,000.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/1989_austin_mini_02-3-1-57600.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

HOLY CRAP.  On two counts:

1) the top bid was an astounding $16,000!  (For a 998 slushbox Mini!?!?)

2) The auction went Reserve not Met (!) at that bid.  Seriously, WTF?  Reserve is higher than $16K!?!?

As they say in the car trade "that's when two fools met, one for bidding that much and the other for not accepting the bid".
Good luck to the seller if he can get more than that anywhere.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on April 20, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
Quote from: Jimini II on April 20, 2022, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: BruceK on April 17, 2022, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 09, 2022, 03:32:55 PM
A refurbished 998 automatic is on BaT.   The drivetrain is not the most desirable so I can't imagine it going for more than $10,000.

HOLY CRAP.  On two counts:

1) the top bid was an astounding $16,000!  (For a 998 slushbox Mini!?!?)

2) The auction went Reserve not Met (!) at that bid.  Seriously, WTF?  Reserve is higher than $16K!?!?

As they say in the car trade "that's when two fools met, one for bidding that much and the other for not accepting the bid".
Good luck to the seller if he can get more than that anywhere.

It always amazes me how many people actually think you "should" make money restoring a car. Sometimes you can, most times you can't and you should probably be happy breaking even in most cases. You generally only make money if you managed to acquire the car in decent shape for a lot less than usual and then do all the work you can yourself. You also generally have to have something "special" not just a run of the mill 80's/90's mini that doesn't even have a very desirable engine in it. This car would have been a great candidate for a VTEC swap or similar but you would have to be able to acquire it for a hell of a lot less than 16 grand.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 21, 2022, 07:31:37 AM
A Mini of the Innocenti variety has popped up on BaT.  It will be interesting to see how this one fares considering it's a rarer model than the usual Minis appearing there.  Although this one seems to have been modified with the wrong grille, the wrong badges, the wrong lights, etc. taking much Innocenti-ness away from it.

I wonder if any guys we know own an Innocenti?    ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-innocenti-mini-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/IMG_1941-1-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 22, 2022, 08:08:02 AM
A JDM automatic Mini is now on BaT.   Will this one get the crazy bids like the 998 automatic did last week - up to $16,000?   Dunno.  It's got a bigger engine but does not look as nice with the ugly LED headlights and they just left the holes in the fenders when they removed the wing mirrors.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1995_mini_mk-vi_img_1028-92181.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 22, 2022, 10:24:46 AM
Well, it's on trend with all the black trim..... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 22, 2022, 11:03:07 AM
The LED's would be fine, I just think it's the black headlight rings that throw it off.  He did go crazy with the black accents.  I have black centers on my rims, black grill, and a black roof, but that's it.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on April 22, 2022, 11:11:07 AM
I definitely think he got carried away on the black accents, but it might have looked better with a different color car. That green is so dark it all kind of just blends together.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 22, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 21, 2022, 07:31:37 AM
A Mini of the Innocenti variety has popped up on BaT.  It will be interesting to see how this one fares considering it's a rarer model than the usual Minis appearing there.  Although this one seems to have been modified with the wrong grille, the wrong badges, the wrong lights, etc. taking much Innocenti-ness away from it.

I wonder if any guys we know own an Innocenti?    ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-innocenti-mini-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/IMG_1941-1-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

At a glance I think the bonnet stripes, badge, grill, and seats will hurt it. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 25, 2022, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 17, 2022, 05:29:23 PM
Now a VTEC Mini has popped up on BaT.

It's a lot more understated than the typical VTEC car - no Sportpack arches over 13" wheels for example.  It does have a roll at though...

Sold for $22,500.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-1970-mini-cooper-vtec-conversion-coupe/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/1978_mini_1970-mini-cooper-vtec-conversion-coupe_img_3543-4-61714.jpg?fit=940%2C626)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 26, 2022, 07:11:32 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 22, 2022, 10:24:46 AM
Well, it's on trend with all the black trim..... ::)

Not a fan of everything blacked out either.
I saw a Mini with all the chrome painted body color and it looked good imho.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 28, 2022, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: 94touring on April 22, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 21, 2022, 07:31:37 AM
A Mini of the Innocenti variety has popped up on BaT.  It will be interesting to see how this one fares considering it's a rarer model than the usual Minis appearing there.  Although this one seems to have been modified with the wrong grille, the wrong badges, the wrong lights, etc. taking much Innocenti-ness away from it.

I wonder if any guys we know own an Innocenti?    ;D

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-innocenti-mini-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/IMG_1941-1-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

At a glance I think the bonnet stripes, badge, grill, and seats will hurt it.

Sold for $24,500 which I thought was strong money.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 28, 2022, 07:18:34 PM
Indeed.  I checked a day or two ago and it was still at 8500.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 28, 2022, 08:47:09 PM
Encouraging........................ 77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 29, 2022, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: BruceK on April 22, 2022, 08:08:02 AM
A JDM automatic Mini is now on BaT.   Will this one get the crazy bids like the 998 automatic did last week - up to $16,000?   Dunno.  It's got a bigger engine but does not look as nice with the ugly LED headlights and they just left the holes in the fenders when they removed the wing mirrors.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1995_mini_mk-vi_img_1028-92181.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)

Holy Crap, take 2.  What is it with BaT and automatic Minis (not my cup of tea) and high reserves and crazy bids? 

The 998 automatic last week was bid to $16,000 and went reserve not met!

This automatic was bid to $15,600 and also went reserve not met!

BaT is not making money on these and the sellers sure aren't selling them. I wonder if BaT will allow another high reserve on the next automatic Mini that shows up?

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 29, 2022, 08:42:24 PM
Good question.....their reserve numbers don't seem to follow any sort of reliable format.....more of a dartboard approach.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 29, 2022, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on April 28, 2022, 08:47:09 PM
Encouraging........................ 77.gif

Yes it is and looking at it I believe it was only a 20 footer I see a body restoration in its future, the one you guys have looks far superior and correct imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 29, 2022, 09:35:53 PM
I agree BaT is not clued up on Mini automatics.
The owner of the green automatic Mini said the bid of $15,600 was close to the reserve price, if it was my auction I would be contacting the last bidder and get it sold.
I have watched some auctions and when they are close BaT has kicked in some money to make the sale happen.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on April 30, 2022, 01:41:38 AM
I washed ours yesterday. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on April 30, 2022, 08:52:27 AM
I'm going to run down there in a couple of weeks when Dan gets home from galavanting all over the planet and bring it back to my place to finish the electrical and tidy up a few things, then it will be time to put a few miles on it!

Dan and I have both done a good job with the work we've done on it, it's a really nice car now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on April 30, 2022, 11:58:03 AM
Looks super!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on April 30, 2022, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: 94touring on April 30, 2022, 01:41:38 AM
I washed ours yesterday.

Looking good.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 16, 2022, 12:27:53 PM
Two classics for sale  currently on BaT - a turquoise Moke

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-moke-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-moke-3/)

And a Pup!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-pickup/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mini-pickup/)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 16, 2022, 09:18:17 PM
The ex Catalina island Moke previously sold for $35k in 2016 and is no reserve now after spending $7k plus on repairs.
If you look at the pictures it has some interesting features, turn signal switch location on the pedal box, manual wipers, and handbrake guides located on the bottom of the subframe.
The pick up I know the last two Florida owners and it has been taken care of, the 1275 in it runs super strong and never misses a beat, it should do well on BaT.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on May 17, 2022, 07:29:21 AM
Yeah, I'm interested to see what the Pup does.....it's different enough that it may go bonkers. I expect the Moke to easily beat its last sale price, but it's interesting that it's no reserve.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on May 20, 2022, 04:04:29 PM
The moke went for 42,500. Whew.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on May 25, 2022, 08:35:07 AM
Is $27,250 bonkers enough Dave?
A few of us Mini owners were having a beer and watching the auction with the owner, needless to say he was more than happy with the outcome its new home will be in Massachusetts.
I see Dan (94 touring) made a couple of bids on it, time to dust the cobwebs off my 62 pick up.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on May 25, 2022, 08:50:30 PM
I did.  It was a nice truck, but too rich for my blood.  I was expecting low 20s.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on June 05, 2022, 09:22:44 PM
The MK I Cooper S sold for a hefty $45,250.
It is a decent car but the bright white respray did not look right imo.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 10, 2022, 12:09:23 PM
So, a "1970" Mini was listed on BaT this morning, even someone who isn't really into Minis could see it was a later model car than purported to be, with fuel injection and air bags! The seller tried to say it was a "restomod" but that only got him in deeper. BaT has already pulled the auction......

It looked to me like a really nice 2000 Mini.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on June 10, 2022, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on June 10, 2022, 12:09:23 PM
So, a "1970" Mini was listed on BaT this morning, even someone who isn't really into Minis could see it was a later model car than purported to be, with fuel injection and air bags! The seller tried to say it was a "restomod" but that only got him in deeper. BaT has already pulled the auction......

It looked to me like a really nice 2000 Mini.....

It was a little entertaining, but the seller really did not know what he was trying to sell.  You can see that it sold for $45K in 2016 if you google the VIN, that listing claimed it was a resto mod as well.  In the UK a perfect version will only sell for 25K GBP.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: joakwin on June 11, 2022, 10:39:59 AM
Being a vin swap, it won't sell for no 25k in the uk


It's kind of messed up that the owner didn't know, but at the same time
When the f did they have air bags in the steering wheels on cars in 1970

I'm sure the owner kind of knew but turned a eye to the fact that it has
An air bag in the steering wheel

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 11, 2022, 02:01:49 PM
Yeah, some people got caught up in the bidding at the auction and now someone will lose his shorts on it unless the seller can find another clueless Texas buyer.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on June 13, 2022, 07:13:14 AM
The dumbest thing they did was include the Heritage certificate in the photos.  I am not sure how they will shift it, as I think it is a 2000 car so a few years away from being legal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2022, 09:11:37 AM
Quote from: Brit_in_TX on June 13, 2022, 07:13:14 AM
The dumbest thing they did was include the Heritage certificate in the photos.  I am not sure how they will shift it, as I think it is a 2000 car so a few years away from being legal.

It will be "legal" in year only.  There is no valid documentation to support, and no clear way to "come clean" and say, "Well, this vehicle was illegally imported and then it was registered under fraudulent means, but now we wanna fly right and register it as a year 2000.  I'm sure that's fine with you, Mrs. DMV clerk.  Just take my word for things. Oh, and be a dear, please don't alert the authorities."   

Good luck with that.  And in 3 years when ALL classic Minis will be legal for import, who's going to want to deal with one of these cars with more than questionable provenance? 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 13, 2022, 12:16:57 PM
All good points.

Counterpoint, our Inno was registered as a 1980, Dan was successful in getting it registered in its proper year, 1973.....

I agree that those with questionable reg date info will be harder to shift, if at all - but the scarcity of good classic Minis might make a casual buyer less than concerned, especially in states that don't have stringent inspection procedures.

I think the guy with the 2000 registered as a 1970 is boned tho.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 13, 2022, 07:18:29 PM
Let me now contradict myself.  If someone was "stuck" with that model year 2000 Mini, and it was 2025 or later (meaning past the 25 year mark), AND if the original VIN - the hidden VIN - was still present on the car, a person could then use the original VIN number, have a Rover plate made up, and petition the DMV to issue a bonded title - in absence of an existing title  - to claim ownership and register the car.  After so many years, I believe 5 years, the bonded title could be then transformed into a regular title. I'm sure there are many ethical and legal problems in doing this, but it's likely possible.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 14, 2022, 07:48:29 AM
I think you can run it thru Vermont and get a title the same way, without the bond....proper vin, new vin plate etc.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 21, 2022, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 29, 2021, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on December 21, 2021, 07:17:29 PM
That low-mileage Mini Cooper from the UK sold for $20,000.   That's a lot, but is was an unusually nice 1990s car.


Here's another one.  This one is Italian-sourced and for some strange reason it's on Vermont license plates while it has lived in California for years.  Gee.   Wonder why?  ;D   Owned by a dealer, I expect the typical gloss over of any criticism that pops up.

Oh, and there's documentation showing someone spent a shitload of money on this which of course will never be fully reflected in the bids.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mini-cooper-s/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/1991_mini_cooper-s_ECC_94-MINI-Cooper_Sharplite-2400px-2.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

HOLY CRAP!  This car sold for $35,000.   :-[  WTF!?   I know we're in a period of very high inflation, but that's Mk I Cooper S territory last time I looked.

And it's back on BaT again!  Wonder if the guy who overpaid for it found out making it California CARB compliant costs a lot more than he thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on June 28, 2022, 02:48:34 PM
That guy took a real hit on the car, he paid $35K and it sold for $21,250......$15,600 loss in 6 months by the time he paid buyers and sellers fees. Whew, he got a real haircut on this deal....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on June 28, 2022, 06:16:02 PM
Yeah I agree. More of a market correction. $35,000 was really unusual for a late model Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2022, 01:15:06 PM
A Mk II Cooper S is now on BaT.   Looks very nice.  And you don't see many Mk II models due to their relative rarity compared to the Mk I models.   

Unless something earth-shatteringly negative is revealed I'm betting this will go to $40,000 at least.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-cooper-s-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1969_austin_cooper-s_img_4132-8-34612.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 13, 2022, 02:46:40 PM
Does look really nice. I wonder whether they are still bringing the big bux......we'll see.....

I thought MkII's had roll up windows? Only MkII's?

Nice that it still has the hydro suspension
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2022, 04:57:43 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on July 13, 2022, 02:46:40 PM
Does look really nice. I wonder whether they are still bringing the big bux......we'll see.....

I thought MkII's had roll up windows? Only MkII's?

Nice that it still has the hydro suspension

No, sliding windows definitely continued on the Mk II. 

Off the top of my head, the big changes for Mk II were:

- new grille that dropped the mustache and whiskers and whose top bar was mounted to the bonnet
- bigger, squared off tail lights with Amber on the top and red on the bottom (no back up lights at this point)
- wider rear windscreen
- all cars got Black seats and Black interior trim - so they dropped all the cool color combinations that came on the Mk I to save ££
- tighter turning circle with new rack and different steering arms mounted on the hubs
- Cooper S wheels became silver instead of OEW
- I think this was also the introduction of ignition switches on the columns for some markets
- different badging from Mk I
- bumper overriders and the chrome tubes that attached to them (I forget what these are called) were dropped to save money and because they would contact the larger rear taillights
- steering wheel got a bigger central horn push
- different turn signal switch without the flashing green light on the end of it

There's probably more stuff but I can't remember.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2022, 05:06:32 PM
Oh, and I believe the Mk II was where they simplified the central instrument binnacle so it no longer had the four screws around the  speedo and the hidden Mini 850 white plastic speedo structure hiding behind that - instead the whole binnacle was built stronger to support the gauges themselves.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on July 13, 2022, 05:15:18 PM
You are a veritable fount of knowledge!  77.gif
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 13, 2022, 05:59:26 PM
In the old days, when people wrote detailed books about specific model cars, I was one of the car nerds who bought those books about the cars.  I was also a consumer of actual paper car magazines like Road & Track, Autoweek, and Car and Driver.  So I absorbed lots of useless automotive trivia and minutia.

These days, a whole lot of people don't seem to know shit about anything - other than whatever crap is currently trending on social media.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on July 20, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
A Mini Sprite has popped up on BaT.   Not a Cooper, but I don't think that will hurt its chances.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/1995_mini_mk-vi_minifixed-6-37586.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 02, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 13, 2022, 01:15:06 PM
A Mk II Cooper S is now on BaT.   Looks very nice.  And you don't see many Mk II models due to their relative rarity compared to the Mk I models.   

Unless something earth-shatteringly negative is revealed I'm betting this will go to $40,000 at least.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-austin-cooper-s-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1969_austin_cooper-s_img_4132-8-34612.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Only bid to $30K and went RNM. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 02, 2022, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: BruceK on July 20, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
A Mini Sprite has popped up on BaT.   Not a Cooper, but I don't think that will hurt its chances.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/1995_mini_mk-vi_minifixed-6-37586.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

This Mini sold for for $23,750.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 02, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
A VTEC Mini is now on BaT.   Looks good, but some rust reported.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-austin-austin-leyland-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1976_austin_austin-leyland-mini_1976_austin_austin-leyland-mini_f511e029-0d0b-4167-ae7b-48946151fcb4-1z7y8o-04357-26799.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 02, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
The current owner has driven it about 200 miles, 2600 since the conversion? Why bother if you're not going to drive it? Don has done close to 40K on his Pup.

And another hohum video of a guy driving an engine that will rev to 7500 down the road at 2K RPM. pointless if you're trying to get people excited about the performance of the car.

I wonder why the MkII S didn't do better?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 03, 2022, 03:27:47 PM
Here's a car on BAT that is a mash-up of the two Minis in Michael's current stable! 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-leyland-mini-van/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1976_leyland_mini-van_leyland-mini-van-1976-drivers-side-right-close-22121.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 03, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
Bought a year ago this month and moved from Oregon to the middle of Colorado.......wonder why it's for sale again? Flipper or......?

Driven 14 miles since he bought it......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 03, 2022, 08:15:31 PM
That is the one I bid on last year and asked about the rocker noise and smoke and was blown off by the previous seller.

Thie current seller indicates there is still some "smoking on startup" and that the rocker rattle was supposedly "an echo artifact of the previous seller's phone".

It has also only driven about 14 miles in the last year???

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 09, 2022, 06:17:20 PM
That green '76 VTEC Mini above sold for $27,500.   Looks like building a VTEC Mini is a great way to lose money?

now this one, with an extended nose, is up for auction.  This one looks like it's had more money thrown at it. So, more money to lose?  Or will this sell for something approaching what has been spent on it? 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-morris-mini-minor-9/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1960_austin_mini_img_4840-5-05620.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 10, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
The Almond Green window Van sold for $19,000.    Just $500 more than it sold for a year ago.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 14, 2022, 12:25:24 PM
Now an Elf is on BaT.   Cool but a more limited appeal than a regular Mini.  Wonder how it will do?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-riley-elf/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1968_riley_elf_274af09a-855d-4c30-a2d3-836fe85b3753-96491.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 14, 2022, 04:10:56 PM
$10K the first day (and a Sunday no less) seems like it's off to a good start. Seems like the last one didn't go nearly as well?

Take it back, last one did $41,500! But the Vtec version only did $14,250 - that musta been the one I was thinking of?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 15, 2022, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 14, 2022, 04:10:56 PM
$10K the first day (and a Sunday no less) seems like it's off to a good start. Seems like the last one didn't go nearly as well?

Take it back, last one did $41,500! But the Vtec version only did $14,250 - that musta been the one I was thinking of?

It's up to almost $21K on the second day.  Wow.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 15, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
A LHD 998 Mini is now on BaT.  Based on the repair receipts, it's apparently being sold by someone with more money than mechanical skill.  Well, less money now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-1000/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1989_austin_mini-1000_1989_austin_mini-1000_cd3c72e8-859d-4325-b3e2-a197a47c8a21-5u31iq-04819-37831.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the black wheels do it any favors.....normally this would have been a $5K car, no idea what it will bring now?

A local guy here just paid $4K for a running 998 that needs - well - most everything, interior. Rust repairs. Paint. Brakes. Wheels. Tires. You name it.....it does run - barely - but that's about it. Floors are gone, needs sill, wings......it's a typical car like Dan gets  to repair. So if this mess is worth $4K (it's not, in my book), what is a decent, running, driving 998 worth? We'll see I guess.

I was surprised that just changing the carb got it to 77 mph where before it wouldn't go over 45?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on August 16, 2022, 10:13:17 AM
Dave,

It is running a Weber DGV carb.  If those are not jetted correctly (usually way too rich), they will flood the engine as you try to go over 45mph.  I know from experience.  One of my past Minis (the green panel Van) came with a Weber DGV that was way too rich and would flood out trying to go over 45 mph.  I changed it to a HIF carb and it ran much better.

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2022, 01:39:00 PM
OMG that blue Vtec sold for $46K!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on August 16, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
That's ridiculous for one with the extended nose. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 16, 2022, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on August 16, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the black wheels do it any favors.....normally this would have been a $5K car, no idea what it will bring now?

Normally?  I disagree.  The days of $5K running/driving "acceptable" Minis are apparently over.  I checked BaT results for 2022 and the lowest winning bid for a Mini was $15,600.  Don't think I missed any cheaper ones.   Granted, the Minis that BaT accepts are not necessarily a good cross section of ALL Minis for sale, but still it's a good bellwether of Mini values.

I think this car will easily top $10K.

I do agree the black painted wheels hurt the appeal of the car.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 16, 2022, 05:17:56 PM
Yes, normally meaning the pre-BaT era.

But I still think my guy with his Canadian rust bucket paid about $3K too much......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 21, 2022, 03:07:44 PM
The Elf sold for nearly $21K.  No bids came in the final 5 days of the auction.  But did sell.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 21, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
Yeah, I wondered about that high bid coming so early....maybe it "sold" to the shill bidder?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 22, 2022, 04:32:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 15, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
A LHD 998 Mini is now on BaT.  Based on the repair receipts, it's apparently being sold by someone with more money than mechanical skill.  Well, less money now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-1000/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1989_austin_mini-1000_1989_austin_mini-1000_cd3c72e8-859d-4325-b3e2-a197a47c8a21-5u31iq-04819-37831.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


This car sold for $16,750.   That's a lotta bux for a 998 Mini IMO.   
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 22, 2022, 04:47:26 PM
I agree......every time I think prices might be moderating, one like this sells.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 22, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
A 998 with an automatic is now on BaT.   What a very 1970s color!  I really like it.   I remember MGBs in this color.

With the smaller engine and the slushbox, this will have a limited appeal I think.  Maybe bid to $11K?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mk-iii-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1976_mini_mk-iii_1be63d25-66c0-46c4-987d-d31877291ead-29792.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 22, 2022, 05:52:33 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 22, 2022, 04:32:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 15, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
A LHD 998 Mini is now on BaT.  Based on the repair receipts, it's apparently being sold by someone with more money than mechanical skill.  Well, less money now.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-1000/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1989_austin_mini-1000_1989_austin_mini-1000_cd3c72e8-859d-4325-b3e2-a197a47c8a21-5u31iq-04819-37831.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


This car sold for $16,750.   That's a lotta bux for a 998 Mini IMO.

WOW - that was much more than I was expecting. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 22, 2022, 06:12:05 PM
The only 998 automatic I ever drove was sooooo sllooooooowwww, especially against a 1275 auto which seemed to run out just fine.

This yellow one at least has good eye appeal.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2022, 04:44:40 PM
What looks to be a pretty nice Spanish-built Authi Mini 1000 is now on BaT.   It's got a 998 but apparently the owner believed the car had a 1275!?

One of the commenters pointed out that there are u-joints at both ends of the driveshafts. I don't think I've ever seen that the many before.   So the Brits supplied lots of Mini parts to Authi, but not CV joints?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-authi-mini-1000e/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/1970_authi_mini-1000e_bfefdc9c-c433-468b-8766-279c7b6b546c-55945.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on August 29, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Quote from: BruceK on August 22, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
A 998 with an automatic is now on BaT.   What a very 1970s color!  I really like it.   I remember MGBs in this color.

With the smaller engine and the slushbox, this will have a limited appeal I think.  Maybe bid to $11K?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mini-mk-iii-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1976_mini_mk-iii_1be63d25-66c0-46c4-987d-d31877291ead-29792.jpeg?fit=940%2C627)


HOLY SHIT.  This Mini with a 998 and an automatic just sold for $50k !!!  Unless there are gold bars stacked in the boot this is maybe the craziest price I've seen for a plain old Mini.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on August 29, 2022, 06:12:54 PM
That's. Just. Nuts!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on August 30, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
Looking at the bidding it seemed two people just lost all sense of control!
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on August 30, 2022, 01:45:28 PM
Yeah that's just dumb lol
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on August 30, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
The comments by the winning bidder after the end of the auction were strange to say the least. It sounds like perhaps he just has 50 grand to piss away, which at least makes more sense than the other guy who for some strange reason just seemed to be completely in love with the car regardless of cost?

Hard to say what the motivation was for either party, but there is no question that the car sold for far more than it is actually worth.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
That green Authi just sold for $19,000.  A lot for a 998, but it was a pretty rare Mk II Mini with unique features so I think that's a fair price.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 05, 2022, 03:53:50 PM
With an hour to go it was only at the $10K bid, so it def went up strongly at the end. The winner had an odd reaction, almost like he didn't really want the car but just got caught up in it.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 05, 2022, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 05, 2022, 03:53:50 PM
With an hour to go it was only at the $10K bid, so it def went up strongly at the end. The winner had an odd reaction, almost like he didn't really want the car but just got caught up in it.....

Yeah, two Mini auctions within in the last week and both times the winning bidder seems surprised and a bit uncertain about having won.  What's up with that?

I wonder how soon they'll flip those cars?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: cstudep on September 06, 2022, 06:10:06 AM
That is odd for sure. If I am spending 20 to 50 grand on something I make damn sure I REALLY want it before making the purchase.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2022, 09:13:53 AM
Right. And I'd learn as much as possible about it.  The winning bidder of the green Mini at $19K asked why the auction didn't go to $50K like the other car?  Like he must've assumed they all would sell for exactly the same amount?  Not understanding the other car sold for perhaps four times more than it was typically worth?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2022, 10:23:11 AM
What's that old saying? People know the price of everything and the value of nothing?

I used to run into this selling cars.....if you had a customer who said something to the effect of "this is the price I'm going to pay,, take it or leave it" and you took it, they were convinced they left money on the table. So no matter what sale price you agreed on in the end, they needed to go thru the song and dance to get there or they felt cheated, even tho everyone says the same thing - "I hate negotiating to buy a car".

I think they only hate it if they don't feel like they "won". If a guy's convinced he got a killer deal, he'll shout it to the moon - if he thinks otherwise, then the dealers a cheat - even if the two guys got the same exact deal.

Selling cars is an amazing look into the variety of psyche's of people......sometimes it wasn't so much convincing them to buy your product as a sort of chess game to see who could outmaneuver the other guy and "win".

We've seen this on BaT where the right seller can get way more out of his car than the guy who just puts the car on there and waits for the money to roll in......
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 06, 2022, 04:22:47 PM
Good points Dave.  Human nature is... well, can only be explained by the phrase "human nature" I guess.

In the meantime a new Mini has popped up on BaT.  Since it's more modern than recent Minis I wonder how it will do?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1997_rover_mini_img_3994-4-85030.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 06, 2022, 06:14:17 PM
I wonder if guys are making money on these Jap spec cars? I saw one in Michigan for sale for about the same price as Michael is asking for his, wasn't quite as nice as his tho.

This one looks pretty good, other than the tired looking leather. some hide food would make a huge difference in the appeal of the interior.

Sure couldn't hurt to give it a quick wash under the bonnet too!

Hang on.......this looks to be an MPI? I thought all the Jap spec cars were SPi?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on September 06, 2022, 07:34:35 PM
The late JDM SPi used the MPi style block.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 08, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
A very nice restored English Moke is now on offer.  Big money will be paid for this one I think.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-moke-4/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1968_austin_mini-moke_pxl_20220622_181353392-60500.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on September 08, 2022, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 08, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
A very nice restored English Moke is now on offer.  Big money will be paid for this one I think.


This is Robin's Moke from Ohio.
I forget what his name on the MM message board was and I think he participated here as well.
Wish I had the money.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 11, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
A very nice light gray 998 Mini is now on BaT.   Lots of money spent on the interior, but somehow no tachometer.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-rover-mini-city/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1989_rover_mini-city_20220809_091203-78678.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2022, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 06, 2022, 04:22:47 PM
Good points Dave.  Human nature is... well, can only be explained by the phrase "human nature" I guess.

In the meantime a new Mini has popped up on BaT.  Since it's more modern than recent Minis I wonder how it will do?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-rover-mini/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1997_rover_mini_img_3994-4-85030.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $17,300. Surely this could have been higher if the seller was more responsive and had presented the car better. With just an hour remaining in the auction (!) a picture of a cleaned engine bay finally showed up, as did a start up video and a driving video.   Talk about a seller asleep at the wheel!

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 13, 2022, 03:55:37 PM
One Mini auction completes, and another one is started within the hour.  Here's the latest.

The 13 inch wheels and sports pack flares seem to attract a lot of attention – most of it seems typically to be from non-Mini people - so I think this will do well.  It's a Sprite and not a real Cooper.  But that shouldn't matter to most bidders.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-1-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1993_rover_mini-1.3_20220805_185131-49542.jpg?fit=940%2C626)




Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2022, 12:53:16 PM
And now a Mk I Cooper is on BaT.  I know this car, and I knew the owner too.  Unfortunately he passed about 6 years ago and the subsequent owner is now selling it. This car was a vintage racer before it was recommissioned for road use.  I love everything about it other than the sunroof.

This is now the second Mini appearing on BaT whose owners I knew, but who have since passed away. Both cars were genuine 1960s Coopers. Really does remind me that after surviving this long, these cars will go on and on until the next caretaker takes over.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morris-mini-cooper-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1963_morris_mini-cooper_mini_001-50855.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2022, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 08, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
A very nice restored English Moke is now on offer.  Big money will be paid for this one I think.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-austin-mini-moke-4/


(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1968_austin_mini-moke_pxl_20220622_181353392-60500.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $37,750.  A good price but still a bit of a bargain I think.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on September 14, 2022, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 14, 2022, 12:53:16 PM
And now a Mk I Cooper is on BaT.  I know this car, and I knew the owner too.  Unfortunately he passed about 6 years ago and the subsequent owner is now selling it. This car was a vintage racer before it was recommissioned for road use.  I love everything about it other than the sunroof.

This is now the second Mini appearing on BaT whose owners I knew, but who have since passed away. Both cars were genuine 1960s Coopers. Really does remind me that after surviving this long, these cars will go on and on until the next caretaker takes over.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morris-mini-cooper-3/

Bruce,

Do you remember or know what may have happened to the "Mini Specific" trailer Grover used for his race Mini?  Picture 146 from the BaT listing:

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 14, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
No I don't know.  When I last spent time with Grover at the All British Car Day in Dallas (in 2015 I think it was) he had driven his Mini to the show.  I remember being pretty impressed because I believe he was 83 years old at the time and he dealt with the heavy  Dallas traffic in the Mini. But then again he was a former racecar driver! 

Perhaps contact the BaT seller and see if he has the trailer?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
A Clubman estate is now on BaT in the very 1970s shade of brown.  Looks nice.  1250cc?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-leyland-clubman-estate/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1978_leyland_clubman-estate-classic-british-mini_1978_leyland_clubman-estate-classic-british-mini_0dfcbb30-0d19-458e-98e0-7e4020462e48-atcoyc-76376-55511.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 17, 2022, 03:16:49 PM
That looks really nice, I'll be interested to see how high this one goes compared to what I sold Buzz for a few years ago.

Most of these clubby wagons seem to go for around $20K, which seems like a lot, but I guess that's where the market has gone.

I'll never understand why people bid these way up on the first day.....like somehow getting their licks in early counts for something?

I would put a set of those small wilson picket arches on it and call it good
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 17, 2022, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 17, 2022, 03:16:49 PM

I would put a set of those small wilson picket arches on it and call it good


Or maybe some Smokey Robinson ones.

;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 18, 2022, 02:24:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 11, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
A very nice light gray 998 Mini is now on BaT.   Lots of money spent on the interior, but somehow no tachometer.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-rover-mini-city/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1989_rover_mini-city_20220809_091203-78678.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $14,000.  Which is a fair price for that Mini I think. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 07:18:01 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 13, 2022, 03:55:37 PM
One Mini auction completes, and another one is started within the hour.  Here's the latest.

The 13 inch wheels and sports pack flares seem to attract a lot of attention – most of it seems typically to be from non-Mini people - so I think this will do well.  It's a Sprite and not a real Cooper.  But that shouldn't matter to most bidders.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-rover-mini-1-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1993_rover_mini-1.3_20220805_185131-49542.jpg?fit=940%2C626)

Sold for $23,750.  Pretty good for a late non-Cooper.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 21, 2022, 07:24:46 AM
That was a decent deal for that car.

There have been several more Minis show up on BaT this week too.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 14, 2022, 12:53:16 PM
And now a Mk I Cooper is on BaT.  I know this car, and I knew the owner too.  Unfortunately he passed about 6 years ago and the subsequent owner is now selling it. This car was a vintage racer before it was recommissioned for road use.  I love everything about it other than the sunroof.

This is now the second Mini appearing on BaT whose owners I knew, but who have since passed away. Both cars were genuine 1960s Coopers. Really does remind me that after surviving this long, these cars will go on and on until the next caretaker takes over.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-morris-mini-cooper-3/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1963_morris_mini-cooper_mini_001-50855.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Reserve not Met at $28,750.   I'm guessing the reserve was $30k perhaps?   Commenters complained about the non-originality of this Mk I, but had it been an more original 998 Cooper it wouldn't have gone that high I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 21, 2022, 07:24:46 AM
That was a decent deal for that car.

There have been several more Minis show up on BaT this week too.....

Yeah, here is one of them.   Early regular production Mk VI Rover Mini Cooper.  It's said to be a JDM model but it is LHD and has no air conditioning.  So, that's a bit different.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-mini-cooper-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1991_rover_mini-cooper-e-xn12a_img-0891-66960.jpg?fit=940%2C627)



Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
And here's another one.  A early Mini 850.  And it looks to be in very nice condition.

All those commenters on BaT complaining they haven't been seeing anything original should be jumping on this one, right?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-deluxe-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1961_morris_mini-minor_2-a7r01961-1-83773.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 26, 2022, 06:44:10 PM
This is on BaT listed as a Mini Van but it's obviously an estate.  Comments are already pointing that out but the owner had to have approved the auction text?   I don't understand some people.   Doesn't have an A-series under the bonnet.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-austin-mini-van/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1971_mini_traveler-estate_1971_mini_traveler-estate_114057fa-86cd-4abc-8790-6fe218b59442-hJw01H-44923-44924-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 27, 2022, 06:12:48 AM
There is a lot to like with this van, a lot of well done stuff in it - Aussie doors are expensive and hard to find....

I'm guessing the fuel cell took the area the spare tire used to sit in.

Can't wait for a driving video, but I have to say listening to the ITB's the whole time you drive can get tiresome - glorious under hard acceleration.....but then just going down the highway? And no air filter?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2022, 04:27:37 PM
Another JDM Mini has popped up on BaT.  Interesting color.  My guess is it will sell for about $15K. But who knows?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1994_rover_mini_0y7a9275-81931.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2022, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 17, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
A Clubman estate is now on BaT in the very 1970s shade of brown.  Looks nice.  1250cc?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-leyland-clubman-estate/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1978_leyland_clubman-estate-classic-british-mini_1978_leyland_clubman-estate-classic-british-mini_0dfcbb30-0d19-458e-98e0-7e4020462e48-atcoyc-76376-55511.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

Sold for $19K.  Some well-deserved love for a Clubman front end. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 27, 2022, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 21, 2022, 07:24:46 AM
That was a decent deal for that car.

There have been several more Minis show up on BaT this week too.....

Yeah, here is one of them.   Early regular production Mk VI Rover Mini Cooper.  It's said to be a JDM model but it is LHD and has no air conditioning.  So, that's a bit different.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-rover-mini-cooper-4/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1991_rover_mini-cooper-e-xn12a_img-0891-66960.jpg?fit=940%2C627)


Sold for $17,751.  I think there was a little bit of premium paid because it's LHD and some buyers don't want to adjust to RHD and a Mini at the same time.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 27, 2022, 05:39:46 PM
I think both of those brought current market money.....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on September 29, 2022, 05:19:48 AM
Quote from: BruceK on September 21, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
And here's another one.  A early Mini 850.  And it looks to be in very nice condition.

All those commenters on BaT complaining they haven't been seeing anything original should be jumping on this one, right?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-minor-deluxe-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1961_morris_mini-minor_2-a7r01961-1-83773.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

This nicely restored and unmodified Mini 850 sold for $30,000.  Wonder if the new owner will keep it long term or sell it on after a year or two like the last owner?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 29, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
Well, a $7K return on a $23K investment in one year is a pretty good deal - but I agree. I wonder what will happen in a year. IIRC, this car came from Mike Malamud's stables.

Now for something interesting - BaT has done $1billion in sales from Jan1 - to Sept 22! Staggering......more than twice as much as the big established auction houses.

No wonder they can be so picky about the cars they list for sale.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on September 29, 2022, 07:34:08 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on September 29, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
...more than twice as much as the big established auction houses.
No wonder they can be so picky about the cars they list for sale.

It is an interesting path they have followed. It would be interesting to see a sales price comparison... is BAT averaging a higher sales for similar cars than the auction houses? I know BAT send out some statistics, but I have never looked closely.
My sister sold a B-GT when it really was "bring a trailer," they would never accept that car now.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on September 29, 2022, 08:09:10 AM
I'm surprised there aren't more copy cat followers - cars and bids is the only one I know of, and while it does some business - it's no where near what BaT does.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 03, 2022, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 26, 2022, 06:44:10 PM
This is on BaT listed as a Mini Van but it's obviously an estate.  Comments are already pointing that out but the owner had to have approved the auction text?   I don't understand some people.   Doesn't have an A-series under the bonnet.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-austin-mini-van/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1971_mini_traveler-estate_1971_mini_traveler-estate_114057fa-86cd-4abc-8790-6fe218b59442-hJw01H-44923-44924-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

This VTEC-powered Mini sold for $29,000.  Even though it was clearly an estate, the listing was never corrected from saying it was a Van.  BaT may be the biggest, but they're still plenty sloppy. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 04, 2022, 07:48:30 AM
Yeah it's one thing to just miss stuff - since they're doing what 700-1000 cars a week now? But when you point it out to them - it's almost like they're not watching the listings anymore.....

I thought this was a great result for that car. Vtecs in the past were mostly in the low $20s, and wagons haven't done all that well, so this one def bucked the trends.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 04, 2022, 03:37:56 PM
A '92 Cooper is now on BaT.  It's LHD for those that prefer it.  But it's for sale in Italy, so the import process will scare the chickens away.   And of course there will be a clueless Californian or two appearing in the comments asking if the Mini can be registered in the Peoples Republic of Government Overreach.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-12/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1992_rover_mini_whatsapp-image-2022-09-12-at-12.59.48-63076.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 04, 2022, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: BruceK on September 27, 2022, 04:27:37 PM
Another JDM Mini has popped up on BaT.  Interesting color.  My guess is it will sell for about $15K. But who knows?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-rover-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1994_rover_mini_0y7a9275-81931.jpg?fit=940%2C627)

My guess was a little off.  It sold for $13,916.  Some questions about gearbox syncros might have hurt it a little.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 04, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
I think mondosuave got a good deal on this SPi..... 77.gif

The black one looks to be in really good shape, a 92 carbed car yet still has a cat? I thought only the FI cars had cats.

I agree that the location should keep the bidding down on this one.

I don't know why people who don't live in California would have anything to say about the Air Resources Board and it's rules? Commenters from all over the country seem to want to belittle them.

Vin decoder says it was built in Longbridge.....I thought left hand drive cars were only built in Belgium? So "proper" Minis would have to include LHD cars!  ;D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 05, 2022, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 04, 2022, 04:55:59 PM


I don't know why people who don't live in California would have anything to say about the Air Resources Board and it's rules? Commenters from all over the country seem to want to belittle them.


I'm happy to criticize the California CARB restrictions, particularly the fact they don't have a rolling 25-year exemption for smog compliance (like other states do), or some other type of semi-reasonable exemption to allow for their residents to own a variety of decades-old collector or classic cars which were not originally sold in that state.  I'm really surprised that the automobile enthusiast community in California has not lobbied for that kind of relief.  And this matter really only comes up on BAT because so many potential buyers in California appear to be clueless as to which cars are excluded from their ownership under the CARB restrictions under which they live.  If the Californians were to quit asking "Can this car be registered in California?"  ad nauseam in the comments there wouldn't be any further mention of the subject.  So I say it's fair game to discuss this, and to express an opinion, especially since it severely restricts the pool of potential buyers for virtually any old car being sold (Minis for example) when the most populous and most automobile-focused state is artificially excluded. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 05, 2022, 03:37:09 PM
Nothing artificial about it, just because you think the rules are arbitrary or unwarranted doesn't mean they are.....if anything given the number of cars and the number of old cars in the state and the general quality of the air, at least in So Cal I think the rules are definitely needed.

LA county has seen significant improvement in the air quality in the last 20 years, and a lot of it is due to the rules they implemented and have been pretty adamant about enforcing them. I remember days in the mid 80's when I would stand at Riverside race track and could not see the mountain that was right there! In fact, one day in Feb when the Santa Anna winds blew all the smog out to sea I was amazed to see it so close, and the fact that I could see Catalina Island like they had moved it almost ashore!

That the California buyers are clueless is more down to their ignorance.

The enthusiast community has been to war with the Air Resouces Board, and the fact that they can have cars made before 1975 without needing any emissions controls is the result, Cal wanted to ban cars much younger than that. Cars after 1975 only have to have whatever they came with originally, which is a problem as most of them have had all the air pumps and such removed, but I don't think that would affect Minis that didn't come with any emissions stuff.

I wonder how people are getting these Vtec Minis registered?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 05, 2022, 05:42:10 PM
Well aren't they banning all sales of gas powered cars by 2035?  I'm sure that electric grid will hold up  ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: gr8kornholio on October 05, 2022, 07:55:56 PM
Guess you didn't see the 4 weeks later release where the govt pleaded with all ev owners to reduce charging times due to the high temps and constant brown outs.  Cause we all know they are going to spend the next 10 years improving it.   :D
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 05, 2022, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: gr8kornholio on October 05, 2022, 07:55:56 PM
Guess you didn't see the 4 weeks later release where the govt pleaded with all ev owners to reduce charging times due to the high temps and constant brown outs.  Cause we all know they are going to spend the next 10 years improving it.   :D

That's where the sarcasm was with my post lol. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 06, 2022, 08:23:26 AM
There's no question we are faced with considerable growing pains, and frankly I'm not sure going all in on electric is really the right thing to do, but something has to be done and I agree with the US being where it should all start, so that others will see our country as a leader again, something good to emulate.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: 94touring on October 06, 2022, 10:16:08 AM
California should let demand dictate the sales of electric cars. Banning one to force the other isn't the way to go when they so clearly won't have an infrastructure for that huge of a leap.  There's so much red tape and government overreach they can't even get high speed rails built, nor can people easily add solar to their homes.  Those are just 2 quick examples and many others which have lead to people and companies leaving that state.  They should start with getting rid of all the almond plantations so people have water.  But, I don't want to get into a why California sucks debate.  Beautiful state run by idiots. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 11, 2022, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: BruceK on October 04, 2022, 03:37:56 PM
A '92 Cooper is now on BaT.  It's LHD for those that prefer it.  But it's for sale in Italy, so the import process will scare the chickens away.   And of course there will be a clueless Californian or two appearing in the comments asking if the Mini can be registered in the Peoples Republic of Government Overreach.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-12/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1992_rover_mini_whatsapp-image-2022-09-12-at-12.59.48-63076.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

Sold for the bargain price of just $9,100 !!  Wow.  Figure maybe $2K to import it to the US and the winning bidder got a really great deal on a low-mileage, rust-free genuine Cooper.

I wonder if the seller dropped the reserve? 

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 11, 2022, 08:02:33 PM
Cheap indeed, but I don't know if you can bring one over for $2K anymore. Still, even at 3 or 4K, it's still a deal.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 12, 2022, 11:57:29 PM
A Mk I Mini 850 is now on BaT.  I guess I might be a purist or snob because I don't really like early cars to have modern looking paint.   But I'm probably missing the point: one of the fun things about a Mini is that each owner gets to put his or her individual stamp on their car, right?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1966_austin_mini_1966_austin_mini_01397385-8e0c-4624-9fbc-07530cd4277f-o4yc6i-17670-37088.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 14, 2022, 08:25:14 PM
The auction is almost over for this one but it's not too often that Portuguese Mokes appear on BaT.

This one is in Greece but the seller is providing free shipping to the US!   May not sell at the crazy prices for English models, but I think it's going to break into the 20s.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-austin-mini-moke-2/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1989_austin_mini-moke_image2-1-64680.jpeg?fit=940%2C626)

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 15, 2022, 04:00:30 PM
The red Moke went RNM at $20,250.   I wonder what the reserve was?  I guess BaT thought it was worth as much as an English Moke.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 16, 2022, 01:42:29 PM
A Mini that can't be registered in California, is for sale in California. I wonder if that's the reason it's being sold?   There's sure to be comments on the Montana registration.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-rover-mini-cooper-1-3i/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1992_rover_mini-cooper-1.3i_1992_rover_mini-cooper-1.3i_b1ed0178-a628-4cc7-bcae-3b5f3cdf67a7-xLz75o-11481-11482-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 16, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
So, even if this car has all the original emissions equipment it came with - undisturbed and functioning - it can't be registered in Ca because it doesn't meet their emissions numbers for that era?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MPlayle on October 16, 2022, 09:08:29 PM
The only emissions equipment later Minis had was the standard breather (with charcoal canister hidden in the fender) and a catalytic converter.  The bigger issue is since they were not sold new in California, there are no emissions numbers in the DMV databases for them to be rated against.

I can't say for certain, but I have heard that since there are no explicit factory numbers to compare against, they get tested to a default standard for a brand new car (ie: judged against 2022/2023 model year ratings).

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 18, 2022, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: MiniDave on October 16, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
So, even if this car has all the original emissions equipment it came with - undisturbed and functioning - it can't be registered in Ca because it doesn't meet their emissions numbers for that era?

There have been success stories about registering Minis in California.
I read of an early 90's Mini that went through the process and was quoted something like $5 to $10k, it got completed and registered but took 6 months to do so.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 18, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
To spend $10K to drive a $15K car takes some serious commitment.   And then you get to jump through that emissions hoop annually with fingers crossed. 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Jimini II on October 19, 2022, 05:14:07 AM
Quote from: BruceK on October 18, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
To spend $10K to drive a $15K car takes some serious commitment.   And then you get to jump through that emissions hoop annually with fingers crossed.
Yes it would not be my idea of fun.
I could understand it more if it was a car of significantly more rarity and value.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 20, 2022, 06:34:06 AM
A somewhat rare 997 Cooper is on BaT.   These weren't produced that long before being replaced by the 998 Cooper.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-9/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/10-3-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C628)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 20, 2022, 07:42:07 AM
That blue/red MkI sold for $23,450....
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 21, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
I just got an email from Hagerty saying they are joining the online auction game.  So, along with Cars and Bids, it's going to be another competitor to BaT.   November is the first month they will host auctions.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on October 28, 2022, 11:35:56 AM
Quote from: BruceK on October 20, 2022, 06:34:06 AM
A somewhat rare 997 Cooper is on BaT.   These weren't produced that long before being replaced by the 998 Cooper.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-mini-cooper-9/

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/10-3-scaled.jpg?fit=940%2C628)

Sold for $32K.  Pretty good price for a 997 Cooper that isn't completely original.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on October 28, 2022, 01:14:59 PM
That is a ton of money for that car.... :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 01, 2022, 10:01:20 AM
A very original, one family owned, English Moke is now on BaT.   It will fetch big bucks for sure.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-austin-mini-moke-10/




(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/1966_austin_mini-moke_moke_558-63816.jpg?fit=940%2C626)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 04, 2022, 01:16:40 PM
You weren't kidding - that Moke sold for *gasp* *shudder* $60K!!!!!!!!!   :-\
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 04, 2022, 05:44:21 PM
Early wagon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-station-wagon/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-station-wagon/)
Wagons don't seem to bring the dollars like other variants...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Willie_B on November 04, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
Holy moke, a new level of silly money.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: BruceK on November 04, 2022, 11:31:40 PM
You can just imagine the conversation back in 1966 the day the Moke was purchased:

"I know we only spent $1200, but if we keep this Moke in the family for the next 60 years or so it'll be worth $60,000."

"Why that's as much as 12 brand new Cadillacs!!"

Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on November 05, 2022, 07:25:04 AM
I was shocked when the first green Moke went over $40K, but this is just ridiculous......it has Clancy thinking his is worth $40K now.... ::)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 05, 2022, 01:22:28 PM
I am sure some of you remember the Moke 'Quicksilver" bought from Don Racine at one of his open house events. I think it was for $250, people were shocked when it later sold for $20K at some point down the line. It was barely a roller...
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: ve9aa on November 14, 2022, 12:51:15 PM
 :undecided:
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on November 14, 2022, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: tmsmini on November 04, 2022, 05:44:21 PMEarly wagon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-station-wagon/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1961-morris-mini-station-wagon/)
Wagons don't seem to bring the dollars like other variants...

This one went for $27500
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: pbraun on December 28, 2022, 09:05:01 AM
I guess that Moke's sale at $60k shows originality beats clean and spiffy. Think if it would have been in top concours condition - how much would it bring then?
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: tmsmini on February 08, 2023, 11:23:38 AM
Next to an ERA, I want one of these:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-cooper/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2023-02-08&fbclid=IwAR2wz4N1I3YsKBKVOcUGnfy5gfKWx5kG_zNq_wslLZYFYbClIJGecS5iCVk (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-morris-mini-cooper/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2023-02-08&fbclid=IwAR2wz4N1I3YsKBKVOcUGnfy5gfKWx5kG_zNq_wslLZYFYbClIJGecS5iCVk)

(https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/1964_morris_mini-cooper_dscn4455-94339.jpg?fit=940%2C627)
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 12, 2024, 12:03:46 PM
I wondered if the market for classic Minis had waned a bit, especially for the later model/Japanese spec cars - but the last two results on BaT seem to suggest they're still really strong.

This one went for $26,500.....1995 with LHD and very clean
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi-5/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mini-mk-vi-5/)

This 1997 RHD red one brought $20,500
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-mini-cooper-1-3/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-mini-cooper-1-3/)

 
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: Brit_in_TX on February 14, 2024, 09:24:39 AM
The prices on BaT seem to be all over the place, whilst those went well.  Others last year seemed to sell for less than I would have thought.
Title: Re: Minis For Sale on BAT
Post by: MiniDave on February 14, 2024, 09:38:40 AM
Yeah, I'm surprised how much both of these brought as late model cars weren't doing nearly as well as MK1s......